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Every team has front flexing wings. It's the degree of flexion that's in question. Some flex very little while others flex alot.Originally Posted by FerrariF60
[bolded area] There's a youtube video of Mclaren's front wing flexing...fyi. It's from 2024. I have posted videos in the other website where it shows Mclarens front wing flexing as well.
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they showed a slow mo during day 2 of testing, i was on f1tv but i imagine it was on sky as well
Salut Gilles
Yeah every front wing flexes though. Can you explain how much more flex it has compared to others?
Or you just seen such video and decided it's too much flex?
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George Kabardis
According to RedBull, we also have tricky wings
"Red Bull technical director launches attack on Ferrari and McLaren: “They are using the mini-DRS”
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i thought the MINI-DRS was banned last season PERIOD, NO??? and only the front wing is allowed to flex, EXTRA until spain when it will get banned...
if that's the case, WHY are we seeing rear wings do the FLEX DANCE??
and to put it in perspective, ALL front wiings flex a bit, you can't make them 100% rigid....is just the excessive flexing that will NOT be allowed from spain
George Kabardis
As always, the teams try to bypass the rules and walk in the grey areas.
At least we are not sitting and watch others do it .
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well hopefully ours flex just as much as theirs do
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Why Spain? Why not now?
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that's exactly my question. but i heard someone post on here that from race 9 ( which is spain) all flexy, jelly wings will be banned as that is what FIA set in place.
NO idea as to WHY not being banned from the beginning of this year starting with Melbourne.
Avanti Fer, Avanti !
Is he worried already after testing?
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The FIA have imposed static tests on flexing front wings and flexing rear wings under THEIR load parameters for 2025....fyi.
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Salut Gilles
FIA said to give teams time to change to the new rules, they wanted it to be at Imola but some teams used their political power to make it for Spain.
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Not all wings.
Rear wings will be scrutinized at Australia for 2025.
Front wings will be scrutinized at Spain for 2025. So at this point, flexing front wings is "open-season" with regards to the FIA parameters that will happen from Spain onward.
It's not how start but how you finish.
Salut Gilles
There remains rules how much flex is allowed, they are making the test harder in Spain, so not really open-season.
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As I said with regards to front wing flexing parameters, it's open season UNTIL THE FIA IMPOSE STRICKER RULES FOR FRONT WINGS FLEXING BY SURPASSING THE UP-AND-COMING RULES.
It's not how start but how you finish.
Salut Gilles
No the rules from 2024 remain in place and there is still tests on the flexing wings. From Spain those tests get harder to pass.
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I realize that so up until Spain 2025, use the maximum allowed of flex. Get it.
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you asked me and i told you, if you look i never said anything about the amount of flex.
we're going into a very competitive season this year, and i already have some low quality posts from Kyss4k that i've seen. I'm going to need you this season, to be there with the high quality posts.
We can do this.
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i dont know the validity of it but i can understand the logic behind:
https://f1ingenerale.com/f1/news-f1/...ici-risultati/
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so the long runs said we were 3 tenths per lap away from McLaren? That's the worst case scenario.
We have a more revolutionary concept so we in theory have a lot more room to add performance.
So, let's say a tenth of that was engine modes.
A tenth of it was the weather.
If we can find another tenth from figuring out how to optimize the new suspension, then Ferrari is on par with Mclaren.
If we can get the gap to about a tenth in Australia, i'll take that.
Even though it isn't ideal to lose a race that on paper is one of your stronger circuits historically.
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testing the full range of setups during testing?
nah, that's impossible, Kyss4k and the rest are right, the car is a dog. Just like the were right after the Canadian GP last season. Write it off, throw in the towel, Ferrari don't know what they're doing.
George Kabardis
The SF-25 was able to achieve good times without pushing too much while the tire degradation seems better than that of the SF-24. All this leads us to the conclusion that the performances are there and, as with other teams, they were masked by the conditions! In terms of balance, the data collected on the track and processed this week with several simulator sessions should allow for better adjustment. We could say that it would almost be an "anomaly" if the tests had, from the start, shown perfection in the behavior of the SF-25 and an ease in determining its settings. Finding the right settings for a single-seater revolutionized in its dynamic concept, despite the aerodynamic conceptual continuity with its predecessor, is not an easy exercise. It could be said that it would almost be an "anomaly" if the tests had, from the start, shown perfection in the behavior of the SF-25 and an ease in determining its settings. It is necessary to refute the media flow according to which the SF-25 would have shown, compared to the MCL39, limitations intrinsically linked to the design choices. It would be technically incorrect to define the SF-25 as limited by its very concept. The balance problems were clearly and transparently revealed by Charles. The balance problems are attributable to the need to find, over time, the right setting, and not to limitations in the basic concept of the project. In summary, Melbourne next week, not only because of the characteristics of the Albert Park track and the different weather conditions, could logically silence the criticism of the skeptics
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George Kabardis
Ferrari: important work in the simulator with the data from Bahrain. A week full of events. More info.
- The SF-25 showed a base with potential but which still needs to be adjusted. In Maranello, we talk about settings "to be calibrated".
- The engineers are dedicated to the analysis of the data produced during the three days in Bahrain. The program carried out in Bahrain did not at any time have the aim of seeking pure performance, with the exception of small targeted flashes. The tendency not to play cards on the table in terms of pure performance is confirmed by the data and a work program focused on knowing the car in terms of the behavior of the new mechanical platform, and on the way in which it reacts to changes in settings and tire management. The car has lived up to expectations, with a more powerful front axle, even if it still needs to be optimized due to a pull-rod suspension that requires more knowledge at the mechanical level. This aspect also affected the braking behavior, which changes more or less indirectly.
