Scuderia Ferrari SF-25 Discussion Thread

[Brembo]

Hard time to be a Ferrari fan ( not that before was better )
Wherever you look / read you find an article pointing several reasons why we are SO bad. And nowhere a solid explanation/ solution. Just wishful thoughts. Oo boy ....!!!!

Sr Lewis choice was Ferrari regardless ! GOAT to the greatest F1 team!

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari: Summary of @Auto_Racer_it's information via Twitch live.

- From Australia, it's clear that Ferrari has a structural problem with the car. It's more of a mechanical issue than an aerodynamic one. It's related to the rear suspension. When this car is within its operating window, it goes very fast. The SF-25's handling during Free Practice 2 in Melbourne was absolutely perfect; it was on track.

- A rear suspension that will be extensively modified by Loïc Serra, and it's difficult to get it to Barcelona. It's more likely that it will arrive at Silverstone. The new rear suspension will go to the wind tunnel next week.

- @matteobobbi says that internally, the engineers continue to talk about aerodynamic problems with the car, problems with the floor pan, etc., without really openly discussing the suspension not being suitable for the car. They insist that the operating window needs to be widened from an aerodynamic point of view. Bobbi confirms that internally, they say the car is significantly lacking in aerodynamic downforce, and because of this, it becomes unstable at every corner. Although it's certain that a new rear suspension will be available by Silverstone.

- We know it's absurd to say this, but from an aerodynamic point of view, the SF-25 is a very good car, but it clearly has a mechanical problem. What's quite scary is that internally, we get the impression that they're not very clear about the aerodynamics versus the mechanics.

- It's quite rare for a new suspension to be added during the season, and even more so in the era of budget caps. Here, we're talking about a fundamental problem with the car, therefore a mechanical problem.

- As for the car's potential, it's there, but impossible to use. Why? Because of a mechanical deficiency in the car. The official version of an aerodynamic problem doesn't make much sense, because then there's no point in sending a new rear suspension to the wind tunnel during the season.

- What's also quite unacceptable from Ferrari's side is that we never hear a technical director take responsibility and come and speak to the media to explain the car's situation. Out of respect for the Tifosi, the technical director must appear before the media and provide an update on the situation.

- It's important to understand that Ferrari's step backward from 2024 to 2025 isn't even possible by simply stopping development. This shows that there's a serious structural problem. So they shouldn't take the fans for "ignorants."

- Ferrari will bring a few new parts to Imola, but nothing major. And a few new parts for Barcelona as well. But the problems are much deeper, and a truly significant package with real corrections to the car's structural limitations would be difficult to make available before Silverstone.

- It's also worth remembering that Ferrari experienced a period between June 2024 and October 2024 with a technical gap where there was no real technical director. And we think Ferrari is paying a little for that today. A technical leader would have been needed, knowing that at that time, it's crucial for the project of a new car.

[Dune]

https://autoracer.it/it/mclaren-segr...9-freni-rivali

They have to have a look at the breakes.

[FerrariF60]

So rear suspension only now in the wind tunnel with an update in Silverstone, this is way too late. They really wasted the 2025 season.

looks like it

[Cavallino]

if that's the case then yes

[Cavallino]

but i even said spain was too late and it sounds like they're atleast pulling some of that forward to Imola

[Aziz]

So rear suspension only now in the wind tunnel with an update in Silverstone, this is way too late. They really wasted the 2025 season.

I just hope they will learn something for the next season, but I doubt it

[FerrariF60]

so i guess it's safe to say that season's OVER for us this year??? as no way we'd win any championships??

even if the new big update with new rear suspension that supposedly (rumors of course) is gonna make its debut no earlier than silverstone now, be somewhat miracle that is gonna make us the fastest of the field, by then Mclaren will have 300 or more points on us.

But it will give us at least the satisfaction that we'll have a fast car and win races, IF the update works.

Too bad our car started off being a DUD; i had so much faith in our team and new car that was supposedly 95% changed from last year...

i would have loved to see a 3, maybe even a 4 way battle for race wins...Ferrari, mclaren, red bull and Merc...but so far it looks like it's only Merc with teh odd win from Max....:(

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At least we have WEC to ease our pain !!
1-2-3 in Qualy in SPA!!!!!

[FerrariF60]

At least we have WEC to ease our pain !!
1-2-3 in Qualy in SPA!!!!!

yeah man, WE ROCK in WEC.....everscince we came back in this series of racing in 2023 we've been doing an amazing job....to bet we are doing so mediocre in F1.....:(

[Dune]

yeah man, WE ROCK in WEC.....everscince we came back in this series of racing in 2023 we've been doing an amazing job....to bet we are doing so mediocre in F1.....:(

It’s all about leadership, Coletta is crushing it in WEC. He seems to be the real deal, and someone we need to consider in F1.

