Malaysian GP 2014 Race Thread

[Greig]

You're being delusional if you think we don't have a problem with top speed. A car that is being 1.5s/lap faster must not have so much trouble getting past. How about Kimi vs Ericssen? Vergne? Grosjean? Alonso vs Hulk in Australia? Actually, both Kimi and Fernando vs anyone in Australia? No problem with top speed? Ok.

I never said we are the best at top speed so not sure why you think I did? Alonso was not faster because of his straightline speed.

Maybe you would rather we sacrifice the corners to go faster on the straight or something?

[fadyferrari]

I never said we are the best at top speed so not sure why you think I did? Alonso was not faster because of his straightline speed.

Maybe you would rather we sacrifice the corners to go faster on the straight or something?

But its not like our car is a beast in the corners is it?anyway,i hope we can keep the aero development on the positive...and i hope the 3 teams somehow reach an agreement with the FIA to undo the freeze...otherwise we might have a aerodynamically good car in the end,but still with one hand tied behind the back because of the PU

[Jas]

NEWS IN: DANNIEL 10 PLACE GRID PENELTY FOR NEXT RACE! SO probs be starting P13 or P14 no doubt!

[Greig]

But its not like our car is a beast in the corners is it?anyway,i hope we can keep the aero development on the positive...and i hope the 3 teams somehow reach an agreement with the FIA to undo the freeze...otherwise we might have a aerodynamically good car in the end,but still with one hand tied behind the back because of the PU

Is it not? well I am sure we can set it up to go really fast on the straights.

[fadyferrari]

NEWS IN: DANNIEL 10 PLACE GRID PENELTY FOR NEXT RACE! SO probs be starting P13 or P14 no doubt!

Engine change?

[anakin]

lets hope ferrari claw back some pace. I wonder how the development plays into. wspecially for the F14 T.
what are those parts are first in the pipeline.

[anakin]

I just remember a scene in the movie rush. lauda was complaining. its a $#!+ box. and the crew said "its A FERRARI"

[fadyferrari]

Is it not? well I am sure we can set it up to go really fast on the straights.

Redbull had nearly the same top speed as us,but did u see the way they exited the corners?
I wouldnt mind a slower straight line speed,if we could be on par with RBR in the corners...

[redkid]

Congratulations to Ferrari for making the most out of the opportunity presented. Both drivers fought up to the very end...if only they had a better car.

We are at the moment in my observation the 4th best team under normal racing conditions.I consider Merc, RB, Mclaren,Ferrari with Williams so close to us. PU is somewhat comparable to renault I guess (Merc is way ahead)...its just that we are more reliable. We are kinder on tires than most of the competition but we need to improve on all fronts to catch up with the top teams.

WE are Ferrari and it is just a matter of time before we can be on top. Again, congrats to Nando and Kimi...Forza Ferrari!

[Alonso14]

I never said we are the best at top speed so not sure why you think I did? Alonso was not faster because of his straightline speed.

Maybe you would rather we sacrifice the corners to go faster on the straight or something?

It's not about being best, we are lagging quite a lot in that department. And I pray it's a downforce/drag combination rather than PU problem but everything points towards the PU not being powerful enough.


NEWS IN: DANNIEL 10 PLACE GRID PENELTY FOR NEXT RACE! SO probs be starting P13 or P14 no doubt!

Man, the kid cannot catch a break. It's like I'm watching Mark Webber. And Horner pretended (poorly) that he actually cares about his retirement. It's very harsh on him to be on 0 points after 2 races given his driving in both of them.

[Nick Singer]

The little Petronas commercial from ROS on the podium shows you can't buy class..
Boring race.
ALO got the max (again..) out of a car that is third or fourth best.
RAI unlucky - could have been top 4-6.
RIC the new WEB.
My diesel sounds better the new F1s (on TV at least..).
Taken 'F1' out of the 'likes:' on my Twitter profile.
Shaping up to be another dire season for us and for the sport.
Very fed up.
:-ZZ

[Jas]

Engine change?

unsafe release I think! fair enough tbh!

[PURE PASSION]

The only "good" thing is that we are close in the championship and if there is any chance to catch up, then we can fight easier for the crown!!!!

[bonzo]

What I just don't understand is that how can Ferrari still have worse aero than RBR when they fixed wind tunnel. Answer please. In that case we have STUPID people working here in Ferrari...
Stupid boss, may be:-D

[Katu]

unsafe release I think! fair enough tbh!

he got 10 sec penalty for unsafe release, it has to be something else

[bonzo]

Yep,but Red Bull have 700 people only for the chassis and 420 million euro only for the chassis where Ferrari and mercedes have more and less the same people and budget but the Engine department too.Adrian is no God,there are very good aerodynamicist in Red Bull that make the dirty Job where he is getting all the fame,Ferrari has started to hire a lot of very good aerodynamicist since Aldo Costa departure and now that the wind tunnel is fixed we will see hopefully in this season how much we can improve,you know change in technical departments take time to work and Ferrari started the latest where Mercedes and Red Bull are already harvesting.This is a big guilt of the former Technical direction for not have invested before 2011 and Stefano Domenicali for not firing them at the right time,now it seems its working better,after a failure in Australia all the engine department has been shuffled,this should have happened 4 years ago!

...and LdM for not firing Stefano at the right time - 2 years ago.

[Alonso14]

he got 10 sec penalty for unsafe release, it has to be something else

Did he serve the 10 sec penalty? I don't recall that he did so maybe that's why? And some of the mechanics who wheeled him back didn't wear helmets so I guess this could have played a role as well.

[Tobes]

Could be but my gut feeling is its power. Slower top speed and 2nd phase of the start they got out dragged even by RedBull. Other Ferrari engine teams also seem to suffer straight line issues so a bit of doubt 3 teams would get gears wrong.

Agree to a point, but with only Sauber and Marussia as comparisons it's hard to really judge the engines in a poor chassis, can't help but wonder if the Merc PU is so vastly superior where was McLaren..? It's clearly the best engine right now, but is it really head and shoulders above ours..? The 'terrible' Renault PU looks ok in the Red Bull but shocking in the Lotus... The chassis in these cars are the difference...

I just can't believe our PU is as bad as it appears, hopefully our development will improve the car enough to prove that...

[wisepie]

Too much slagging off of Ferrari going on here, it wasn't a great race for us and all the issues mentioned are a problem, but we will get on top of them, just maybe not soon enough to mount title challenges. Fernando saved it as usual, Kimi luckless, and good on the no 19 Williams for sticking to his guns. Apart from that, we have a lot of work to do on top speed and power pick-up, it's depressing to see how far down the order we are in driveability. I'm hoping to watch Bahrain in Mallorca next weekend, but may need a beer earlier than usual to either celebrate a podium or drown my sorrows, in the meantime happy birthday Katu, you seemed to be one of the few people concentrating on the race! Forza Ferrari, even when we're clearly in need of something special from the engineers.:pray

[mark p]

Congratulations to Ferrari for making the most out of the opportunity presented. Both drivers fought up to the very end...if only they had a better car.

We are at the moment in my observation the 4th best team under normal racing conditions.I consider Merc, RB, Mclaren,Ferrari with Williams so close to us. PU is somewhat comparable to renault I guess (Merc is way ahead)...its just that we are more reliable. We are kinder on tires than most of the competition but we need to improve on all fronts to catch up with the top teams.

WE are Ferrari and it is just a matter of time before we can be on top. Again, congrats to Nando and Kimi...Forza Ferrari!

McLaren? Thay were knowhere today on a representative track. Their design looks fat on the sidepods and not very good. They do alright due to the engine but shows their aero must be so poor. Today Button was 45 seconds plus behind Alonso and if that idiot in the other McLaren did not hit the other Ferrari it to would of thrashed them.

Ferrari are very close to RedBull but a long way off Merc for now but I would say a large gap then exists with Hulkenbergs FI next but Williams like McLaren are poor, their aero is not great hence poor in wet due to low downforce but their engines which are supplied to them rescue them to some degree.

[ntukza]

Felipe Massa being too arrogant?

[bonzo]

Congratulations to Ferrari for making the most out of the opportunity presented. Both drivers fought up to the very end...if only they had a better car.

We are at the moment in my observation the 4th best team under normal racing conditions.I consider Merc, RB, Mclaren,Ferrari with Williams so close to us. PU is somewhat comparable to renault I guess (Merc is way ahead)...its just that we are more reliable. We are kinder on tires than most of the competition but we need to improve on all fronts to catch up with the top teams.

WE are Ferrari and it is just a matter of time before we can be on top. Again, congrats to Nando and Kimi...Forza Ferrari!
Yes, it is a matter of time, another 5-6 years and we may be top, eh?

[Hornet]

he got 10 sec penalty for unsafe release, it has to be something else

It seems that is the reason though. An additional 10 place gird drop for the unsafe release. Sounds like the FIA really dislike loose wheels


The Australian has a 10 place grid penalty for his unsafe release.

http://www.f1plus.com/en/news/item/5645-ricciardo-10-place-grid-penalty-bahrain

[vcs316]

Alonso: Ferrari needs to find more pace

Fernando Alonso has urged Ferrari to find and apply more performance to the F14 T chassis after the Malaysian Grand Prix.

Although the two-time World Champion finished best of the rest behind Mercedes duo Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg and the Red Bull of Sebastian Vettel, he was more than half a minute away from victory.

As the season progresses, Alonso says his team needs to make sizeable improvements if it is to become a genuine contender for race wins.

"It was a tough race," said Alonso, who recorded Ferrari's only points of the day after team-mate Kimi Räikkönen's costly early puncture.

"We didn't have the pace to follow Mercedes and Red Bull, and found ourselves battling with Nico [Hülkenberg].

"We had a big tyre advantage at the end, but we need to find pace to battle with Red Bull and Mercedes."

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/308517/alonso-ferrari-needs-to-find-more-pace/

[vcs316]

Alonso: "The car is reliable, but we lack pace"

Fernando Alonso was relatively satisfied after clinching a second straight fourth-place finish of the season in Sepang: "We didn't have any problems, the car performed well if a little slowly, especially in terms of traction. Mercedes and Red Bull were faster, so we have to congratulate them and try to do better in the upcoming races".

"The reliability was good, but we lack pace. Anyway, being third in the World Championship without yet getting into top gear is without doubt the biggest positive we can take away from the first two races".

[Bertie]

Yes, it is a matter of time, another 5-6 years and we may be top, eh?

If it takes 5 or 50 years i will still be here supporting my team..... hopefully you will not be......

[Katu]

I'm hoping to watch Bahrain in Mallorca next weekend, but may need a beer earlier than usual to either celebrate a podium or drown my sorrows, in the meantime happy birthday Katu, you seemed to be one of the few people concentrating on the race! Forza Ferrari, even when we're clearly in need of something special from the engineers.:pray
thank you and have a nice trip yourself!!

[mark p]

Agree to a point, but with only Sauber and Marussia as comparisons it's hard to really judge the engines in a poor chassis, can't help but wonder if the Merc PU is so vastly superior where was McLaren..? It's clearly the best engine right now, but is it really head and shoulders above ours..? The 'terrible' Renault PU looks ok in the Red Bull but shocking in the Lotus... The chassis in these cars are the difference...

I just can't believe our PU is as bad as it appears, hopefully our development will improve the car enough to prove that...

I think Merc is an annomaly at the moment. Without them Ferrari and Renault are evenly matched. Merc engine is possibly so good cars with poor chassis like Williams (huge downforce issue hence wet weather performance) and McLaren (carrying on from last year with poor car, huge fat sidepods) are looking far better than they are due to a Merc designed engine.

