Bahrain GP 2014 Race Thread

[Rob]

one positive, both cars finished.

[paneristi]

+ another 1



Really hope LdM got on the phone to Brawn. He can fix this mess that Domenicali has created.
+1

[Fer138]

what did he say?

Basically team did a great job with what they had and everyone will be working hard 24 hours a day to get better in China. Nothing wrong at all and great for Fernando trying to keep the spirits up. Think it was the NBC commentator trying to stir things with mentioning the Luca "scolding" Fernando incident last year.

[Nero Horse]

Sometimes such a disaster is needed for a big reaction, it's like when a top football team gets beaten 7-0...then a big reaction simply has to come, and hopefully this will be the decisive wake up call for Ferrari. We need to push now harder than ever and start bringing lots of updates on the car. Fortunately there will be a two week gap between Bahrain and China, so hopefully the guys will bring some good updates for the next race, because this kind of poor performance cannot continue any longer, and I'm sure that everybody at Ferrari knows that and are doing everything they can to turn this around. Come on guys!!!

[Schumiklub]

one positive, both cars finished.

That's the only positive thing in this race.

[Kyss4k]

It was probably just a cramp in his hand...

[Rob]

Basically team did a great job with what they had and everyone will be working hard 24 hours a day to get better in China. Nothing wrong at all and great for Fernando trying to keep the spirits up. Think it was the NBC commentator trying to stir things with mentioning the Luca "scolding" Fernando incident last year.

:thumb

End of day, as bad as it is, all the frustrations, and the hurt. The team is feeling it aswell.

[eddie]

think he showing his displeasure :-??

Not good :-?? not good for the team, he was really quite the opposite last week.

Did something fail between last week and this week, the drivers seemed happy last week

[sachin]

Alonso may well leave Ferrari if qll this goes on, and seriously it would be sad to see him go as 2 time WDC..
He deserves more...

[Hornet]

Basically that the car is lacking top end and aerodynamics, and that everyone will be working hard to make the car competitive in China.

I assume that's from the post race interview.

I highly doubt Luca was watching or even taking interest in our driver's post race interview. Luca himself looked very disappointed when he was shown on TV walking away. Heard he left the track early.

[FerrariFanBoii]

These 'celebrity' interviews on the podium are a joke.... Nothing to do with the sport of F1, if they HAVE to do it, make it old drivers, not has been singers...

[Giallo 550]

Those Williams Martini outfits are SHARP! Really digging the livery.

[eddie]

:thumb

End of day, as bad as it is, all the frustrations, and the hurt. The team is feeling it aswell.

I agree, who wants to be Domenicalli now.... he has the hottest chair and the pressure will wake anyone up every night...

So I think we should try and support the team although we know that things are bad if not worst than expected.

Asking for resignation, slating certain team members aint going to help.. it just makes it worst. We have seen this and I personally think, Ferrari loss a few good guys because people (sponsors / influential fans called for sacking..

[Nero Horse]

Look on the bright side...we are not McLaren :-)

Indeed, the fact that both Macca's retired is one of the positive things to take from this race, for me at least.

[eddie]

Those Williams Martini outfits are SHARP!

I got their gear, very cool and a big fan of Martini Racing... very Porsche as well

[paneristi]

anyone has clip of Luca's expression?

[RedRebel40]

Really hope LdM got on the phone to Brawn. He can fix this mess that Domenicali has created.

amen.

[Kyss4k]

I agree, who wants to be Domenicalli now.... he has the hottest chair and the pressure will wake anyone up every night...

So I think we should try and support the team although we know that things are bad if not worst than expected.

Asking for resignation, slating certain team members aint going to help.. it just makes it worst. We have seen this and I personally think, Ferrari loss a few good guys because people (sponsors / influential fans called for sacking..

It's his own fault that he is sitting on that "hot chair". He did not manage to build a strong team after all these years.

[RedPassion]

I think its painfully obvious that we have the 3rd PU,and like they said in Austrian TV that Renault and Red Bull are not telling the truth about the 60-80 HP deficit,their only problem could be consuption,but their PU is much nearer to the Mercedes one than the Ferrari one.

[eddie]

It was probably just a cramp in his hand...

Visor tear off... If I am Alonso, I would say that (cheeky)

[RedPassion]

It's his own fault that he is sitting on that "hot chair". He did not manage to build a strong team after all these years.
Actually we have a very strong team that is not delivering,thats even more alarming,what a waste of money,cmon Scuderia where is your pride!!!??

[J288GTO]

one positive, both cars finished.

A big positive.

I don't think we are a million miles away. We can develop better than Williams, Force India and McLaren so that leaves Red Bull and the Mercs as the main target. Hopefully the Merc engine is not bulletproof all year and we get more of a handle on our own engine.

Another positive is the race itself was a belter! Vettel got tanked and the Mercs had a great ding dong battle. Fuel seems less of an issue race by race which is a plus.

[Kyss4k]

Actually we have a very strong team that is not delivering,thats even more alarming,what a waste of money,cmon Scuderia where is your pride!!!??

There is no such thing like strong team which is not delivering. If we have a strong team, with good brains, there is no reason why we would not build superb car.

[Ferrarikkonen]

Can we develop the engines? Are the engine developments frozen for the year? Does that mean its finished story?

[IulianFerrari]

We have the right to voice our opinion and discontent. That is the purpose of internet forums like this.

In the end, anything we say, whether it's good or bad, is fruitless. The team will make their own decisions. That is pretty obvious though.
+1. I think it's like this you either cry about it or do something about it. The team should do something about it because they have the ability to. We are on a forum, simple guys who watch the race we can't do anything about Ferrari's poor form. So if people want to cry and biitch about that performance i can fully understand that.

[Kyss4k]

Can we develop the engines? Are the engine developments frozen for the year? Does that mean its finished story?

It's frozen.

[RedRebel40]

Can we develop the engines? Are the engine developments frozen for the year? Does that mean its finished story?
yes the engines are frozen since 28 February 2014 unless there are some reliability problems on the engine.

[Alessandra]

I couldn’t bear to watch this race, went out instead. but just caught the last 7 laps (accidentally!).
I’ve read everything on this thread up until this point and clearly it was the nightmare I feared from Ferrari’s point of view.
Just one thing, it’s not a co-incidence that all Merc supplied cars (I think, not having actually seen it) were in the top 6/7/8 places.
What Mercedes has done has been very clever from the engineering point of view and all the cars that they supplied had ample time to do the same or very similar things, hence the current outrageous situation.
Presumably, Lotus and Ferrari now are fully aware of what was done too.
The question now is, do we have the wherewithal to copy that into our car in sufficient time to give us a chance of the two world championships this year, or do we just humiliate our two world-class drivers for the year and start planning the 2015 car now?

PS how far was Ross Brawn involved in that Merc power unit set up? I imagine we have his phone number?

[hogo]

Oh so this is how it ended... I turned off TV after one of FI overtook Alonso (my reaction was pretty much the same as LdMs). Props to the guys who could endure the pain better than me and watched this disgrace to the end.

[Nero Horse]

Ferrari is currently on 5th place in the Constructor's championship standings... *sigh* :roll

[The Hajj]

Can we develop the engines? Are the engine developments frozen for the year? Does that mean its finished story?

Think about how ridiculous F1 has become when the above comment needs to be addressed.

The highest form of Motorsport now prevents engine development. What a farce !!!

[Kyss4k]

Think about how ridiculous F1 has become when the above comment needs to be addressed.

The highest form of Motorsport now prevents engine development. What a farce !!!

This is the case for sooo many years already, not just now. And it is same for everybody.

[Katu]

if Nico looks so glum after P2, what our boys look like?

[sachin]

Ok is it any way possible we can even close gap to mercs in 2015?..

Or this rubbish of "freeze" of engine will go on?

[Nero Horse]

Can we develop the engines? Are the engine developments frozen for the year? Does that mean its finished story?


It's frozen.

We can still put updates on the engine if the team can prove that it will improve reliability or fuel consumption. Martin Brundle said that all the engine manufacturers will still try to find ways to improve the engine performance all the time, despite the homologation.

[Red is Best]

From la Gazzetta dello Sport:

"Mi sembra che non ci sia più molto da vedere. Siamo troppo lenti sul rettilineo, c'è mancanza di potenza, non mi aspettavo molto da questa corsa ma qualcosa in più si, vediamo". Con queste parole il presidente della Ferrari, Luca Di Montezemolo ha lasciato il circuito di Sakir prima della conclusione del Gp del Bahrain. "Vedere una Ferrari così lenta sul rettilineo mi dà dolore - ha poi aggiunto -. Dobbiamo lavorare, bisogna che i motoristi ci mettano una marcia in più. Abbiamo diverse cose da provare in settimana, ma non mi piace vedere la Ferrari in questa posizione", riferendosi ai piazzamenti in gara di Alonso e Raikkonen, che hanno chiuso, rispettivamente, 9° e 10°.

"I think there's not much more to see. We are too slow on the straights, we lack power. I didn't have high hopes for this race, but I was expecting something more. We'll see." Those were the words of LDM, who left the track before the end of the race. "Seeing a Ferrari that slow on the straights is something painful. We have to work, the engine guys must move up a gear. We have different things to try out this week, but I don't like seeing Ferrari in this position" he said following the results of Alonso and Raikonnen, who finished the race in 9th and 10th position.

[RedPassion]

There is no such thing like strong team which is not delivering. If we have a strong team, with good brains, there is no reason why we would not build superb car.
But its very bitter to aknowledge it:-(
The only good thing is that Ricciardo is faster than Vettel for the third race in a row now,4 time champion my goodness.

[eddie]

if Nico looks so glum after P2, what our boys look like?

No complains for Kimi, Lotus much worst actually fell down to the Caterham leaque.. Lol! :-P

[Kyss4k]

We can still put updates on the engine if the team can prove that it will improve reliability or fuel consumption. Martin Brundle said that all the engine manufacturers will still try to find ways to improve the engine performance all the time, despite the homologation.

All of them will, don't forget about that. So even Mercedes will probably get more out of their engine. It's not like they will be waiting for us.

And searching for unreliable areas when we were focusing on building an reliable engine...

[eddie]

But its very bitter to aknowledge it:-(
The only good thing is that Ricciardo is faster than Vettel for the third race in a row now,4 time champion my goodness.

Now we know how good Vettel really is... OZ payback!

[uvaman]

I suggest that Ferrari F1 go to GP2, we'll have a lot more chance to win :-D:-D:-D

[Gerard]

Ferrari should quit F1 and concentrate on a type of racing that is relevant to their road cars. Laferrari? Batteries? Hybrids? Power units (instead of engines)? This is foreign to my thinking and, it seems, to the Ferrari purpose.

[Avanti_Alonso]

http://i.minus.com/iI7XPN5ItbH6V.gif

[Rob]

http://i.minus.com/iI7XPN5ItbH6V.gif

looking at it again, just looks like he happy to finish.

[DIEK]

anyone has clip of Luca's expression?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkjDk91CAAADgPM.jpg

[Kyss4k]

Ferrari should quit F1 and concentrate on a type of racing that are relevant to their road cars. Laferrari? Batteries? Hybrids? Power units (instead of engines)? This is foreign to my thinking and, it seems, to the Ferrari purpose.

Ferrari can't live in the past.

[DIEK]

looking at it again, just looks like he happy to finish.

"At least arrive!" :-D

[LivingHitokiri]

looking at it again, just looks like he happy to finish.

This gesture was either sarcastic or him showing his frustration, i see no reason for Fernando to even think of happiness at that point .
Like i've said, both drivers showed displeasure throughout the race either on team radio,dancing with the car or waving.....

