2024 Mexico Grand Prix Race - Ferrari WIN - 1-3

[paolo lalli]

Sainz outperformed Charles all week end simple as that.Charles was banging fastest laps to try and close up would not have mattered today sainz was just super quick and drove perfectly.Charles almost binned it so let's not forget that a little bit of Lando pressure almost paid off.Miricle save by Charles.Now for Brazil this will be a challenge the weather will have a lot to do on how ferrari perform the set up must be bang on target from the get go.

[Super M]

I still can’t understand one thing, Sainz was fighting with Charles at Austin sprint & took the position. Nobody said nothing.

At Mexico, when he was fighting with Carlos. Team just says back off & do Lico. At the same time, Carlos reports to the team to ask Charles not to do FL’s.

I am not getting this.

Agreed!

I rolled my eyes when i heard this message from Sainz, *** man, he didn't listen to Charles in austin but yet wanted charles to back off, REALLY!

Something wasn't right........For charles to back off that much ??

Anyway , onto Brazil, hopefully that's a good track for us........

[jgonzalesm6]

I think the penalty is going to stick. The FIA are going to amend the previous 1st penalty with an update....that's what I think.

So the FIA added to the document 2 penalty points to Max's superlicense hence why the FIA amended the 1st document or penalty against Max.

[GoodtimesF1]

I still can’t understand one thing, Sainz was fighting with Charles at Austin sprint & took the position. Nobody said nothing.

At Mexico, when he was fighting with Carlos. Team just says back off & do Lico. At the same time, Carlos reports to the team to ask Charles not to do FL’s.

I am not getting this.

How do you not understand the difference between a normal race and a sprint race. The reason Charles lost out to Lando was because his tires were gone from pushing to hard. Carlos was protecting a team result while Charles was protecting his ego.

Why is it so hard for some of uou to admit that Carlos was the better driver this weekend. It started with the after quali copes wher it was said that Charles had a better setup for the race. During the race you now try to tell us that he had to drive slow to ptotect Carlos?? Come on!

[PURE PASSION]

How do you not understand the difference between a normal race and a sprint race. The reason Charles lost out to Lando was because his tires were gone from pushing to hard. Carlos was protecting a team result while Charles was protecting his ego.

Why is it so hard for some of uou to admit that Carlos was the better driver this weekend. It started with the after quali copes wher it was said that Charles had a better setup for the race. During the race you now try to tell us that he had to drive slow to ptotect Carlos?? Come on!

He was better this weekend and probably almost certain he would have won no matter what Lec could do.
But to say that in this race Sai was look after team result and Lec his ego and thay Austin was irrelevant because it was sprint, well that's for laughs.
In Austin ,at sprint race Sainz fought like crazy Lec even risking a contract and in the 1st laps where supposedly should protect the tires a bit . And I the race he was doing FL after FL in end to catch up with Lec even when he was 6-7 sec in front of Ves. Was there also looking for a team result?? Sainz was always looking after his results 8 out of 10 times. He have fought Lec very hard ,even harder then the opponents. Like his fans and his family has express many times, they dislike Lec and only thing they matter to them is to beat him.
So again to talk about Lec look after his ego is just for laughs. For me personally, I'm very glad thay Sainz is leaving next year. His presence with everything thay comes with it (all the games that where played in Binnoto era) was so toxic .
I don't know what Ham will do.Im waiting curiously to see what will happen. If he comes with a diva attitude and demand to take over the team (as many think) than I will critisis him also.

[Greig]

Carlos : "Check his (Charles) status (push level) and let me know."
Adami : "Our target is status 3 and we see you on status 2. Charles is pushing more."

Carlos:

“In my opinion, we are pushing too hard. There is absolutely no need, for the team.”


Interesting fact is, Carlos didn’t realise that team comes first at Austin Sprint race.

So this shows Charles was not told to back off then?

[jgonzalesm6]

The Lift-and-Coast that Leclerc was told to do was to cool the brakes.

[Greig]

Both drivers had to lift and coast.

[Super M]

How do you not understand the difference between a normal race and a sprint race. The reason Charles lost out to Lando was because his tires were gone from pushing to hard. Carlos was protecting a team result while Charles was protecting his ego.

Why is it so hard for some of uou to admit that Carlos was the better driver this weekend. It started with the after quali copes wher it was said that Charles had a better setup for the race. During the race you now try to tell us that he had to drive slow to ptotect Carlos?? Come on!