I really think the PU is short on power, would like to know if so is is a mix of recovery systems and engine or one or the other.

[Kyss4k]

Again did you watch the race? Hulk defended very well at the end of the straight into the last corner, which put Alonso out of position for the pit straight exit, but he still came back at him and used the straight to set up the overtake.

Can I join the discussion? I watched the battle pretty closely and Alonso was, coming onto the straight leading to the lap when he overtook Hulk, almost touching Hulk's diffuser, but still he could not pass him. The best he could do, with DRS, to get hardly next to him, not fly past him. We are lacking in the engine department and it will be hard to gain there as the development of it is seriously limited.

[ntukza]

I still can't believe Ferrari failed in the engine department despite their bullish talk several months ago.

[bonzo]

If it takes 5 or 50 years i will still be here supporting my team..... hopefully you will not be......
There is a big difference between "supporting" and senseless "worship", mate. Supporting the team means you have to be realistic, see the reasons for the failures and try to show the way to solve the problems. We are here on this forum because we all love our team and each one of us is free to voice his feelings and his critical views when things just do not happen for almost 6 years. We cannot be proud and content with 4th place when we are 1,5 sec slower than the leaders and when we have problems to overtake FI on fully used hard tires, we being on brand new meds.

[Senna4Ever]

we are nearly there ... I feel it ... wait just another week


Yep,but Red Bull have 700 people only for the chassis and 420 million euro only for the chassis where Ferrari and mercedes have more and less the same people and budget but the Engine department too.
:-D
ah ... now it is RedBull once again leading the top of the organization side. Last weeks it was Merc so much bigger in the engine department. So it is a kind of little wonder that we can drive along with them.

Anyone an actual list of the budgets of each team?
this one's from 2013 (and of course journalists just idiots as always)
1. RedBull with 370 Mio
2. Ferrari with 350 Mio
3. McLaren with 200 Mio
4. Merc with 150 Mio

let it be also 350 Mio for Merc ... If our organization is always smaller than the other ones ... where is the whole money running then?

Just sum it up.
Melbourne not a representative track: +35sec behind winner Rosberg
just keep calm Malaysia even more representative track: +35sec behind winner Hamilton

and hoping of RedBulls don't finish in the heat ... once again the wrong guy ...
Despite of collision DNF we have 1 Ferrari engine that didn't make it, with one Renault in RedBull and one in Lotus.

There is still much improvement in the cars and this regards to all teams. With the actual gap we have now we need to find two steps were others find one ... and due to the fact that others are the 'bigger teams' in our eyes we then must be outran in development ... and by someone who has bigger organization the probability is higher that they have also someone who is as clever as someone at Ferrari.

it is a pity that Kimi (on 6 round older MEDIUMs) wasn't able to overtake a Grosjean in a Lotus on Harder tire. We are talking about Lotus the team with the biggest problem to get the car on the track for a race. With nearly no experience with that car.
Just watch the moment when Ric was just coming out of the pits right before Fernando with nearly 'cold' tires while Fernando already brought them to temperature for one one lap. That's what I call traction. of course it was softer one in Ric but they were fully there right after 200meter. They have traction from first second on and they can use them as long we do ...

kudos to our drivers and the pit crew (Fernandos crew was total fasted this day) ... and for you engineers at home: I hope you can sleep well ..

P.S. I will wait until China and after that I will place a bet here ... input = donation for this forum ...

[Muhammad Ansib]

Alonso: "The car is reliable, but we lack pace"

Fernando Alonso was relatively satisfied after clinching a second straight fourth-place finish of the season in Sepang: "We didn't have any problems, the car performed well if a little slowly, especially in terms of traction. Mercedes and Red Bull were faster, so we have to congratulate them and try to do better in the upcoming races".

"The reliability was good, but we lack pace. Anyway, being third in the World Championship without yet getting into top gear is without doubt the biggest positive we can take away from the first two races".

is any other team also using 8th gear?

[Alonso14]

is any other team also using 8th gear?

Maybe he meant "top gear" as an expression?

[ALO]

get over yourselves already. whatc your freakin complaint helps here? yeah it's not the best car, but your complai.nt. really helps. enjoy the race! yeah the negativity gets old fast

[Senna4Ever]

he got 10 sec penalty for unsafe release, it has to be something else

1. happy birthday

2.https://twitter.com/DanielPerkin/status/450222418574196736/photo/1
https://twitter.com/DanielPerkin/status/450222418574196736/photo/1

might answer your question

[ALO]

yeah the negativity gets old fast
Oh by the way happy birthday

[RedRebel40]

I am happy with our drivers but I really like to see Hulkenberg in the near future driving for us.
Anyone else charmed with the performance of Hulkenberg this season?

[Katu]

1. happy birthday

2.https://twitter.com/DanielPerkin/status/450222418574196736/photo/1
https://twitter.com/DanielPerkin/status/450222418574196736/photo/1

might answer your question

thank you :-)
seems like stewarts really do not like unsafe releases

[Katu]

Oh by the way happy birthday

thank you!

[Mister eX]

Maybe he meant "top gear" as an expression?

Yeah, I thought so too...

[PadGeT]

What updates have they got?
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[Winter]

That new stop and go penalty is a joke! Maggot ruined Kimis race and got 5sec added to his regular pit stop! Thats way less than drive-trough penalty would have been!

[RedPassion]

I think Merc is an annomaly at the moment. Without them Ferrari and Renault are evenly matched. Merc engine is possibly so good cars with poor chassis like Williams (huge downforce issue hence wet weather performance) and McLaren (carrying on from last year with poor car, huge fat sidepods) are looking far better than they are due to a Merc designed engine.

I really think the PU is short on power, would like to know if so is is a mix of recovery systems and engine or one or the other.
Completely agree with you,without PU problems we would lap 1,0 s clear of them and FI too.
Our chassis is great,maybe only second to Red Bull.

[Kiwi Nick]

That new stop and go penalty is a joke! Maggot ruined Kimis race and got 5sec added to his regular pit stop! Thats way less than drive-trough penalty would have been!

Agreed. Even the drive thru would have been less than Kimi suffered as a result of Maggot's action.

[Winter]

Nice one massa

Nice whining to team radio! And nicely ignored team message! The ultimate team player.

[Jas]

Nice whining to team radio! And nicely ignored team message! The ultimate team player.

Hes done that enough...their is no question he is a team player etc, and so early on in the season and he wasn't that quicker, probs the same as massa in dirty air. Out quailed him twice so im glad, hoping he comes on top!

[Hornet]

Nice whining to team radio! And nicely ignored team message! The ultimate team player.

Massa have many, many times in the past did his part in helping the team, not just for Alonso, but for Kimi and Schumi as well!

He knows when he's in the position to help the team, and he will. Today wasn't such day. Bottas would never have pass Button, if he can't even pass Massa. Not Massa's fault the team's pit wall had a brain fart moment.

[Jas]

Massa have many, many times in the past did his part in helping the team, not just for Alonso, but for Kimi and Schumi as well!

He knows when he's in the position to help the team, and he will. Today wasn't such day. Bottas would never have pass Button, if he can't even pass Massa. Not Massa's fault the team's pit wall had a brain fart moment.

Totally agree, the hype around Bottas recently is excessive, out qualified twice etc...we shall see!

[vcs316]

Magnussen 'destroyed' our race - Raikkonen

Kimi Raikkonen was left ruing his early collision with Kevin Magnussen after admitting the collision ruined any hope he had of a meaningful challenge in Malaysia.

Raikkonen fancied his chances of a podium finish in the dry from sixth on the grid, but contact with Magnussen at the start of the second lap gave him a rear puncture. He spent the remainder of the race out of the points and ended 12th, far off where he felt his form in free practice suggested he could have been and a long way off team-mate Fernando Alonso in fourth.

"I don't know much about it," Raikkonen said. "All I know his front wing hit me on my wheel but I didn't feel anything, so I have no idea when it was. Obviously it destroyed our race, not very good for us but I can't say much as I have not seen it. On Friday and Saturday we have been pretty ok until qualifying, which wasn't ideal and we weren't as happy with. We were still in an ok position for the race. I got a pretty good start but then got that issue with the rear tyre. I think how we started was good and for sure we could have been up there with Fernando. It all went down when I got hit so that was that. It is a shame because without it we could have had a pretty ok race. It's not where we want to be with the guys at the front. They are too fast right now but it is good for what we expected."

Despite a frustrating race at Sepang, Raikkonen is confident upgrades can improve Ferrari's prospects further in Bahrain next week.

"Hopefully next race we will have some new parts for the car I've been asking for and hopefully it makes a change in a nice way. Hopefully the front end will feel nicer. We will have to wait and see how we do on Friday there. I know on the test there was a some difficulties with handling but hopefully the new parts can sort that out. The new updates should make us a bit happier with the front end. It's a new part and we don't know if it will do what we expect. We have a good understanding of where we want to go and what to do. I expect if we make that happen we can go much faster, but how quickly we can do that we will see. All the good things we did a lot better here so we are going in the right direction."

© ESPN Sports Media Ltd.

[stefa]

One question.
Are you all calm?

[fadyferrari]

One question.
Are you all calm?
Yep.calm as a saint...:furious .see?lol

[PadGeT]

Magnussen 'destroyed' our race - Raikkonen


Despite a frustrating race at Sepang, Raikkonen is confident upgrades can improve Ferrari's prospects further in Bahrain next week.

"Hopefully next race we will have some new parts for the car I've been asking for and hopefully it makes a change in a nice way. Hopefully the front end will feel nicer. We will have to wait and see how we do on Friday there. I know on the test there was a some difficulties with handling but hopefully the new parts can sort that out. The new updates should make us a bit happier with the front end. It's a new part and we don't know if it will do what we expect. We have a good understanding of where we want to go and what to do. I expect if we make that happen we can go much faster, but how quickly we can do that we will see. All the good things we did a lot better here so we are going in the right direction."

© ESPN Sports Media Ltd.

Roll on Bahrain then
:pass :pass

[Gerhard Berger]

Like i said earlier, i don't think we can win the championship like this. We went for reliability above all, yet we didnt realise that the likes of Merc and Red Bull can create a reliable car WITH great performance. F1 has moved on from 10-15 years ago, and manufacturing standards are much higher. Just like th elast 5 years, reliability won't decide this championship - the speed of the car will, and as long as we continue to have the 3rd best car, i can't see us winning the championship.

Have to agree with others - the PU looks down on power and drivability out of slow corners. Not surprised though - Marmorini was not impressive at all at Toyota, so no surprise to see him struggle in his first real project at Ferrari. With the PU frozen, it will be hard to recover.

[Gerhard Berger]

Roll on Bahrain then
:pass :pass

Not going to get my hopes up. We've heard these words before many times in the past, only to see that the update either doesnt work, or is not as extensive as we hoped.

[PadGeT]

Not going to get my hopes up. We've heard these words before many times in the past, only to see that the update either doesnt work, or is not as extensive as we hoped.

Remind me what updates did'nt perform acc. to our expectations so far dis year?

[Bertie]

There is a big difference between "supporting" and senseless "worship", mate. Supporting the team means you have to be realistic, see the reasons for the failures and try to show the way to solve the problems. We are here on this forum because we all love our team and each one of us is free to voice his feelings and his critical views when things just do not happen for almost 6 years. We cannot be proud and content with 4th place when we are 1,5 sec slower than the leaders and when we have problems to overtake FI on fully used hard tires, we being on brand new meds.