[Kyss4k]

"At least arrive!" :-D

More like "Yay, it's finally over"

[Katu]

btw seems like Chilton is developing, good for Marussia

[Nero Horse]

All of them will, don't forget about that. So even Mercedes will probably get more out of their engine. It's not like they will be waiting for us.

And searching for unreliable areas when we were focusing on building an reliable engine...

Did I say that Merc will be waiting for us??? Read my comment again, I clearly said "ALL ENGINE MANUFACTURERS". So yes, Merc can improve their engine just as we can also.

[paneristi]

thanks! looks like he was thinking about Enzo's last message to him..thinking hard
...

[Sanomas]

Well... Race has been finished!

It was SO boring for me, but teammates fights was really fun to watch, I almost going to believe that Nico could pass Lewis and won the race... Button race didn't go so well and what a crash! I'm glad to see that drivers are well... Oh and I think Bahrain race in the night wasn't exciting to see, I prefer to see day time for race... that's just my opinion!

With Ferrari team, the result is not as I excepted but I am happy with it, there is lot of things to do, we had a good race in Bahrain and I'm sure next races would be better...

[Kyss4k]

Did I say that Merc will be waiting for us??? Read my comment again, I clearly said "ALL ENGINE MANUFACTURERS". So yes, Merc can improve their engine just as we can also.

My appolgies.

[Nero Horse]

I suggest that Ferrari F1 go to GP2, we'll have a lot more chance to win :-D:-D:-D

These stupid annoying sarcastic jokes are just making things worse! Go make your jokes somewhere else. :-??

[Schumiklub]

Our fastest lap 2.4 seconds down on Mercedes

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2014/916/7329/fastest_laps.html

[Golfsmith]

Whoever let Aldo leave the team needs their head examined.

The wrong person left Ferrari on his own will and not asked to leave,tell me something big are wrong at Ferrari F1 management.


doménicali,tombazis
They need to go,tombazis don't look like a good all round car designer to the team.

[SashAlex]

Unacceptable... What else are we gonna hear next? We'll do our best to improve the situation, the car etc. etc.

If it wasn't for Fernando all these years, we'd have a different management by now, surely a better one.

Oh well... Futile words...

A race to forget...

[Cheeseman]

It was a bit embarrassing the amount of times both Ferrari's locked up under braking in the first few laps. The power delivery on that Ferrari is very poor, Kimi got mugged a few times coming out of the turn 8 hairpin and cars just driving straight past him. I hope Ferrari can rescue this dire situation, I still have faith.

[Katu]

Unacceptable... What else are we gonna hear next? We'll do our best to improve the situation, the car etc. etc.

If it wasn't for Fernando all these years, we'd have a different management by now, surely a better one.

Oh well... Futile words...

A race to forget...
so actually the fact that Ferrari sucks now is basicly because Fernando is too good driver

[paneristi]

Ferrari = F1
Ferrari should quit F1 and concentrate on a type of racing that is relevant to their road cars. Laferrari? Batteries? Hybrids? Power units (instead of engines)? This is foreign to my thinking and, it seems, to the Ferrari purpose.

[sachin]

These stupid annoying sarcastic jokes are just making things worse! Go make your jokes somewhere else. :-??

Exactly..what rubbish of Ferrari going to other categories...
F1 is no where without Ferrari..even those people who dont know F1 know there is something called THE Ferrari team.
But yeah,we seriously need to do something for next year..better leave 2014 car and invest for 2015 like mercs did for 2014

[uvaman]

These stupid annoying sarcastic jokes are just making things worse! Go make your jokes somewhere else. :-??

I need to poke a little bit but that's the fact atm :) Even if I am sarcastic :P

[Katu]

only 3 penalty points for Maldonando? unbelievable, he is a danger for everyone

[paneristi]

Looks like you are in the wrong forum

I suggest that Ferrari F1 go to GP2, we'll have a lot more chance to win :-D:-D:-D

[LivingHitokiri]

only 3 penalty points for Maldonando? unbelievable, he is a danger for everyone
i was so sure that he would get black flagged after this, what else must he do to get such punishment, kill someone ?

[alfaromeo]

No kidding , this is the game that I have the last 15 years the most difficult to watch . About Mercedes I do not even talk because it seemed to have come from the planet earth but from another planet. Are faster than the competition somewhere for 2s per round. It may be that the Mercedes driver this year, winning all races . Alonso maneuver at the end of the race says it all what he thinks about the current situation in the Ferrari , but did not say it out loud . I think that we are returning in 80-90 years , where the Ferrari struggled to 5,6,7,9 ...... cities in the race . Force India , Williams, as well as Mclaren are a joke overtook the two Ferraris . First of all, we should replace the lead Ferrari , because since 2008 we hear the same stories. Luca di Montezemolo now meets with JT and BE and cries, how the engines are too low , etc. . So what do you want in the past has pronounced on the aerodynamics now on the powertrain , which is catastrophic as it is seen today in the race . I do not know what is going wrong in Ferrari from the acquisition of the LD The British came in the team ( Fray , Allison ) , and no better . We lost Aldo Costa , who now works excellent job in Mercedes . I do not know what to do next and I do not think more words in the leading Ferrari in the improvement of China and Barcelona.

[RedPassion]

Looks like you are in the wrong forum

:spam:ban

[hogo]

Our fastest lap 2.4 seconds down on Mercedes

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2014/916/7329/fastest_laps.html

Its not that bad, Hulk with FI in 3rd place is 1.7s down on Mercedes. Mercs have way bigger advantage over other teams than RedBull or Brawn GP ever had. FIA should step in asap or this season will be a bore. How could they do it? Well let Ferrari/Renault develop their PUs while ban Mercs from doing the same.

[Laferrari]

Fastest time show you what pace has mercedes in pocket 2 sec in front of redbull and 2.4 in front of us....absolute silver rocketship more than the redbull from 2011 or the redbull from the second part of the champ 2013....what a master car ,shocking great job to a dream time with willis,costa,wolf,brawn....Redbull will be owned this year no one will recover this gap.

[J288GTO]

From la Gazzetta dello Sport:

"I think there's not much more to see. We are too slow on the straights, we lack power. I didn't have high hopes for this race, but I was expecting something more. We'll see." Those were the words of LDM, who left the track before the end of the race. "Seeing a Ferrari that slow on the straights is something painful. We have to work, the engine guys must move up a gear. We have different things to try out this week, but I don't like seeing Ferrari in this position" he said following the results of Alonso and Raikonnen, who finished the race in 9th and 10th position.

That is especially hard to take. I know we haven't got the best aero team and we are always lacking in that department but the engine should be worthy of the name. Our engine guys have a lot of work to do and I have faith they will make big leaps in performance(disguised as reliability improvements of course). ;)

[NikJitendran]

This is just SAD. Period. I head Sky's pit Commentator say that the problem is with the aerodynamics of the day.
So we're actually getting doubled teamed by the aerodynamics as well as the "Low Power" engine we've developed. This racing season is going from bad to worse for us. Any lads think we'll be able to turn things around by Monza at least?

[SashAlex]

so actually the fact that Ferrari sucks now is basicly because Fernando is too good driver

It's because he saved Domenicalli's but by driving his life out in a car always 3rd or even 4th fastest.

[Nero Horse]

I need to poke a little bit but that's the fact atm :) Even if I am sarcastic :P

No, you really don't need to poke anything! We all know that the situation is really poor and so we're all in a bad mood already, and your little stupid jokes are misplaced and are just making it worse.

[RedPassion]

This gesture was either sarcastic or him showing his frustration, i see no reason for Fernando to even think of happiness at that point .
Like i've said, both drivers showed displeasure throughout the race either on team radio,dancing with the car or waving.....

It was terrible.He is manifesting more than ever his dislike,i think he should leave i sincerely think that,a waste of talent.

[Kyss4k]

Its not that bad, Hulk with FI in 3rd place is 1.7s down on Mercedes. Mercs have way bigger advantage over other teams than RedBull or Brawn GP ever had. FIA should step in asap or this season will be a bore. How could they do it? Well let Ferrari/Renault develop their PUs while ban Mercs from doing the same. Wat about Ferrari step up and build a propper racer? We are always finding ways to get on top other then by our pace. Everything is against Ferrari, first it's aerodynamics, then power units. They have done better job, they should not be punished for it. We would not want to be punished if we were in their possition would we?

[Katu]

ricciardo's smile is as annoying as vettel's finger is, but sadly we see it even when he isn't winning

[sachin]

Looks like stories of 900hp of merc is true..2.x sec per lap is ridiculous.
Surely this cant go on.

[dpiatto]

Great racing between the Merc powered teams but doubt this would have been so entertaining without Maldonado’s contribution to bring out the safety car.
I honestly don’t see any way of Ferrari making much progress this year with the rules in lockdown so I guess we either sit and watch some great battles between Rosberg and Hamilton, enjoy the Merc minnows (Force India , Williams etc) scrap for the leftovers or switch off and watch FIA Enduro to see Ferrari’s with any chance of winning.

[LivingHitokiri]

It was terrible.He is manifesting more than ever his dislike,i think he should leave i sincerely think that,a waste of talent.

I would agree with you but, can we really criticize our drivers being frustrated at this point,especially Fernando who endured this for couple of years ?
There are also some reports that LDM went before the race into Fernanado's room and threw out his physical therapist out of the room so they can talk.
is this really necessary ?

[NikJitendran]

Looks like stories of 900hp of merc is true..2.x sec per lap is ridiculous.
Surely this cant go on.

:D Explains Tito's smug smile.

[Gerard]

Ferrari can't live in the past. We need not live in the past. We need to stay with a technology that we know well. Why is Merc streets ahead of us? Because they drew from a division that has vast experience with hybrid/battery/power unit technology. Ferrari has no such experience as has Lotus and Marussia and they also finished, just like Ferrari. Four teams finished ahead of us with both cars.

[Hornet]

Those Sky clowns must have missed the part where Luca said he wasn't seeking changes immediately, he's not looking to take away Merc advantage.

[Rob]

Those Sky clowns must have missed the part where Luca said he wasn't seeking changes immediately, he's not looking to take away Merc advantage.

only hear what they want to hear.

[Nero Horse]

Alonso has a very good poker face, it must be said...

[hogo]

Wat about Ferrari step up and build a propper racer? We are always finding ways to get on top other then by our pace. Everything is against Ferrari, first it's aerodynamics, then power units. They have done better job, they should not be punished for it. We would not want to be punished if we were in their possition would we?
Well you should know by now but Ferrari won't step up, unless they will start changing from inside. Anyway once there was a time when we were pushing innovations left and right, many of them got banned cos other teams complained. Now Ferrari should do the same, complain and try to get something banned. But they won't do it, Stefano is too noble for such games...

[Nero Horse]

Those Sky clowns must have missed the part where Luca said he wasn't seeking changes immediately, he's not looking to take away Merc advantage.

Those fools on Sky never pass on the opportunity to bash Ferrari, really pathetic. :-??

[giodap]

Those fools on Sky never pass on the opportunity to bash Ferrari, really pathetic. :-??

What are they saying now? :roll

[uvaman]

No, you really don't need to poke anything! We all know that the situation is really poor and so we're all in a bad mood already, and your little stupid jokes are misplaced and are just making it worse.

You and some others are in bad mood but I am not :) I am sad to see where we are but will I be going nutz for someone who doesn't even know me...If they respect the institution and fans they could already do something. We are getting only excuses from Ferrari last few years instead of doing something. What we did in two months? Abs nothing. We need results and damn explanations from LD-SD, but we as usually got the first official reaction from Ferrari website "Both cars in points". Is that a joke?

