2012 Spanish GP - Qualifying Thread

**scuderiafan** · 12th May 2012, 19:25

Apparently the reason for the pretty harsh penalty, is that McLaren been telling porkys again.

Coming from Ted Kravitz twitter.

**FerrariF60** · 12th May 2012, 19:30

Originally Posted by Cheeseman

Only bad thing is, Fernando will be starting on the dirty side of the grid tomorrow

no problem for Fernando, he was 4th last year again on the dirty side and managed P1 by first turn....

i have faith in our AWESOME driver, so should you!!!

**Red is Best** · 12th May 2012, 19:30

What a bunch of amateurs.
Let's hope Fernando can pass Maldonado at the start and pull a gap right away.

**KurtC** · 12th May 2012, 19:32

Interesting that the rule was created for Hamilton and ironically enough he is the first one to breach it

**Fer12** · 12th May 2012, 19:34

They have created a page commemorating their pole...
Mclaren are killin me today

http://t.co/fP5lVcXA

**hakanabi** · 12th May 2012, 19:35

Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA

Attachment 4800

**scuderiafan** · 12th May 2012, 19:36

Originally Posted by Fer12

They have created a page commemorating their pole...
Mclaren are killin me today

http://t.co/fP5lVcXA

no 150 poles for them. They have ,messed up every race for Lewis so far. I don't even mind him anymore think he has matured a little, and should be a threat, then this happens.

Feel bad for the guy, but seems like McLaren were trying to BS the stewards again.

**DIEK** · 12th May 2012, 19:37

**Ken** · 12th May 2012, 19:38

Originally Posted by KurtC

Interesting that the rule was created for Hamilton and ironically enough he is the first one to breach it

I cant believe it was created especially for Ramilton BUT It has made my that he has been penalized for breaking it.

**SilverSpeed** · 12th May 2012, 19:39

**hakanabi** · 12th May 2012, 19:39

Originally Posted by scuderiafan

no 150 poles for them. They have ,messed up every race for Lewis so far. I don't even mind him anymore think he has matured a little, and should be a threat, then this happens.

Feel bad for the guy, but seems like McLaren were trying to BS the stewards again.

I do feel bad for him is well as it was not his fault.

**hakanabi** · 12th May 2012, 19:42

Originally Posted by Ken

I cant believe it was created especially for Ramilton BUT It has made my that he has been penalized for breaking it.

Now that's a good one, can't stop laughing.

PaulW · 12th May 2012, 19:43

Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA

There's nothing in the rules against it.

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/ru.../8700/fia.html

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/ru.../8686/fia.html

Thanks for clearing that one up.

**mark p** · 12th May 2012, 19:45

Cheats never prospour. 1 constructors title in 20 years is testament to this. Should fine them another 100 million is well. FIA should have tipped what fuel was left on their cars and thrown a lit Marlborough on them. I am loving this

**zeus2** · 12th May 2012, 19:46

To be honest I kinda feel bad for them and for Lewis (he did deserve that pole, less fuel or not. That was a good lap), but the fact that they tried to pass off a mechanic putting the wrong amount of fuel in their car as 'force majeure' just cracks me up. Anyone would have given them a penalty just for insulting their intelligence (yes, even the stewards

).

**Hermann** · 12th May 2012, 19:46

Originally Posted by Ken

I cant believe it was created especially for Ramilton BUT It has made my that he has been penalized for breaking it.

I can totally believe it because this is just Macca style. They just think they can get away with everything, and i bet they thought the same this time when they let Hamilton stay out though they already knew there was not enough fuel in his tank.

Which is probably the real reason for the stewards to DQ them from qualifying.

**REDARMYSOJA** · 12th May 2012, 19:52

Originally Posted by PaulW

Thanks for clearing that one up.

I looked hard to find the rule they broke but couldn't. I'm glad I was wrong.

**Cheeseman** · 12th May 2012, 19:54

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

no problem for Fernando, he was 4th last year again on the dirty side and managed P1 by first turn....

i have faith in our AWESOME driver, so should you!!!

Tomorrow is not last year. Sorry if I don't get carried away like you

**sav_pap** · 12th May 2012, 19:59

Originally Posted by Cheeseman

Tomorrow is not last year. Sorry if I don't get carried away like you

Tomorrow we have rain...

**mark p** · 12th May 2012, 20:00

Perhaps Mclaren are right it was an individual error. My bet is the pit stop guy from the left rear who has been replaced is now doing the fuel.

**shamim179** · 12th May 2012, 20:02

Disastrous result for Hamilton. He sounded humble and pleased to have both Maldonado and Alonso up there with him during the press conference after qualifying. He has certainly matured since his rookie days.

We have made big progress since Bahrain. Our straight line speed, high speed corner, traction, etc. have all improved. The car looks more 'planted' on the track than before. Seems easier to drive. Can still be a bit 'twitchy' but stronger on other fronts resulting in a much better car. Aerodynamically more efficient for sure which has been our weakness for a while so if we have made good progress in that department, it bodes well for the rest of the season and seasons to come. Wilth a raft of updates to come in the next few races, I strongly believe we have a chance at fighting at the front not just on race day but also during qualifying sessions going forward.

When the season started this year the pecking order (race pace) was:
1st: Maclaren
2nd: Red Bull
3rd: Lotus
4th: Sauber
5th: Ferrari

In Bahrain, the order (race pace) and not dependent on the track characteristics or circumstances which could suit one car more than the other:
1st: Red Bull
2nd: Maclaren
3rd: Lotus
4th: Ferrari

For Spain, based on what our qualifying pace is like, this is where I think we stand in terms of race pace:
1st: Lotus
2nd: Ferrari
3rd: Red Bull
4th: Maclaren

Maclaren have gone down the pecking order but the deltas between 1st to 4th are very small. It remains to be seen whether or not we still have that problem of our race pace suffering when our fuel load drops.

What concerns me is Maldonado during the start of the race. I hope that we don't come into contact with him during the start. That would really spoil our chances of scoring heavily. I think it will be a Lotus 1-2 and provided that they don't have problems I can see Alonso with a 3rd place finish. If Alonso can gain a position during the start, there is a possibility of 2nd or even 1st for him. If the track conditions are cooler tomorrow than they were today, then Lotus will have more difficulty achieving a 1-2. In that situation, I can see Alonso with a good position to fight for a win. We will see.

**Speedy_Chris** · 12th May 2012, 20:03

Anybody concerned about starting on the 'dirty' side tomorrow? watch this >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jhPXVQT12U

**Red is Best** · 12th May 2012, 20:07

To me, "We forgot to put enough fuel in the car so that's a case of force majeure" goes right on top with the infamous "Trulli passed us under the yellow flag".
Well done Macca

**FER** · 12th May 2012, 20:07

Originally Posted by mark p

Perhaps Mclaren are right it was an individual error. My bet is the pit stop guy from the left rear who has been replaced is now doing the fuel.

It's always an individual error. Engineer's or Whitmarsh's one doesn't matter. They both are part of the Mclaren team, which is to be suspended.

**sav_pap** · 12th May 2012, 20:10

Originally Posted by Speedy_Chris

Anybody concerned about starting on the 'dirty' side tomorrow? watch this >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jhPXVQT12U

No because of rain...

**scuderiafan** · 12th May 2012, 20:12

Originally Posted by Red is Best

To me, "We forgot to put enough fuel in the car so that's a case of force majeure" goes right on top with the infamous "Trulli passed us under the yellow flag".
Well done Macca

This. Lol. I hope Ferrari race pace is better than Lotus and Williams.