No worship senseless or otherwise. When supporting a team you can't expect to win every race/championship "you have to be realistic". I am proud and content that we have made significant progress from the last race where IMO we were 4-5th best team behind merc, RB, mclaren and maybe williams. 2 weeks later we are joint 2nd fastest with RB.

The hulk defened well further proving he has the potential to be WDC in the future. Alo's meds were far from new around 10 laps old which is 2/3 of their life span. but don't let facts get in the way.

I think you should drop the N in you TSN name as it seems from your coments and attitude that you are a weapons grade bozo.

[shamim179]

Not going to get my hopes up. We've heard these words before many times in the past, only to see that the update either doesnt work, or is not as extensive as we hoped.

On the contrary, I think that our updates will come and work but we are really struggling on the engine software integration side of things. It seems we didn't do enough work to see how the traditional ICE power delivery works with the electrical power delivery systems. We should have assembled a team of clever software engineers to intensively work on this front ages ago during the early design phases of our engine development if we didn't already do so. We're into a new Formula and it's likely we'll see a continuation of at least some emphasis on electrical power delivery so if we are weak on this front it doesn't matter how good we are on the traditional engine building expertise area, we will always be behind. I hope we realise this and understand this now rather than later like a few years from now and say to ourselves that oh yeah should have allocated more resources here.

[bonzo]

No worship senseless or otherwise. When supporting a team you can't expect to win every race/championship "you have to be realistic". I am proud and content that we have made significant progress from the last race where IMO we were 4-5th best team behind merc, RB, mclaren and maybe williams. 2 weeks later we are joint 2nd fastest with RB.

The hulk defened well further proving he has the potential to be WDC in the future. Alo's meds were far from new around 10 laps old which is 2/3 of their life span. but don't let facts get in the way.

I think you should drop the N in you TSN name as it seems from your coments and attitude that you are a weapons grade bozo.
"Significant progress"? Where did you see it?

[hogo]

"Significant progress"? Where did you see it?

Exactly, our form is actually worse than I thought. Now we know that our car is underperforming in old school tracks like the one in Melbourne and in tracks designed by Herman Tilke. So thats like 90% of all the tracks we have in this years calendar.

[Katu]

i think that Williams didn't just take it in the air that Felipe should have let Bottas pass him, they have data they based on their decision. Kimi couldn't pass Grosjean, but we all know he was faster.. perhaps they should have told him differently.
yes Massa has helped team before, but team has helped him too, Kimi let him pass easily so he could win and Ferrari gave him contracts when clearly he didn't deserve this.
so when team says something, you obey, he asked team for Bottas not to attack him in early stages of the race and Bottas followed team instructions. now think 12 months back - Vettel ignored team orders not to pass Webber and how annoyed everyone were. kind of double standards i see

[Winter]

Agree to a point, but with only Sauber and Marussia as comparisons it's hard to really judge the engines in a poor chassis, can't help but wonder if the Merc PU is so vastly superior where was McLaren..? It's clearly the best engine right now, but is it really head and shoulders above ours..? The 'terrible' Renault PU looks ok in the Red Bull but shocking in the Lotus... The chassis in these cars are the difference...

I just can't believe our PU is as bad as it appears, hopefully our development will improve the car enough to prove that...

Maybe McLaren isn't so much better now than it was last year other than engine wise.. Their cap to Mercedes isn't so much smaller anyway.
To me that's another proof of Mercedes PU superiority.

[Winter]

Felipe Massa being too arrogant?

Yes. And I hope that Claire has balls to make thet clear to him :redcard

[shamim179]

Yes. And I hope that Claire has balls to make thet clear to him :redcard

Claire is a woman!

[Winter]

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I still wonder, how can they make that diffuser work with so much rake. The rear of that car is like 10cm higher than other cars..

[Jas]

HMMM I Wonder what this "part" is, whether aero or mechanical!


Despite a frustrating race at Sepang, Raikkonen is confident upgrades can improve Ferrari's prospects further in Bahrain next week.

"Hopefully next race we will have some new parts for the car I've been asking for and hopefully it makes a change in a nice way. Hopefully the front end will feel nicer. We will have to wait and see how we do on Friday there. I know on the test there was a some difficulties with handling but hopefully the new parts can sort that out. The new updates should make us a bit happier with the front end. It's a new part and we don't know if it will do what we expect. We have a good understanding of where we want to go and what to do. I expect if we make that happen we can go much faster, but how quickly we can do that we will see. All the good things we did a lot better here so we are going in the right direction."

Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/malaysia/motors...4ZXuVdSUoBU.99

[shamim179]

But yeah not the way to start especially with a new team. Massa is keen to stamp his authority. He must be confident that he is indeed the faster and better driver. I hope he isn't feeling the pressure already. This is only going to intensify the rivalry between them. It will be fascinating to watch.

[Winter]

Hes done that enough...their is no question he is a team player etc, and so early on in the season and he wasn't that quicker, probs the same as massa in dirty air. Out quailed him twice so im glad, hoping he comes on top!

When Massa whined to radio team asked Valtteri to give Massa some space and guess what? Bottas did what team asked him to do, even he was faster than Massa ATM.

And I have always liked Massa and still am, but what I saw today was just arrogant and selfish. The fact that he has played second fiddle many years doesn't give him a right to disobey what team tells him to do.

[Greig]

Nice whining to team radio! And nicely ignored team message! The ultimate team player.

He never ignored it actually, Claire Williams spoke about it after the race and we never heard the full radio, but hey don't let that stop you.

[varun]

5796

Hamster times in grey
Alonso in red
AND pettel in blue.

This really sums it up ..doesn't it?
We are really slow(every lap losing chunks of time,, at best we could match pettel's pace)..we lost straight line speed,,lost race pace..lost good starts..built what i understand as the 3rd best engine
oh Ferrari:roll:-??

Waiting for something spectacular to happen.
:pray

[Jakke74]

He never ignored it actually, Claire Williams spoke about it after the race and we never heard the full radio, but hey don't let that stop you.

Rob Nelson is not thinking same like Claire http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113195

"He [Massa] did not do what we would have preferred him to do," said Nelson.

"Felipe was running fairly high temperatures on his engine and we were a little bit concerned about it, and Valtteri had much fresher tyres than Jenson did.

"We thought that it would be good to give Valtteri a go at getting past Jenson.

"Then, if he hadn't achieved that within two or three laps, we would have swapped our drivers over again and everyone would have been happy.

[Greig]

Rob Nelson is not thinking same like Claire http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113195

"He [Massa] did not do what we would have preferred him to do," said Nelson.

"Felipe was running fairly high temperatures on his engine and we were a little bit concerned about it, and Valtteri had much fresher tyres than Jenson did.

"We thought that it would be good to give Valtteri a go at getting past Jenson.

"Then, if he hadn't achieved that within two or three laps, we would have swapped our drivers over again and everyone would have been happy.

Team principal or mechanic....I will stick with the team principal thanks ;-)

[Winter]

Claire is a woman!

Really :thumb

[Jakke74]

Team principal or mechanic....I will stick with the team principal thanks ;-)

Yep, and last summer Lotus principal said that Lotus have paid all salaries :D

[Winter]

He never ignored it actually, Claire Williams spoke about it after the race and we never heard the full radio, but hey don't let that stop you.

My comments are only based what I've heard and seen, but hey don't let that stop you.

[radosav]

Alonso vs Hulk, we were fast, maybe we could be faster, but Hulk defended aggressively!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15BZAHs8j5M&feature=youtube_gdata_playere

[Jas]

@alo_oficial: Dining at the hotel and ready to get some rest. Today, as always at Sepang, we lost a great amount of water. 2.8kg out.. ‪#‎Goodnight

[Jas]

Where are these comments from Claire?!?!!?

[Giallo 550]

As much as I hate to admit it, it doesn't seem like the Ferrari engine is a match for Mercedes's or Renault's... Hopefully whatever parts they bring to Bahrain make a difference. At least the car appears reliable. Also, another awesome effort from Fernando. It just reaffirms my belief that we have the best driver on the grid.

[Greig]

My comments are only based what I've heard and seen, but hey don't let that stop you.

I ain't the one jumping to slate someone without knowing the whole story though....

Do you support Bottas as well as Kimi or something? Must be hard to keep seeing Massa beat your drivers I guess.

[Greig]

Where are these comments from Claire?!?!!?

She was speaking to Ted after the race, basically said Felipe never ignored the order as he started going quicker and then both of them were told to hold station and reduce the engine temps.

[Hermann]

Brilliant maneuver by Fernando :clap

[Giallo 550]

Do you support Bottas as well as Kimi or something? Must be hard to keep seeing Massa beat your drivers I guess.

:lol

[Winter]

Team principal or mechanic....I will stick with the team principal thanks ;-)

Or maybe Claire was just playing down the situation to avoid drama inside the team. ¨
Both drivers got message, Felipe to let pass and Valtteri to overtake. I haven't seen what Claire said afterwards, but Felipe was told to let Bottas pass.

[Winter]

I ain't the one jumping to slate someone without knowing the whole story though....

Do you support Bottas as well as Kimi or something? Must be hard to keep seeing Massa beat your drivers I guess.

Yes, I support both, but don't let that stop you.

[Greig]

Yes, I support both, but don't let that stop you.

Well must be hard for you to have such split loyalties. And to find Massa as a constant thorn, does explain your bitterness towards him.

[radosav]

Brilliant maneuver by Fernando :clap

There is article on Autosport where Fernando said that car was very hard to drive during some parts of race ! I hope that engine updates can solve these things so that we can be little bit more competitive !

[Winter]

Well must be hard for you to have such split loyalties. And to find Massa as a constant thorn, does explain your bitterness towards him.

My short post from 13th October 2013: Felipe and Valtteri in Williams would make my second favorite team.

[bonzo]

5796

Hamster times in grey
Alonso in red
AND pettel in blue.

This really sums it up ..doesn't it?
We are really slow(every lap losing chunks of time,, at best we could match pettel's pace)..we lost straight line speed,,lost race pace..lost good starts..built what i understand as the 3rd best engine
oh Ferrari:roll:-??

Waiting for something spectacular to happen.
:pray

And loosing the season, as it already seems...

[Senna4Ever]

Brilliant maneuver by Fernando :clap
Seems he is thinking always two steps further - like playing chess ...



Despite a frustrating race at Sepang, Raikkonen is confident upgrades can improve Ferrari's prospects further in Bahrain next week.

"Hopefully next race we will have some new parts for the car I've been asking for and hopefully it makes a change in a nice way.

So Kimi is asking for some particular new parts where he thinks that they will make the car faster?
Is that what is written here?
Then I know where the lack of development was the last couple of years: our other two drivers just asked for a fast car ... and gave no hint where in particular ...


One question.
Are you all calm?

no, but have to mention I never smoked ...

[Rob]

I still wonder, how can they make that diffuser work with so much rake. The rear of that car is like 10cm higher than other cars..

helps the rear end produce a little more D/F, and more of an aggressive angle of attack.

[Black Adder]

I am just disappointed in the Ferrari car. I don't see that some immediate upgrades or news parts will put us in front or next to Mercedes. I was hopeful after the Friday and Saturday sessions thanks to Kimi (and knowing that Alonso is at least as good), but today's race showed what we all knew: the car is just too slow... It was painful to see that Kimi couldn't even overtake Grosjean, even with some older tires. Alonso and Kimi are too good to fight for 5th place or so. My apologies for the pessimism... and I hope that I am totally wrong and that we show some improvement next week. There is always a next race...

