2025 Bahrain Grand Prix - Race

[Cavallino]

So the order from first 4 races:

Mercs took Ferrari P2 position & Ferrari took Mercs P4 in 2025 so far.

huh

[Cavallino]

what's particularly alarming is that people aren't understanding how the SC effected the race strategy.

One of the main goals of race strategy is to minimize the time spent on the slower compounds.

And the same people that I often see bashing Ferrari strategy, are the same ones that do not seem to understand these fundamentals today.

I'm flabbergasted really.

[Brembo]

Sr Lewis should be ready by now car wise. Charles need his help, Ferrari need points ASAP !

[Boxerevo]

Can't agree.

There was no better result for him than he got today. And he is helping with the points already.

[Tony]

Imagine Ferrari would have that McLaren rocketship…

Ferrari would be instantly disqualified and everyone in the team would be branded a cheater... Ferrari lost political clout, now they just have to get it back. We need someone like Cesare Fiorio in this team...

[Cavallino]

Ferrari would be instantly disqualified and everyone in the team would be branded a cheater... Ferrari lost political clout, now they just have to get it back. We need someone like Cesare Fiorio in this team...

this, we've already seen what happens when Ferrari makes a floor that flexes.

flexi-wings on an orange car? fine.

a flexi-floor on a red car?

cheat.

we've been Rubenized.

[GoodtimesF1]

So the order from first 4 races:

1. McLaren
2. Mercs
3. RB
4. Ferrari

Where McLaren is clearly ahead with .3-4ths margin & the rest 2/3/4 fight for podium given at different tracks.
Norris once again proved that he’s not the best or a champion driver. Russell got the car & he’s performing consistently.

Mercs took Ferrari P2 position & Ferrari took Mercs P4 in 2025 so far.

Ofcourse the order based on standings but I think we are well ahead of Red Bull and I don't think we are far of from Mercedes. I think RB would be struggling to be the fifth team if it was not for max.

[tifosi1993]

this, we've already seen what happens when Ferrari makes a floor that flexes.

flexi-wings on an orange car? fine.

a flexi-floor on a red car?

cheat.

we've been Rubenized.

Everything flexes, Mr. Expert. Pre TD39, Ferrari was gaining lap times with a clever trick, and they weren't the only one doing it. Pre TD39, the F1-75 was poropoising on the straight only but was stable in corners, post TD39, the car was porpoising both on the straight and in corners.

Go read about it, rather than posting fake and wrong info's here.

[tifosi1993]

So the order from first 4 races:

1. McLaren
2. Mercs
3. RB
4. Ferrari

Where McLaren is clearly ahead with .3-4ths margin & the rest 2/3/4 fight for podium given at different tracks.
Norris once again proved that he’s not the best or a champion driver. Russell got the car & he’s performing consistently.

Mercs took Ferrari P2 position & Ferrari took Mercs P4 in 2025 so far.

This is my pecking order as well.

Our goal should be winning a race or two this year. But we need luck for that.

[mizf1]

what's particularly alarming is that people aren't understanding how the SC effected the race strategy.

One of the main goals of race strategy is to minimize the time spent on the slower compounds.

And the same people that I often see bashing Ferrari strategy, are the same ones that do not seem to understand these fundamentals today.

I'm flabbergasted really.

The Ferrari strategy prior to the SC was on point. Ferrari had a tyre offset and were the fastest cars at that point. Others were slower and couldn;t pit otherwise they would have to go onto the M or H for the final stint. Ferrari would have gone onto the softs and been the fastest cars again. I think Leclerc could have had second and Ham possibly 3rd or 4th if the SC didn;t get deployed

We had no new mediums left for the SC hence why they put some new hards on.

[Greig]

Yes we were competitive on the second set of mediums, but let’s say if there was no safety car, we would have had to make another stop as we had to use a different compound as per rules. And don’t think we would have used the soft as even Charles mentioned that it would have have not lasted very long as we had more wear on those compared to Merc.

I know, if, ands or buts….but I think that we would have had a hard time finishing p2 or p3 either way

Everyone had to stop again not just us, we were going to finish the race on softs as Fred confirmed we would have been p3 easy without the SC maybe you missed the race or were too focused on McLaren.

[Rishu]

We had no new mediums left for the SC hence why they put some new hards on.

We already did M-M, so 2nd pit stop had to be S or H. Plan was S, which was a good plan but SC ruined it for us

[aroutis]

what's particularly alarming is that people aren't understanding how the SC effected the race strategy.

One of the main goals of race strategy is to minimize the time spent on the slower compounds.

And the same people that I often see bashing Ferrari strategy, are the same ones that do not seem to understand these fundamentals today.

I'm flabbergasted really.

Agreed. The strategy was fine. Cars were very fast at the second stint on medium (especially Charles , but also Lewis) and target was to benefit as much as possible from that, go as long as possible, then switch to soft. NOT use the hard tyre at all if possible.
Alas tho, the SC ruined it , so since we did not have fresh soft and the laps remaining posed the gamble that the benefit we would initially get would be ruined by degradation somewhere towards the end of the race , the only option remaining was switching to the one tyre we did not want and go with it.

Plainly put it was not a screwup, just plain luck.

