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    Scuderia Ferrari SF-25 Discussion Thread

    hello guys and gals.

    First and foremost I have to say that I’m VERY proud of our team under the watch and guidance of Fred Vasseur. He’s done and outstanding job in guiding the team to where they are today, the turnaround that they did after the NOT so good Barcelona update was just astonishing. Hats off to the whole team for such hard work and given the 4-5 bad races we had mid season, to come off and be in contention for winning the WCC was just unbelievable.

    I have no doubt in my mind that the whole team under the supervision of Fred will take us to that next step, winning BOTH championships.

    So now that the season is done and dusted and is gonna be a long couple of months until we will get a glimpse at the new single seater, I’m started a tread where we can discuss rumors….etc of the new 2025 Ferrari single seater which will hopefully take to achieving our goals….WCC as that for me is the most important as well as WDC.

    Forza FERRARI!!!

    So the SF-24 has been a decent car. Lets hope that the totally redesigned from the ground up SF-25 contender will be beast that will give us tifosi something to smile about.

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    Is it true that we're going Pull Rod front suspension next year?
    And if so does it have any mechanical or aerodynamic benefit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by samboozik View Post
    Is it true that we're going Pull Rod front suspension next year?
    And if so does it have any mechanical or aerodynamic benefit?
    Those are the rumors, and until we have a concrete answer from Ferrari OR until the car will be unveiled, it is just a rumor.
    We’ve had pull rod front back in 2012 and maybe 2013 if I’m not mistaken.

    They (the people that know more stuff about this than me), say that there shouldn’t be much difference between pull and push other then just AERO, in which case pull rod wins.

    Also pull rod is somewhat harder to make adjustments as I’ve read this in the past, again I’m not a mechanical or aero guy so I’m just speculating here.

    So we’ll see what Ferrari will have for suspension, both front and rear next season.

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    Cardile is gone (thanks for that Spain "upgrade"), and we have Loic Serra the tyre whisperer now

    i think all 3 teams are going to be so evenly matched it's going to be insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    Those are the rumors, and until we have a concrete answer from Ferrari OR until the car will be unveiled, it is just a rumor.
    We’ve had pull rod front back in 2012 and maybe 2013 if I’m not mistaken.

    They (the people that know more stuff about this than me), say that there shouldn’t be much difference between pull and push other then just AERO, in which case pull rod wins.

    Also pull rod is somewhat harder to make adjustments as I’ve read this in the past, again I’m not a mechanical or aero guy so I’m just speculating here.

    So we’ll see what Ferrari will have for suspension, both front and rear next season.
    like i said i think all 3 teams are going to be evenly matched

    but the biggest difference between the Ferrari and the other 2 is the front suspension. if this is what helped Mclaren rocket up the grid, then it could be big enough to give us a huge advantage, if we manage to keep our other strong points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    Cardile is gone (thanks for that Spain "upgrade"), and we have Loic Serra the tyre whisperer now

    i think all 3 teams are going to be so evenly matched it's going to be insane.
    what about 4th team, Merc??? unless you're counting that one out to mount a challenge towards winning races

    if 3 or 4 teams are gonna be so evenly matched, then i guess is gonna be THE driver that's gonna make the difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    what about 4th team, Merc??? unless you're counting that one out to mount a challenge towards winning races

    if 3 or 4 teams are gonna be so evenly matched, then i guess is gonna be THE driver that's gonna make the difference
    It's gonna be like 2012 , Alonso nearly win the WDC in 4th fastest car .

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    Quote Originally Posted by samboozik View Post
    Is it true that we're going Pull Rod front suspension next year?
    And if so does it have any mechanical or aerodynamic benefit?
    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    Those are the rumors, and until we have a concrete answer from Ferrari OR until the car will be unveiled, it is just a rumor.
    We’ve had pull rod front back in 2012 and maybe 2013 if I’m not mistaken.

    They (the people that know more stuff about this than me), say that there shouldn’t be much difference between pull and push other then just AERO, in which case pull rod wins.

    Also pull rod is somewhat harder to make adjustments as I’ve read this in the past, again I’m not a mechanical or aero guy so I’m just speculating here.

    So we’ll see what Ferrari will have for suspension, both front and rear next season.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    like i said i think all 3 teams are going to be evenly matched

    but the biggest difference between the Ferrari and the other 2 is the front suspension. if this is what helped Mclaren rocket up the grid, then it could be big enough to give us a huge advantage, if we manage to keep our other strong points.
    Here's some insight: [Rolando Tillit]

    If you use a pushrod front suspension, it forces you into a higher base rake angle, also raising the center of gravity of the nose. If you use a pull rod, it makes it easier to the lower the front suspension changing the base rake angle and lowers the center of gravity of the nose.

    It's the same deal with the rear suspension, you can raise or lower it depending on whether it's a pull or pushrod. A pushrod rear let's you raise the suspension, which gives you a lower base ride height, the pull rod raises the rear end.

    Combine the two, the pull rod front and the push rod rear allows you to have negative rake, which when combined with the very powerful inboard loaded front wing maximizes downforce for the floor. Then as speed builds the rake and balance changes, which is mitigated with a flexing front wing.