[LivingHitokiri]

Guys, seriously, Kimi had lost around 1 and half minutes due to collision, his floor got damaged and he was on 25+ laps tyres chasing down from dead last and almost got close to points,despise these problems.
Fernanado also had some issues during first pit stop mainly with grip and some balance issues which got restored after second pit stop and he drove amazingly for 4th .

Why is everyone so pessimistic ? I know that our car is not the best but some in here making it like we are the worse team on the grid....
Lets judge our car when we get a normal race without any collisions or other car problems to judge our pace,heck if we take the pure pace Fernando and Kimi had today then you can see that we arent that far behind.

[REDARMYSOJA]

Did the really say "Felipe, Bottas is faster than you..." over the radio?

[LivingHitokiri]

Did the really say "Felipe, Bottas is faster than you..." over the radio?

I didnt gave much attention during race but i recall i heard that on team radio...

[REDARMYSOJA]

I didnt gave much attention during race but i recall i heard that on team radio...

Yes, I remember the announcers joking about it, but did not hear the radio transmission. But apparently they did say that. Very poor form from Williams. I don't blame Felipe for not listening to that.

[LivingHitokiri]

Yes, I remember the announcers joking about it, but did not hear the radio transmission. But apparently they did say that. Very poor form from Williams. I don't blame Felipe for not listening to that.

The funny thing is when Bottas was in front and he got the order to let Felipe pass he said something about let him try or get closer . Im pretty sure Felipe feels delighted at moment and im supporting him for that decision ...

[Winter]

If Williams thought that Valtteri had a change to challence Button it was right thing to do.

[Winter]

The funny thing is when Bottas was in front and he got the order to let Felipe pass he said something about let him try or get closer . Im pretty sure Felipe feels delighted at moment and im supporting him for that decision ...

And when that happend?

[LivingHitokiri]

And when that happend?

If i recall it was in the early during first stint where Bottas was in front of Felipe and i heard something like that took place, i could be wrong and heard something else but i remember hearing the commentators saying about Bottas reply....

[Ed Harley]

Did the really say "Felipe, Bottas is faster than you..." over the radio?
Yes.

[evo_spook]

If i recall it was in the early during first stint where Bottas was in front of Felipe and i heard something like that took place, i could be wrong and heard something else but i remember hearing the commentators saying about Bottas reply....

In the first stint, Bottas was behind and Massa went on radio and asked them to stop Bottas from trying to over take him. Massa is okay with team orders in that instance.

[Hermann]

In the first stint, Bottas was behind and Massa went on radio and asked them to stop Bottas from trying to over take him. Massa is okay with team orders in that instance.

He did??? :-E

[RedPassion]

Yes.
Felipe Massa"i am not anymore a slave" are u sure Felipe?????
It just show how much hypocrites there are in F1,blaming Ferrari for something all do.Did you hear when today Ricciardo was instructed not to attack vettel?Hilarious.:rotfl
Welcome to Red Bull Daniel:wave

[Winter]

If i recall it was in the early during first stint where Bottas was in front of Felipe and i heard something like that took place, i could be wrong and heard something else but i remember hearing the commentators saying about Bottas reply....

Do you mean that moment when Bottas was right behind Felipe and Felipe screamed that Bottas was almost hitting him. Team told Bottas to give Felipe some space. Valtteri said calmly that he would be faster than Felipe, but still he backed away. Do you mean that situation?

[Hornet]

Sigh. Sad to see some people still enjoy bashing Massa. Agree or not, Massa decision has got nothing to do with Ferrari's race today, but from some of the comments you'd think he ruined Ferrari's race :giveup

[wisepie]

I'm sure earlier in the race Felipe had said over the radio that Bottas 'crashed him' when he was pressing him from behind (I may be wrong or have mis-heard), and Bottas was told to stop aggravating Felipe. I don't reckon Bottas could have caught and passed Button, even with Felipe's help, so I'm pleased he stuck it out, also that Claire tried to diffuse the situation after the race. Once Rob is at Williams, at least Felipe will have a true mentor! I'm sure the Williams pit crew were saying that Valterri was faster just for the TV value! But hey, this is a Ferrari forum and here we are all talking Massa. Great!:lol

[Rob]

Felipe Massa"i am not anymore a slave" are u sure Felipe?????
It just show how much hypocrites there are in F1,blaming Ferrari for something all do.Did you hear when today Ricciardo was instructed not to attack vettel?Hilarious.:rotfl
Welcome to Red Bull Daniel:wave

Has to laugh At Damon Hill on SKY F1, saying and moaning about team orders, but he seems to have forgotten about Belgian GP 1998.

Anyway gutted for Dani Ric, but thats what you get for trying to race Vettel in RBR, "default 13" came soon after that :roll

[Senna4Ever]

Did you hear when today Ricciardo was instructed not to attack vettel?Hilarious.:rotfl
Welcome to Red Bull Daniel:wave

And I thought that just came out of my mind ... and German Sky doesn't broadcast those things too ...
I also tought that Ric hasn't used DRS even he was within 1 sec ...

do you have a link to this radio message - would be too funny to play that tomorrow in front of all those Vettel Fans in my company ...

[Rob]

Wasnt great race, not as in ours, but the whole race. Bit boring, Kimi just had horrible bad luck. Tobes, told you Mercs be out of reach. :furious

We, seem to have good chassis, got few gremlins to iron out. The developments coming will give us nice step up and Kimi will find them making it easier for him to drive. Nice improvements coming ;-)

[Winter]

Sigh. Sad to see some people still enjoy bashing Massa. Agree or not, Massa decision has got nothing to do with Ferrari's race today, but from some of the comments you'd think he ruined Ferrari's race :giveup

If you mean me, I like Massa, but what he did today wasn't right thing to do.

[Greig]

If you mean me, I like Massa, but what he did today wasn't right thing to do.

Have you got the full story now or just repeating yourself?

[Ed Harley]

Well, Mr Räikkönen's WDC season is pretty much over but there is still the supporting role in WCC. That's the way it is sometimes.

[AfterLife]

What i enjoyed the most was radio transmission between Nico Rosberg and his race engineer.
Race Engineer (Talking slowly and quietly): Nico we need to put 5 seconds gap to Vettel.
Nico said nothing but the gap increased from 2.5 to 5 seconds. I did LOL :rotfl

[Winter]

Have you got the full story now or just repeating yourself?

You've mistaken, I didn't reply to your post.

[Hornet]

If you mean me, I like Massa, but what he did today wasn't right thing to do.

Don't you think it's a little harsh though to criticize him as not a team player, after what he's given during his time in Ferrari. I can't think of any other driver who would take a gearbox penalty and drop 5 places just so his team make can start 1 position higher. Massa has proven many times that he will sacrifice his own race if it helps the team.

At the very least, Massa deserve the benefit of doubt. He has his reasons why he didn't just move aside the first time he was told Bottas was faster, and the team didn't appear to be further pursuing the matter after that anyway. We may never know the whole story, but Massa deserve the benefit of doubt.

[Ed Harley]

Well, Mr Massa asked team to tell Mr Bottas not to pressure him in the early stages of the race. Team orders seemed to suit him then just fine.

There was a possibility for Williams to gain more points if Mr Bottas could have passed Mr Button but since Mr Massa decided that he doesn't need to obey his employer they/we will now never know.

[Winter]

Don't you think it's a little harsh though to criticize him as not a team player, after what he's given during his time in Ferrari. I can't think of any other driver who would take a gearbox penalty and drop 5 places just so his team make can start 1 position higher. Massa has proven many times that he will sacrifice his own race if it helps the team.

At the very least, Massa deserve the benefit of doubt. He has his reasons why he didn't just move aside the first time he was told Bottas was faster, and the team didn't appear to be further pursuing the matter after that anyway. We may never know the whole story, but Massa deserve the benefit of doubt.

Yes, at Ferrari he really was the ultimate team player(just to repeat my self). And if we really didn't hear the complete message to him and he really had permission to hold Bottas, then I obviously am wrong.

[LivingHitokiri]

Do you mean that moment when Bottas was right behind Felipe and Felipe screamed that Bottas was almost hitting him. Team told Bottas to give Felipe some space. Valtteri said calmly that he would be faster than Felipe, but still he backed away. Do you mean that situation?

yeah, that one was probably the situation i confused with, i thought Bottas was in front, my bad

[LivingHitokiri]

Well, Mr Räikkönen's WDC season is pretty much over but there is still the supporting role in WCC. That's the way it is sometimes.
Wait what , since when the championship is over after 2 races?

[Ed Harley]

Wait what , since when the championship is over after 2 races?
Realistically since Sepang GP today. His difference to 1st is now 37 points and looking at the car performance differences the gap probably will just keep growing until the new parts will arrive and hopefully work. But there may be some WCC points he can get.

[Greig]

You've mistaken, I didn't reply to your post.

But I replied to yours, so are you just repeating or have you got the full story now?

[Tobes]

Tobes, told you Mercs be out of reach. :furious

Yeah, you were right... :-s

[Greig]

Realistically since Sepang GP today. His difference to 1st is now 37 points and looking at the car performance differences the gap probably will just keep growing until the new parts will arrive and hopefully work. But there may be some WCC points he can get.

Plus he does not seem to be any better than Massa at challenging Alonso.

[LivingHitokiri]

Realistically since Sepang GP today. His difference to 1st is now 37 points and looking at the car performance differences the gap probably will just keep growing until the new parts will arrive and hopefully work. But there may be some WCC points he can get.

The year barely started the situation could change especially after the major upgrades we get in Europe. The victory counts for 25 and taking into consideration reliability and such nothing is over,especially with the double points on the last GP

[stefa]

This was such a BORING race!
New Formula 1 is..... fighting to find a right world.

[Kyss4k]

Realistically since Sepang GP today. His difference to 1st is now 37 points and looking at the car performance differences the gap probably will just keep growing until the new parts will arrive and hopefully work. But there may be some WCC points he can get.

Well I gave up the hope last year before the end of the season, but this is waaaay too much. Alonso in 2012 had almost 50 points advantage over Vettel afte Spa and we all know how it ended. This year, we have solid chassis, so if there is a possibility to improve the power unit by optimising the software, we could strike back.

[PlatzdaTurbo]

Plus he does not seem to be any better than Massa at challenging Alonso.

:lol

& yet you seem to be trying really hard to convince/remind yourself that he indeed is better than Kimi.

We get it bro. You dig Fernando. lol. Its going his way in the driver face off so far so quit worrying already ! :lol

[Greig]

:lol

& yet you seem to be trying really hard to convince/remind yourself that he indeed is better than Kimi.

We get it bro. You dig Fernando. lol. Its going his way in the driver face off so far so quit worrying already ! :lol

I seen Felipe be better than Kimi at Ferrari, just as I seen Alonso be better than Massa not quite sure how you find that hard to understand or think it means anything much. Just we were told on here by many that replacing Felipe would see us in a much better place for the WCC, so far it seems not.

[Kyss4k]

I seen Felipe be better than Kimi at Ferrari, just as I seen Alonso be better than Massa not quite sure how you find that hard to understand or think it means anything much. Just we were told on here by many that replacing Felipe would see us in a much better place for the WCC, so far it seems not.

Jumping the gun a little bit? Kimi had bad setup in Australia and had a puncture caused by Magnussen today. Too early to judge him.

[Greig]

Jumping the gun a little bit? Kimi had bad setup in Australia and had a puncture caused by Magnussen today. Too early to judge him.

