2025 Miami Grand Prix - Practice, Sprint & Qualifying Thread

[Greig]

Of course he does need to. This is a bad look in media. And most importantly, he has the responsibility as the TP that Ferrari regressed massively in 6 months.

No he certainly does not, there is nothing to gain by throwing the team under a bus in the media.

[Dune]

Till now ,there was a " theory" mostly forwarding by Vasseur, that the car has good potential but hidden.
According to our drivers it looks like we have maxed the potential of the car and the result on qualy is 4th- 5th fastest car.
Yes we have seeing glimpse of speed from a couple of races but unfortunately that's it. Only glimpses. The general image is that the car has a lot of flaws and it's slow. Only on the absolute sweat spot combining perfect set up + track conditions we can be almost on par we the frontrunners. Bit this unfortunately looks like just an excuse from the team . We are keep falling behind ,the results keep being bad and Vasseur will bring up a good stint we might had on the previous race or an FP2 3-4 races ago. Unfortunately ( because I truly trusted Vasseur and still don't go to the point of wanting him gone, not at all truly) it's look like cheap excuses and no real understanding of the situation.
Right now the team looks completely lost. All good scenarios for the future looks like just un unsatisfactory dream.
We need results (not like yesterday's sprint from unique circumstances) .We need performance results. A car that whenever it runs it can deliver and the drivers don't have to fight with it bit to fight for poles/ wins.
Everything else is just bedtime stories.

On point. All the talk regarding that this car has potential but they need to unlock it by finding setup solutions is just cheap talk at this point. Turns out that they need fundamental fixes as soon as possible. A very bad look for Vasseur. I have a hard time to believe anything he says at this point.

[Dune]

No he certainly does not, there is nothing to gain by throwing the team under a bus in the media.

Throwing the team under the bus is not the same as asking for accountability. No wonder this team does not compete for championships. It’s a weak mindset.

[Greig]

Throwing the team under the bus is not the same as asking for accountability. No wonder this team does not compete for championships. It’s a weak mindset.

So you think Fred does all his management through the media?

[Dune]

So you think Fred does all his management through the media?

His internal track record is not great, when we see the loss of performance in the last 6 months. Media is an important part to ask for accountability.

https://x.com/marianofroldi/status/1...sfp9l5bhDKm2ug

Very much on point. Tifosi have all the right to ask for accountability.

[Dune]

https://x.com/f1bigdata/status/19189...sfp9l5bhDKm2ug

Numbers don’t lie. This is since 2023, Vasseur is our TP since January 2023.

[Greig]

His internal track record is not great, when we see the loss of performance in the last 6 months. Media is an important part to ask for accountability.

https://x.com/marianofroldi/status/1...sfp9l5bhDKm2ug

Very much on point. Tifosi have all the right to ask for accountability.

So you expect Fred to turn around a team to title winners in 2 seasons? Maybe you need to lower your expectations as there is a lot of work to be done.

Love how you ignore the up-turn in performances last season though.

I remember the Italian media calling for Todt's head in 96.....short term vision never changes.

[Dune]

So you expect Fred to turn around a team to title winners in 2 seasons? Maybe you need to lower your expectations as there is a lot of work to be done.

Love how you ignore the up-turn in performances last season though.

I remember the Italian media calling for Todt's head in 96.....short term vision never changes.

And I love how you seem to ignore the bad performances this season. Vasseur has to step up. He needs a quick turnaround. Todt was on a different planet in comparison. He recruited all the elite talent he needed. Vasseur only got Serra at this point. Too little, and too late for 2025. He has to accelerate immediately.

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-fre...ip-with-sf-25/

I guess I have to lower my expectations. It’s not like we nearly won the WCC last year…

[PURE PASSION]

So you expect Fred to turn around a team to title winners in 2 seasons? Maybe you need to lower your expectations as there is a lot of work to be done.

Love how you ignore the up-turn in performances last season though.

I remember the Italian media calling for Todt's head in 96.....short term vision never changes.