- However, Ferrari came out of Bahrain with some questions, and it will be necessary to see the car further on the track to draw more definitive conclusions. Problems that could be described as "young" and that the team prefers to approach with caution for now. The analyses of the aerodynamic data do not lack correlation, however, and according to information from @Auto_Racer_it, nothing abnormal was found with the work carried out in the wind tunnel during the winter.
- Hamilton and Leclerc presented two sides of the same coin. The SF-25 "is not slow", but still needs to be put on the right track, this is the first verdict that came out of Sakhir. The rear that does not follow the front is a problem that, for now, in Maranello, they are only tackling from the mechanical aspect. The SF-25 was born after undergoing major work on the axles, including the shortening of the gearbox. A non-trivial job aimed at widening the configuration and moving the weight forward. It is obvious that such a radical change could only upset the balance and the references that the engineers had obtained the previous year.
- Leclerc and Hamilton are currently in Maranello for three days of simulator work as part of a program aimed at taking stock of the situation before Australia. They will have a busy week, because in addition to the work at the factory, there is also work 'off track'.
- The SF-25 will be presented in a fortnight on a circuit quite different from that of Bahrain, less restrictive for the rear with the changes made to the 2022 Melbourne layout, which on the one hand can meet the needs of the car for this first experience of the season. The goal will be to get the rear into the window without weakening the front, on a circuit that will also offer technical indications in terms of tires and possible graining of the front. The new generation rear wing, with its more pronounced spoon, is at the center of a macro-configuration that will often be used on circuits with medium load.
(autoracer.it/it/ferrari-sf2…)
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Leclerc's steering wheel vs Hamilton's steering wheel (front and back).
https://x.com/simsgazette/status/189...271328/photo/1
https://x.com/simsgazette/status/189...476676/photo/1
It's not how start but how you finish.
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A different steering wheel is a first for Lewis after all his years with his Merc . I can only hope he gets it right!
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Naturally, if you take a few steps backwards you invariably create for yourself more room for improvement.
Because McLaren turned up theirs?
The weather was the same for everyone.
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🔴 Ferrari: Technical Director Loïc Serra also spoke about the Bahrain tests and the SF-25's performance. He also commented on the passion within the team.
- "Despite the unusually difficult weather conditions we encountered in Bahrain, the tests were very useful for us, and we completed the entire planned program, with the car running reliably without any major issues."
- "The SF-25's results are in line with expectations, and the car responds well to setup changes. We were pleased to see a good correlation between the data obtained at the Sakhir circuit and what we saw in the simulator. This truly provides an essential basis for focusing on optimizing the car's performance, race after race."
- "Bahrain was particularly cold, and this weekend in Melbourne, we can expect much warmer weather at the end of the Australian summer, which will affect the car's handling, particularly regarding the tires. By the end of the weekend, we'll have a clearer, but not yet definitive, picture of the hierarchy between the teams. We'll focus on ourselves and strive to start the season well."
- "Ferrari? Impressed is the right word! The passion for Ferrari among its fans and employees is admirable. This shared fervor is a true source of inspiration for all of us and one of the strongest driving forces I've ever experienced. Right now, the atmosphere within the team is very positive, and everyone believes we can achieve our goals."
George Kabardis
Ferrari: Melbourne to assess the SF-25's potential. The FIA tests were completed before February 18th (no visits to Maranello in recent days). There's some interesting information about the front suspension, with a more extreme solution being evaluated and then discarded. Details from @Auto_Racer_it.
- The data confirms that the SF-25 has increased aerodynamic downforce, which is always the goal.
- The SF-25 is ready for its debut without hiding its cards. There will be no surprises in the aerodynamic configuration, even if a possible rainy Sunday isn't something the teams are looking forward to. As for the Melbourne weekend, there are no concerns in Maranello about the measures the FIA will implement in Melbourne to address rear wing flex. This is the first step in a technical directive to which further visual checks will be added to understand who's at stake.
- Ferrari had conducted its own analysis of the rear wing, especially since it's a completely new specification, never before seen on previous Maranello cars. The SF-25 is safe from any suspected irregularities, having already undergone the usual "legality check" a week before the official launch, making any assumption of additional checks by the Federation unnecessary.
- At Ferrari, work between Bahrain and Australia focused on preparing the setup for Melbourne, with simulator work that saw Leclerc and Hamilton take turns.
- It goes without saying that in Maranello, the team will analyze the first official outing to see how the SF-25 compares to its rivals. The data showed that Ferrari didn't play all its cards right in Bahrain by playing with weight, but it's true that the SF-25 was still imperfect in terms of its mechanical setup. The pull-rod front suspension is certainly an additional variable compared to last year, which still requires some knowledge in terms of mileage. The less extreme anti-dive, especially compared to McLaren, was a conscious choice by the team, which did not want to take the risks of an overly rigid and extreme mechanical platform. In Maranello, a suspension and steering lever design similar to that found on Bob Marshall's McLaren was considered. However, the tests conducted led to a rejection in favor of a solution that offered more knowledge in the compromise between aerodynamics and mechanics.
(autoracer.it/it/ferrari-ret…)
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Let the aerodynamics do it's job with the engine HP being pushed to the max on the strait aways and coming out of the turns.
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