Yet when Felipe had any incident we were told it's cause he is bad at qual and starts in middle which causes more risk....bad setup is Kimi's job.

[FerrariF60]

:lol

& yet you seem to be trying really hard to convince/remind yourself that he indeed is better than Kimi.

We get it bro. You dig Fernando. lol. Its going his way in the driver face off so far so quit worrying already ! :lol

GREIG is NOT the only one here that thinks Alonso is better then ANY team mate he has had in his whole career...i'm on his side and also think the same

Fernando IS BY FAR the MOST complete driver on the grid...he's put the Ferrari's he's driven over these past 4 years (not including the F14T as it's still new) in places NO ONE could ever think of....

one has to look at what he did with the troublesome F2012 at the beginning of teh year for nearly half the season until they figured out the exhaust thingy....

the only one that started off better was the F138 last year, but due to wind tunnel misshaps and issues our development path was in LA LA land and nothing seemed to work hence losing ground on aero side of things...

this year, i think we have a SOLID chassis, a good working wind tunnel (or so we've been told by ferrari so far, we're gonna have to wait and see what the updates are gonna do when we slap them on teh car), all we need to figure out is the Power Unit's potential and hopefully is just a software issue we have to fix to be able to get more power out of it and match the likes or Mercedes power unit...because if it's the engine itself, WELL THEN I GUESS WE'RE KIND OF DONE FOR, as engine development it's FROZEN....but let's hope for the FORMER...


Forza....

[Greig]

Can you learn to spell my name correctly, or just not mention me thanks :-)

[PlatzdaTurbo]

Graig is NOT the only one here that thinks Alonso is better then ANY team mate he has had in his whole career...i'm on his side and also think the same

Fernando IS BY FAR the MOST complete driver on the grid...he's put the Ferrari's he's driven over these past 4 years (not including the F14T as it's still new) in places NO ONE could ever think of....

one has to look at what he did with the troublesome F2012 at the beginning of teh year for nearly half the season until they figured out the exhaust thingy....

the only one that started off better was the F138 last year, but due to wind tunnel misshaps and issues our development path was in LA LA land and nothing seemed to work hence losing ground on aero side of things...

this year, i think we have a SOLID chassis, a good working wind tunnel (or so we've been told by ferrari so far, we're gonna have to wait and see what the updates are gonna do when we slap them on teh car), all we need to figure out is the Power Unit's potential and hopefully is just a software issue we have to fix to be able to get more power out of it and match the likes or Mercedes power unit...because if it's the engine itself, WELL THEN I GUESS WE'RE KIND OF DONE FOR, as engine development it's FROZEN....but let's hope for the FORMER...


Forza....

Really dont care whose side you are on & all man. Am out of here

[FerrariF60]

Can you learn to spell my name correctly, or just not mention me thanks :-)

fixed, just for you....it happens Greig, when one's typing at a faster pace....LOLOLOLOL

[FerrariF60]

Really dont care whose side you are on & all man. Am out of here

see ya bud, have a good rest of the weekend, whatever is left of it.....kimiBOT

[SilverSpeed]

Sack 'm all and let's focus on 2015!

And let's all stay calm haha :-D.

[Kyss4k]

Yet when Felipe had any incident we were told it's cause he is bad at qual and starts in middle which causes more risk....bad setup is Kimi's job.

The difference being Kimi was new in Ferrari with less testing then Alonso, due to the reliability. I would give him time. Felipe was given a lot before people started to not be happy.

[Greig]

The difference being Kimi was new in Ferrari with less testing then Alonso, due to the reliability. I would give him time. Felipe was given a lot before people started to not be happy.

Surely you just apply the same standards? Felipe was hounded in 2006, 2007 etc etc

[LivingHitokiri]

The difference being Kimi was new in Ferrari with less testing then Alonso, due to the reliability. I would give him time. Felipe was given a lot before people started to not be happy.

But mate, kimi finished 12th, all that puncture and damaged floor and losing 1 and half minute due to it is just excuse ,right ?
Should i mention that he got lapped by mercedes ? i think we should sack Kimi and get Chilton instead, im sure he will do better than Raikkonen.

[Greig]

But mate, kimi finished 12th, all that puncture and damaged floor and losing 1 and half minute due to it is just excuse ,right ?
Should i mention that he got lapped by mercedes ? i think we should sack Kimi and get Chilton instead, im sure he will do better than Raikkonen.

Maybe you were not here last year, when Massa had any puncture or problem that caused him to finish behind he was useless, we must apply those standards to his replacement.

[PadGeT]

Surely you just apply the same standards? Felipe was hounded in 2006, 2007 etc etc
U forget that was Bridgestone era, Ferrari were competitive. Now dat Pirelli are here to stay in F1 for the forseeble future, Kimi is definite step up from Massa.

[LivingHitokiri]

Yet when Felipe had any incident we were told it's cause he is bad at qual and starts in middle which causes more risk....bad setup is Kimi's job.
So , when a driver delivers it becomes a team effort but when a driver got problems its his own fault, interesting. I guess all the mechanics providing data and instructing them during practices and races clearly got nothing on the setup involvement.



Surely you just apply the same standards? Felipe was hounded in 2006, 2007 etc etc
Yes, lets compare couple of years Felipe had with just 2 races on new regulations and while both these races had collision and technical problems.

[LivingHitokiri]

Maybe you were not here last year, when Massa had any puncture or problem that caused him to finish behind he was useless, we must apply those standards to his replacement.

Honestly, people didnt complain about Felipe just when he had problems with the car, it was his overall poor performance in the recent years that made people question him.
If you watched the race Kimi made a recovery taking into consideration how damaged his car was and how much time he lost. Compare kimi lap times and you will see the results.

[Kyss4k]

Surely you just apply the same standards? Felipe was hounded in 2006, 2007 etc etc

I won't be getting into the fight with you again Greig. I am over it and it's not worth my time. It's ok that we have different oppinions.

All I'm saying, Felipe was in Ferrari for a long time, he had great times, but he had bad ones. And he had those for quite a many seasons in a row. RAI had 2 bad races so far (sure, out of two), but it is early days. If his situation won't get better, don't worry, I'll get mad.

[Greig]

Honestly, people didnt complain about Felipe just when he had problems with the car

yes they really did, if what happened to Kimi today happened to Massa then he would be to blame for not qualifying higher, believe me.

[Greig]

I won't be getting into the fight with you again Greig. I am over it and it's not worth my time. It's ok that we have different oppinions.

All I'm saying, Felipe was in Ferrari for a long time, he had great times, but he had bad ones. And he had those for quite a many seasons in a row. RAI had 2 bad races so far (sure, out of two), but it is early days. If his situation won't get better, don't worry, I'll get mad.

2 bad races if you forget his previous contract with us ;-)

[LivingHitokiri]

yes they really did, if what happened to Kimi today happened to Massa then he would be to blame for not qualifying higher, believe me.

Then sorry but these people got no clue about racing, plus they are not Ferrari fans but just people that dislike Felipe , i cannot get any other explanation for it. My words may sound harsh but i find it hard to blame a driver especially when its not his fault.
It is like we blame Fernando for his DRS problem in last year Bahrain GP ....

[evo_spook]

I think they're both crap and should have gone for a fast junior to support Alonso :-p


Having a No1 and a good reliable side kick has always being the tried and trusted way, not sure why they altered it this time.

[Kyss4k]

2 bad races if you forget his previous contract with us ;-)

I was 100% sure you would come out with that. It was 5 years ago. There is nothing that could be carried from that time. F1 has changed, Ferrari has changed, Kimi has changed. It was almost a fresh start and I am willing to wait. As I was willing to wait with Felipe for 2 seasons actually. It was only in the mid 2012 when I began to doubt his abilities.

[Kyss4k]

I think they're both crap and should have gone for a fast junior to support Alonso :-p


Having a No1 and a good reliable side kick has always being the tried and trusted way, not sure why they altered it this time.

I still think we will regret for not getting Hulkenberg.

[Jas]

are people seriously considering the talents of raikonen....has hell frozen over

[radosav]

Alonso said that he will end his career at Ferrari, but i didn't expect his career will finish right after 2010. :D

[evo_spook]

are people seriously considering the talents of raikonen....has hell frozen over


I think with Kimi you're either a fan or not, a lot of times down to his attitude.

I think he can be fast on his day and have the perfect drive but these days they seem to be further apart.


I've never being a fan of his couldn't give **** attitude and not want to do sponsor work, in my min when your a F1 driver, paid millions in a Fan sport, it is part of the job and shouldn't be allowed to pick and chose what you want to do.

[PadGeT]

I think with Kimi you're either a fan or not, a lot of times down to his attitude.

I think he can be fast on his day and have the perfect drive but these days they seem to be further apart.


I've never being a fan of his couldn't give **** attitude and not want to do sponsor work, in my min when your a F1 driver, paid millions in a Fan sport, it is part of the job and shouldn't be allowed to pick and chose what you want to do.

I think Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari atm. His carefree and honest feedback is whats needed to stop politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team.

[Ed Harley]

Plus he does not seem to be any better than Massa at challenging Alonso.
It is rather difficult to do when your machinery is not working as it should as in Australia or when you lose a lap because of a puncture and a damaged car as in Sepang. But there are always some WCC points to try to get.

[F2008]

I don't blame Kimi, he is in the same boat as Massa was: superior teammate, average car and some bad luck.

[Hermann]

I think Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari atm. His carefree and honest feedback is whats needed to stop politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team.

Excuse me? :-E

[LivingHitokiri]

I think with Kimi you're either a fan or not, a lot of times down to his attitude.

I think he can be fast on his day and have the perfect drive but these days they seem to be further apart.


I've never being a fan of his couldn't give **** attitude and not want to do sponsor work, in my min when your a F1 driver, paid millions in a Fan sport, it is part of the job and shouldn't be allowed to pick and chose what you want to do.
How many times people should explain that , talking little =/= giving a **** ? Just because he doesn't like to talk much or do PR in general it doesn't mean he doesn't cares , if he didn't care he wouldn't race,simple as that .
Yet you see him working with mechanics, trying to solve problems with the car and trying the best to race so how exactly he " doesnt care" as you claim ?

[Ed Harley]

How many times people should explain that , talking little =/= giving a **** ? Just because he doesn't like to talk much or do PR in general it doesn't mean he doesn't cares , if he didn't care he wouldn't race,simple as that .
Yet you see him working with mechanics, trying to solve problems with the car and trying the best to race so how exactly he " doesnt care" as you claim ?
Perhaps he should just wave his hands more and speak more nonsense to produce a more European flavor to his personality.

[bonzo]

I think Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari atm. His carefree and honest feedback is whats needed to stop politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team.

Spot on!!!:thumb

[PadGeT]

Excuse me? :-E

Where do u want clarity?

[LivingHitokiri]

Perhaps he should just wave his hands more and speak more nonsense to produce a more European flavor to his personality.

Next thing im gonna see is that because he wears black glasses instead of red it means that he doesn't like Ferrari or some other crazy ideas. I am exaggerating and i know it but this is becoming ridiculous.....
I get most of the Fins do no care about anything if we take their into accord how less talkative they are....

[Hermann]

Where do u want clarity?

Oh its nothing, i just thought you called Ferrari a Machiavelli team.

[Ed Harley]

Next thing im gonna see is that because he wears black glasses instead of red it means that he doesn't like Ferrari or some other crazy ideas. I am exaggerating and i know it but this is becoming ridiculous.....
I get most of the Fins do no care about anything if we take their into accord how less talkative they are....
I was hoping things would get better or at least neutral after New Year but the same prejudices and dislike just seems to exist.