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    Is a one strake on the rear diffuser as beneficial as a 2 strake on the rear diffuser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviamata View Post
    It's gonna be like 2012 , Alonso nearly win the WDC in 4th fastest car .
    nah mate, that was just PURE Alonso talent and skill....anyone else of teh current drivers would NOT have done what Alonso did in 2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    what about 4th team, Merc??? unless you're counting that one out to mount a challenge towards winning races

    if 3 or 4 teams are gonna be so evenly matched, then i guess is gonna be THE driver that's gonna make the difference
    oh yeah, it could easily be all 4 teams evenly matched.

    like it was this year.

    in which case the most consistent driver makes the difference...

    and if you look at it, the driver with the most points since the summer break is wearing red.

    and he did it with often the fourth fastest car.

    yet he'll get no credit outside of this forum.


    here's the proof
    https://x.com/F1GuyDan/status/1863591450660815062
    those aren't the final numbers though
    i think Leclerc has most points since Miami too, atleast he did as of Qatar, and again, he did a large percentage of that with the 4th fastest car

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    oh yeah, it could easily be all 4 teams evenly matched.

    like it was this year.

    in which case the most consistent driver makes the difference...

    and if you look at it, the driver with the most points since the summer break is wearing red.

    and he did it with often the fourth fastest car.

    yet he'll get no credit outside of this forum.


    here's the proof
    https://x.com/F1GuyDan/status/1863591450660815062
    those aren't the final numbers though
    i think Leclerc has most points since Miami too, atleast he did as of Qatar, and again, he did a large percentage of that with the 4th fastest car
    I’m not sure I’d go as far as saying that we’ve had the 4th fastest car this year, or at least after the summer break. Maybe after the Barcelona upgrade, YES we were probably 4th fastest.

    But after we’ve kind of figured out our floor situation and got rid of the bouncing, I think that we were probably 2nd or 3rd fastest. With Mclaren being 1st with their flippy, floppy wings that gave them an advantage, and then we were probably 2nd, 3rd or 4th sometimes given our performance from track to track after the summer break.

    But surely we have NOT been the 4th fastest team all throughout the second half of the season.
    So the SF-24 has been a decent car. Lets hope that the totally redesigned from the ground up SF-25 contender will be beast that will give us tifosi something to smile about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    nah mate, that was just PURE Alonso talent and skill....anyone else of teh current drivers would NOT have done what Alonso did in 2012
    2010 & 2012 defined Alonso as one of the legend. 2013 could have been good for Ferrari, until there was tyre change in mid season which redbull pushed for & from there we all know who got the advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    I’m not sure I’d go as far as saying that we’ve had the 4th fastest car this year, or at least after the summer break. Maybe after the Barcelona upgrade, YES we were probably 4th fastest.

    But after we’ve kind of figured out our floor situation and got rid of the bouncing, I think that we were probably 2nd or 3rd fastest. With Mclaren being 1st with their flippy, floppy wings that gave them an advantage, and then we were probably 2nd, 3rd or 4th sometimes given our performance from track to track after the summer break.

    But surely we have NOT been the 4th fastest team all throughout the second half of the season.
    sure, i'm exaggerating slightly, but Leclerc sure spent a good portion of the time since Miami with the fourth fastest car, more so than any other driver, ... and he still ended that span with the most points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    2010 & 2012 defined Alonso as one of the legend. 2013 could have been good for Ferrari, until there was tyre change in mid season which redbull pushed for & from there we all know who got the advantage.
    a similar tyre compound change, this time pushed by Merc, happened in 2018

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    Be interesting to see the development path for cars next season, with 2026 on the horizon we need to make a good start otherwise we should be shifting focus to the season after next.

    I’m not really up on the whole suspension configs but I thought I read somewhere that we ran different configs in theory and this one gave us the most room for improvement. Might just be talking out my rear end or dreamt it though

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrese86 View Post
    Be interesting to see the development path for cars next season, with 2026 on the horizon we need to make a good start otherwise we should be shifting focus to the season after next.

    I’m not really up on the whole suspension configs but I thought I read somewhere that we ran different configs in theory and this one gave us the most room for improvement. Might just be talking out my rear end or dreamt it though
    i'm sure Ferrari as most teams will work in parallel next year. so they;ll set 2 teams kind of, one working on keeping developing the '25 car (if we're in with a chance at winning '25 championships) and another that's gonna be fully concentrating on '26 regulations

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    Having two top drivers @ Ferrari is as important as car development. You can't have one without the other; and be on top. Ferrari is looking good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    i'm sure Ferrari as most teams will work in parallel next year. so they;ll set 2 teams kind of, one working on keeping developing the '25 car (if we're in with a chance at winning '25 championships) and another that's gonna be fully concentrating on '26 regulations
    That's the plan ;)
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    Driver wise Ferrari looks all set; ready to win. Two not just one WDC capable !

