Austrian GP 2014 Race Thread

[Katu]

An hour to go and it's racing time again

[SinanOzerS]

Right it's racing time again, unfortunately. Forza Ferrari.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Please don't screw the start/first lap.

forza.

[Forzi]

Looking like a hard one for Kimi. Would like Fernando jumping a Merc or a Williams at the start. Need a lil of magic here, might grab a podium.

Forza Ferrari :thumb

[stefa]

:ferrarifl

Hope for a interesting race, and good Ferrari result at the end!

[Greig]

Right it's racing time again, unfortunately. Forza Ferrari.

Nice sig, maybe you should not bother watching.

[Rishu]

Jumping Mercedes could be futile looking at the endless straight between turns 1 & 2

[vcs316]

Looking like a hard one for Kimi. Would like Fernando jumping a Merc or a Williams at the start. Need a lil of magic here, might grab a podium.

Forza Ferrari :thumb


Even if we jump a Merc or Williams, we will still be overtaken quote easily. Our top speed is nothing compared to the Williams and our grip is nothing compared to the Mercs or Red Bull 😢

[SinanOzerS]

Nice sig, maybe you should not bother watching.

Don't ever reply my messages again. Please.

[Greig]

Don't ever reply my messages again. Please.

Ok

[FerrariF60]

any good links for this???

thx adn forza ferrari

[Lesky]

Alonso 2nd today after Rosberg. Hamilton to crash out :-)

[vcs316]

I just hope we can hold on to P4 and fend off RIC, VET & HAM.

[Katu]

http://www.vipboxeu.co/motorsports/183234/1/f1-grand-prix-tv---practices,-qualifying-and-races-live-stream-online.html

[Paulo Goncalves]

Hi guys, how the weather like? Gonna rain
?


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[FerrariF60]

http://www.vipboxeu.co/motorsports/183234/1/f1-grand-prix-tv---practices,-qualifying-and-races-live-stream-online.html

thanks mate

[Hornet]

Good day everyone. I like this track, it seems to really challenge the driver, especially at turn 8 and 9. Looking forward to an exciting race. A podium for Ferrari I hope :pray

[FerrariF60]

Hi guys, how the weather like? Gonna rain
?


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nah, looks pretty clear and sunny....even a bit warmer then yeasterday

[Scuderia85]

Froza Ferrari

[Paulo Goncalves]

nah, looks pretty clear and sunny....even a bit warmer then yeasterday

Thanks a lot Ferrari fan


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[AfterLife]

I am waiting for Fernando Alonso's magic in race ;-)

[Rishu]

Good to see a relaxed Mark Webber

[Hornet]

All the best everyone :ferrarifl

[Ed Harley]

I just hope they get past 1st turn intact.

[fratelliferrari]

Forza Ferrari and Felipe!!!

[wacc]

Good luck Ferrari!

:ferrarifl

[Kyss4k]

:ferrarifl

[Nero Horse]

Good luck to our boys! Forza Ferrari!

:ferrarifl

[REDARMYSOJA]

Well, my trip was canceled, so I get to watch live as the anvil falls from the sky and lands on Felipe's car.

Forza Fernando!

Forza Kimi!

Forza Ferrari!


:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl




And Forza Felipe!!!

[FerrariF60]

I am waiting for Fernando Alonso's magic in race ;-)

he always does some magic doesn't he??? but also he can only do so much with the tools at his disposal; ferrari DOES NOT have a championship or race winning car yet this year (but of course you must have known that from how the season has started off)

so all in all, let's pray for a good and clean start/race and i'm sure Fernando will try to do a bit of MAGIC

[Rishu]

Best of luck Ferrari!

[fronaldo]

Forza Ferrari !!

[elnano98]

:ferrarifl Forza Ferrari, Fonzo Alonso

[Katu]

let's hope for good clean start and then a wonderful race!!

[Kyss4k]

Lewis...

[SinanOzerS]

Hamilton.