[PadGeT]

Oh its nothing, i just thought you called Ferrari a Machiavelli team.

It is considering the Angeli family and their dealings with FIA. Why do u think Monte wanted Todt at helm in FIA, so dat they could get over the RRA and deals Mosely werent giving them!
& it shud be Machiavellian :-G

[Katu]

I was hoping things would get better or at least neutral after New Year but the same prejudices and dislike just seems to exist.

exactly the same way some kimi-fans have dislikes and prejudices towards Fernando. that's the way life is

[Suzie]

The double standards when it comes to Kimi at Ferrari and Felipe at Ferrari are hilarious! Excuses given for Kimi, plus Felipe getting criticised when he doesn't even drive for the team anymore :lol Someone please mention Suzuka 2005 just to really top things off for me.

[Stormsearcher]

I think Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari atm. His carefree and honest feedback is whats needed to stop politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team.

lol.. you cant be serious with that statement. Almost any driver in the paddock will drop everything to get a drive with Ferrari.

[PadGeT]

lol.. you cant be serious with that statement. Almost any driver in the paddock will drop everything to get a drive with Ferrari.

Ya dats my point, Ferrari needed not a starstruck driver driving for ferrari for the first time, they wanted someone who wouldn't give a **** and wouldn't hesitate to demand what he wants from engineers. Thats why Monte likened him to Lauda.

[LivingHitokiri]

The double standards when it comes to Kimi at Ferrari and Felipe at Ferrari are hilarious! Excuses given for Kimi, plus Felipe getting criticised when he doesn't even drive for the team anymore :lol Someone please mention Suzuka 2005 just to really top things off for me.
Which exactly double standards you're talking about ?

[Alonsomaniac]

Why this discussion about Kimi?
He has been with us for two races now, and if we are honest he has not even had a chance two show what he can do.
No, I don't expect him to be better than Fernando, but I don't think he will be behind Fernando very far in normal circumstances. He is a very good driver.
Yes, it is true that in Felipe's best years Kimi had to use all he had to keep up with Felipe and years later Fernando was a lot better than Felipe - but then Felipe was not at his very best anymore.
Just let Kimi settle in and then we will see what happens.

BTW: to those who think Ferrari needs Kimi more than the other way around: Ferrari does not need any specific driver, they can have any driver they want because every driver wants to drive for the Scuderia.

[PadGeT]

Why this discussion about Kimi?

BTW: to those who think Ferrari needs Kimi more than the other way around: Ferrari does not need any specific driver, they can have any driver they want because every driver wants to drive for the Scuderia.
We can't get Vettel even though he wants to join us somethime in the near future if we are competitive. Yes, other that almost every driver may want our seat, but it isn't our proirity, is it? We want to develop the fastest car , and Kimi being there will only help them in this critical time for Ferrari.
Also I believe it was a knock on effect from Allison's appointment. It was clear Allison wanted full developmental reign on his shoulder and no interference from Luca, and it helped that James-Kimi were the closest challenger to Newey-Vettel in the championships 2012-13.

[Giallo 550]

We can't get Vettel even though he wants to join us somethime in the near future if we are competitive. Yes, other that almost every driver may want our seat, but it isn't our proirity, is it? We want to develop the fastest car , and Kimi being there will only help them in this critical time for Ferrari.
Also I believe it was a knock on effect from Allison's appointment. It was clear Allison wanted full developmental reign on his shoulder and no interference from Luca, and it helped that James-Kimi were the closest challenger to Newey-Vettel in the championships 2012-13.

They can keep Vettel. Yeah, I said it. I'd rather have Rosberg.

[Majki2111]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C-iMCsCicdY

[PadGeT]

They can keep Vettel. Yeah, I said it. I'd rather have Rosberg.

Why Rosberg all of a sudden? :giveup

[Alesi1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C-iMCsCicdY

Wow, how about the power difference of rosberg merc. We got off the line better then it just steamed away

[Majki2111]

Weird sound in 2nd gear. Exactly when Fernando reaches 100 km/h.:Hmm:-E:-s:furious

[killer]

Weird sound in 2nd gear. Exactly when Fernando reaches 100 km/h.:Hmm:-E:-s:furious

ERS unit kicked in.

[Cheeseman]

Let me know when the Kimi bashing starts, I'm sharpening my keyboad. I will never understand why we even bothered with him again. Replacing Felipe for that numpty is one brainless decision I can't get my head around. Get rid of him, bring in Hulkenberg. That boy is class. He will do well with us

[yellowbird rs]

Super boring race.
I can't think a single positive thing about Ferrari performance or the race. I know at these forum a lot of people suffer the Ferrari cool aid syndrome and can't see any problem or have a thousand justifications but in reality Ferrari is overall in a bad shape and probably in an other bad season.

[Kingdom Hearts]

I think Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari atm. His carefree and honest feedback is whats needed to stop politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team.

So Alonso feedback is not honest and is only interested in playing politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team?.

[varun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C-iMCsCicdY

Looks really tough to drive,the F14-T even for the genius of Alonso and Kimi
:oops

[PadGeT]

So Alonso feedback is not honest and is only interested in playing politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team?.

I never questioned Alonso's feedback did I? I feel Alonso's performance often masked Ferrari's deficiencies. If Kimi can't challenge Alonso in races and quali, then it will only help Alonso letting Ferrari know that their car needs to improve.

[Hornet]

I think Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari atm. His carefree and honest feedback is whats needed to stop politics at the top brass in this Machiavelli f1 team.

Man I think you're on something :lol. The team was operating just fine without Kimi, no different now, and it will still carry on the same after Kimi.

You can't seriously think Kimi have any impact on how the team is being run:ouch



Which exactly double standards you're talking about ?
Massa have been taking a beating from the fans everytime he's on track for Ferrari. Spin in winter practice, Massa sucks. Qualify a couple places behind Alonso, Massa sucks. Finish behind Alonso, Massa sucks. Spinning in the wets, Massa sucks.

For many years these people blamed Massa for Ferrari being 2nd or 3rd in the WCC. Some even blamed Massa for not taking enough points away from Alonso's rival. They've been demanding that Massa gets fired.

Well this year they got what they wanted. No more Massa. But hey, look where we are in the title hunt. Nothing's changed, car is still bad, no miracle from Kimi that everyone expected Massa to do. But these people wouldn't admit it, that the problem was with the car and not the driver. Suddenly it's ok to these people for Kimi to do what Massa did.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Kimi is a bad driver, but neither was Massa. The problem has always been with the car, not the drivers. Without a good car, it doesn't matter who we have driving, the results will be the same.

[Cheeseman]

I never questioned Alonso's feedback did I? I feel Alonso's performance often masked Ferrari's deficiencies. If Kimi can't challenge Alonso in races and quali, then it will only help Alonso letting Ferrari know that their car needs to improve.

Alonso never masked any deficiencies, he extracts the best out of every package and shows Ferrari how quick the car can really go. But they would rather listen to Kimi about development right? To see why he is not as fast as Fernando and to keep the Machiavellis at bay? :lol If Kimi can't keep up in qualy or the races then it proves we are paying him way too much

[PadGeT]

Alonso never masked any deficiencies, he extracts the best out of every package and shows Ferrari how quick the car can really go. If Kimi can't keep up in qualy or the races then it proves we are paying him way too much

How do u think a guy like Riccardio goes and performs dat good on his first RBR outing? Its because the car is easy to reach its limit. Some cars don't have this, and it takes a certain style to make it look competitive which is in a narrow operating window for drivers. Its here Alonso excelled. So it does mask an inherent weakness in Ferrari- its narrow drivability, trick rear end twitching which keeps the driver guessing.

[PadGeT]

Man I think you're on something :lol. The team was operating just fine without Kimi, no different now, and it will still carry on the same after Kimi.

You can't seriously think Kimi have any impact on how the team is being run:ouch

I don't care whether its Kimi or Bianchi or whoever it is. As long as the team is properly directed technically i could care less whose impact is needed.
And yes I am on something. :oops

[Cheeseman]

How do u think a guy like Riccardio goes and performs dat good on his first RBR outing? Its because the car is easy to reach its limit. Some cars don't have this, and it takes a certain style to make it look competitive which is in a narrow operating window for drivers. Its here Alonso excelled. So it does mask an inherent weakness in Ferrari- its narrow drivability, trick rear end twitching which keeps the driver guessing.

Red Bull signed Ricciardo becuase they also thought he is better than Kimi. Basically what you're saying is the car needs to be perfect for Kimi to perform or he is nowhere. Was the same in 2008 and 2009, as soon as the car became a bit tricky Massa was quicker

[PadGeT]

Alonso never masked any deficiencies, he extracts the best out of every package and shows Ferrari how quick the car can really go. But they would rather listen to Kimi about development right? To see why he is not as fast as Fernando and to keep the Machiavellis at bay? :lol If Kimi can't keep up in qualy or the races then it proves we are paying him way too much

We paid Kimi much more earlier :-G
And Alonso receives the best deal on that front.

[PadGeT]

Red Bull signed Ricciardo becuase they also thought he is better than Kimi. Basically what you're saying is the car needs to be perfect for Kimi to perform or he is nowhere. Was the same in 2008 and 2009, as soon as the car became a bit tricky Massa was quicker

No he wasn't better than Kimi, they felt their driver programme would be vindicated with Ricciardo's arrival, also help Vettel to be the top dog der, which wouldnt be the case wid Kimi. Also less money to spend on Ric's wages

[Hornet]

I don't care whether its Kimi or Bianchi or whoever it is. As long as the team is properly directed technically i could care less whose impact is needed.
And yes I am on something. :oops

I believe that is up to the people who are responsible it managing the car's development. The drivers have their own responsibilities, but I doubt they decide or manages the development process.

[PadGeT]

I believe that is up to the people who are responsible it managing the car's development. The drivers have their own responsibilities, but I doubt they decide or manages the development process.

Who would be dumb enough to think driver manages development process? But he can play his part in accentuating the process.

[Senna4Ever]

I never questioned Alonso's feedback did I? I feel Alonso's performance often masked Ferrari's deficiencies. If Kimi can't challenge Alonso in races and quali, then it will only help Alonso letting Ferrari know that their car needs to improve.
:lol
so Kimi does the same job as Felipe did already ... to show that the car is mediocre and only a driver of the class of Alonso can compensate that lack? And Ferrari never trusted Felipe that it might be the car and not the driver? So that's what you say?

[PadGeT]

:lol
so Kimi does the same job as Felipe did already ... to show that the car is mediocre and only a driver of the class of Alonso can compensate that lack? And Ferrari never trusted Felipe that it might be the car and not the driver? So that's what you say?

Exactly as Ducati learnt wid Rossi and den Dovi!

[FFFerrari]

What on earth is going on here again? The driver bashing started already?

Kimi had an awful race thanks to one danish rookie causing a puncture. He did the best he could under those circumstances, without it he would have likely finished 5th or 6th. Felipe showed his true colors when he disobeyed a direct order from the team, we don't need that kind of drivers on our team.

[Black Adder]

What on earth is going on here again? The driver bashing started already?

Kimi had an awful race thanks to one danish rookie causing a puncture. He did the best he could under those circumstances, without it he would have likely finished 5th or 6th. Felipe showed his true colors when he disobeyed a direct order from the team, we don't need that kind of drivers on our team.