And you missed the entire point !

Please read again and then comment.

Nobody said Carlos didn't deserve the victory. But rather the irony in which he asked the team to tell Charles not to push.........When Charles had asked this exact same question in Austin!

Hopefully you'll get it

[GoodtimesF1]

He was better this weekend and probably almost certain he would have won no matter what Lec could do.
But to say that in this race Sai was look after team result and Lec his ego and thay Austin was irrelevant because it was sprint, well that's for laughs.
In Austin ,at sprint race Sainz fought like crazy Lec even risking a contract and in the 1st laps where supposedly should protect the tires a bit . And I the race he was doing FL after FL in end to catch up with Lec even when he was 6-7 sec in front of Ves. Was there also looking for a team result?? Sainz was always looking after his results 8 out of 10 times. He have fought Lec very hard ,even harder then the opponents. Like his fans and his family has express many times, they dislike Lec and only thing they matter to them is to beat him.
So again to talk about Lec look after his ego is just for laughs. For me personally, I'm very glad thay Sainz is leaving next year. His presence with everything thay comes with it (all the games that where played in Binnoto era) was so toxic .
I don't know what Ham will do.Im waiting curiously to see what will happen. If he comes with a diva attitude and demand to take over the team (as many think) than I will critisis him also.

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying here. The sprint race in Austin and the race in Mexico are 2 different things. There was less of a reason to preserve the tires in the sprint race because they only have to complete 19 laps. How do you not understand that doing the fastest lap, lap after lap might not be a good plan when you still have 60 laps to go in the race? I mean... the proof was shown to you when Charles lost his second place to Norris. He was chewing through his tires quicker than Carlos.

You being glad that Sainz is gone next season is just weird to me. Maybe you don't discus F1 outside of this forum, but the only place I hear about there being a toxic presence around Carlos is this forum. Everywhere else and nobody even talks about it. I also really hope we have a very dominant car next season because if we don't, I see alot of trouble for us next season with Charles and Lewis.

[Greig]

You being glad that Sainz is gone next season is just weird to me. Maybe you don't discus F1 outside of this forum, but the only place I hear about there being a toxic presence around Carlos is this forum. Everywhere else and nobody even talks about it. I also really hope we have a very dominant car next season because if we don't, I see alot of trouble for us next season with Charles and Lewis.

Agreed, this forum has some very strange "Ferrari" fans.

[PURE PASSION]

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying here. The sprint race in Austin and the race in Mexico are 2 different things. There was less of a reason to preserve the tires in the sprint race because they only have to complete 19 laps. How do you not understand that doing the fastest lap, lap after lap might not be a good plan when you still have 60 laps to go in the race? I mean... the proof was shown to you when Charles lost his second place to Norris. He was chewing through his tires quicker than Carlos.

You being glad that Sainz is gone next season is just weird to me. Maybe you don't discus F1 outside of this forum, but the only place I hear about there being a toxic presence around Carlos is this forum. Everywhere else and nobody even talks about it. I also really hope we have a very dominant car next season because if we don't, I see alot of trouble for us next season with Charles and Lewis.

Αnd i on the other hand seeing it all over in my life in the internet everywhere. From 10 "ferrari" fans i am in multiple forums , facebook etc the 8 speak like me. And im talking FERRARI fans not Lec fans. Only Sainz fans are talking like you. Now i find also very strange how peaple like you , Greig and some others( again here most of us have different opinion then yours , coinsidence??) are always try to praise Sainz when he will make 1 good race out of 10 , and always his actions. I dont and its his fault for that. I didnt have ANY problem at all when he joined the team and as always i "leave" the driver with his performance / behavior etc to "create my emotions for him . If Sainz was better then Lec and didnt force things with his background (his dad,family, sandater , spanish team members and most of all Binotto) then i wouldnt mind supporting him .

[PURE PASSION]

Agreed, this forum has some very strange "Ferrari" fans.

Yeh , i feel the same seading you and others some times !!!

[GoodtimesF1]

And you missed the entire point !

Please read again and then comment.

Nobody said Carlos didn't deserve the victory. But rather the irony in which he asked the team to tell Charles not to push.........When Charles had asked this exact same question in Austin!

Hopefully you'll get it

No I did not miss the point. You seem to not understand what the difference is between a race that lasts 19 laps and a race that lasts 71 laps. Please explain on what basis you would think Charles would not be attacking Carlos if the roles were reversed in Austin? I am willing to bet that you would be here complaining about Carlos not letting Charles go. You would be saying that Charles would have had a chance to be second of even first if Carlos did less defending.