[Ed Harley]

Not exactly the finishing positions I was expecting but it is what it is.

[giodap]

My god today was painful... especially seeing as we have lost in the battle of the engines. Not only have we lost but mercedes have made us look like boys against men. Ferrari need to have a long hard look at themselves and do what must be done to restore a competitive edge in all departments back at maranello... FORZA FERRARI

[DIEK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkjvVl_CUAA0jGM.jpg

[Hermann]

Thats not a smile, thats a grimasse.

[mark p]

Was always going to be bad race for Ferrari but I will admit this was worse than I could imagine. The difference is clear it's power. This was brutal. Looked good until got on any straight then completly out dragged. At least with an engine worth over 2 seconds a lap on Ferrari Mclaren showed up how they are useless at designing cars. The equation is simple the engine needs loads more POWER POWER POWER and more POWER.

[DIEK]

http://i.minus.com/iMPp9DEhJsiwS.gif

[Ed Harley]

There is always next season. It might be wise to kiss this season goodbye and concentrate on 2015 car.

[giodap]

Was always going to be bad race for Ferrari but I will admit this was worse than I could imagine. The difference is clear it's power. This was brutal. Looked good until got on any straight then completly out dragged. At least with an engine worth over 2 seconds a lap on Ferrari Mclaren showed up how they are useless at designing cars. The equation is simple the engine needs loads more POWER POWER POWER and more POWER.

Yes thats right. Problem is, is we cant even get the power that we've already got down on the track properly. More power will be great but could we handle it?

[radosav]

Alonso has a very good poker face, it must be said...
Practice, practice ,practice! That's the secre! Years of practice!

[icedeepan]

Where is Allison? He sounded very positive earlier about how the wind tunnel numbers were matching the numbers on the track and things were what they were expecting...Did Ferrari simply blow it by setting lower than required targets on both engine and aero?

[eddie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkjvVl_CUAA0jGM.jpg

Tagline - We are all is the same boat, blood Mercs engines... :lol

[Ferrari Rules]

Really feel sorry for Kimi and Nando - That car is just a dog!

Ferrari bring a B car and quick please as I want our boys to finish at least second best; even the Renault engine is doing us now. Laughable

[Stormsearcher]

so actually the fact that Ferrari sucks now is basicly because Fernando is too good driver

i think he meant that Fernandos prowess was hiding the teams drawbacks and hence keeping their jobs intact instead of LDM looking to get in better people.

[Stormsearcher]

Hugely disappointing race. We were going backwards. :-(
I was truly shocked the way those force indias went past the ferraris. Thrice.

Is there a light at the end of the tunnel? If by Barcelona we are similarly behind, we might have to concede it this year.

As a race, maldonado brough it alive. The last 10 laps were fantastic to watch. Am glad hamilton stuck it to nico.

[Hornet]

Where is Allison? He sounded very positive earlier about how the wind tunnel numbers were matching the numbers on the track and things were what they were expecting...Did Ferrari simply blow it by setting lower than required targets on both engine and aero?

I don't think our aero is that bad. This is a track that will reward anyone with the most powerful engine, and punish those with weak engines. This is why all 4 Merc-powered teams easily flew past our cars down the straights, that's the kind of advantage Merc engine have. Red Bull went as far as to trim their rear wing element and remove some front wing element, along with their monkey seat because Renault can't match Merc either, and that's how serious the difference is.

However when we look back at Australia and Sepang, we didn't see such a miserable race for Ferrari. Merc was out of touch, but we could still put up a fight with the other Merc powered car. Therefore, there must be something elsewhere where Ferrari is doing right and on tracks where our strength has a bigger role, it allowed us to bridge the engine performance gap to other teams such as Williams, McLaren, and Force India.

[Ophidian786]

Its not that bad, Hulk with FI in 3rd place is 1.7s down on Mercedes. Mercs have way bigger advantage over other teams than RedBull or Brawn GP ever had. FIA should step in asap or this season will be a bore. How could they do it? Well let Ferrari/Renault develop their PUs while ban Mercs from doing the same.

You cannot punish them for doing a better job, but I think all manufacturers should be allowed to develop their engines, including Renault.

Otherwise this year is a Mercedes whitewash.

[Pitu]

There is always next season. It might be wise to kiss this season goodbye and concentrate on 2015 car.

That is what we have been doing since last 3-4 years, abandoning current year's car in order to make better car next year,ironically turning out to be dog all the time :-(
We seriously need complete overhaul of working environment in Ferrari team....

[Schumiklub]

Any quotes from our team/drivers?

[AfterLife]

Did anyone notice Fernando's first pit stop is awfully slow?
and I think there was one fresh face in our pit wall.

[Stormsearcher]

|Button on 37% fuel useage, must be an error as everyone else around 50%

Its button. The guy drives like my grandma. Its no wonder he is saving fuel. In fact i think his car broke down cause he was driving too slow. :lol

[Hornet]

You cannot punish them for doing a better job, but I think all manufacturers should be allowed to develop their engines, including Renault.

Otherwise this year is a Mercedes whitewash.

I think we cannot have both engine as a competitive factor, and engine homologation.

Aero is a competitive factor which, whether we like it or not, works because aero isn't homologated. So if we want to introduce engine as a competitive factor the same way aero is, then engine development needs to be allowed the same way aero developments are allowed as well.

IMO, we cannot have both, it doesn't work. If we want to homologate the engine, then everyone needs to have the same performance, otherwise one engine (in this case Merc) will win every season until we change the engine.


ps: It's true RB dominated aero for the past few years, but it wasn't due to the lack of any chance for other teams. It was due to RB doing a better job each year. Now, we're in a situation where other teams do not have the chance to respond to Merc. Imagine if we freeze the engine for 5 years, then Merc simply needed to do a better job for 1 year and they will enjoy the rewards for 5 years. That doesn't seem right to me, IMO.

[mrnl]

Disappointing race but never expect much of it, it's one of the worst tracks for where we are at the moment. At least we got points, in F1 every single one counts.

Hopefully the upgrades for the next two races will help us move somewhat forward. It is so difficult with the complicated formula this year; in all honesty the team has improved massively from January in testing in understanding and setting up but in relative terms it looks as if they're standing still because of the sheer quantity of work to be done still. Best for Shanghai and Forza Ferrari

[Stormsearcher]

damn you merc

+1

Just when you thought the regulations change will slow down newey.. merc jumps in with a aircraft engine. :furious

[Winter]

Wow what a race! Best race since Brasilia 2012!

[icedeepan]

I don't think our aero is that bad. This is a track that will reward anyone with the most powerful engine, and punish those with weak engines. This is why all 4 Merc-powered teams easily flew past our cars down the straights, that's the kind of advantage Merc engine have. Red Bull went as far as to trim their rear wing element and remove some front wing element, along with their monkey seat because Renault can't match Merc either, and that's how serious the difference is.

However when we look back at Australia and Sepang, we didn't see such a miserable race for Ferrari. Merc was out of touch, but we could still put up a fight with the other Merc powered car. Therefore, there must be something elsewhere where Ferrari is doing right and on tracks where our strength has a bigger role, it allowed us to bridge the engine performance gap to other teams such as Williams, McLaren, and Force India.

True the aero isn't that bad with the car working well in medium/high speed corners but it isn't on the same level as that of RB. We still seem to be about half a second behind the bulls. RB can therefore afford to try out things like trimming their wing levels to compensate for the lack of power in the Renault engine while we cant quite do it. In a nutshell, I think if aero is the parameter, then it is pretty much similar to last year where we were about 0.5 - 0.8 secs behind RB.

[Nero Horse]

What are they saying now? :roll

They were accusing Ferrari (Luca di Montezemolo) of trying to take away Merc's advantage by trying to change the rules in F1 and having talks with Bernie.

[Stormsearcher]

Good to see friendly banter between two Merc drivers

A bit too friendly dont you think.
I dont think Nico is as happy as he is showing to be.

[Senna4Ever]

1.) for a motorsport lover I would be happy with the racing I've seen today

2.) Maldonado should be kicked ... there are no excuses for this accident

3.) a car that can rise the gap after safety car in a few laps like Merc did isn't very good on the engine side alone ... you need to bring it down and that way that Pirelli isn't falling apart.

4) For a Ferrari Fan this season reminds me a bit of 1993 ... it is a pure disaster and I feel frustrated ... I can't tell ...
I don't know on what some are on but to believe that this car is good in traction is away of reality. Seeing Vettel as fast as we were in the beginning even he was on the harder tyre is just annoying and offers that a clown must have printed a TATA car red with putting on a sticker of the prancing horse

5) as long as the big boss leaves the race before it ends (due to pure frustration) from now on for me our drivers are free to say and to do what they want. That was just embarrassing by Luca and shows the lack of leadership ... here we are pressurized to show mercy and support to the team and the big boss just stealing himself away. Like a Craven who is running away ... When I was in the army I was trained the commander never leaves his group

[JacKy]

Disappointing race but never expect much of it, it's one of the worst tracks for where we are at the moment. At least we got points, in F1 every single one counts.

Hopefully the upgrades for the next two races will help us move somewhat forward. It is so difficult with the complicated formula this year; in all honesty the team has improved massively from January in testing in understanding and setting up but in relative terms it looks as if they're standing still because of the sheer quantity of work to be done still. Best for Shanghai and Forza Ferrari

You're too optimistic. For sure we'll improve by some areas but i don't think it'll never enough to catch merc engine. There is at least 4 turn and 1 long straight that we'll gonna weak against merc engine in shangai. I'm expecting a race like today in china.

[stefa]

I think we cannot have both engine as a competitive factor, and engine homologation.

Aero is a competitive factor which, whether we like it or not, works because aero isn't homologated. So if we want to introduce engine as a competitive factor the same way aero is, then engine development needs to be allowed the same way aero developments are allowed as well.

IMO, we cannot have both, it doesn't work. If we want to homologate the engine, then everyone needs to have the same performance, otherwise one engine (in this case Merc) will win every season until we change the engine.


ps: It's true RB dominated aero for the past few years, but it wasn't due to the lack of any chance for other teams. It was due to RB doing a better job each year. Now, we're in a situation where other teams do not have the chance to respond to Merc. Imagine if we freeze the engine for 5 years, then Merc simply needed to do a better job for 1 year and they will enjoy the rewards for 5 years. That doesn't seem right to me, IMO.

Good points. But I wonder would you be so open minded if places are turned between Mercedes and Ferrari? Would you still think it is not right if Farrari is so dominant over competition? During Ferrari dominance 2000-2004 I didn't felt guilt for being simply the best team out there! Not at all! Ferrari simply did job better than others!

[mark p]

Really feel sorry for Kimi and Nando - That car is just a dog!

Ferrari bring a B car and quick please as I want our boys to finish at least second best; even the Renault engine is doing us now. Laughable

Car is good it's a b spec engine needed. Not being funny either they need something on the engine side, in fact a lot the difference on the straights was huge.

[J288GTO]

Those fools on Sky never pass on the opportunity to bash Ferrari, really pathetic. :-??

Agreed. It's hard enough to watch without them almost gloating about any Ferrari misfortune.

Herbert was asked about LDM's reaction in the pits and he started banging on about how good the race was and how wrong LDM was to doubt F1! Missed the point completely.

Also they enjoyed bashing Newey and his negative comments about the sport - god forbid people stop watching. I happen to think Newey was spot on regardless of his intentions. Sky TV has no interest in F1 just ratings, not surprising I suppose.

[sachin]

Even the red fools never had a 2.5 sec advantage over the field.
This is just unbelievable.

[JacKy]

Even the red fools never had a 2.5 sec advantage over the field.
This is just unbelievable.

Get used to it , there is 16 race that we'll see that gap...