Ιts an odd situation .
1st me personally dont even want to talk about replacing Vasseur . dont think thats its HIS fault and cetrainly there no point replacing him . If a new scenario with a new name (like Toto or Horner ) AND with a whole new team would come up , i would discuss it , just to try pur luck once more not that i would expect immediate results. The point is that i dont think its his fault . He is just the "receiver" of the disappointment from this downfall.He is the head (of the racing team) so as everywhere in the world and on all profession the head of the department take the blame for nor reaching the expectations.
For me the bad "image" and what dissapoints me most is that , last yeat Vasseur was on to the point since day 1. The team (Cardille ) give him the development plan witch was based on Spanish updates . That failed and vasseur reacted , removing cardille , and explain the situation to the world /media //fans, how's the situation (without finding cheap excuses and chewinghis words) and that they need time to figure out what to do and how to try anf turn things around (and still that the car had design flaws that cant solved completly) .And thats what happend . So last years managementfrom him was 100% perfect as a true leader acts.
This year hes acting differently. He came out and declare (on the launch) that we are ready to fight for the championshis. The car is great. And then we failled dramatically and he start acting like a poor manager just trying to find excuses . So the odd thing is why he presents2 different approaches from last year?? Me explaination is that the team has no idea whats going on . No clear picture . No true plan to give him . Only constant failed excuses . everything they think is wrong and solutions to fix it , witch find on the simulator , proved fault on the track . And all this "failure" of the technical team reflects on him !!!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

Lewis was 3rd when the sprint race finished.

Because he passed Max with a damages front wing.

[jgonzalesm6]

You said we got 3rd due to the SC.

Hamilton got 3rd due to Max's front wing damage.

[Dune]

Ιts an odd situation .
1st me personally dont even want to talk about replacing Vasseur . dont think thats its HIS fault and cetrainly there no point replacing him . If a new scenario with a new name (like Toto or Horner ) AND with a whole new team would come up , i would discuss it , just to try pur luck once more not that i would expect immediate results. The point is that i dont think its his fault . He is just the "receiver" of the disappointment from this downfall.He is the head (of the racing team) so as everywhere in the world and on all profession the head of the department take the blame for nor reaching the expectations.
For me the bad "image" and what dissapoints me most is that , last yeat Vasseur was on to the point since day 1. The team (Cardille ) give him the development plan witch was based on Spanish updates . That failed and vasseur reacted , removing cardille , and explain the situation to the world /media //fans, how's the situation (without finding cheap excuses and chewinghis words) and that they need time to figure out what to do and how to try anf turn things around (and still that the car had design flaws that cant solved completly) .And thats what happend . So last years managementfrom him was 100% perfect as a true leader acts.
This year hes acting differently. He came out and declare (on the launch) that we are ready to fight for the championshis. The car is great. And then we failled dramatically and he start acting like a poor manager just trying to find excuses . So the odd thing is why he presents2 different approaches from last year?? Me explaination is that the team has no idea whats going on . No clear picture . No true plan to give him . Only constant failed excuses . everything they think is wrong and solutions to fix it , witch find on the simulator , proved fault on the track . And all this "failure" of the technical team reflects on him !!!!!

Serra arrived too late, therefore there were missing a technical director until his arrival. Vasseur filled the role until October. He had the responsibility to steer all departments during the development phase, and he clearly failed as we can see every weekend. Serra will improve things, but we still need more elite talent. Vasseur has to recruit them as soon as possible.

[PURE PASSION]

Serra arrived too late, therefore there were missing a technical director until his arrival. Vasseur filled the role until October. He had the responsibility to steer all departments during the development phase, and he clearly failed as we can see every weekend. Serra will improve things, but we still need more elite talent. Vasseur has to recruit them as soon as possible.

Cant blame him for that . He is not a real technician. He just filed the empty space. Dont know How Serra's fault is also from the time he took over and what he couls/can change. Thats the thing . I as a fan, i appreciate Vesseur to come out and say " ok we made some mistakes on the design and since the new team (under Serra) took over need tie to unidentify whats wrong and how to fix it. This is understandable. And since he realy did it last year (if thats the case) why isnt he doing it this year ? And instead he exposed himself with excuses thats proved wrong race after race ? So many unknowns and unfortunately to many bad scenarios .

[Greig]

Because he passed Max with a damages front wing.

Max did not finish 3rd as you said though.

[Greig]

And I love how you seem to ignore the bad performances this season. Vasseur has to step up. He needs a quick turnaround. Todt was on a different planet in comparison. He recruited all the elite talent he needed. Vasseur only got Serra at this point. Too little, and too late for 2025. He has to accelerate immediately.

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-fre...ip-with-sf-25/

I guess I have to lower my expectations. It’s not like we nearly won the WCC last year…

But you said this team does not compete for championships? Now they did last year? Your all over the place in your desire to attack the team.

[Dune]

But you said this team does not compete for championships? Now they did last year? Your all over the place in your desire to attack the team.

And according to you, my expectations are too high. But Vasseur clearly stated out that the goal is to improve from P2. We won’t agree, and that’s ok. You are fine that Ferrari is nowhere, I am not. Not all Tifosi have to be the same.

[Greig]

And according to you, my expectations are too high. But Vasseur clearly stated out that the goal is to improve from P2. We won’t agree, and that’s ok. You are fine that Ferrari is nowhere, I am not. Not all Tifosi have to be the same.