Agreed, this forum has some very strange "Ferrari" fans.

As a long time lurker on this forum, the amount of putting down one of our drivers in favour of the other was so insane to me that I had to make an account. I'm all for fair criticism but it got to a point where anything Carlos does is seen as some attack on Charles or the team. We should all be happy with the results but some will always find a way to complain about Carlos.

[nani_s23]

How do you not understand the difference between a normal race and a sprint race. The reason Charles lost out to Lando was because his tires were gone from pushing to hard. Carlos was protecting a team result while Charles was protecting his ego.

Why is it so hard for some of uou to admit that Carlos was the better driver this weekend. It started with the after quali copes wher it was said that Charles had a better setup for the race. During the race you now try to tell us that he had to drive slow to ptotect Carlos?? Come on!

Wow…!!

I was discussing about Carlos vs Charles … and you are bringing Charles vs Lando.

It’s not the tyres were gone. Charles lost lot of time behind Liam Lawson & Stroll in S2 .. Lawson was on fresher mediums. Hope you’ve watched the race closely. If you didn’t then don’t discuss.

Regards to your 2nd point, I reckon you didn’t see my post quali comments here.

My question is simple When Sainz can attack leclerc with no limits, why can’t leclerc do the same.?

Where did I say Charles driven slow to protect Sainz . Show me the proof.

I clearly mentioned in the last race, Sainz was very quick at Austin too. Go & watch my comments first.

Few of them, throw their biased comments indirectly. Whenever Charles make a mistake, they’re all in & make some noise. The same people remain quiet when Sainz is aggressive on Charles. But when it’s other way wow Team comes first.

[nani_s23]

Wow…!!

I was discussing about Carlos vs Charles … and you are bringing Charles vs Lando.

It’s not the tyres were gone. Charles lost lot of time behind Liam Lawson & Stroll in S2 .. Lawson was on fresher mediums. Hope you’ve watched the race closely. If you didn’t then don’t discuss.

Regards to your 2nd point, I reckon you didn’t see my post quali comments here.

My question is simple When Sainz can attack leclerc with no limits, why can’t leclerc do the same.?

Where did I say Charles driven slow to protect Sainz . Show me the proof.

I clearly mentioned in the last race, Sainz was very quick at Austin too. Go & watch my comments first.

Few of them, throw their biased comments indirectly. Whenever Charles make a mistake, they’re all in & make some noise. The same people remain quiet when Sainz is aggressive on Charles. But when it’s other way wow Team comes first.

Added to 1st point, tyre temp issue he couldn’t get that back into working window again.

[Greig]

Yeh , i feel the same seading you and others some times !!!

You are upset we won a race and are now 29 points away from a title with 4 races to go, yeah that is not strange.

[nani_s23]

Yeh , i feel the same seading you and others some times !!!

[Greig]

Wow…!!

I was discussing about Carlos vs Charles … and you are bringing Charles vs Lando.

It’s not the tyres were gone. Charles lost lot of time behind Liam Lawson & Stroll in S2 .. Lawson was on fresher mediums. Hope you’ve watched the race closely. If you didn’t then don’t discuss.

Regards to your 2nd point, I reckon you didn’t see my post quali comments here.

My question is simple When Sainz can attack leclerc with no limits, why can’t leclerc do the same.?

Where did I say Charles driven slow to protect Sainz . Show me the proof.

I clearly mentioned in the last race, Sainz was very quick at Austin too. Go & watch my comments first.

Few of them, throw their biased comments indirectly. Whenever Charles make a mistake, they’re all in & make some noise. The same people remain quiet when Sainz is aggressive on Charles. But when it’s other way wow Team comes first.

I will ask again, can you show us when Charles was told he can't attack Sainz? It's important for your point to be taken seriously. Have you just made this up or is there some evidence?

[GoodtimesF1]

Wow…!!

I was discussing about Carlos vs Charles … and you are bringing Charles vs Lando.

It’s not the tyres were gone. Charles lost lot of time behind Liam Lawson & Stroll in S2 .. Lawson was on fresher mediums. Hope you’ve watched the race closely. If you didn’t then don’t discuss.

Regards to your 2nd point, I reckon you didn’t see my post quali comments here.

