2012 Indian GP: Qualifying Thread

**stefa** · 27th October 2012, 10:39

Originally Posted by Kyss4k

Well... he is right. We lost it thanks to our own poor development. And believing that suddenly in the last 3 races we will develop a rocket is just ingorant. Only way to win it would be Felipe not braking at the start and aiming directly into Vettel. And that will not happen.

But it's not a bad ideal at all... Worth considering it

**mark p** · 27th October 2012, 10:40

Alonso mistake in s1 on final run? He lost 3/10 to Massa there. Is what it is now. Seems hard to beat Vettel on pure pace but Alonso lost huge points with circumstances out of his control so you never know. Title was over in 07 with 2 races left so all they can do is go as fast as they can.

**Elvis** · 27th October 2012, 10:40

Originally Posted by Greig

I don't know why people thought Red Bull will just stay still so we can catch up, they bring as much updates as we do, probably more.

Whatever. But the team should have/have set target of gaining 2 tenth on Redbull and the team failed yet once again. Actually the car lost 1 tenth to Redbull. This is frustrating.

**Rishu** · 27th October 2012, 10:40

Originally Posted by yz2006

starting off on clean side may be an advantage in such a dusty curcuit?

There is no "clean side" on this circuit. Racing line goes through middle

**Ste** · 27th October 2012, 10:40

Originally Posted by Kyss4k

Well... he is right. We lost it thanks to our own poor development. And believing that suddenly in the last 3 races we will develop a rocket is just ingorant. Only way to win it would be Felipe not braking at the start and aiming directly into Vettel. And that will not happen.

What is lost exactly?

There are four races left. You were all saying this after winter testing and look what happened. The attitude people have is absolutely pathetic. Glory supporters who only praise and back the team when they're winning and then slag them off and call for people to be sacked when we're not.

It's ridiculous.

**Sab_g** · 27th October 2012, 10:41

Stop complaining about updates! Stop listening to rumours! New f&r wings, diffuser what do you want from them, there is probably not much more time left in the car. It's disappointing but support the team and hope for the best.

**Tifoso84** · 27th October 2012, 10:41

Red Cows on front row???

Nooo not possible. That's a surprise of the year! Wow, I'm shocked!

**qb_marukochan** · 27th October 2012, 10:41

damn rbr, full attack from alonso and massa. tomorrow will be difficult race, lets enjoy it.

lol , just enjoy it, if u all cannot watch it, stop whinning, can you think if our drivers act like you all guys, they probably out of the car, and watch the race, but they still driving it. so please ... please ...

**bonzo** · 27th October 2012, 10:42

Originally Posted by Kyss4k

Well... he is right. We lost it thanks to our own poor development. And believing that suddenly in the last 3 races we will develop a rocket is just ingorant. Only way to win it would be Felipe not braking at the start and aiming directly into Vettel. And that will not happen.

Felipe will not get anywhere near Vettel to do this!

**fronaldo** · 27th October 2012, 10:42

Originally Posted by stefa

What is there to be enjoyed?! Seeing another year passing by? Good song to go with that would be from Gary Moore - As the years go passing by

enjoy great racing tomorrow..i love F1 and racing..i'm already prepared for this thing to happen..so its not so hurt when this happened..cheers

**Ste** · 27th October 2012, 10:42

Originally Posted by Aruba

Like anything could have happened the last 3 races like you said it might happened and didn't.

Would you have said Seb's alternator would fail in Valencia and Monza? Would you have predicted losing a huge lead by being taken out twice? No.

What's to say Seb won't crash out or be taken out or simply retire in the next two races while we finish on the podium?

You all give up so easily.

**luicchi** · 27th October 2012, 10:43

well...In race we do always better. The problem is that we have both Mclarens ahead and webber.If you ask me if i still believe??? of course i believe....but less than a few weeks ago.I refuse to say bad words to our scuderia, to our drivers.We need at this moment to Believe. About the qualy , just look that in s3 redbull always unbeat...21.1 sec.

**Kyss4k** · 27th October 2012, 10:43

Originally Posted by Ste

I reckon you should all bugger off and support someone else. I've never seen such a lack of support in all my life.

ANYTHING can happen tomorrow.

We are tired of promises. And from Alonso's and Massa's words they are as well, so should they leave as you are telling us? We are Ferrari fans so we are upset when we are strugling but (I don't know if some of you have such a short memory or what) we are getting so much false hope from the team that it is really frustrating. Remember Stefano saying that 2011 was the last disapointment? Yea, right. And those constant updates which are not comming? Starting every season by catching up others by copying theirs solutions... We are frustrated because we are a fans. If we were not, we would not care...

**blaney1977** · 27th October 2012, 10:43

Originally Posted by Ste

What is lost exactly?

There are four races left. You were all saying this after winter testing and look what happened. The attitude people have is absolutely pathetic. Glory supporters who only praise and back the team when they're winning and then slag them off and call for people to be sacked when we're not.
You also need to realistic as well though and the bottom line is for a long while now the car out the box and in season development has been at very least not great
It's ridiculous.