We come here with no upgrades why are you shocked our performance is not improved in quali?

[Dune]

We come here with no upgrades why are you shocked our performance is not improved in quali?

Why do we even need upgrades to compete in Qualy? That is the real question that we need to ask ourselves. Why are you ok that they are still bad in Qualy?

[FerrariF60]

Obviously our car is the same as last race, while others have brought various bits to this race, hence our sub par performance which most of us are not happy, but it is what it is

Do anyone know when we’ll have some updates coming? Is it the next race? Or will we have big update package in Spain.

[Greig]

Why do we even need upgrades to compete in Qualy? That is the real question that we need to ask ourselves. Why are you ok that they are still bad in Qualy?

So we dont need upgrades?

[Dune]

So we dont need upgrades?

We should be in place to compete with the base car. We are not because of fundamental weaknesses. Everyone knows that we do need upgrades. But we are in a place that the season until Barcelona is already lost.

[patrese86]

The Barcelona rule change is just 5mm reduction in front wing flex. It’s nothing, it won’t solve a thing our end and it won’t provide a half second swing per lap in performance. Meanwhile McLaren will still race around having zero deg like they have for the last season and a bit.

[ntukza]

Some are even satisfied by finishing 3rd in a sprint because of a favourable SC. No accountability at all, at least the drivers are very vocal. The leadership by Vasseur is laughable at this point.

They made the call only because they were slow on inters. It’s pure luck, not because Hamilton was faster, but because they were so slow that Hamilton pushed for a switch to softs in time. The only bright side of Ferrari are the drivers, the boxing crew, the strategy team who make the most with the current car and the PU department. Everyone else has to question themselves night and day.

The mixed situation favoured us. They were so slow in the wet, or weren’t they and I am missing something big? I am not satisfied that we need mixed conditions to make a jump to P3. Good to see that they made the call right, but the performance is just bad, starting on the backfoot week in week out. You can’t show up to a season in Barcelona. That’s the main problem of Ferrari.

Mate, you said the SC favoured us. The question was, how? You're throwing everything into the mix except answering the question. Just admit that you were mistaken. Do the opposite of Fred and take some responsibility.

[Greig]

The Barcelona rule change is just 5mm reduction in front wing flex. It’s nothing, it won’t solve a thing our end and it won’t provide a half second swing per lap in performance. Meanwhile McLaren will still race around having zero deg like they have for the last season and a bit.

It's not nothing it might well mean some teams find it much harder to have their car in the operating window race after race.

[Dune]

Mate, you said the SC favoured us. The question was, how? You're throwing everything into the mix except answering the question. Just admit that you were mistaken. Do the opposite of Fred and take some responsibility.

I already mentioned the mixed situation instead of the SC, my bad. We were still slow in wet conditions right? Still a good call to switch to soft. I already mentioned that some department are doing a good job, strategy is much better than in the past. The car is still slow in Qualy.

[Cavallino]

Oh common after China … read your posts through where you argued with @Tifosi

oh China, the race where Leclerc practically finished on the podium with half a wing. What terrible pace we had there.

How many times do you want to be wrong?

[Cavallino]

The Barcelona rule change is just 5mm reduction in front wing flex. It’s nothing, it won’t solve a thing our end and it won’t provide a half second swing per lap in performance. Meanwhile McLaren will still race around having zero deg like they have for the last season and a bit.

i dunno. If my wing flexes in such a way where it effectively gives me a low downforce setup on the straights while running higher downforce overrall. I can now turn up to every race with an effectively higher downforce setup, and thereby have better tyre life.

5mm is nothing in F1?

5mm of ground clearance is worth .25 seconds per lap....

[Cavallino]

The Barcelona rule change is just 5mm reduction in front wing flex. It’s nothing, it won’t solve a thing our end and it won’t provide a half second swing per lap in performance. Meanwhile McLaren will still race around having zero deg like they have for the last season and a bit.

I will say this is a good post though. Obviously we don't know for sure.

It's better than Jgonzales and the average 64 IQ poster on here who would say "Since the Mclaren wings were legal in China they are therefore legal for the rest of the year". Which is a failure in basic thought synthesis.

[ntukza]

I already mentioned the mixed situation instead of the SC, my bad. We were still slow in wet conditions right? Still a good call to switch to soft. I already mentioned that some department are doing a good job, strategy is much better than in the past. The car is still slow in Qualy.

Much better. Thank you.

[nani_s23]

oh China, the race where Leclerc practically finished on the podium with half a wing. What terrible pace we had there.

How many times do you want to be wrong?

Yeah at the same race they got DSQ & before race they finished P8 & P10.
At this track, in Quali they’ve qualified behind Williams.