[mark p]

Agreed. It's hard enough to watch without them almost gloating about any Ferrari misfortune.

Herbert was asked about LDM's reaction in the pits and he started banging on about how good the race was and how wrong LDM was to doubt F1! Missed the point completely.

Also they enjoyed bashing Newey and his negative comments about the sport - god forbid people stop watching. I happen to think Newey was spot on regardless of his intentions. Sky TV has no interest in F1 just ratings, not surprising I suppose.

They have also tried to show tension between Merc drivers that does not exist. They never let the truth get in the way of a story. Typical Murdoch company trying to sensationalise everything with tabloid reporting. They probably instigated double points as last year was the 1st time they did not have a decider at the final race since they got the rights. They are a tv version of the Sun newspaper in the UK and turn formally good pundits like Brundle into morons by giving them non existent stories to plug into their commentary

[Winter]

http://i.minus.com/iulMVKqU10Oic.gif



Maybe Lotus is slow because they made their car to suit Maldonados driving style, those armored cars tend to be heavy.

[sachin]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/motor/formula1/2014/04/06/ecclestone-expects-f1-engine-rules-change/7379205/

[Nero Horse]

Was always going to be bad race for Ferrari but I will admit this was worse than I could imagine.

Yes exactly, it was much worse than what anyone could've imagined I think. I mean I'm an eternal optimist and I always try to find positives and think positively, but this race was just a complete nightmare, there can be no denying it. I sat all through the race with a glum face and was just relieved when the race finally ended. Not a good day at all for Ferrari nor for us tifosi, that's for sure. :-s

But, as the saying goes: "After every storm the sun will smile and for every problem there is a solution." All we can do right now is keep supporting our beloved team and hope that it will get better soon. And I'm 100% certain that it will get better...maybe not today, or tomorrow, but it will eventually.

[evo_spook]

I think we cannot have both engine as a competitive factor, and engine homologation.

Aero is a competitive factor which, whether we like it or not, works because aero isn't homologated. So if we want to introduce engine as a competitive factor the same way aero is, then engine development needs to be allowed the same way aero developments are allowed as well.

IMO, we cannot have both, it doesn't work. If we want to homologate the engine, then everyone needs to have the same performance, otherwise one engine (in this case Merc) will win every season until we change the engine.


ps: It's true RB dominated aero for the past few years, but it wasn't due to the lack of any chance for other teams. It was due to RB doing a better job each year. Now, we're in a situation where other teams do not have the chance to respond to Merc. Imagine if we freeze the engine for 5 years, then Merc simply needed to do a better job for 1 year and they will enjoy the rewards for 5 years. That doesn't seem right to me, IMO.

They can still be developed and newly homologated next year

[Rob]

And those low, ugly noses came for safety reasons! If this is bad a year for Ferrari, it's even worse for FIA, seems that they havent got anything right.
Because of their great visions, cars are ugly, they sound just afull, are more dangerous and not many are happy about this fuel saving nonsense either.

To be fair, if you watch the first impact, its tyre to tyre. And its that which spins the Sauber across the front causing it to rise slightly and then the Lotus nose just helps it going over.

[J288GTO]

They have also tried to show tension between Merc drivers that does not exist. They never let the truth get in the way of a story. Typical Murdoch company trying to sensationalise everything with tabloid reporting. They probably instigated double points as last year was the 1st time they did not have a decider at the final race since they got the rights. They are a tv version of the Sun newspaper in the UK and turn formally good pundits like Brundle into morons by giving them non existent stories to plug into their commentary

It almost makes me almost miss the Lewis Hamilton show on the BBC. :roll

Sky must think we are all morons who will switch off unless something saucy happens. I want to watch a race and listen to interviews - simple! Mediocre ex drivers, pin up girls, rugby blokes and their opinions do not interest me in the slightest.

[Senna4Ever]

And those low, ugly noses came for safety reasons! If this is bad a year for Ferrari, it's even worse for FIA, seems that they havent got anything right.
Because of their great visions, cars are ugly, they sound just afull, are more dangerous and not many are happy about this fuel saving nonsense either.

but you also can imagine what would have happened if we would have the high noses from the years before by hitting the car the same way/same angle?

[Katu]

i think he meant that Fernandos prowess was hiding the teams drawbacks and hence keeping their jobs intact instead of LDM looking to get in better people.

can't be, even blind saw that Fernando was comiting miracles with that car, people in Ferrari's leading positions knew that all along

[Gerhard Berger]

Domenicali is the Ned Stark of F1. Very nice guy, but he is too noble and not smart enough to play this game.

[Katu]

Maybe Lotus is slow because they made their car to suit Maldonados driving style, those armored cars tend to be heavy.

could be true

[Senna4Ever]

Fernando Alonso ‏@alo_oficial 2 Std.

We remain fourth in the championship. Definitely difficult race as expected. Will improve. Thank you all for the continuos support! #Push

maybe we should state here also some comments after test sessions where some wanted to tell the rest that this times don't mean a thing and we're better than it looks like

[FerrariFanBoii]

Maybe Lotus is slow because they made their car to suit Maldonados driving style, those armored cars tend to be heavy.

That shouldn't be 3 points on the licence, that should be banned for life, he's going to seriously injure someone soon, or worse...

[Winter]

To be fair, if you watch the first impact, its tyre to tyre. And its that which spins the Sauber across the front causing it to rise slightly and then the Lotus nose just helps it going over.

You are right, it looked like scooping at first sight. But still, not happy at FIAs decisions at all.

[Nero Horse]

I wouldn't want to be in Stefano's place tomorrow when he gets back to Maranello and has to face Luca, it's not going to be pleasant to say the least.

[Greig]

maybe we should state here also some comments after test sessions where some wanted to tell the rest that this times don't mean a thing and we're better than it looks like

Go ahead if it brings you some comfort, sadly it seems you along with some others are happy we are not doing well just so you can say "told you so".

[J288GTO]

Domenicali is the Ned Stark of F1. Very nice guy, but he is too noble and not smart enough to play this game.

Hope we don't see a beheading. ;-)

[Winter]

Domenicali is the Ned Stark of F1. Very nice guy, but he is too noble and not smart enough to play this game.

Winter is coming :rotfl

[Gerhard Berger]

Hope we don't see a beheading. ;-)

:-)

and for the record, Vettel = Joffrey!

[Gerhard Berger]

Winter is coming :rotfl

Rosbergs always pay their debts :lol

[PURE PASSION]

Stefano Domenicali: “This race provided an epilogue to a weekend which turned out to be as difficult as we had thought it would be, even before arriving in Bahrain. This circuit is particularly tough for our car and Sakhir’s technical characteristics showed up the gaps in our performance. Now, we must forget this race and look ahead, because I don’t like seeing our drivers fighting hard everywhere and then being unable to attack or defend on the straights. We’ve got an important test ahead of us now, when I expect to see an initial step up in terms of quality. The team must not get downhearted, even if things have not turned out the way they should so far. They must continue to work in order to step up a gear as quickly as possible.” - See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/bahrain-gp-stefano-domenicali-step-gear#sthash.nW2XwxCq.dpuf

[Nero Horse]

Stefano Domenicali: We’ve got an important test ahead of us now, when I expect to see an initial step up in terms of quality.

When exactly is this test going to take place? :Hmm

[Gerhard Berger]

When exactly is this test going to take place? :Hmm

isn't it tomorrow?

I there are in-season tests on the Monday after the following races:

Bahrain
Barcelona
Silverstone
Abu Dhabi

[Tony]

I don't understand how Maldonado continues to get away with this type of driving... he's going to hurt someone really bad one day.... I mean he was basically a torpedo going into that corner.... it was senseless...

[PURE PASSION]

Fernando Alonso: “Today’s race was complicated for us, even if we knew what to expect because, with its long straights, this track shows up our weak points. The team did a super job and sorted the problem I had yesterday in the final part of qualifying and the start and strategy were perfect. The Safety Car helped us make up a bit of ground on the cars ahead of us and also allowed us to save fuel, but it was not enough to change the result, with eight cars ahead of us doing a better job. Although we did all we could, we can’t be happy with our level of performance and now our sole focus must be on working day and night. The season is in its early stages and I think we can stage a recovery. We have the resources and the potential to do it and it’s all down to us. Next week will be very important as we get back on track on Tuesday and Wednesday to test in preparation for the upcoming races. We have got a very aggressive programme, which we need as our rivals will not just be sitting back and watching.” - See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/bahrain-gp-fernando-alonso-an-aggressive-plan#sthash.iD3dPLAD.dpuf

[F1NAC]

Maybe Ferrari sandbagged in Bahrain :D

[Winter]

:lol
Rosbergs always pay their debts :lol

[PURE PASSION]

Kimi Raikkonen: “I am very disappointed with today’s result, because after how qualifying went, I expected to do better. I didn’t get a good start and immediately lost some places. On the first lap, I was hit by Magnussen, luckily without it doing any damage, but trying to move up the order at this point was very difficult, because the lack of aero downforce and speed on the straight meant overtaking was complicated. We knew this track was less suited to the characteristics of our car than the first two and that the Mercedes would be very quick. Overall, the handling of our car has generally improved compared to the first races and this makes me confident for the upcoming ones. We can expect a lot of work to do and we will make the most of the test days to try and improve already in time for the next race in China.” - See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/bahrain-gp-kimi-raikkonen-confident-future#sthash.7AIZEO4A.dpuf

[Catalan]

Get used to it , there is 16 race that we'll see that gap...

Don't know what to expect, honestly. Alonso says after the race that revenge is coming in China, that they're working around the clock in Maranello ( in fact Pedro de la Rosa didn't travel to Bahrain to keep working in the simulator ), and they will put all the effort this week, Tuesday and Wednesday in the tests at Sakhir ( Alonso disclosed he will stay in Bahrain to be at the wheel of the F14T both days ). Maybe they have something good in the oven, and add to this that a few days ago Domenicalli said in Madrid that fans could expect the team improving in China.

But this said, even in a best case scenario, it's hard to me figuring out how the team can overcome this monster deficit, and becoming the second best team won't simply be enough as long as Mercedes keeps finishing first and second in the next races. Come July Rosberg and Hamilton could be enjoying a 50 point margin over the competition.

And finally, what di Montezemolo did today, leaving the circuit before the end of the race, to me is simply unaceptable. He could have been there waiting to give courage and spirit to Fernando, Kimi and the rest of the team. Unless he had something really urgent, his action today damages the image of Ferrari. To me, it was the picture of a loser: went to Bahrain to meet with Todt, who said " no " to his requests ( will only accept unanimously requested changes ), and leaves the circuit in the moment when his leadership is more needed while his drivers are being beaten on the track.

PS. Alonso said in AS newspaper that he's not going to McLaren. That gossip is rubish.

[PURE PASSION]

Pat Fry: “Today, we could not have asked more of our car and drivers, because here, our most limiting factor was a lack of top speed. That meant we had to run a defensive race and even if in the middle sector, the one with the most corners, the F14 T was competitive, it was not enough to allow Fernando and Kimi to attack our rivals. In Maranello, we are working on solutions to ensure better power delivery and better driveability. We are also trying to improve the efficiency of the car on the aerodynamic front. The data we acquired in today’s race will provide a baseline for the major checking programme we have planned for the test, right here at Sakhir on Tuesday and Wednesday.” - See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/bahrain-gp-pat-fry-a-defensive-race#sthash.cFn1ahqr.dpuf

[Suzie]

Domenicali is the Ned Stark of F1. Very nice guy, but he is too noble and not smart enough to play this game.