[FerrariF60]

It’s all about leadership, Coletta is crushing it in WEC. He seems to be the real deal, and someone we need to consider in F1.

one day we'll get there in F1 as well....baby steps man, baby steps....LOL

[Dune]

one day we'll get there in F1 as well....baby steps man, baby steps....LOL

One thing is for sure, without leadership all you can do is hope for the next update to fix everything. And the next update and so on. But there are structural problems which need to get resolved. That’s what happens when you don’t have elite talent in key areas. How on earth can someone let it happen that they develop a F1 car without a TD. Different departments aren’t aligned to each other, and yet again they lost so much time. Basically at least half of a year of development. Insane.

Coletta could be the one to lead.

[PURE PASSION]

So many problems ,so many troubles for years . Its beyond comprehension . We dont know what really happens beginds the doors in Maranello. A team (our mechanics) starts a season good with a solid base fully competitive for then to lose completely their way and dont kmow how to evolve the car . Other time a "new" team start with a bad base from others that have failed, they're doing a fantastic job trying to fix the problems so you "ok they are good , next year when they will deliver " their" car we will be at the top ". And next comes and they are now where !!! Its like we are cursed not to succeed. All the times something has to happen to leave as behind !!!!!

[Dune]

So many problems ,so many troubles for years . Its beyond comprehension . We dont know what really happens beginds the doors in Maranello. A team (our mechanics) starts a season good with a solid base fully competitive for then to lose completely their way and dont kmow how to evolve the car . Other time a "new" team start with a bad base from others that have failed, they're doing a fantastic job trying to fix the problems so you "ok they are good , next year when they will deliver " their" car we will be at the top ". And next comes and they are now where !!! Its like we are cursed not to succeed. All the times something has to happen to leave as behind !!!!!

https://x.com/brakeboosted/status/19...sfp9l5bhDKm2ug

Great example for the problems you are describing. Not running vertical kicks because they can’t control bouncing screams just coping mechanism. Instead of tackling problems which are fundamental to success in the ground effect era, they try to work around it until it’s too late. And yet again, in a year where RB is struggling, they have problems after problems. You can’t be delusional and run a team where Vasseur is your interim TD. I would love to have a job where I earn so much money while wasting the amazing potential of your drivers.

[Cavallino]

the thing about the Mclaren brakes though.

let's say you have a brake drum that's really good at cooling. you'd struggle in qualifying.

or you can get heat from the brakes to warm the tyres, but then you can overheat.

somehow they're able to do both, when in theory, you shouldn't be able to under parc ferme.

[Cavallino]

https://x.com/brakeboosted/status/19...sfp9l5bhDKm2ug

Great example for the problems you are describing. Not running vertical kicks because they can’t control bouncing screams just coping mechanism. Instead of tackling problems which are fundamental to success in the ground effect era, they try to work around it until it’s too late. And yet again, in a year where RB is struggling, they have problems after problems. You can’t be delusional and run a team where Vasseur is your interim TD. I would love to have a job where I earn so much money while wasting the amazing potential of your drivers.

pure passion came no where near describing the problems mentioned in the tweet. If posts like that were made on the forum it would be a much better place to visit. I actually made the exact post basically a couple pages ago as justification for abandoning the previous concept. But when I provide such incredible analysis I just get called WalMart Newey.

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This is an article from F1aT

��| Ferrari, Vasseur: the question that everyone would like to ask him but no one dares:

— Ferrari continues to struggle to deliver on its promises in 2025, with the SF-25 underwhelming despite constant references to its “unexpressed potential.” Yet after four months, there’s little visible proof of this hidden performance. The article raises a blunt yet unanswered question: is this supposed extra performance real or just a simulation mirage?

— Ferrari boss Frederic Vasseur has repeatedly maintained the SF-25 holds more pace than seen on track, citing data that suggest tenths of a second remain untapped. But the car’s passive behavior in races raises doubts about these claims. The core issue is whether this performance deficit is due to technical limitations, driving, engineering execution, or flawed data correlation.

— The piece posits three scenarios:
1. The potential is real, but Ferrari doesn’t know how to unlock it – a damning reflection on its personnel.
2. The potential doesn’t exist, meaning the simulation tools and models are wrong.
3. The team is stuck in a loop of misinterpreted data and indecisive direction.

— Recent examples like Mercedes’ failed “zero-pod” design prove that even elite engineering groups can be misled by inaccurate correlation. Ferrari may now be in similar territory, chasing numbers that don’t translate to reality.