I totally agree with your comment. And for people bashing on Kimi on a Ferrari forum: who was Ferrari's' last world-champion? Please, show some respect for that!!

[Apocaly]

Hello

I am French , and I fan my Ferrari for 10 years . I apologize for my very bad english ( google translation , thank you !) .

Why Kimi Raikkonen is so bad as here? Many see it as a bad driver I feel.

He is a champion Ferrari . 77 podiums in Formula 1, if one of the five drivers of F1 history to have made ​​the most podium (behind Schumi , Prost, Senna and Alonso ), 20 victories him one of history 15 pilot fact had the most , and it was excellent to Mclaren , Lotus (Lotus 390 items in 2012 and 2013 , so that the third driver to register the most points in the last two years after Vettel and Alonso ) and large in Ferrari in 2007. In 2008, he participated in the championship with 75pt , and in 2009, he finished just 1 point after a late Hamilton pretty good season. Massa was better in 2008 and 2009, but Kimi was not bad. In 2014, he is not good in Australia, but in Malaysia , it has a good race pace but Magnussen rot him race in the early laps . Instead of supporting one of your drivers, you leave no chance. Kimi is world champion, and has a very good record, saying the contrary, must be blind. Kimi is not just "a good driver", but it is very good. A good pilot is not champion, has not almost 80 podiums and a score of victory. Honestly, with all due respect, who are you to question the talent of a driver like Raikkonen as Alonso, Hamilton, Schumacher and Vettel has enormous respect for him? I am not a "kimibot" I like the driver (not too cold character), I think Alonso is above.

.
ps: sorry for my english .

[Kyss4k]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C-iMCsCicdY

Notice, how when alonso shifted up to 8th gear, the engine was going in constant low revs. What is that? Fuel flow restriction? Engine power? Gear ratios wrong?

[Meiga]

I totally agree with your comment. And for people bashing on Kimi on a Ferrari forum: who was Ferrari's' last world-champion? Please, show some respect for that!!

I agree that bashing Raikkonen is poor; I also understand people who point out at his performance in order to defend Massa. You ask for respect for Raikkonen because of his status of last WDC with Ferrari, and that is very correct; but many in this forum feel Massa deserves respect because of his status of former Ferrari driver and proven loyalty to the team, and he very often did not get that respect.

In the past, some people mercilessly attacked Massa in order to justify that Raikkonen was back (as if there was any justification needed for hiring a top driver); some others even attacked Alonso for God knows what reason, as if Raikkonen being back in the team meant Alonso was not the driver that had outperformed the cars he was given over the past few years.

Now it seems that in the first races Raikkonen has found himself a bit where Massa so often found himself in the past years: with a not-so-competitive car and more than his share of bad luck. It is very unfair because we all know Raikkonen is better than he looked in Oz and Malaysia; but Massa was also better than he looked in past races. To add to that, with each race in which Ferrari is not close to the top the tifosi grow more restless, because it's been a long time without titles.

I would say that most people in this forum respect Alonso, Massa and Raikkonen, but comments such as "Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari" are bound to re-open some fresh wounds and start a post exchange that will result in attacks from one or another side.

[Hornet]

What on earth is going on here again? The driver bashing started already?

Kimi had an awful race thanks to one danish rookie causing a puncture. He did the best he could under those circumstances, without it he would have likely finished 5th or 6th. Felipe showed his true colors when he disobeyed a direct order from the team, we don't need that kind of drivers on our team.

Oh please. That 8 years Massa spent playing his part in Ferrari's team order including taking gear box penalty doesn't mean anything, but one botched attempt by Williams and now Massa showing his true colors?

I guess bashing Massa is a hard to quit habit for some.



I totally agree with your comment. And for people bashing on Kimi on a Ferrari forum: who was Ferrari's' last world-champion? Please, show some respect for that!!

Funny how you say people should respect Kimi for his past contributions, but agree to blind bashing against Massa who have contributed more to the team.:Hmm

[Wildcat]

God this car is unstable !

[Ed Harley]

Let me know when the Kimi bashing starts, I'm sharpening my keyboad. I will never understand why we even bothered with him again. Replacing Felipe for that numpty is one brainless decision I can't get my head around. Get rid of him, bring in Hulkenberg. That boy is class. He will do well with us
You seem to be at it already.

[Ed Harley]

God this car is unstable !
Yes, it seems to be quite a handful.

[FFFerrari]

Oh please. That 8 years Massa spent playing his part in Ferrari's team order including taking gear box penalty doesn't mean anything, but one botched attempt by Williams and now Massa showing his true colors? I guess bashing Massa is a hard to quit habit for some.

There is no I in TEAM. I guess Felipe lost his marbles when he heard the on the radio the magic words: "Valtteri is faster than you".

At the start of the race Felipe cried in the radio that Bottas should be kept behind him. Williams told Bottas to stand down and he did. At the end of the race the team asked Felipe to let Bottas to pass (when he had fresher tyres and cooler engine). What did he do? Defied the order. I'm just happy that he isn't causing trouble at the moment on Ferrari and truly hope that Sir Frank puts him in his place. The drivers drive for the team, first and foremost. Personal glory comes when it comes. And yes, Felipe was pretty compliant over the Ferrari years, but that doesn't mean I support him acting like an idiot now.

[Catalan]

I just think Kimi is a talented racer who needs the car fits to his style, while Alonso is able to " fight " versus his own car to turn it into " his " style and can develop it better. Examples: 2008 and 2009, Kimi was outperformed by Massa. 2012, Alonso takes a single seater which is light years behind Red Bull to fight for the title till the very last minute.

If the car is good, Kimi will deliver, if it's not he simply won't show up. Regarding Alonso, he'll shine with a poor car and will smash the opposition with a good car

This said, please don't kill Kimi. He was very unlucky yesterday.

[wisepie]

I agree that bashing Raikkonen is poor; I also understand people who point out at his performance in order to defend Massa. You ask for respect for Raikkonen because of his status of last WDC with Ferrari, and that is very correct; but many in this forum feel Massa deserves respect because of his status of former Ferrari driver and proven loyalty to the team, and he very often did not get that respect.

In the past, some people mercilessly attacked Massa in order to justify that Raikkonen was back (as if there was any justification needed for hiring a top driver); some others even attacked Alonso for God knows what reason, as if Raikkonen being back in the team meant Alonso was not the driver that had outperformed the cars he was given over the past few years.

Now it seems that in the first races Raikkonen has found himself a bit where Massa so often found himself in the past years: with a not-so-competitive car and more than his share of bad luck. It is very unfair because we all know Raikkonen is better than he looked in Oz and Malaysia; but Massa was also better than he looked in past races. To add to that, with each race in which Ferrari is not close to the top the tifosi grow more restless, because it's been a long time without titles.

I would say that most people in this forum respect Alonso, Massa and Raikkonen, but comments such as "Ferrari needs Kimi more than Kimi needs ferrari" are bound to re-open some fresh wounds and start a post exchange that will result in attacks from one or another side.
At last a reasoned perspective from you, Meiga, and I agree 100% with what you say. This criticism of our drivers isn't going to help our cause, we need a united front both from the team and tifosi aspect, not slagging everyone off for our own preferences.

[brava]

Notice, how when alonso shifted up to 8th gear, the engine was going in constant low revs. What is that? Fuel flow restriction? Engine power? Gear ratios wrong?

Highway overdrive :lol

[Cemz85]

Aren't they suppose to rev to 15k rpm, why only max 11,000rpm?

[SilverSpeed]

Fuel saving perhaps...

[Nova]

Bashing our drivers, hmmm..2 of the best racers in the world...
Did ya notice, the car isnt fast nor stable enough?

[diesel08]

Hello

I am French , and I fan my Ferrari for 10 years . I apologize for my very bad english ( google translation , thank you !) .

Why Kimi Raikkonen is so bad as here? Many see it as a bad driver I feel.

He is a champion Ferrari . 77 podiums in Formula 1, if one of the five drivers of F1 history to have made ​​the most podium (behind Schumi , Prost, Senna and Alonso ), 20 victories him one of history 15 pilot fact had the most , and it was excellent to Mclaren , Lotus (Lotus 390 items in 2012 and 2013 , so that the third driver to register the most points in the last two years after Vettel and Alonso ) and large in Ferrari in 2007. In 2008, he participated in the championship with 75pt , and in 2009, he finished just 1 point after a late Hamilton pretty good season. Massa was better in 2008 and 2009, but Kimi was not bad. In 2014, he is not good in Australia, but in Malaysia , it has a good race pace but Magnussen rot him race in the early laps . Instead of supporting one of your drivers, you leave no chance. Kimi is world champion, and has a very good record, saying the contrary, must be blind. Kimi is not just "a good driver", but it is very good. A good pilot is not champion, has not almost 80 podiums and a score of victory. Honestly, with all due respect, who are you to question the talent of a driver like Raikkonen as Alonso, Hamilton, Schumacher and Vettel has enormous respect for him? I am not a "kimibot" I like the driver (not too cold character), I think Alonso is above.

.
ps: sorry for my english .

good point :clap

[Masi-]

Aren't they suppose to rev to 15k rpm, why only max 11,000rpm?

Because of fuel flow limit. So there is no point rev much over 11,000rpm because you gain no more power after that.

[ritsukka]

why people here are talking all the time about Massa? He is gone and he is too old that he would ever come back to ferrari. So its time to say goodbye to your old buddy.Or you can support williams :)

[eddie]

Bashing our drivers, hmmm..2 of the best racers in the world...
Did ya notice, the car isnt fast nor stable enough?

Super agree, we have the 2 best drivers on the grid. We have a dog of a car

[Nova]

Super agree, we have the 2 best drivers on the grid. We have a dog of a car

I wouldnt call it a dog...its just not fast enough, or stable under braking, has low grip, slow acceleration,
sub par aero, did I mention that its not fast enough?

My question is...Why? They have stuck with a suspension that has more losses than wins, but have
very talented people and drivers....Could it be that Ferrari has too much bad politics going on...again?
Whatever is the problem, its not translating into a fast, race winning car.

[Ed Harley]

Perhaps they should rebuild KR's car with push rod suspension as a test mule with 2015 in mind. The whole aero probably would need to be redesigned as well.

[Dino]

Notice, how when alonso shifted up to 8th gear, the engine was going in constant low revs. What is that? Fuel flow restriction? Engine power? Gear ratios wrong?

Seems like too much drag.The car stops accelerating when it reaches 285 kph!!:Hmm
Bet the ugly nose has a lot to do with it.
Lots of wheelspin in second gear at start as well.

[eddie]

I wouldnt call it a dog...its just not fast enough, or stable under braking, has low grip, slow acceleration,
sub par aero, did I mention that its not fast enough?

My question is...Why? They have stuck with a suspension that has more losses than wins, but have
very talented people and drivers....Could it be that Ferrari has too much bad politics going on...again?
Whatever is the problem, its not translating into a fast, race winning car.

I would think the same. Something is really wrong at Maranello. We are a racing team with great history, experience and resources; And when start a brand new season with everyone virtually at zero and we are so far behind the Mercs engine cars on a new platform, something isn't just cooking well.

We could well see a lot of people being moved around again....

[Dino]

Perhaps they should rebuild KR's car with push rod suspension as a test mule with 2015 in mind. The whole aero probably would need to be redesigned as well.

That will require a new tub,and anyway the car's immediate problems are surely not the Pullrod suspension!!
Traction and top speed are the main problems.
Kimi was doing fine Friday and Saturday free practice in dry conditions,the first lap punture helped to show Ferrari how hard it it for us to overtake even the backmarkers!![Without blue flags]:Hmm

[Red is Best]

Wow, how about the power difference of rosberg merc. We got off the line better then it just steamed away

Traction out of slow corners looks awful. The power delivery doesn't seem smooth at all.