:lol

Bit like the Red Wedding for Ferrari today ;-)

[JacKy]

Don't know what to expect, honestly. Alonso says after the race that revenge is coming in China, that they're working around the clock in Maranello ( in fact Pedro de la Rosa didn't travel to Bahrain to keep working in the simulator ), and they will put all the effort this week, Tuesday and Wednesday in the tests at Sakhir ( Alonso disclosed he will stay in Bahrain to be at the wheel of the F14T both days ). Maybe they have something good in the oven, and add to this that a few days ago Domenicalli said in Madrid that fans could expect the team improving in China.

But this said, even in a best case scenario, it's hard to me figuring out how the team can overcome this monster deficit, and becoming the second best team won't simply be enough as long as Mercedes keeps finishing first and second in the next races. Come July Rosberg and Hamilton could be enjoying a 50 point margin over the competition.

And finally, what di Montezemolo did today, leaving the circuit before the end of the race, to me is simply unaceptable. He could have been there waiting to give courage and spirit to Fernando, Kimi and the rest of the team. Unless he had something really urgent, his action today damages the image of Ferrari. To me, it was the picture of a loser: went to Bahrain to meet with Todt, who said " no " to his requests ( will only accept unanimously requested changes ), and leaves the circuit in the moment when his leadership is more needed while his drivers are being beaten on the track.

PS. Alonso said in AS newspaper that he's not going to McLaren. That gossip is rubish.

I don't know what to say that Montezemolo's action today. Also Alonso's reaction on finish line is very sarcastic. Everything is getting worse and worse day by day. 2.5 Sec/Lap is unacceptable without doubt. I can't even imagine if other team imporve more than us in Spain.

[Ophidian786]

I think we cannot have both engine as a competitive factor, and engine homologation.

Aero is a competitive factor which, whether we like it or not, works because aero isn't homologated. So if we want to introduce engine as a competitive factor the same way aero is, then engine development needs to be allowed the same way aero developments are allowed as well.

IMO, we cannot have both, it doesn't work. If we want to homologate the engine, then everyone needs to have the same performance, otherwise one engine (in this case Merc) will win every season until we change the engine.


ps: It's true RB dominated aero for the past few years, but it wasn't due to the lack of any chance for other teams. It was due to RB doing a better job each year. Now, we're in a situation where other teams do not have the chance to respond to Merc. Imagine if we freeze the engine for 5 years, then Merc simply needed to do a better job for 1 year and they will enjoy the rewards for 5 years. That doesn't seem right to me, IMO.

I completely agree.

Does anyone know if engines can be developed between seasons?

[Nero Horse]

And finally, what di Montezemolo did today, leaving the circuit before the end of the race, to me is simply unaceptable. He could have been there waiting to give courage and spirit to Fernando, Kimi and the rest of the team. Unless he had something really urgent, his action today damages the image of Ferrari. To me, it was the picture of a loser: went to Bahrain to meet with Todt, who said " no " to his requests ( will only accept unanimously requested changes ), and leaves the circuit in the moment when his leadership is more needed while his drivers are being beaten on the track.

I think that seeing Ferraris being passed so easily by Force Indias and others was just too much for him to bear. This situation is especially hard to take for him, because he's the leader of Ferrari and it's his duty to uphold the good name of Ferrari. So I think it was quite understandable why it was just too painful for him to stay there and watch this nightmare unfold in front of his eyes. His facial expression in the pits said it all. It's hard to take for all of us who are part of the Ferrari family, for the team workers and for the fans. And besides, what could he have done there anyway? He couldn't possibly have made the car go any faster by staying there till the end of the race and his leadership is much more needed back in Maranello where he has to make all the important decisions.

[Majki2111]

Pat Fry: “Today, we could not have asked more of our car and drivers, because here, our most limiting factor was a lack of top speed. That meant we had to run a defensive race and even if in the middle sector, the one with the most corners, the F14 T was competitive, it was not enough to allow Fernando and Kimi to attack our rivals. In Maranello, we are working on solutions to ensure better power delivery and better driveability. We are also trying to improve the efficiency of the car on the aerodynamic front. The data we acquired in today’s race will provide a baseline for the major checking programme we have planned for the test, right here at Sakhir on Tuesday and Wednesday.” - See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/bahrain-gp-pat-fry-a-defensive-race#sthash.cFn1ahqr.dpufIf that is true I'm pretty happy. Does anyone know if that is true?

[Suzie]

I think that seeing Ferraris being passed so easily by Force Indias and others was just too much for him to bear. This situation is especially hard to take for him, because he's the leader of Ferrari and it's his duty to uphold the good name of Ferrari. So I think it was quite understandable why it was just too painful for him to stay there and watch this nightmare unfold in front of his eyes. His facial expression in the pits said it all. It's hard to take for all of us who are part of the Ferrari family, for the team workers and for the fans. And besides, what could he have done there anyway? He couldn't possibly have made the car go any faster by staying there till the end of the race and his leadership is much more needed back in Maranello where he has to make all the important decisions.

Becomes it comes across as a hissy fit.

[Alonsomaniac]

I haven't posted anything all day because of a headache I developed during the race.
How sad it must be for all the guys of Ferrari to see this happen. How terrible must it be for Fernando and Kimi to be unable to do anything...
I feel sorry for all the guys at Ferrari. The car is not good enough, but the people work so hard and they did not deserve this humiliation.
I admire both drivers for being able to find any positive words today - which they managed to do.
I don't know what caused this disaster, I don't know what it takes to come back from this, but I do know that the unwritten laws of racing say that you will not manage to do this during a running season.
This is going to be a long year for all the people of Scuderia Ferrari and for us, the fans.

[Majki2111]

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[Rosso Corsa]

maybe we should state here also some comments after test sessions where some wanted to tell the rest that this times don't mean a thing and we're better than it looks like

You'd be a complete nightmare for company in a real crisis. You clearly don't actually support Ferrari, so what are you doing here?

[Raz]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/abdur1234/_DSC0118_zps3203e1a8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/abdur1234/_DSC0131_zps72b86381.jpg
So much for being a Schudas!

[Sianellen]

So much for being a Schudas!

Nice one Razzy! :-D

[stefa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/abdur1234/_DSC0118_zps3203e1a8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/abdur1234/_DSC0131_zps72b86381.jpg
So much for being a Schudas!

Seriously?! Here in Ferrari forum? :-)

[stefa]

Kimi Raikkonen says this Ferrari felt like it was in a different class compared to the Mercedes-powered teams after a disappointing race in Bahrain.

Raikkonen finished 10th in Sunday's race as both Ferraris spent most of the race falling down the order. The F14 T clearly lacked performance on the straights, but Raikkonen said the deficit was made up of several factors

"We didn't have the speed overall," he said. "We are lacking a bit in a straightline, we are lacking a bit in downforce, but the car is not handling so badly. It's not like there is a massive problem in handling, we are just lacking the downforce and the speed and the horsepower. But we knew that and we knew it was going to be the most difficult place of the year. We have to see what we can do for the next race.

"One of the Force Indias got me on the exit of Turn 8 and it was like a different class. I was surprised, obviously he came out of the pit lane [on new tyres] but I had only done a few laps on my tyres and I carried the corner and he just came inside of me and went past. I had no answer and in the next corner he had massive traction also. So it's not just horsepower.

"With the Red Bulls we seem to be able to keep them behind on the straights more easily and then in the corners they seem to get so close and that means we are lacking a bit of downforce as well as straight-line speed."

However, Raikkonen believes Ferrari still made progress on Australia and Malaysia.

"I think we improved the car. It feels nicer and the feeling is better even though the results don't show that. There is a lot of work to do and we can only push forward and improve things, but I'm sure we can move forward at the next race."

Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/bahrain/motorsport/story/153073.html#lsWdEWQmpB5ZveFY.99

[Nero Horse]

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So much for being a Schudas!

Yea thanks, that was exactly what was missing from this day...seeing a guy celebrating a Merc win...it's like a cherry on top of the cake...great! pffff :-?? Get outta here!

[WS6TransAm01]

If I was Luca I would pull the plug on 2014. Exit the championship and run the F14T 24-7 at Fiorano to develop/build the '15 car. This is am embarrassment that Fernando and Kimi do not deserve. It makes Ferrari look like a joke.

[evo_spook]

I completely agree.

Does anyone know if engines can be developed between seasons?


Yes they can and at the beginning of next season re-homologated.

[windwaves]

If I was Luca I would pull the plug on 2014. Exit the championship and run the F14T 24-7 at Fiorano to develop/build the '15 car. This is am embarrassment that Fernando and Kimi do not deserve. It makes Ferrari look like a joke.

brilliant idea, if doable, not sure. But yes, I would do that.

[steelstallions]

Well all you doom mongers, Ferrari are going to get better and stronger and when they do, i will copy and paste your posts in future threads to remind you what type of supporter you really are. Is this a Ferrari forum or has it been hijacked? I lived and waited the 20 years for success so got really miffed when the glory hunters jumped on the band wagon, lets see who has the faith in them!

[evo_spook]

If I was Luca I would pull the plug on 2014. Exit the championship and run the F14T 24-7 at Fiorano to develop/build the '15 car. This is am embarrassment that Fernando and Kimi do not deserve. It makes Ferrari look like a joke.


Illegal

Bernie's contract with them means they have to turn up even if they was running last.

[aroutis]

If I was Luca I would pull the plug on 2014. Exit the championship and run the F14T 24-7 at Fiorano to develop/build the '15 car. This is am embarrassment that Fernando and Kimi do not deserve. It makes Ferrari look like a joke.
Ferrari has been on F1 since its inception. There is no way this happens, not even if we race on a freaking donkey.
We can focus on the car but we 'll race all races with the cars.

[wappad]

If anyone would have told me after Brazil last year that Fernando had a 3 points advantage over Vettel after Bahrain 2014 :-).

Anyway, we had our 70th. consecutive 'points- finish' today. Mclaren has to start all over again from China and Mercedes won't be catching
us during the coming 2 years. Feels so good Ron :-).

I rather see us winning races, but during the 'hard times' you need to find something to enjoy watching races like
the one we had today. So 'Well done boys' !!

Next month, will go to Barcelona to see both 'dogs' ;-) .

Am I the only one wondering how this 'forza ferrari forum' would have looked like during the 1980-1996 period ;-) ?

[fratelliferrari]

5806

Not funny :-!

[windwaves]

You'd be a complete nightmare for company in a real crisis. You clearly don't actually support Ferrari, so what are you doing here?

everyone decides how to support the team. Who are you to say whether someone actually supports Ferrari ?? are you out of your mind ?

I support Ferrari and for that very reason, for what it represents on a million levels, I tell you this is totally embarrassing and such failures should have consequences like they would in any company in a real crisis.

As fans/supporter of Ferrari I am appalled by the lack of reaction to the poor results of recent years. And this year is just catastrophic.

Something drastic has to be done. If we do we can may be hope to get back on track, and it will take years given how deep the damage is...

[fratelliferrari]

Well all you doom mongers, Ferrari are going to get better and stronger and when they do, i will copy and paste your posts in future threads to remind you what type of supporter you really are. Is this a Ferrari forum or has it been hijacked? I lived and waited the 20 years for success so got really miffed when the glory hunters jumped on the band wagon, lets see who has the faith in them!

100% agree with you :thumb we are Ferrari we will bounce back! Forza Ferrari and keep faith!

[stefa]

Well all you doom mongers, Ferrari are going to get better and stronger and when they do, i will copy and paste your posts in future threads to remind you what type of supporter you really are. Is this a Ferrari forum or has it been hijacked? I lived and waited the 20 years for success so got really miffed when the glory hunters jumped on the band wagon, lets see who has the faith in them!