**FerrariFanBoii** · 27th October 2012, 10:44

Originally Posted by fronaldo

enjoy great racing tomorrow..i love F1 and racing..i'm already prepared for this thing to happen..so its not so hurt when this happened..cheers

Great racing?! What's to enjoy seeing one car never lose 1st place, Vettel will control from start to finish

**qb_marukochan** · 27th October 2012, 10:44

its called glory hunter not fans lol

**Sab_g** · 27th October 2012, 10:45

Originally Posted by Ste

I reckon you should all bugger off and support someone else. I've never seen such a lack of support in all my life.

ANYTHING can happen tomorrow.

+1

**zike** · 27th October 2012, 10:46

big updates coming next GP, Fernando will get a M A N to drive

**blaney1977** · 27th October 2012, 10:47

Originally Posted by Sab_g

+1

Hoping rather than expecting, all I wanted was a fight from ferrari not this

**Rob** · 27th October 2012, 10:48

Originally Posted by qb_marukochan

its called glory hunter not fans lol

spot on. Fair weather sailors.

**F2008** · 27th October 2012, 10:48

A good performance by Alonso and Massa today.

I agree that anything can still happen for the championship, nevertheless it seems much more likely that Red Bull will take this one. It doesn't worry me, because Alonso is already my champion.

**Ste** · 27th October 2012, 10:48

Originally Posted by Kyss4k

We are tired of promises. And from Alonso's and Massa's words they are as well, so should they leave as you are telling us? We are Ferrari fans so we are upset when we are strugling but (I don't know if some of you have such a short memory or what) we are getting so much false hope from the team that it is really frustrating. Remember Stefano saying that 2011 was the last disapointment? Yea, right. And those constant updates which are not comming? Starting every season by catching up others by copying theirs solutions... We are frustrated because we are a fans. If we were not, we would not care...

Do you think they're not all working 24-7 at the factory trying to fix things and improve our car? Or do you think they're all sat back drinking shots of espresso?

I don't know where you think Stefano has made promises. I've not heard him say "I promise that we will bring half a second to our car". He simply has sad what they are trying to do. What they want to do. Their aims and goals. What more can he do? Our wind tunnel has screwed us over and we are resolving it. Again, what more can we do? We can't suddenly build a state of the art tunnel in between two races can we?

Nobody has made promises to anyone, that's in your imagination.

I am so, so glad that Ferrari don't give up as easily as you lot. If they did, we'd be back in the midfield fighting with Toro Rosso like we were after winter testing.

**Rob** · 27th October 2012, 10:48

Originally Posted by zike

big updates coming next GP, Fernando will get a M A N to drive

what does that mean?

**Kyss4k** · 27th October 2012, 10:49

Originally Posted by Ste

What is lost exactly?

There are four races left. You were all saying this after winter testing and look what happened. The attitude people have is absolutely pathetic. Glory supporters who only praise and back the team when they're winning and then slag them off and call for people to be sacked when we're not.

It's ridiculous.

Now RB's are starting every race SSAFELY from the first row, with a pace that at least one of them will disapear in few laps. There is nothing that could go wrong for them. And even one or two DNF's would mean nothing, when Vettel will win the ones he finishes.

I would not be so upsed and pessimistic if I would see a chance, but we are just not able to develop the car at least on the level of Bulls, so what do you want to achieve with that?

**varun** · 27th October 2012, 10:50

Originally Posted by alonsonum1

First thing I lol at is this site for a bit of positive energy and I read that?!! Come on - BELIEVE!! Why write our chances off now ?

Still positive??? No need of being bcoz the 2012 WDC will be Vettel (i hate to say this

) and alonso cannot do anything but just see vettel steal his titles in 2012 and 2010.
Even is vettel gets a DNF ...it does not improve the situation as we will go to abu dhabi and again be p5 or below..and aim of winning??

There cant be alternator and engine failures in each race!!

WDC 2012

**KurtC** · 27th October 2012, 10:50

reading some comments, everybody would be dissapointed, and saying some attitude here is ridiculous, well what is ridiculous is wishing other drivers DNF, and/or relying on other DNF so our team can secure a better place, this is Ferrari not a low team wishing other cars can't make it to grab a leftover

**wacc** · 27th October 2012, 10:50

Originally Posted by Kyss4k

We are tired of promises...

You are right, they shouldn't promise you anything. It was said many times before, they should talk less about the car and its developement.

**F2002** · 27th October 2012, 10:50

Originally Posted by Ste

Would you have said Seb's alternator would fail in Valencia and Monza? Would you have predicted losing a huge lead by being taken out twice? No.

What's to say Seb won't crash out or be taken out or simply retire in the next two races while we finish on the podium?

You all give up so easily.

I believe that we have established by now that you don't win a championship through others' failures. The ease with which Vettel is putting that car on pole, and winning races recently, means that he can probably afford one (or even two!) DNFs and still be world champion. Work it out.

Also, don't expect to come to a Ferrari forum and see a lot of nice comments on a day like this.

Encouragement maybe, but not satisfaction - we're half a second away in a time when we should be battling it out for the championship, for goodness' sake..!!