[Jas]

Just thinking about our deficits....low top speed and awfull, traction, that 100% rules out Monza, spa, monacco, Singapore...great!

[Jas]

NEWS IN FROM JAMES ALLINSON:

Following a mixed performance in Malaysia, Ferrari Technical Director, James Allison, insists that the team is pulling out all the stops in its efforts to catch Mercedes.


With the third round of the season just days away, Ferrari is unlikely to make any inroad to Mercedes advantage in Bahrain, but Allison insists that work continues on all fronts.

"We are working in a constant way and with the highest levels of dedication in all the areas of potential development," he said. "We brought a useful upgrade to the Malaysian GP and were duly rewarded with a more competitive performance than at the first race, but the whole team is in no doubt about the size of the challenge that remains ahead of us this season.

"We are not disregarding anything," he continued. "Much has been spoken about the new power units on the 2014 cars, but it is rarely mentioned that 1% of engine power is not so different in its effect on the stopwatch as 1% of aero efficiency.

"Our development programme will keep delivering steps to the efficiency of the F14-T; aero, power unit, mechanical grip - race by race these steps will help to hunt down those in front.

"If we can keep up the progress that we made between Melbourne and Malaysia then it will start to tell in both in grid positions and in the Championship."

[Jas]

calm and collected instead of the usual crap Stefano says (God I don't know why all off a sudden im getting annoyed at him)

[Nova]

I would think the same. Something is really wrong at Maranello. We are a racing team with great history, experience and resources; And when start a brand new season with everyone virtually at zero and we are so far behind the Mercs engine cars on a new platform, something isn't just cooking well.

We could well see a lot of people being moved around again....

But the car was better in Mal than Oz. Not by much but it was better. If they can step up race after race with development we may see a pretty good car.
Still cant figure how the Merc is able to drive away from everyone with the fuel rlimits. Plus I was never crazy about them dumping Aldo Costa. I always thought he was very good, plus his work at Merc is showing. Yes I know its not all him, but thats where he is. I have a feeling Ferrari will surprise.

[RedPassion]

Did you look at the Photo on Austosprint were a Red Bull Mechanic is without helmet at the pit stop??!!:-E

[REDARMYSOJA]

Red Bull was reprimanded for that, not sure if it included a fine.

[Rob]

Did you look at the Photo on Austosprint were a Red Bull Mechanic is without helmet at the pit stop??!!:-E

more than just a helmet...

http://i57.tinypic.com/2cgzdqt.jpg

[RedPassion]

more than just a helmet...

http://i57.tinypic.com/2cgzdqt.jpg
What a mess!!!!.I strongly believe that apart from the aerodynamics department and the budget Red Bull is quite a mediocre team,when i hear critics against Domenicali i often try to imagine where Horner and Materschitz would be without Newey and Prodromou.Its hilarious how everyone was critisizing Ferrari for Germany 2010 when everyone is using team order,the only difference is that in Ferrari team orders are respected without discussion and the all team works like a swiss clock.

[Winter]

What a mess!!!!.I strongly believe that apart from the aerodynamics department and the budget Red Bull is quite a mediocre team,when i hear critics against Domenicali i often try to imagine where Horner and Materschitz would be without Newey and Prodromou.Its hilarious how everyone was critisizing Ferrari for Germany 2010 when everyone is using team order,the only difference is that in Ferrari team orders are respected without discussion and the all team works like a swiss clock.

Ok. What that little accident tells to me is, maybe they are just mortals after all.. Even they screw things sometimes :roll

[RedPassion]

Ok. What that little accident tells to me is, maybe they are just mortals after all.. Even they screw things sometimes :roll
Of course, it was not my intention to bash on the mechanics,was just pointing out that if that would happen to us as often as it happens to Red Bull we would be screwed,but in all fortune we have the best track team and organization.

[Firnas]

It is very funny to see Lewis trying to hide his baldness after removing his helmet & in the podium when he has to remove the cap. He was frowning to make his forehead smaller, pulling his hair down etc. If he accept the fact that he is little bit bald, then he doesn't have to be so funny which makes things worse for him in our eyes.

[killer]

But the car was better in Mal than Oz. Not by much but it was better.

Braking? Kimi didn't struggle with the brakes like he did in Melbourne. The start was pretty much the same.

Frustrated with the Kimi and K-Mag incident; we may have seen better points. More frustrated that Fernando has so far had to hold back for 3/4 of the race so he can have a good go at the end. Kimi seems to like the car better in the early stages, though.

[Stormsearcher]

more than just a helmet...

http://i57.tinypic.com/2cgzdqt.jpg

looks like Mark Webber to me. :lol

[SilverSpeed]

http://pitlanetalk.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/kimi-raikkonens-problems-at-ferrari-explained/

[M.K]

That looks like towel around guys neck, maybe he just came out of shower.

[Senna4Ever]

http://pitlanetalk.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/kimi-raikkonens-problems-at-ferrari-explained/

:lol

especially last paragraph


Fernando Alonso is able to cope with the system a lot easier, having raced with a pull-rod suspension at Minardi in 2001. Which is probably why Ferrari decided to reinstall the system to make the Spaniard more comfortable in the car.

so because Alonso raced 2001 with a pull-rod in a Minardi, he desired this pull-rod suspension so much (nearly ten years after) that he forced Ferrari to go this way ... with all the problems?
How was this man just able to get 2x WDC without his desired pull-rod?

I hop Ferrari can just produce the parts Kimi needs ... if doesn't work maybe change the cooking as it might also be in Alonso favour ...

[Senna4Ever]

General question: if such a situation happens again like Kimi was, and say the car hasn't any damage at all and could retrieve full performance. With this 100kg/h flow limit would it ever be possible to really catch up like the years before? As due to this flow limitation you will be penalized twice: first by getting hit by another driver and fall back and second you're limited due the fuel flow limitation and you can't go full power to close the gap ...

right?

[RedPassion]

:lol

especially last paragraph



so because Alonso raced 2001 with a pull-rod in a Minardi, he desired this pull-rod suspension so much (nearly ten years after) that he forced Ferrari to go this way ... with all the problems?
How was this man just able to get 2x WDC without his desired pull-rod?

I hop Ferrari can just produce the parts Kimi needs ... if doesn't work maybe change the cooking as it might also be in Alonso favour ...
Yeah it seems quite Ted Notebooks quality,he doesnt really know whats he s talking about.Ferrari never had stubborn understeer on purpose after Schumacher departure as we always had drivers with the same preference,a pointy car tending to oversteer,the first understeering driver was Alonso.This doesnt mean that the F150th or the F2012 where designed for him for no teams want that much understeer,driver preferences are normally set up adaptations no team build a clearly understeering or oversteering car on purpose for it means you are building a basically slow car.

[Hornet]

http://pitlanetalk.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/kimi-raikkonens-problems-at-ferrari-explained/

A whole lot of hot air. I don't see Ferrari mechanics rushing to change the setup during free practice. In terms of suspension performance, there's no difference between push rod and pull rod.

Time and again, designers have said they design the fastest car possible, there is no such thing as designing a car to a driver's liking. Setup changes is where a car tuned to a driver's style, not the design. But of course people keep ignoring this and continue throwing claims that a car is design for a driver and leave the other out in the cold

[PadGeT]

:haha:
Wow. Stefano shud hire these front suspension geniuses.

[Senna4Ever]

:haha:
Wow. Stefano shud hire these front suspension geniuses.

Stefano will contact you ...

[PadGeT]

Stefano will contact you ...

Why should he?
By da way my comment was directed to the writer of that article. Anyone knows how credible his words are?

[mark p]

Been waiting for the bs about pulllrod to start. Seems like every possible issue has been put forward and now we are back on everyones favourite.

[Senna4Ever]

Why should he?


why not ... ?
But sorry ... I wasn't clear who you address with
Stefano shud hire these front suspension geniuses

if you're looking to this private blog you don't see much activity in terms of reports. So maybe he is busy in the pits or same @home expert like many of us ...

[Nova]

A whole lot of hot air. I don't see Ferrari mechanics rushing to change the setup during free practice. In terms of suspension performance, there's no difference between push rod and pull rod.

Time and again, designers have said they design the fastest car possible, there is no such thing as designing a car to a driver's liking. Setup changes is where a car tuned to a driver's style, not the design. But of course people keep ignoring this and continue throwing claims that a car is design for a driver and leave the other out in the cold

Regarding the suspension, I look at "how many Championship cars have won their championships using this suspension?" Of course a lot of it is the driver, but also the car.
I dont recall 1 wcc car that utilized this setup. What r we talking..Minardi? Add to that that the car looks like it handles poorly only reinforces my opinion. Look at the most stable looking car out there, RB.

The following disclaimer is added to prevent any bashing I may recieve for voicing my opinion: I am NOT a suspension guru :-D

[eddie]

more than just a helmet...

http://i57.tinypic.com/2cgzdqt.jpg

That's another 10 place grid demotion. Violation of safety protocol... :lol Towel guy is illegal... :rotfl

[Ed Harley]

According to latest news the F14 T design is to be changed to a driver's liking with different parts. It is my understanding that this change is related to front suspension.

[Hornet]

Regarding the suspension, I look at "how many Championship cars have won their championships using this suspension?" Of course a lot of it is the driver, but also the car.
I dont recall 1 wcc car that utilized this setup. What r we talking..Minardi? Add to that that the car looks like it handles poorly only reinforces my opinion. Look at the most stable looking car out there, RB.

The following disclaimer is added to prevent any bashing I may recieve for voicing my opinion: I am NOT a suspension guru :-D

Well I don't think the type of suspension has major effect on a car's total performance. It just so happens the last team to use it prior to Ferrari reintroducing it were bad teams that would have had issues regardless of which suspension they use.

Anyway Scarbs did an analysis on Ferrari's suspension back in 2012 here, and Fry said it's lighter, lower center of gravity, and aero benefits. Although it's 2012, I'd imagine Ferrari is keeping this pull rod layout for the same reasons till today.

Here Scarbs explain the aero advantage our suspension have.

A mention of front suspension in the cars launch analysis will be unique to Ferrari this year, as they have revisited an old direction with its layout. Every other car for well over ten years has had pushrod front suspension, but Ferrari has revived the pullrod set up for the front of the car.

This effectively turns the pushrod set up upside down, now the rod passes down from the upper wishbone and connects with the rocker, which is now mounted at the bottom of the chassis. According to Fry, this set up is a little lighter and has a slightly lower Centre of Gravity. These gains alone will not pay for the systems inclusion on the car, so the team claim to have found an aero benefit. The pullrod can be thinner, but the real gain is the pullrod is mounted near horizontal across the front suspension. This places it in line with the upwash from the front wing. Just as with the wishbones, its profile can be subtly altered within the rules to help control the wake from the wing and improve the airflow over the rear of the car. Despite appearances the pullrod is as effective in moving the rocker for a given wheel travel as a pushrod. The important factor is the angle between the rod and the wishbone is connected to, rather than the rods angle to the chassis. I’ll explain a lot more pull rod suspension in a subsequent article.

http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2012/02/23/launch-analysis-ferrari-f2012/

As far as mechanical performance goes, they are the same

[Rob]

According to latest news the F14 T design is to be changed to a driver's liking with different parts. It is my understanding that this change is related to front suspension.

;-)