Oh, I've been watching Formula 1 and supporting Ferrari during last 21 years long no championship period. This is no big news for me. For sure it is a big shock to be running average 2 sec slower than leading cars....

[Bertie]

We could just test 24-7 at Fiorano without pulling out. What would the punishment be? a slap on the wrist like merc last year? at worst it would be disqualification from the wcc like mclaren spygate + a multi-million pound fine but we are good for that. The biggest downside is damage to our reputation.

[Nero Horse]

Not funny :-!

Was just about to say the same thing. All these stupid sarcastic jokes are really annoying.

[stefa]

Was just about to say the same thing. All these stupid sarcastic jokes are really annoying.

:thumb

[stefa]

Any way, good night to you all!

[Gerhard Berger]

Well all you doom mongers, Ferrari are going to get better and stronger and when they do, i will copy and paste your posts in future threads to remind you what type of supporter you really are. Is this a Ferrari forum or has it been hijacked? I lived and waited the 20 years for success so got really miffed when the glory hunters jumped on the band wagon, lets see who has the faith in them!

Don't have faith in the current bunch at Ferrari. If they were good enough, they would have showed some signs of progress these last few years. Instead, it seems we are going backwards.

We went through a 20 year drought, and we ended it by bringing in the right people. We got rid of Fiorio, Barnard and Brunner. Brought in Todt, Brawn and Byrne. I imagine we will have to do something similar to get back to winning ways.

[aroutis]

So much for being a Schudas!

What does this post serve, if not rubbing in peoples' face the fact that Mercedes is winning, easily too and we're having for whatever the reason a hard time?

I can understand your happiness, respect it even but this post does not belong in this thread and you should be sensitive to understand this.

Post reported.

[windwaves]

I haven't posted anything all day because of a headache I developed during the race.
How sad it must be for all the guys of Ferrari to see this happen. How terrible must it be for Fernando and Kimi to be unable to do anything...
I feel sorry for all the guys at Ferrari. The car is not good enough, but the people work so hard and they did not deserve this humiliation.
I admire both drivers for being able to find any positive words today - which they managed to do.
I don't know what caused this disaster, I don't know what it takes to come back from this, but I do know that the unwritten laws of racing say that you will not manage to do this during a running season.
This is going to be a long year for all the people of Scuderia Ferrari and for us, the fans.

What a noble post, bravo ! I admire your coolness and I agree with your thoughts. I could only add that I would suspect the damage is deep enough that it will take more than a year to fix it. I am afraid it is going to take a complete overhaul of the team.

[Laferrari]

Fry comment is just pathétic....Middle sector was good blablabla...In one Lap you have 3 sector time and the time who count it s a the finish line who care about to be on the same level as force india when you loose about 5 tenth in first sector and then 4 other at the end .Even if the chassis is good ,when you are down on the power it s the same result you are behind.so for me it s not the engine who is down , it s the car.
So we will have update finally on the car in china and hope of a miracle(what type of miracle they believe if it s to be in the fight with force india williams or mclaren ok the goal is realistic, if someone believe that we will be on the same level as redbull or more in mercedes form...there is no miracle on F1) this upgrade will just be something to not be the 6best team this year .New best word from Domenicali ," we need to fix it as soon as possible"....cry or laugh?
First when i saw the mercedes , immediatly i was thinking it will be a beast....so much advanced in design,aero,cooling whe you compare the f14t and the W05 you undestand it s not the engine alone the problem it s the philosophy of the car , one is so complex the other one seems to be 2 or 3 year behind in development.

[windwaves]

sadly, hoping in updates given the experience of last few years is a bit … hopeless. It would be a miracle and I don't believe in miracles. Too many things do not work with this car.

I want to see Ferrari start making drastic changes to everything, I don't want to hear about updates anymore. We need real changes. And it should probably start with new leadership. No, I don't know how to resolve Ferrari problems, I do no things need to change because what we have been doing for years has just not worked.

[bonzo]

Well all you doom mongers, Ferrari are going to get better and stronger and when they do, i will copy and paste your posts in future threads to remind you what type of supporter you really are. Is this a Ferrari forum or has it been hijacked? I lived and waited the 20 years for success so got really miffed when the glory hunters jumped on the band wagon, lets see who has the faith in them!
Ypu are a bpatant worshiper without any realism!

[bonzo]

sadly, hoping in updates given the experience of last few years is a bit … hopeless. It would be a miracle and I don't believe in miracles. Too many things do not work with this car.

I want to see Ferrari start making drastic changes to everything, I don't want to hear about updates anymore. We need real changes. And it should probably start with new leadership. No, I don't know how to resolve Ferrari problems, I do no things need to change because what we have been doing for years has just not worked.

SPOT ON!!! NEW LEADERSHIP IS THE ONLY WAY OUT OF THE SHAMEFUL SITIATION WE ARE NOW...

[bonzo]

Fry comment is just pathétic....Middle sector was good blablabla...In one Lap you have 3 sector time and the time who count it s a the finish line who care about to be on the same level as force india when you loose about 5 tenth in first sector and then 4 other at the end .Even if the chassis is good ,when you are down on the power it s the same result you are behind.so for me it s not the engine who is down , it s the car.
So we will have update finally on the car in china and hope of a miracle(what type of miracle they believe if it s to be in the fight with force india williams or mclaren ok the goal is realistic, if someone believe that we will be on the same level as redbull or more in mercedes form...there is no miracle on F1) this upgrade will just be something to not be the 6best team this year .New best word from Domenicali ," we need to fix it as soon as possible"....cry or laugh?
First when i saw the mercedes , immediatly i was thinking it will be a beast....so much advanced in design,aero,cooling whe you compare the f14t and the W05 you undestand it s not the engine alone the problem it s the philosophy of the car , one is so complex the other one seems to be 2 or 3 year behind in development.
Is Domenicalli still onboard??:furious:furious:furious:furious

[bonzo]

What a noble post, bravo ! I admire your coolness and I agree with your thoughts. I could only add that I would suspect the damage is deep enough that it will take more than a year to fix it. I am afraid it is going to take a complete overhaul of the team.

....starting from the top.

[bonzo]

Don't have faith in the current bunch at Ferrari. If they were good enough, they would have showed some signs of progress these last few years. Instead, it seems we are going backwards.

We went through a 20 year drought, and we ended it by bringing in the right people. We got rid of Fiorio, Barnard and Brunner. Brought in Todt, Brawn and Byrne. I imagine we will have to do something similar to get back to winning ways.
Todt neede 5 years to bring Ferrari from mediocre to absolutely top team. Domenically took the same time to bring an absolute top team to a mediocre team and he is still unstoppable, he is aiming for the backmarkers award!

[FranksterGM]

Brawn or Briatore time.

Is Rinland still designing cars? he used to design some lovely ones.

[bonzo]

Ferrari has been on F1 since its inception. There is no way this happens, not even if we race on a freaking donkey.
We can focus on the car but we 'll race all races with the cars.

We are racing a freaking donkey this season already. It is going to be our worst season on the last 10 years, I can bet on this!!

[shamim179]

I think some people are not realizing some things here. This track suits the Mercedes powered cars. It doesn't suit us. In fact we are weak on this track. We have improved the car since Australia in closing the gap to Mercedes although the results of today do not suggest that. That's because Mercedes - so I'm talking about Hamilton and Rosberg not the customer teams just to be clear, were really pushing today. The competition between them was so intense that they made the gap look a lot bigger than it would have normally have been. In the previous 2 races they were mostly just cruising. The gap has always been big. They could have pushed in the previous races but didn't need to. They only pushed because both drivers badly wanted to win.

Hats off to them to be allowed to race like that with each other and being sensible at the same time.

[hogo]

Brawn or Briatore time.



Yeah or snatch Horner from RedBull. Only these three could change team into a winning one. Still they would probably need 3 years at least to deliver. So yeah... LdM could leave everything as it is now and hope that miracle will come or he could start acting now.

[bonzo]

I wouldn't want to be in Stefano's place tomorrow when he gets back to Maranello and has to face Luca, it's not going to be pleasant to say the least.
Oh Nero, can't believe you are bashing your favourite team leader.
It has to be a short meeting, not tomorrow, but tonight in Bahraon. Is it so difficult to submit a sheet of paper with the title "Letter of resignation"??

[FFFerrari]

I just watched the race from DVR and... wow. The Mercs are "totally out of this planet"-good. 2009 Brawn good. This is going to be a really long season watching them battle it out.

Our car is a total dog. Put it out of it's misery and sack the people responsible for the PU. The drivers are doing all they can, but they really can't go into a gunfight with a waterpistol.

And please, give Maldonado a heavy penalty before he kills someone.

[Nero Horse]

I feel sorry for all the guys at Ferrari. The car is not good enough, but the people work so hard and they did not deserve this humiliation.

Yes indeed, well said, I think we should all spare a thought to all those people who are working hard at Ferrari. Even though the results have been poor thus far, nobody can doubt the fact that they are ALL working really hard and putting all their energy and effort into trying to get Ferrari back to the top of F1. I just hope that soon all their efforts and sacrifices will be rewarded with good results on the track, cause they all certainly fully deserve it, without a doubt. Yes, it's very painful for us fans to see our favorite team in this kind of situation, but I can't even imagine how painful it must be for all the people who work at Ferrari. So, the least we (the Tifosi) can do is to keep supporting them and keep cheering them on during these tough times. We win together and we lose together.


Forza Ferrari!!! :ferrarifl

[shamim179]

Yes. I do agree that it was a questionable thing to do by Luca by leaving like that. I wouldn't be pleased if my boss left earlier than planned regardless of how dire the results are. People will not think highly of you and you will lose respect by doing that. You just don't do that kind of thing. Didn't anyone advise Luca that it isn't a good idea that you leave? If nobody pointed that out to him that suggests there is a culture of fear in Ferrari and if someone did point it out to him it must have been disheartening seeing him leave like that despite being advised to stay. It's in times like this that you come out and show strong leadership not go and crawl behind a rock.

[bonzo]

I don't think our aero is that bad. This is a track that will reward anyone with the most powerful engine, and punish those with weak engines. This is why all 4 Merc-powered teams easily flew past our cars down the straights, that's the kind of advantage Merc engine have. Red Bull went as far as to trim their rear wing element and remove some front wing element, along with their monkey seat because Renault can't match Merc either, and that's how serious the difference is.


However when we look back at Australia and Sepang, we didn't see such a miserable race for Ferrari. Merc was out of touch, but we could still put up a fight with the other Merc powered car. Therefore, there must be something elsewhere where Ferrari is doing right and on tracks where our strength has a bigger role, it allowed us to bridge the engine performance gap to other teams such as Williams, McLaren, and Force India.
Well, for two years we were told Ferrari is all about powerful engines. How comes we produced a least powerful engine?
?

[Nero Horse]

Oh Nero, can't believe you are bashing your favourite team leader.
It has to be a short meeting, not tomorrow, but tonight in Bahraon. Is it so difficult to submit a sheet of paper with the title "Letter of resignation"??

"Bashing"??? What the hell are you talking about?! I wasn't bashing anyone, all I said was that it won't be easy for Stefano to face Luca and it won't be a pleasant moment. I wasn't bashing him at all...that is your area of expertise I believe lol.

[PadGeT]

When are we testing in Bahrain? I heard it was a two day test that we have scheduled after the race in the weekend.

