View Full Version : Fernando could be the first driver to win WDC with the #3 WCC car?
AvantiFer
13th November 2010, 15:11
I heard this somewhere, anyone knows if this is actually true?
Corey
13th November 2010, 16:04
Your title is a bit confusing to understand:Hmm.
Do you mean that he could be the 1st driver to win the WDC when not driving the fastest car on the grid?
If that is what you meant, then it is a firm, NO. Remember, Hamilton became the world champion 2 years ago even when the F2008 was proven to be the fastest and most dominate car on the grid. The only race the F2008 lacked pace was in Hockenheim.
Google it guys, there are too many drivers who won the WDC without the fastest car, can't list them all out.
AvantiFer
13th November 2010, 16:26
Your title is a bit confusing to understand:Hmm.
Do you mean that he could be the 1st driver to win the WDC when not driving the fastest car on the grid?
If that is what you meant, then it is a firm, NO. Remember, Hamilton became the world champion 2 years ago even when the F2008 was proven to be the fastest and most dominate car on the grid. The only race the F2008 lacked pace was in Hockenheim.
Google it guys, there are too many drivers who won the WDC without the fastest car, can't list them all out.
No, I said with the 3rd car in the standings, I though it was pretty clear to understand.
Greig
13th November 2010, 16:28
No idea if true, but not much of a stat really is it :-)
AvantiFer
13th November 2010, 16:29
No idea if true, but not much of a stat really is it :-)
If it wasn't that hard there would be drivers who have done that I guess?
Greig
13th November 2010, 16:33
If it wasn't that hard there would be drivers who have done that I guess?
Jenson won with no22, means little I think :-)
AvantiFer
13th November 2010, 16:41
Jenson won with no22, means little I think :-)
Argh, maybe it was true and what I meant was a bit hard to understand.
If the race finishes as it starts, Alonso would be 1st in the WDC standings with the 3rd car in the WCC standings:
1 RBR-Renault 469
2 McLaren-Mercedes 421
3 Ferrari 389
That's what I meant! Button won with the car 1st in the WCC standings.
Greig
13th November 2010, 16:42
Ah right, got it now, could be true then, but maybe we will get 2nd tomorrow with a bit of luck :-D
Agron
13th November 2010, 16:57
I read in some forum that it would mean an extra $10M for Ferrari if they get 2nd... which considering it's also $10M less for McLaren would be a bit of an advantage for 2011, so I kind of hope we get in front.
Anyway it would indeed be a mighty achievement from Alonso, although I think even if the car has been second-third best all season, Ferrari as a team have been better than that, always focused and not giving up even when they were almost 50 points behind the leader, and Germany proving their no-nonsense approach to F1.
Some win and they still feel like losers, I'm sure we all can name a team like that this year, while Ferrari may or may not win -most often they do win-, but they always feel like winners.
Ferrarichamp
13th November 2010, 17:24
I think Alonso would be the first Ferrari driver to win WDC in a year that the team doesn't win WCC, at least in the modern era.
Alonso05-06
13th November 2010, 20:14
Can be the THIRD time Alonso wins the champ without the best car. McLaren 2005 Ferrari 2006 and Red Bull 2010.
Thats the reason because Fernando is the best in the world. Red Bull this year 15 of 19 poles and Alonso still leading he is AWESOME.
But lets wait to tomorrow for the third championship...is a long race. Go Fer! Do it again!
Jack
13th November 2010, 22:25
Best car + good driver = good car + best driver = world championship
512 TR
14th November 2010, 00:19
I heard this somewhere, anyone knows if this is actually true?
It's not true.
Nelson Piquet won the 1983 WDC in a Brabham-BMW. He won it by 2 points ahead of Alain Prost in a Renault.
WCC.
1. Ferrari 89 points.
2. Renault 79 points.
3. Brabham-BMW 72 points.
Keke Rosberg won the 1982 WDC in a Williams-Ford. He won it by 5 points ahead of Didier Pironi in a Ferrari. Williams finished 4th in the WCC.
WCC.
1. Ferrari 74 points.
2. McLaren-Ford 69 points.
3. Renault 62 points.
4. Williams-Ford 58 points.
Learn some F1 history.
Nathan
14th November 2010, 02:00
1982, Keke Rosberg won the title on a Williams. Williams finished the 4th.
AvantiFer
14th November 2010, 11:45
It's not true.
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Learn some F1 history.
Thanks for your efforts looking at the past stats, but if you look at the thread title and text, you will see that I was asking if it was true, so no need to be hard with me...
PS: it's still an awesome stat :D
Greig
14th November 2010, 11:48
Learn some F1 history.
Woah pretty harsh, no need to be so arrogant really :-( someone was asking a question not stating a fact.
Alonso Prophet
14th November 2010, 11:55
WCC points don't tell the whole truth. If we're talking about winning the championship in the third best car, then some might say Fernando already did it in 2005.
Greig
14th November 2010, 11:58
Why would anyone say that? he had a great reliable car in 2005? Who was better than Renault and McLaren in 2005 out of interest?
Alonso Prophet
14th November 2010, 12:05
McLaren had the best car, Ferrari arguably the second best because Schumacher scored more points than Fisichella in the "great reliable car". Remember Imola for example? All experts in Spain agreed that it was the driver that made the difference that year.
Greig
14th November 2010, 12:07
You are saying in 2005 Ferrari were a challenge? LOL
Experts in Spain? oh ok then LOL, Schumacher would have wiped the floor in 2005 if he had the 2nd best car :-)
schuey612
14th November 2010, 12:12
am i not correct in thinking michael had the number 3 on his car when he won in 2000???
Agron
14th November 2010, 12:30
WCC points don't tell the whole truth. If we're talking about winning the championship in the third best car, then some might say Fernando already did it in 2005.No, it was the second best car, if Schumy had the same car as Alonso 2005 would have been a very tight championship; in fact Kimi would probably have won, as the McLaren was a rocketship with great speed advantage over the renault and Alonso and Schumy would have fought for the spoils taking points from each other. I'm glad Alonso took it in the end, he was the best driver that season by far.
am i not correct in thinking michael had the number 3 on his car when he won in 2000???We are talking about in the same season, a driver winning the WDC while his team only finishes 3rd in the WCC standings. The number of the car depends on the previous season results so it isn't relevant here.
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