2025 F1 news/rumours

[Greig]

Being optimistic about what again? When will they be able to run as low as needed? Next race? Next year? We are circulating back to the same things over and over again. Is „The Next“ a new Ferrari slogan I am not aware? Where is the urgency of this team?

You know when the upgrade is planned for.

[jgonzalesm6]

Being optimistic about what again? When will they be able to run as low as needed? Next race? Next year? We are circulating back to the same things over and over again. Is „The Next“ a new Ferrari slogan I am not aware? Where is the urgency of this team?

Urgency? Are you new to this "modus operandi" of this team? Didn't Ferrari's [cough] [cough] "innovation" of their brake ducts give you any indication of their forward thinking of getting heat into the rims/tires. Again, they're behind in that department. This type of mentality has been going on for years. The SF-25's front pull-rod suspension still needs tweaking when compared to Mclaren's and RedBulls front pull-rod suspension.

I doubt this TD018 changes the way things are on the grid. Completely embarrassing for MercedesAMGF1 that their customer teams is literally kicking their ***!!!

We've got a rear suspension upgrade planned for Austria but most likely in Silverstone. This is going to completely change the balance of the car and once again, Ferrari is going to play catch-up throughout the season trying to find the balance of the car while Mclaren and RedBull will be more focused on the 2026 car if they haven't already done so. IF this rear suspension upgrade from the team proves to make the SF-25 worse, I'm not going to comment anymore for the 2025 season.....it's a waste of my time trying to be optimistic.

I've gotten numb to this team. I'm not going to get worked up anymore. There's 5 points separating P2 and P4(Ferrari) in the WCC standings after 8 races in the season and the OPTIMISM of the tifosi is getting to P2 in the WCC standings....woohoo....great!! Mclaren is going to sail into the distance with a WCC P1 title and possibly either Norris or Piastri a WDC title....unless Max has a say.

[Dune]

You know when the upgrade is planned for.

I do know, it’s too late unfortunately. Always working around problems, until they don’t have a choice to tackle them. Just not good enough unfortunately.

[Dune]

Urgency? Are you new to this "modus operandi" of this team? Didn't Ferrari's [cough] [cough] "innovation" of their brake ducts give you any indication of their forward thinking of getting heat into the rims/tires. Again, they're behind in that department. This type of mentality has been going on for years. The SF-25's front pull-rod suspension still needs tweaking when compared to Mclaren's and RedBulls front pull-rod suspension.

I doubt this TD018 changes the way things are on the grid. Completely embarrassing for MercedesAMGF1 that their customer teams is literally kicking their ***!!!

We've got a rear suspension upgrade planned for Austria but most likely in Silverstone. This is going to completely change the balance of the car and once again, Ferrari is going to play catch-up throughout the season trying to find the balance of the car while Mclaren and RedBull will be more focused on the 2026 car if they haven't already done so. IF this rear suspension upgrade from the team proves to make the SF-25 worse, I'm not going to comment anymore for the 2025 season.....it's a waste of my time trying to be optimistic.

I've gotten numb to this team. I'm not going to get worked up anymore. There's 5 points separating P2 and P4(Ferrari) in the WCC standings after 8 races in the season and the OPTIMISM of the tifosi is getting to P2 in the WCC standings....woohoo....great!! Mclaren is going to sail into the distance with a WCC P1 title and possibly either Norris or Piastri a WDC title....unless Max has a say.

They will be somehow competitive from time to time, everyone at Ferrari will be satisfied that they made progress. And they will start to talk about 2026, next year will be the year. We all know the plot at this point.

[Greig]

I do know, it’s too late unfortunately. Always working around problems, until they don’t have a choice to tackle them. Just not good enough unfortunately.

You as a fan are not good enough, but you still keep going.

[Dune]

You as a fan are not good enough, but you still keep going.

You can be sure that every Tifosi who is demanding the most of Ferrari, and has passion for this team is good enough. There shouldn’t be a problem to demanding success.

[Cavallino]

You can be sure that every Tifosi who is demanding the most of Ferrari, and has passion for this team is good enough. There shouldn’t be a problem to demanding success.

can I demand for RedBull to actually build two race cars?