My question is simple When Sainz can attack leclerc with no limits, why can’t leclerc do the same.?

Where did I say Charles driven slow to protect Sainz . Show me the proof.

I clearly mentioned in the last race, Sainz was very quick at Austin too. Go & watch my comments first.

Few of them, throw their biased comments indirectly. Whenever Charles make a mistake, they’re all in & make some noise. The same people remain quiet when Sainz is aggressive on Charles. But when it’s other way wow Team comes first.

In what reality are we even discussing this? I bring up Charles vs Lando as a point to show you what not preserving your tires can bring you. You ask me if I even watched the race? Have you? On the first stint Charles was doing FL's and all Carlos did was question if that was a smart thing to do. (he was right in the end). At one point in the second stint Charles was closing the gap to Carlos very fast. All the drivers had to deal with traffic and if anything, Lando lost out more to Lawson than Charles.

I already explained why Austin is different to the race in Mexico. You asked why Carlos was allowed to attack Charles in Austin but Charles was asked to LICO in Mexico. Is it really that hard for you to understand the difference between a 19 lap race and one that is 71 laps long where like most teams we were on a one stop? Have you noticed that most teams drive to a delta in the race? They can go much faster most of the time but it is not always the smart thing to do. Carlos is one of the few drivers to understand this concept.

[Greig]

In what reality are we even discussing this? I bring up Charles vs Lando as a point to show you what not preserving your tires can bring you. You ask me if I even watched the race? Have you? On the first stint Charles was doing FL's and all Carlos did was question if that was a smart thing to do. (he was right in the end). At one point in the second stint Charles was closing the gap to Carlos very fast. All the drivers had to deal with traffic and if anything, Lando lost out more to Lawson than Charles.

I already explained why Austin is different to the race in Mexico. You asked why Carlos was allowed to attack Charles in Austin but Charles was asked to LICO in Mexico. Is it really that hard for you to understand the difference between a 19 lap race and one that is 71 laps long where like most teams we were on a one stop? Have you noticed that most teams drive to a delta in the race? They can go much faster most of the time but it is not always the smart thing to do. Carlos if one of the few drivers to understand this concept.

Just to add both drivers had to lift and coast, it was not just Leclerc as some seem to think.

[PURE PASSION]

You are upset we won a race and are now 29 points away from a title with 4 races to go, yeah that is not strange.

did i look upset ?? what did i post yesterday ?? i said that we are too far away for fighting for WDC ,thats why i dodnt care who will end up where, just both of them to be on the podium. And you just wanted to point that Sainz is mathematically still in the fight for WDC!!! Saimz who is 122 points behind leader and 51 points behind Lec .And you are tell me Lec and Sainz have equal chances thats why the team must treat then eqyally ???!!! And im the strange one ???? Well as in the society this days , everybody can say want they want no matter what.
So whats the point ?? For you even if Lec is 10 points for the championship (with lets say 100 points remaining)and Sainz is 99 ,you still gonna say that the team cant favor Lec bacause Sainz is still in the fight. Well im glad you are not in the team !!!

[Greig]

did i look upset ?? what did i post yesterday ?? i said that we are too far away for fighting for WDC ,thats why i dodnt care who will end up where, just both of them to be on the podium. And you just wanted to point that Sainz is mathematically still in the fight for WDC!!! Saimz who is 122 points behind leader and 51 points behind Lec .And you are tell me Lec and Sainz have equal chances thats why the team must treat then eqyally ???!!! And im the strange one ???? Well as in the society this days , everybody can say want they want no matter what.
So whats the point ?? For you even if Lec is 10 points for the championship (with lets say 100 points remaining)and Sainz is 99 ,you still gonna say that the team cant favor Lec bacause Sainz is still in the fight. Well im glad you are not in the team !!!

If we are too far away from WDC with both drivers then why would there be any need to favour a driver?

You want the team to favour Leclerc even though you say too far away from the WDC, so yeah strange point to make.

And where did I say they must be treated equally? I never said that so don't make up things I never said.

[PURE PASSION]

If we are too far away from WDC with both drivers then why would there be any need to favour a driver?

You want the team to favour Leclerc even though you say too far away from the WDC, so yeah strange point to make.

And where did I say they must be treated equally? I never said that so don't make up things I never said.