We should concentrate to working with the upgrade which is very promising and given this race was one of the most difficult for us, next one should produce better results.

[aroutis]

I prefer people who defend aggressively than people who just give up too soon. Hard attacking and hard defending, yes please!!!

I prefer the way Charles defended on Norris. Not too agressive, however textbook.

[aroutis]

Charles finished 23 seconds behind the leader in China, 16 seconds behind in Japan. So overall, the performance stayed the same. Nowhere near the pace of the McLaren and still getting beaten by the Mercedes.

Next race is Saudi, where I expect Red Bull to be competitive, so we may very well be ended up as the 4th fastest team there.

This is a very superficial way to see this. Take under consideration the variables (hint: SC and tyres Ferrari had to use).

[aroutis]

So the order from first 4 races:

1. McLaren
2. Mercs
3. RB
4. Ferrari

Where McLaren is clearly ahead with .3-4ths margin & the rest 2/3/4 fight for podium given at different tracks.
Norris once again proved that he’s not the best or a champion driver. Russell got the car & he’s performing consistently.

Mercs took Ferrari P2 position & Ferrari took Mercs P4 in 2025 so far.

We are faster by RB. Target right now is Merc (they're close).

[aroutis]

i wasn't expecting to beat the Mclarens. The goal was to get to be the second fastest team, and they're almost there.

this whole championship hinges on the flexi wing change at Spain

Again, agreed.

[FerrariF60]

Everyone had to stop again not just us, we were going to finish the race on softs as Fred confirmed we would have been p3 easy without the SC maybe you missed the race or were too focused on McLaren.

i was focused on my idol Max actually....lmao

[Cavallino]

Everything flexes, Mr. Expert. Pre TD39, Ferrari was gaining lap times with a clever trick, and they weren't the only one doing it. Pre TD39, the F1-75 was poropoising on the straight only but was stable in corners, post TD39, the car was porpoising both on the straight and in corners.

Go read about it, rather than posting fake and wrong info's here.

What? A "Clever" trick from a bunch of Italians in Maranello?

Impossible!

[nani_s23]

huh

Hmmm

McL had been even more dominant (by a tiny 0.001%!) than RedBull was last year!

🔵RBR's performance dropped sharply (0.335% gap increase): 3rd quickest in 2025

🟢BIG improvement by Mercedes, who is now 2nd fastest

🔴SF25 has been slower in quali than the race-focused SF24 (Slowest team in 2025)


Waiting for your review

[nani_s23]

We are faster by RB. Target right now is Merc (they're close).

Nope. RB struggled at this track.

[Cavallino]

Nope. RB struggled at this track.

could be, why did they struggle you think?

[FerrariF60]

could be, why did they struggle you think?

i thought you knew all the answers Mr. walmart Newey
you telling us that you don't know why they struggled??

[Cavallino]

i thought you knew all the answers Mr. walmart Newey
you telling us that you don't know why they struggled??

i can't keep giving you guys all the answers, you guys have to start doing your own research.

I already taught you the basics of tyre strategy a few posts ago, which i really shouldn't have to be doing, on a forum of F1 enthusiasts.

[FerrariF60]

i can't keep giving you guys all the answers, you guys have to start doing your own research.

I already taught you the basics of tyre strategy a few posts ago, which i really shouldn't have to be doing, on a forum of F1 enthusiasts.

you taught me the tire strategy??? please, you must have me confused with someone else

[jgonzalesm6]

could be, why did they struggle you think?

Well, they don't have Newey anymore which is obvious.

They struggled at this particular track due to correlation issues from the old WWII wind tunnel to actual on track performance.

Plus all the mess with pit stops i.e. lighting-->when to go or get out of the pits which shows in their pit deltas in sub 4 seconds.

The only positive from the RedBull garage was that Yuki scored points in his 2nd drive in the RB21.

Btw, Max's manager stormed into the RedBull garage after the race was over and walked over to Marko to give him a piece of his mind and stormed out. Not very pleasant.

[Cavallino]

They struggled at this particular track due to correlation issues from the old WWII wind tunnel to actual on track performance.

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yeah, that's what I heard. They didn't "understand the car" and were having issues "finding the balance", and having "correlation issues".

But I didn't quite understand how that could be the case, because you guys here have lead me to believe that's only an excuse these dumb Italians in Maranello use.

I hope you guys could help me out here understanding that.

[jgonzalesm6]

yeah, that's what I heard. They didn't "understand the car" and were having issues "finding the balance", and having "correlation issues".

But I didn't quite understand how that could be the case, because you guys here have lead me to believe that's only an excuse these dumb Italians in Maranello use.

I hope you guys could help me out here understanding that.

You do know they use a 1:6 scale model in the wind tunnel right?

[Cavallino]

You do know they use a 1:6 scale model in the wind tunnel right?

i'm really looking to you guys to help me square that circle here. I don't see how RedBull could have gotten anything wrong. It just doesn't fit with what the experts here have been telling me.

[jgonzalesm6]

i'm really looking to you guys to help me square that circle here. I don't see how RedBull could have gotten anything wrong. It just doesn't fit with what the experts here have been telling me.

Well, what if Horner said it? (If you believe anything he says)