[shamim179]

Alonso raising his arm like that when crossing the line can mean several things but whichever one it is it can't be good:

1. Displeasure at the team
2. Did a great job today and pleased to have finished in the points (sarcasm)
3. Did a wonderful job today despite the deficiences with the car
4. Direct reference to Abu Dhabi 2010 - but the difference here is that it is directed at Ferrari whereas Abu Dhabi was directed at Petrov

[bonzo]

Well you should know by now but Ferrari won't step up, unless they will start changing from inside. Anyway once there was a time when we were pushing innovations left and right, many of them got banned cos other teams complained. Now Ferrari should do the same, complain and try to get something banned. But they won't do it, Stefano is too noble for such games...
He is not too noble, he just lacks knowledge about technicalities. He does not think technicalities are important. For him important is to smile submissively to LdM and promise everything LdM wants to hear.

[hogo]

Yes. I do agree that it was a questionable thing to do by Luca by leaving like that. I wouldn't be pleased if my boss left earlier than planned regardless of how dire the results are. People will not think highly of you and you will lose respect by doing that. You just don't do that kind of thing. Didn't anyone advise Luca that it isn't a good idea that you leave? If nobody pointed that out to him that suggests there is a culture of fear in Ferrari and if someone did point it out to him it must have been disheartening seeing him leave like that despite being advised to stay. It's in times like this that you come out and show strong leadership not go and crawl behind a rock.
You sound ridiculous. Do some research on LdM before writing stuff like this :D

[bonzo]

Yes. I do agree that it was a questionable thing to do by Luca by leaving like that. I wouldn't be pleased if my boss left earlier than planned regardless of how dire the results are. People will not think highly of you and you will lose respect by doing that. You just don't do that kind of thing. Didn't anyone advise Luca that it isn't a good idea that you leave? If nobody pointed that out to him that suggests there is a culture of fear in Ferrari and if someone did point it out to him it must have been disheartening seeing him leave like that despite being advised to stay. It's in times like this that you come out and show strong leadership not go and crawl behind a rock.
Yeah, instead of removing himself from the race, he should have removed Stefano from the team. Which he will do any way, better sooner than later.

[Jas]

what a race however, I was just treating massa as my team, well done keeping ahead of bottas! The thing is all hope is lost, mercades is in another league....this is domination like we have never seen recently!

[Nero Horse]

When are we testing in Bahrain? I heard it was a two day test that we have scheduled after the race in the weekend.

On Tuesday and Wednesday apparently...


Pat Fry: "The data we acquired in today’s race will provide a baseline for the major checking programme we have planned for the test, right here at Sakhir on Tuesday and Wednesday."

[bonzo]

No kidding , this is the game that I have the last 15 years the most difficult to watch . About Mercedes I do not even talk because it seemed to have come from the planet earth but from another planet. Are faster than the competition somewhere for 2s per round. It may be that the Mercedes driver this year, winning all races . Alonso maneuver at the end of the race says it all what he thinks about the current situation in the Ferrari , but did not say it out loud . I think that we are returning in 80-90 years , where the Ferrari struggled to 5,6,7,9 ...... cities in the race . Force India , Williams, as well as Mclaren are a joke overtook the two Ferraris . First of all, we should replace the lead Ferrari , because since 2008 we hear the same stories. Luca di Montezemolo now meets with JT and BE and cries, how the engines are too low , etc. . So what do you want in the past has pronounced on the aerodynamics now on the powertrain , which is catastrophic as it is seen today in the race . I do not know what is going wrong in Ferrari from the acquisition of the LD The British came in the team ( Fray , Allison ) , and no better . We lost Aldo Costa , who now works excellent job in Mercedes . I do not know what to do next and I do not think more words in the leading Ferrari in the improvement of China and Barcelona.
Be careful as Graig may ban you.
BTW where is Graog tonight? Or is he just wroting as Nero again?

[Rosso Corsa]

everyone decides how to support the team. Who are you to say whether someone actually supports Ferrari ?? are you out of your mind ?


It's okay for him to squeal like a baby but not okay for me to comment? Jog on.

Todays results was hard. Suck it up.

[Jeeper41]

Wow. That was a hard race to watch. Painful to see Ferrari going through this. I've supported the Scuderia since '90..through thick and thin, but this was just too painful. I really feel sorry for the drivers and everyone who is working so hard behind the scenes. I agree with the posters saying the team needs an overhaul. We need to get Brawn et.al. back to get back to winning. Being 3rd or 4th in the championship is just not good enough.

Forza Ferrari!

[PadGeT]

On Tuesday and Wednesday apparently...

Meaning they are gonna go for back to back running for comparison byw old and new package. Exciting times ahead (at least for me anyway).

[doublesixes]

A car as ugly as the F14T can't win any races. On looks alone, the car flunks the exam. Not that the other teams have better looking hardware. Formula 1 is a disgrace and has even lost the purely aesthetic allure it once had.

[The Hajj]

A car as ugly as the F14T can't win any races. On looks alone, the car flunks the exam. Not that the other teams have better looking hardware. Formula 1 is a disgrace and has even lost the purely aesthetic allure it once had.

But it's saving the planet :roll

[Bertie]

Meaning they are gonna go for back to back running for comparison byw old and new package. Exciting times ahead (at least for me anyway).

If we have new parts to test in 2 days time then why didn't we check them out on friday (surely they were ready and shipped by then) maybe it could of helped us today. If we don't have new parts then i don't see the test having any value as we have lots of data on this track in terms of setup and tyer performance.

[Ferrari312T4]

I've been watching F1 since 1986, and back then Ferrari was worse then it looks now. Sure the gap to mercedes is huge. But its easier to close a gap than trying to maintain that gap. My hunch is that Ferrari has something big to improve the gap. Something that couldn't be produced sooner then the chinese gp. We have a good car that seems to handle well in corners. We lack straight line speed, traction coming out of the corners.. But i'm sure our team can sort that out. We have a working wind tunnel, we have allison and tombazis. In fact we have a whole team of able guys. Once we have our problems sorted im sure we can bring the fight to mercedes. No doubt in my mind. We are Ferrari! We will come back, and jaws will be dropped, mark my words!

[Nero Horse]

A car as ugly as the F14T can't win any races. On looks alone, the car flunks the exam. Not that the other teams have better looking hardware. Formula 1 is a disgrace and has even lost the purely aesthetic allure it once had.

What on earth are you talking about?! The car isn't "ugly" at all, it looks beautiful and awesome, the only thing we need is to get some more speed into it that's all.

[Alonso14]

If we have new parts to test in 2 days time then why didn't we check them out on friday (surely they were ready and shipped by then) maybe it could of helped us today. If we don't have new parts then i don't see the test having any value as we have lots of data on this track in terms of setup and tyer performance.

Depends on how "big" the package is. FPs are quite limited in terms of time (4:30 hours) and there is work to be done in these sessions as well - setup, qualy runs, heavy fuel runs, tyres deg, etc. To physically change an aero package with another takes some time so it's understandable why they made the call to test it on Wed


What on earth are you talking about?! The car isn't "ugly" at all, it looks beautiful and awesome, the only thing we need is to get some more speed into it that's all.

Everything with our livery would look good :thumb And when I say "good", I mean "best-looking on the grid" :-)

[Nero Horse]

Everything with our livery would look good :thumb And when I say "good", I mean "best-looking on the grid" :-)

Totally agree. :thumb

[shamim179]

If we have new parts to test in 2 days time then why didn't we check them out on friday (surely they were ready and shipped by then) maybe it could of helped us today. If we don't have new parts then i don't see the test having any value as we have lots of data on this track in terms of setup and tyer performance.

Spot on. It doesn't make sense that we didn't try out the new parts during the practice sessions. Maybe we did this on purpose so that we have a baseline to compare against? Nevertheless, it wouldn't have been any harm if we fitted one of the cars with the new parts? Who makes these decisions? Whose responsibility is it to do the programme of works?

[radosav]

5808

[PadGeT]

If we have new parts to test in 2 days time then why didn't we check them out on friday (surely they were ready and shipped by then) maybe it could of helped us today. If we don't have new parts then i don't see the test having any value as we have lots of data on this track in terms of setup and tyer performance.
Even if they don't have new parts(which i doubt highly)they still can carry a lot of simulation work to validate its findings on the track , so dat wen new parts do arrive, they work right off the bat.

[Alonso14]

5808


:lol

LdM: "Did you just tell me to keep calm?

[doublesixes]

What on earth are you talking about?! The car isn't "ugly" at all, it looks beautiful and awesome, the only thing we need is to get some more speed into it that's all.

Need I say more?

5809

[mrnl]

You're too optimistic. For sure we'll improve by some areas but i don't think it'll never enough to catch merc engine. There is at least 4 turn and 1 long straight that we'll gonna weak against merc engine in shangai. I'm expecting a race like today in china.

For sure, Mercedes are far ahead in front of everyone else but it is exhibited more so at some tracks than others, one has to bear in mind. If we take doomsaying and disappointment aside, I think it's most important to look ahead and make progress at every step in an attempt to fix a situation we truly never wanted to find ourselves into. And all the guys in Maranello are sparing no effort, rest assured, and that's the only healthy attitude people involved in the project could have.

In terms of progressing with the car, I believe there is a lot to be refined as I've mentioned before, particularly on the software side but it's a steady process where gains are going to be cumulative. This is where most of the focus is placed on atm, as it is the area that necessitates priority treatment, as I'm no software engineer I cannot unfortunately speculate much on what needs to be done in detail.

However, developing other areas is equally as important. In aero ( a field I'm more comfy with) we actually have a lot of positives to report, as well as promising updates in the pipeline. Some are tailored towards alleviating the top speed problem and that has resulted in a slightly larger upgrade package, which needs longer time to develop, hence the delay in introduction. Some suspension tweaks are also to be evaluated with focus on improving front end response and mechanical grip.

Bottom line of a long post is that, whereas this is not a desirable position to be in, Ferrari needs to work hard and improve steadily through the season no matter of where that leads as a outcome relative to the competition. It owes it to its brand, it's employees and it's fans. So, realistically speaking, seeing continuous improvement is my goal and expectation for this really complicated season.

[JacKy]

I've been watching F1 since 1986, and back then Ferrari was worse then it looks now. Sure the gap to mercedes is huge. But its easier to close a gap than trying to maintain that gap. My hunch is that Ferrari has something big to improve the gap. Something that couldn't be produced sooner then the chinese gp. We have a good car that seems to handle well in corners. We lack straight line speed, traction coming out of the corners.. But i'm sure our team can sort that out. We have a working wind tunnel, we have allison and tombazis. In fact we have a whole team of able guys. Once we have our problems sorted im sure we can bring the fight to mercedes. No doubt in my mind. We are Ferrari! We will come back, and jaws will be dropped, mark my words!

SD saying this words for 4 years. And we never see that big improvement. Please wake up from this optimistic dream. No way, absolutely no way to catch mercedes in this year. Gap is 1.2-1.5 sec in quali. 2-2.5 sec in race pace. We are now 5th position on team leaderboard. But i bet we'll drop to 6th position after china.

[Cheeseman]

Apart from more horse power, our car clearly needs a lot more downforce and overall grip. The Ferrari's handling is bad, during the first 5-6 laps both Ferrari's were constantly locking up under braking. Both drivers were struggling to heat the tyres up. The power delivery is poor as well, Kimi was overtaken easily a few times exiting the turn 8 hairpin. The ferrari seems to get get bogged down and other cars just drove straight past him. I'm trying to see the bigger picture here and I can't help but think that Ferrari is struggling with the new technology in the cars this year. I read, in a recent interview with SD, that Ferrari had to invest in a lot of new technology as 1.6 turbo engines is not really what Ferrari is about and they are having to learn a lot. Fiat has some turbo experience but it seems not enough to be useful to Ferrari. Mercedes and Renault on the other hand has a lot of technologies available to them. Obviously not fact, just a thought :-)

[PadGeT]

The Ferrari's handling is bad, during the first 5-6 laps both Ferrari's were constantly locking up under braking.