[Greig]

Alonso made that a bit too easy :-(

[Greig]

Seb out

[SinanOzerS]

Vettel gone.

[Greig]

Vettel gone.

Yeah

[Ed Harley]

Dr. Marko's face.

[stefa]

Wow, what a move from LH?!?!?!
This is going to be easy 1-2 for Mercedes!

[stefa]

Dr. Marko's face.

Priceless! This should have happen a lot last year!

[SinanOzerS]

"For some reason i've got a drive again."

[Kristof_F40]

Wow that Merc pace.. It's not just a good start from HAM, thata car also is just, damn there good

[Alesi1]

Alonso made that a bit too easy :-(
What could he do, the difference in drive between those 2 cars was like the diff between an f1 and gp2, crazy.

[AfterLife]

Dvaid Croft's way of commentary when Hamilton overtook Alonso was ridiculous.

[Kristof_F40]

Fernando di everything perfect, there was no point, that Merc is much faster, why would he lock is tyres our compromise his exit in turn 8? The Mercs are too fast, did you see how cautious ROS and even HAM were? They know they're the fastest

[SinanOzerS]

Nando racing his own.

[Alesi1]

Dvaid Croft's way of commentary when Hamilton overtook Alonso was ridiculous.

Maybe if we could develop our engine like f1 used to do, it woudnt have been so easy, what's the point. The regs are making t way to easy for merc

[20000rpm]

So much for crying to bring changes in engine regulations and finally built a engine.

[hogo]

Amazing start for us! But damn Merc cars are way too fast...

[Kristof_F40]

Yeah, English press saying how awesome Hamilton is, yeah and what about a car that is so much faster than any other car.. Hopefully Kimi takes MAG, and hopefully we're good on tyres.. With interteamduels in the front, there's Always a chance for something to happen... we need to be there to collect, like RIC in Canada

[Greig]

What could he do, the difference in drive between those 2 cars was like the diff between an f1 and gp2, crazy.

Defend the position.

[Alesi1]

Mercedes BBQ is our only hope really

[Kyss4k]

Yep, Alonso is driving his own race. Williams are impressive.

[wacc]

12:13 Both Alonso and Vettel have received warnings about Turn 8 track limits.

[Kyss4k]

Defend the position.

Brudle said Mercs were 20kp/h faster in the turn 8 then us, so I guess Alonso didn't even expect that somoene could try to dive in there... but Merc could.

[20000rpm]

Maybe if we could develop our engine like f1 used to do, it woudnt have been so easy, what's the point. The regs are making t way to easy for merc
We have to admit we were complacent that we would build a good engine from our past experiences. Mercedes took serious note of the regulations and built an engine to last. We didn't. Its that simple.

[Alesi1]

Defend the position.

Well, fair point but position was lost anyway, no point losing time as well, shows he now has 8 sec on 6th place. Guess that is why he's there and we're here :)

[Kyss4k]

Mercs 1-2 after the pits. Race over.

[AfterLife]

Dvaid Croft's way of commentary when Hamilton overtook Alonso was like they were both fighting. Liar Crofty should tell Alonso allowed Hamilton to pass.

[Kristof_F40]

shouldn't we pit?

[Alesi1]

Fancy freezing engines at the start of the year at the start of a new formula, how ignorant of the fia

[Kristof_F40]

Not good for Kimi, lost a lot

[Alesi1]

At moment merc engines in 1 formula, others in f2

[hogo]

Kimi fell into his doom again... And before stops he was just 1 car apart from Alonso. WTH??!

[IulianFerrari]

They had to cover with Kimi all the pits ricciardo, magnussen did. What were Ferrari thinking, pitting so late ?

[Kyss4k]

I would think Alonso would be catching Perez while everyone is stuck behind him... but he is almost .5s slower in clean air.

[SinanOzerS]

Nando fastest lap.

[elnano98]

Alonso 1'13.963

[REDARMYSOJA]

Mercedes seems very concerned about Hamilton's brakes.

[elnano98]

Alonso used fuel so much

[SinanOzerS]

Alonso putting fastest times in last sector.