[paolo lalli]

It's over bar the shouting an upset maybe here and there but I do not see any derailing of the maclaren.Piastri for WDC.

[wappad]

Urgency? Are you new to this "modus operandi" of this team? Didn't Ferrari's [cough] [cough] "innovation" of their brake ducts give you any indication of their forward thinking of getting heat into the rims/tires. Again, they're behind in that department. This type of mentality has been going on for years. The SF-25's front pull-rod suspension still needs tweaking when compared to Mclaren's and RedBulls front pull-rod suspension.

I doubt this TD018 changes the way things are on the grid. Completely embarrassing for MercedesAMGF1 that their customer teams is literally kicking their ***!!!

We've got a rear suspension upgrade planned for Austria but most likely in Silverstone. This is going to completely change the balance of the car and once again, Ferrari is going to play catch-up throughout the season trying to find the balance of the car while Mclaren and RedBull will be more focused on the 2026 car if they haven't already done so. IF this rear suspension upgrade from the team proves to make the SF-25 worse, I'm not going to comment anymore for the 2025 season.....it's a waste of my time trying to be optimistic.

I've gotten numb to this team. I'm not going to get worked up anymore. There's 5 points separating P2 and P4(Ferrari) in the WCC standings after 8 races in the season and the OPTIMISM of the tifosi is getting to P2 in the WCC standings....woohoo....great!! Mclaren is going to sail into the distance with a WCC P1 title and possibly either Norris or Piastri a WDC title....unless Max has a say.

Why are you 'coughing' all the time?

[jgonzalesm6]

can I demand for RedBull to actually build two race cars?

Actually.....no. The car is built around 1 driver.

RedBull does have 2 teams.....at this point, I honestly don't know why since anyone coming from the 2nd team will have a hard time adapting to Max's car.

[Cavallino]

Actually.....no. The car is built around 1 driver.

RedBull does have 2 teams.....at this point, I honestly don't know why since anyone coming from the 2nd team will have a hard time adapting to Max's car.

that's what I thought, it's an inferior race car.

[jgonzalesm6]

that's what I thought, it's an inferior race car.

Inferior?......that's your opinion and I 'll just leave it at that.

Very very few drivers like a front loaded car and an over steering rear end. I can name only one other with that type of setup.

[Cavallino]

Inferior?......that's your opinion and I 'll just leave it at that.

Very very few drivers like a front loaded car and an over steering rear end. I can name only one other with that type of setup.

there's a lot to be said about that

some of the quickest drivers perfer oversteery setups, Michael, Charles ( interestingly not Lewis, that's another story, i don't know why people thought he was going to gel with Charles' style )

but it's not that simple either. this generation of cars have inherent understeer. so completely catering to the driver may not produce the best and most driveable race car. this is my point. you have to go for a balance.

[Lesky]

[Cavallino]

so I was reading that Helmut Marko said Yuki is missing 1 to 2 tenths from the Imola upgrade.

I know I said earlier that suspension upgrade needs to be atleast 3 tenths. I get that number from 5mm * .05 seconds per mm of ride height.

but if red bull is getting 2 tenths from floors, we have to be able to get half a second from suspension.

now, that number Marko is giving could be wrong, it is Marko afterall.

but another way to look at it in Canada, Ferrari is bringing a new floor. It could be 3 tenths from suspension 2 tenths from floor, for half a second overall. I'd be okay with that too.

I know Hamilton said we don't have half a second coming ( which is more so what he would need to be competitive )

Leclerc isn't so far off

[FerrariF60]

so I was reading that Helmut Marko said Yuki is missing 1 to 2 tenths from the Imola upgrade.

I know I said earlier that suspension upgrade needs to be atleast 3 tenths. I get that number from 5mm * .05 seconds per mm of ride height.

but if red bull is getting 2 tenths from floors, we have to be able to get half a second from suspension.

now, that number Marko is giving could be wrong, it is Marko afterall.

but another way to look at it in Canada, Ferrari is bringing a new floor. It could be 3 tenths from suspension 2 tenths from floor, for half a second overall. I'd be okay with that too.