Are you kidding me??
I said yesterday thay we have no chance on WDC and you only talked about Sainz. Not Lec who for God's shake if we consider about WDC HE has the logical tiny chance .Sainz has NO chance at all. This is the truth the logic. But you just want to play the " mathematical " card just to oppose.
I NEVER ,EVER yesterday say anything about the team favor Lec and you now say I did. And yet you are say that I put words on your mouth ????
Man this is just crazy !!! I

[Greig]

Are you kidding me??
I said yesterday thay we have no chance on WDC and you only talked about Sainz. Not Lec who for God's shake if we consider about WDC HE has the logical tiny chance .Sainz has NO chance at all. This is the truth the logic. But you just want to play the " mathematical " card just to oppose.
I NEVER ,EVER yesterday say anything about the team favor Lec and you now say I did. And yet you are say that I put words on your mouth ????
Man this is just crazy !!! I

And I never said they must be treated equally, crazy yeah I know.

You can say no chance of WDC, we still have a WDC chance though.....

When you said we have no WDC chance you only talked about Leclerc, I was just reminding you Sainz was also with a chance.

[Super M]

No I did not miss the point. You seem to not understand what the difference is between a race that lasts 19 laps and a race that lasts 71 laps. Please explain on what basis you would think Charles would not be attacking Carlos if the roles were reversed in Austin? I am willing to bet that you would be here complaining about Carlos not letting Charles go. You would be saying that Charles would have had a chance to be second of even first if Carlos did less defending.

Not going to bother to reply. you're not getting it.



As a long time lurker on this forum, the amount of putting down one of our drivers in favour of the other was so insane to me that I had to make an account. I'm all for fair criticism but it got to a point where anything Carlos does is seen as some attack on Charles or the team. We should all be happy with the results but some will always find a way to complain about Carlos.

I have to assume you're referring to others on this site. I'm happy for Carlos AND more importantly that the team got a 1st and 3rd spot and that we can compete in these recent GP's.

[PURE PASSION]

And I never said they must be treated equally, crazy yeah I know.

You can say no chance of WDC, we still have a WDC chance though.....

When you said we have no WDC chance you only talked about Leclerc, I was just reminding you Sainz was also with a chance.

So ,to get it straight, by me saying we have no chance in WDC ,I was referring to Lec because he is 60+ points behind Ves.And you had to correct me because you think that Sainz HAS a chance being 120+ points behind ?

[GoodtimesF1]

Just to add both drivers had to lift and coast, it was not just Leclerc as some seem to think.

Oh yeah I understand. Did not came out right. To me it is understandable when both drivers are asked to lift and coast but one seems to be pushing, you would ask your team what is happening. I think that is all Carlos was doing.

I have to assume you're referring to others on this site. I'm happy for Carlos AND more importantly that the team got a 1st and 3rd spot and that we can compete in these recent GP's.

Oh for sure, not aimed at you at all. There seems to be a few here who strongly favour Charles and will find any excuse to put blame on Carlos when Charles finishes behind Carlos. To me, Ferrari is bigger than any driver. We are realistically not fighting for the WDC so to me I don't car who comes in 1st. A win is a win.

I think Carlos is a good driver but i'ts not like I'm a huge fan. I just react strongly when I see somebody being put down in an unfair way.

[Super M]

Oh yeah I understand. Did not came out right. To me it is understandable when both drivers are asked to lift and coast but one seems to be pushing, you would ask your team what is happening. I think that is all Carlos was doing.



Oh for sure, not aimed at you at all. There seems to be a few here who strongly favour Charles and will find any excuse to put blame on Carlos when Charles finishes behind Carlos. To me, Ferrari is bigger than any driver. We are realistically not fighting for the WDC so to me I don't car who comes in 1st. A win is a win.

I think Carlos is a good driver but i'ts not like I'm a huge fan. I just react strongly when I see somebody being put down in an unfair way.

Yeah he's good, and when he puts he's head down, he provides a good race. doesn't happen often, but yeah.

Charles for me has got that killer instinct. very fast and has a good idea on how to race ( 2022 beginning of the season where he and Max fought. that to me was clever from him.

But!! he's had his fair share of making mistakes. some because of trying to hard, and some because the car just wasn't there for him.

Anyways , i hope this weekend we can put up another fight to the Mclaren boys.

[Greig]

So ,to get it straight, by me saying we have no chance in WDC ,I was referring to Lec because he is 60+ points behind Ves.And you had to correct me because you think that Sainz HAS a chance being 120+ points behind ?

You can believe there is no chance if you want, there is still a chance though so you would be wrong.