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    Cool

    The drivers' championship went to the team that had the asymmetrical braking trick and the constructors' championship went to the flexible spoilers, both with systems to modify the height after qualifying. Ferrari just a decent car. We lack, in addition to a good car, the trick that can be banned in the middle of the season. And pay the fee to the FIA ​​I think...
    ::Richred:: signed in red!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    i'm sure Ferrari as most teams will work in parallel next year. so they;ll set 2 teams kind of, one working on keeping developing the '25 car (if we're in with a chance at winning '25 championships) and another that's gonna be fully concentrating on '26 regulations
    As Fred already said there will be teams who just give up on 2025 quickly to focus on 26, no point wasting your budget on 2025 upgrades if your not winning.
    Forza Ferrari

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    As Fred already said there will be teams who just give up on 2025 quickly to focus on 26, no point wasting your budget on 2025 upgrades if your not winning.
    you make a fair point about blowing budget money on 2025 upgrades; so prolly teams like Williams, RB, stake f1 (aka sauber)..etc, etc....you know, bottom of the barrel teams will prolly start working on the '26 car early on, even before the summer break...

    hopefully Ferrari will have a quick car out of the box and challenge for championships next year....otherwise we'll prolly join the "bottom of the barrel teams" early on in working hard on the 2026 car....but i'm hoping for the former rather then the later

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    the fix mid season for the bad upgrade really has me encouraged.

    it means they have some talented people working for Ferrari, and i'm guessing one of them wasn't Cardile.

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    every time we have big changes in F1, one team have huge advantage in the start... and after 2-3-4 seasons, when we finally get more teams in fight for win, they once again change everything...
    I hope that we will enjoy next season and that this time Ferrari will be the team to beat on the start of 2026...
    Fred has shown that he is capable of successfully leading this team, we will have best driver line up... I think we are ready to attack both titles next year

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    Which type of suspesnion system i.e. pull rod type suspension or push rod type suspension, will aid the car to have a stable ride height.

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    Why is 2025 being so overlooked by everyone and just thinking 2026 ? Is it fear of Signor Lewis getting his 8th WDC ? All of 2025 getting prepped for 2026 changes ! Will WDC WCC 2025 count esp. if Sr GOAT wins WDC ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    the fix mid season for the bad upgrade really has me encouraged.

    it means they have some talented people working for Ferrari, and i'm guessing one of them wasn't Cardile.
    yeah, you're right about the talented people working for Ferrari.....BUT, why wouldn't they have gotten it right THE FIRST TIME???? and had to go through the teething problems trying to FIX IT???

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    yeah, you're right about the talented people working for Ferrari.....BUT, why wouldn't they have gotten it right THE FIRST TIME???? and had to go through the teething problems trying to FIX IT???
    Cardile was the chief and the mastermind for the Barcelona update. He's gone and the rest fix his problem .So in that way I agree with Cavallino that as it looks the current technical staff is capable of deliver a solid car.
    From the little I read here and there I see us being quite confident for next year. I say this because I see Lec speaking quite comfortably about fighting with Ham for 2025 championship and in a way that if they are the only ones fighting (us dominate and be clearly ahead??) he thinks that Vasseur don't apply team orders and chose one of them but let's them fight.
    And again I see a big frustration on Sainz for leaving the team and not just because it's Ferrari and going to Williams but he said several times that he thinks that now that Ferrari are going to fight for the championship he is leaving.
    And Vasseur said that on paper (simulation, wind tunnel etc) we are very good for 2025 but it depends what the others will do.
    And for this ,on the other hand, I read somewhere that McLaren's Zak Brown said that they are going quite extreme for next year ,that this year they where a bit conservative in overall approach but for 2025 they will take a lot of risks in design and in general and that they will have the philosophy to try to win all races !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    yeah, you're right about the talented people working for Ferrari.....BUT, why wouldn't they have gotten it right THE FIRST TIME???? and had to go through the teething problems trying to FIX IT???
    yeah, i think that was the remnants of the old guard still peaking it's way through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PURE PASSION View Post
    Cardile was the chief and the mastermind for the Barcelona update. He's gone and the rest fix his problem .So in that way I agree with Cavallino that as it looks the current technical staff is capable of deliver a solid car.
    From the little I read here and there I see us being quite confident for next year. I say this because I see Lec speaking quite comfortably about fighting with Ham for 2025 championship and in a way that if they are the only ones fighting (us dominate and be clearly ahead??) he thinks that Vasseur don't apply team orders and chose one of them but let's them fight.
    And again I see a big frustration on Sainz for leaving the team and not just because it's Ferrari and going to Williams but he said several times that he thinks that now that Ferrari are going to fight for the championship he is leaving.
    And Vasseur said that on paper (simulation, wind tunnel etc) we are very good for 2025 but it depends what the others will do.
    And for this ,on the other hand, I read somewhere that McLaren's Zak Brown said that they are going quite extreme for next year ,that this year they where a bit conservative in overall approach but for 2025 they will take a lot of risks in design and in general and that they will have the philosophy to try to win all races !!!!
    well they can't make their whole car flex, because we already tried that.

    my opinion is that Mclaren is going to fall to fourth best. no longer do they have the advantage of all that wind tunnel time

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