Kimi Raikkonen: “Overall, the handling of our car has generally improved compared to the first races and this makes me confident for the upcoming ones."
- See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/bahrain-gp-kimi-raikkonen-confident-future#sthash.yOI0ZXEG.dpuf

[Alonso14]

Kimi Raikkonen: “Overall, the handling of our car has generally improved compared to the first races and this makes me confident for the upcoming ones."
- See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/bahrain-gp-kimi-raikkonen-confident-future#sthash.yOI0ZXEG.dpuf

Technically improving a dog to being "less dog" is progress but Formula 1, like everything in life, is about context. Our context is our rivals to whom we are severely lacking at this point.

[Nero Horse]

Need I say more?

5809

No, you didn't need to say anything at all in the first place. And I still think that the F14-T looks absolutely gorgeous and awesome and that picture that you put there only proves it even more. But you're entitled to your own personal opinion of course. :-)

[PadGeT]

A fast car always looks good. Ours ain't atm.:-D

[WS6TransAm01]

Illegal

Bernie's contract with them means they have to turn up even if they was running last.

Well, it's a breach of contract, not really illegal. Opens Ferrari up to financial liability. But you have to think of it this way maybe; how much is being overtaken by a Force India multiple times in a race as if the F14t had a boat anchor attached to it damages the brand financially? Which costs more? A supercar manufacturer looking like they can't build a car or paying money to Bernie.

Lets be honest, I will not stop supporting Ferrari just because they laid an egg, yet again, but this is disgraceful.

I understand that my idea is ridiculous but if I was LDM I would be embraced to say the least. He is running a company who's founder said that aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines. This would imply that Ferrari can build engines... not according to what I saw today. This is bad for the brand, at the end of the day Ferrari is not in the business of looking like fools.

Okay, another stupid thought.

Let's say we write the year off, but have to show up as per contract. Fine, use the whole weekend as testing. Even during the race, start the race, pit every 10 laps for a new wing, throw sensors on the car and so forth. Technically we are no longer racing, threw the championship away, technically, we showed up, so Bernie can pound sand. And technically we are not testing outside of the rules (thou even if we did, we already know that all we would get is a slap on the wrist ie Mercedes last year)

I don't know, the boys in the factory know better, but this is just pathetic. I don't even understand who Kimi and Fernando can act so positive. I can only hope they know something we don't and are not just toeing the company line.

Ugh.

[JacKy]

A fast car always looks good. Ours ain't atm.:-D

I hope we'll make this car beautiful till monza. I don't wanna see +1 Lap gap by mercedes end of monza...

[windwaves]

Well, it's a breach of contract, not really illegal. Opens Ferrari up to financial liability. But you have to think of it this way maybe; how much is being overtaken by a Force India multiple times in a race as if the F14t had a boat anchor attached to it damages the brand financially? Which costs more? A supercar manufacturer looking like they can't build a car or paying money to Bernie.

Lets be honest, I will not stop supporting Ferrari just because they laid an egg, yet again, but this is disgraceful.

I understand that my idea is ridiculous but if I was LDM I would be embraced to say the least. He is running a company who's founder said that aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines. This would imply that Ferrari can build engines... not according to what I saw today. This is bad for the brand, at the end of the day Ferrari is not in the business of looking like fools.

Okay, another stupid thought.

Let's say we write the year off, but have to show up as per contract. Fine, use the whole weekend as testing. Even during the race, start the race, pit every 10 laps for a new wing, throw sensors on the car and so forth. Technically we are no longer racing, threw the championship away, technically, we showed up, so Bernie can pound sand. And technically we are not testing outside of the rules (thou even if we did, we already know that all we would get is a slap on the wrist ie Mercedes last year)

I don't know, the boys in the factory know better, but this is just pathetic. I don't even understand who Kimi and Fernando can act so positive. I can only hope they know something we don't and are not just toeing the company line.

Ugh.

another great idea ! you are good :)

Anything guys, anything is a go in this disastrous situation. Anything.

[JacKy]

Well, it's a breach of contract, not really illegal. Opens Ferrari up to financial liability. But you have to think of it this way maybe; how much is being overtaken by a Force India multiple times in a race as if the F14t had a boat anchor attached to it damages the brand financially? Which costs more? A supercar manufacturer looking like they can't build a car or paying money to Bernie.

Lets be honest, I will not stop supporting Ferrari just because they laid an egg, yet again, but this is disgraceful.

I understand that my idea is ridiculous but if I was LDM I would be embraced to say the least. He is running a company who's founder said that aerodynamics are for those who can't build engines. This would imply that Ferrari can build engines... not according to what I saw today. This is bad for the brand, at the end of the day Ferrari is not in the business of looking like fools.

Okay, another stupid thought.

Let's say we write the year off, but have to show up as per contract. Fine, use the whole weekend as testing. Even during the race, start the race, pit every 10 laps for a new wing, throw sensors on the car and so forth. Technically we are no longer racing, threw the championship away, technically, we showed up, so Bernie can pound sand. And technically we are not testing outside of the rules (thou even if we did, we already know that all we would get is a slap on the wrist ie Mercedes last year)

I don't know, the boys in the factory know better, but this is just pathetic. I don't even understand who Kimi and Fernando can act so positive. I can only hope they know something we don't and are not just toeing the company line.

Ugh.

Lol. I thought exactly the same stupid idea of yours by last night. Kimi dont give a *** about anything all the time. So he can act positive but i must say i am suprizing that fernando's acting. Either he has a good poker face or he don't give a sht about anything too.

**Mind the language, even if abbreviated. **

[windwaves]

I am afraid LdM accomplished close to nothing with the talks to FIA, Eccleston, Todt etc. This is problematic.

I sort of like the dude, would not know enough about the character to judge him. But what transpired so far from his meetings today is not great. Also, I am not sure why he has not fired SD yet, that incompetent dude who still has not had the decency to resign himself. Changes ought to start from the top and clearly that is SD.

[sachin]

Ok we struggled in the straight's so what we do in China,Monza,Spa etc?
And what on earth is Alonso saying? It was a good race?:-E

[Alesi1]

Ok we struggled in the straight's so what we do in China,Monza,Spa etc?
And what on earth is Alonso saying? It was a good race?:-E

Poor guy can't open his mouth without being dumped on. Look at last year crazy stuff. He must be going nuts. I said some time ago that we are worse now than in the early nineties post Alain prost. I was basically laughed at. If merc weren't cruising and we didn't have safety car we had the pace to be lapped. This is th shock for me. Let's not forget I think we also have the 2 best drivers so It could have been even worse. How can we expect guys who are world champions to drum p the desire to drive these buckets of pus we are producing. If we get Ross back, he will know how to fix the car based on knowledge he used to make the mercs quick. Feel sorry for him also he created he merc and n paddy Lowe is smelling like roses. Farcical

[JacKy]

Ok we struggled in the straight's so what we do in China,Monza,Spa etc?
And what on earth is Alonso saying? It was a good race?:-E

Earth of pollyanna or earth of sarcasm

[Hornet]

Good points. But I wonder would you be so open minded if places are turned between Mercedes and Ferrari? Would you still think it is not right if Farrari is so dominant over competition? During Ferrari dominance 2000-2004 I didn't felt guilt for being simply the best team out there! Not at all! Ferrari simply did job better than others!
Well the difference is we didn't have any homologation rules to protect us. Everyone was free to bring new engines, aero, anything to each race. Our competitors had all the chance to beat us and we had to continuously improve to stay ahead. I think that's how competition should be. The engine homologation basically froze the advantage Merc had in February before the season even started.


Ok we struggled in the straight's so what we do in China,Monza,Spa etc?
And what on earth is Alonso saying? It was a good race?:-E
The team probably knew where we would ended up as they all tested here for 2 weeks in winter testing. So there was no point getting all depressed to the media anyway.

If nothing change, I fear we may not see a Ferrari driver on the podium in Monza this year, which will be a shame for the fans.

[Alfa159]

It was obvious from the first race that this car would struggle...at least some of those that criticised posters that spoke out against the car have finally taken their rose coloured glasses off and realized these cars are very ordinary ... I really don't see scope for any improvement to compete for either the wdc or wcc this year.

[Hornet]

What does this post serve, if not rubbing in peoples' face the fact that Mercedes is winning, easily too and we're having for whatever the reason a hard time?

I can understand your happiness, respect it even but this post does not belong in this thread and you should be sensitive to understand this.

Post reported.
Easy there, I believe that's a picture of himself. He's a long time user here and IIRC he often take part as a track marshal in Abu Dhabi. He's just excited to be able to take a picture with the real trophy. How many of us have such chance to hold a F1 trophy ;-)


Yes. I do agree that it was a questionable thing to do by Luca by leaving like that. I wouldn't be pleased if my boss left earlier than planned regardless of how dire the results are. People will not think highly of you and you will lose respect by doing that. You just don't do that kind of thing. Didn't anyone advise Luca that it isn't a good idea that you leave? If nobody pointed that out to him that suggests there is a culture of fear in Ferrari and if someone did point it out to him it must have been disheartening seeing him leave like that despite being advised to stay. It's in times like this that you come out and show strong leadership not go and crawl behind a rock.
I think Luca DM have a superstition against attending race day. In Italy, he only shows up on qualifying day.

[Sanomas]

No, you didn't need to say anything at all in the first place. And I still think that the F14-T looks absolutely gorgeous and awesome and that picture that you put there only proves it even more. But you're entitled to your own personal opinion of course. :-)

To me F14 T is looks just fine, not as good as Mclaren (well they always good looking!), all the matter for me is it MUST be red and neighing in the track! That's all!


Just look at her...

http://d41.img-up.net/19b934.jpg

Isn't she looking great?!


p.s: image is from earlier test season in last winter.

[Hornet]

Ferrari is certainly one of the better looking car. I don't understand why Martin Brundle hates our nose so much, the finger noses out there are worse. Torro Rosso nose is just obscene :-G

Our nose looks isn't as nice when compare to previous years, but among this year's car, I think it's the best looking:thumb

[Laferrari]

Ok we struggled in the straight's so what we do in China,Monza,Spa etc?
And what on earth is Alonso saying? It was a good race?:-E
poker face...inside he is extremely furious or disapointed to see a double champ and a team " Ferrari" with a dog and be a joke to the paddock.

[Senna4Ever]

You'd be a complete nightmare for company in a real crisis. You clearly don't actually support Ferrari, so what are you doing here?

YOU can say hello or goodbye to me - and then we are finished ... okay ...
But you won't tell me if I do support something or not ...

and the complete nightmare for a company like FERRARI is a performance of this ... there is no need from my side to do something ...
and as long the Big Boss is running away due to our performance ... there is no need from my side to do something damage ...

It is already done ...

[Kingdom Hearts]

I am afraid LdM accomplished close to nothing with the talks to FIA, Eccleston, Todt etc. This is problematic.



Todt laughed on Montys face, he basically told him to f*** off and get a clue about fuel saving. We have zero political power right now.

[Kristof_F40]

poker face...inside he is extremely furious or disapointed to see a double champ and a team " Ferrari" with a dog and be a joke to the paddock.

Probably he's just keeping himself calm, you know last year when he said something about the car.. So he just says everything was good. The fact that LDM left the track early and was furious says enough I think

[Senna4Ever]

Go ahead if it brings you some comfort, sadly it seems you along with some others are happy we are not doing well just so you can say "told you so".

if you go back you will find me saying that I'm really not sure what is real and if it is that bad or not what we have found out after testing ...

No sir, the point is another: all those who said, that the results don't look good had been hunted and insulted ... just because they saw it other way and told us so ...