I know Hamilton said we don't have half a second coming ( which is more so what he would need to be competitive )

Leclerc isn't so far off

fingers crossed we bring some good updates to Canada....would love to see a competitive Ferrari there, maybe even a podium to cheer on the drivers, as i'll be going there.

[Dune]

so I was reading that Helmut Marko said Yuki is missing 1 to 2 tenths from the Imola upgrade.

I know I said earlier that suspension upgrade needs to be atleast 3 tenths. I get that number from 5mm * .05 seconds per mm of ride height.

but if red bull is getting 2 tenths from floors, we have to be able to get half a second from suspension.

now, that number Marko is giving could be wrong, it is Marko afterall.

but another way to look at it in Canada, Ferrari is bringing a new floor. It could be 3 tenths from suspension 2 tenths from floor, for half a second overall. I'd be okay with that too.

I know Hamilton said we don't have half a second coming ( which is more so what he would need to be competitive )

Leclerc isn't so far off

Make or break point, afterwards it will be full focus on 2026.

[aroutis]

so I was reading that Helmut Marko said Yuki is missing 1 to 2 tenths from the Imola upgrade.

I know I said earlier that suspension upgrade needs to be atleast 3 tenths. I get that number from 5mm * .05 seconds per mm of ride height.

but if red bull is getting 2 tenths from floors, we have to be able to get half a second from suspension.

now, that number Marko is giving could be wrong, it is Marko afterall.

but another way to look at it in Canada, Ferrari is bringing a new floor. It could be 3 tenths from suspension 2 tenths from floor, for half a second overall. I'd be okay with that too.

I know Hamilton said we don't have half a second coming ( which is more so what he would need to be competitive )

Leclerc isn't so far off

If the floor, somehow brings .2, or .3 seconds, I 'd be more than happy. And if it improves the car stability somehow, even better.

Then we'd have to wait for the suspension as you say. In the meantime, our drivers, will have to make do, just like they do already.
But let's face it, psychologically they need to see improvements.

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari: In an interview with the Stampa, Frédéric Vasseur tried to explain the difficulties of SF-25. The new parts are coming and it is not yet the time to think of 2026. Even if we are close to switching the resources to the new project.

- "In terms of rhythm, we are more or less to the point.
The characteristic of this car is that it suffers much more in qualifying than in the race. More pronounced than last year. In Jeddah, we were far from the pole, then we were the fastest in the race. In Imola, on Saturday, we were nowhere and the next day, we were back.
With four teams on the grid, if I want to win, I cannot afford to go in third or fourth line ".

- "A single word to describe this sensitive car? Because sometimes we manage to extract the maximum, but not always. I don't know if it's a difficult car,
I know that we have trouble putting it in the right window so that the tires work at best. The qualifying sessions of Imola and Miami, where we were the fastest with worn tires, were emblematic. I have never seen this in my life ".

- "The struggle for the title is now more difficult,
Given the advance and continuity of McLaren. We have to stay focused on ourselves, as twelve months ago, even if I never thought of the championship. I would like the team to adopt the same approach. The reaction was good, Monte-Carlo and Spain prove it. Now we need confirmation. "I can say that we have new pieces to come, it is not yet time to think only of 2026 although we are all close to having to do it".

Ι think thats what subscribes the SF-25 . Its a difficult car. It has potential for sure but its very difficult to find that sweat spot to express it . So the engineers always try to find compromises . Thw best compromise till now has been foe better race pace abd that lead to struggle to pass Q2 sometimes and qualify out of P5 witch make the race more difficult.
So the big question and anticipation is not just how much performance gains we will have from the upgrades, but if/how they will transform the car to a more balanced / all around one. A car that dont goes out of the operating window in slightest chonge of the conditions and even the change of fuel weight .
IF they managed to bring this stability with the upgrades then i think the porformance wont be an issue.

[JPZ]

Vasseur on Leclerc:

“He is in love with Ferrari… he does not look around in search of a better seat but he is part of the project, of this family.”