— The article argues the solution is simple: ask Vasseur direct questions. For instance, how much blocked performance does Ferrari see? Why is it not visible on track? Which area of the car is the key to unlocking it? And most importantly, is this performance just virtual, or will it ever appear in a race?

#scuderiaferrari ����

VIA: [funoanalisitecnica

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Cavallino remember my post #239?
You criticized me them.
F1aT say EXACTLY the same thing. Are they wrong too ???

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��| Ferrari to debut new front wing upgrade at Spanish GP:

— Ferrari will introduce a fully redesigned front wing at the Spanish Grand Prix in Barcelona as part of a critical aerodynamic overhaul for the SF-25.

— The new component features a stiffer structure to comply with upcoming FIA flex restrictions, aiming to maintain consistent downforce and reduce drag without relying on aeroelasticity.

— Alongside the front wing, a revised rear wing is also in development, though its debut remains unconfirmed. Ferrari hopes the updates will resolve balance issues and unlock the car’s elusive performance.

#scuderiaferrari #charlesleclerc #lewishamilton ����

VIA: [funoanalisitecnica]

[Kyss4k]

https://x.com/brakeboosted/status/19...sfp9l5bhDKm2ug

Great example for the problems you are describing. Not running vertical kicks because they can’t control bouncing screams just coping mechanism. Instead of tackling problems which are fundamental to success in the ground effect era, they try to work around it until it’s too late. And yet again, in a year where RB is struggling, they have problems after problems. You can’t be delusional and run a team where Vasseur is your interim TD. I would love to have a job where I earn so much money while wasting the amazing potential of your drivers.

What are those "vertical kicks" they are talking about? I couldn't find anything about that.

[PURE PASSION]

What are those "vertical kicks" they are talking about? I couldn't find anything about that.

Just a speculation. It might mean the vertical outwash on the floor edge ?? . Other team run more extreme versions .???

[Dune]

Just a speculation. It might mean the vertical outwash on the floor edge ?? . Other team run more extreme versions .???

https://x.com/AeroTechVH/status/1870068370734735406

You can generate big downforce peaks with these kicks, but it’s difficult to control with different ride heights as it generates bouncing. Ferrari still seems to have problems with this. Unacceptable.

[jgonzalesm6]

the thing about the Mclaren brakes though.

let's say you have a brake drum that's really good at cooling. you'd struggle in qualifying.

or you can get heat from the brakes to warm the tyres, but then you can overheat.

somehow they're able to do both, when in theory, you shouldn't be able to under parc ferme.

It's legal......once again.

RedBull "complaining" about it is only for the FIA to look into it thereby "splilling" the technology to other teams amongst themselves(RedBull) so they can copy it.

This new tech called phased materials is quite interesting.

[Cavallino]

It's legal......once again.

RedBull "complaining" about it is only for the FIA to look into it thereby "splilling" the technology to other teams amongst themselves(RedBull) so they can copy it.

This new tech called phased materials is quite interesting.

when did i say it wasn't legal? i said in theory you shouldn't be able to.

we already are hearing of all teams bringing new wings to comply with an upcoming regulation, which according to you, shouldn't have been necessary.

if we start talking about phase changing materials, this is going to be a very difficult thread for some simpletons around here to follow.

[Greig]

https://x.com/AeroTechVH/status/1870068370734735406

You can generate big downforce peaks with these kicks, but it’s difficult to control with different ride heights as it generates bouncing. Ferrari still seems to have problems with this. Unacceptable.

Ah twitter engineers are to be believed

[Cavallino]

This is an article from F1aT
]
Cavallino remember my post #239?
You criticized me them.
F1aT say EXACTLY the same thing. Are they wrong too ???

what are you saying again?

That Ferrari is somehow incompetent because McLaren produced phase changing brake ducts and are ahead of everyone while we're fighting it out with Merc and Redbull for the scraps?

got it

[Cavallino]

Ah twitter engineers are to be believed

i guess it beats listening to WalMart Newey.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ah twitter engineers are to be believed

I take it you have 10+ engineering experience in race-car and aerospace in research and development?

[Greig]

I take it you have 10+ engineering experience in race-car and aerospace in research and development?

I am not the one making such claims....try pay attention.

[PURE PASSION]

what are you saying again?

That Ferrari is somehow incompetent because McLaren produced phase changing brake ducts and are ahead of everyone while we're fighting it out with Merc and Redbull for the scraps?

got it

1st the "AGAIN" said it to yourself .
2nd i just pointed to you that my thinking where written exactly by F1aT . You always critisize me. So they must be wrong too .