[Kristof_F40]

I think that's a new best for us, only 10s after leader after 31 laps

[Kyss4k]

Alonso flying

[elnano98]

Alonso is flying

[SinanOzerS]

If the pace with supersofts was bit better...

[20000rpm]

Sauber having a bad race :(

[Kristof_F40]

Magnussen doing a good job this weekend.

Vettel: I think it's clear now, remember Fernando's interview with Lee McKenzie (BBC) from Brazil 2013?

[DIEK]

The four times world champion showing his true talent! :-D

[IulianFerrari]

Ferrari strategy cost Kimi 3 places not pitting him to cover ricciardo, hulk...

[Kristof_F40]

Ferrari strategy cost Kimi 3 places not pitting him to cover ricciardo, hulk...

I agree, but if you look at Kimi's pace, it's very incosistent and also not fast enough at this point, he still isn't past RIC. Indeed he lost places, but he also stayed there..

[SinanOzerS]

Maybe we'll fight with Massa to the end of the race, just maybe...

[DIEK]

The Fake champion leaves the race, at last... :lol

[The Architect]

So difficult to follow the front of race with all this fuel saving.

[Rob]

Fernandos first pitstop was 2 seconds dead

[DIEK]

Hamilton on fire! :-D

[IulianFerrari]

I agree, but if you look at Kimi's pace, it's very incosistent and also not fast enough at this point, he still isn't past RIC. Indeed he lost places, but he also stayed there..
He would also have stayed in 7th.

[IulianFerrari]

Williams doing the same mistake, not covering Lewis with Bottas's car and Lewis is through, this is not rocket science how are teams not getting this ?

[Kristof_F40]

We might have a problem in Perez....

[Kristof_F40]

Fernando P1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



(sorry couldn't resist)

[SinanOzerS]

Fernando is still putting his best sector times.

[FerrariF60]

Fernandos first pitstop was 2 seconds dead

really, i missed that....wow that is impressive PIT STOP

[Rob]

The Fake champion leaves the race, at last... :lol

Why fake?

[DJTaurus]

Mercedes have destroyed both hamiltons pit stops..... personally i love it :-P

[Alesi1]

No sure if we should pit or not, pace is not much slower than mercs andwilliams

[Kristof_F40]

or speed is actually very good isn't it?

[Kristof_F40]

No sure if we should pit or not, pae is not uch slower than mercs andwilliams

Fernando should stay out, tyres still ok, still good pace, if we pit, we're stuck behind Perez

[Rob]

really, i missed that....wow that is impressive PIT STOP

So did sky funny enough. Had pit channel on and just saw the times

[FerrariF60]

Why fake?

common mate, we all know he's only doen it with teh help of EBD, before Newey got it working in 2010 or 2012 Webber was doing much better then he was

now with teh new formula, he's nowhere compared to Richiardo and he's getting schooled by his teammate

[SinanOzerS]

We should have pit now.

[Kyss4k]

Are we trying 1 stopper? Or SS - S - SS?

[Scuderia85]

great lap times by fernado now

[Schumiklub]

We need to pit now, FA is starting to lose too much time, seems the tyres are gone.

[DIEK]

Why fake?

Because won thanks to Redbull cheats, now can see his true level. :-G

[Kyss4k]

Ok, well that was wierd strategy.

[hogo]

First race this year that is really worth watching. Thanks to the amazing track design.

[Kristof_F40]

Complements to our pit crew, consistently fast stops

[Kristof_F40]

Ok, well that was wierd strategy.
Yeah, but I think tyres started to fade away..

[Rob]

common mate, we all know he's only doen it with teh help of EBD, before Newey got it working in 2010 or 2012 Webber was doing much better then he was

now with teh new formula, he's nowhere compared to Richiardo

He was only using the tools he had. And made him 4 time champion. We had best tyres and car 2000-2004, that make Schuey fake champion? No. Its just disrespectful to call him names. Yes its funny yes it shows without his gizmos he a ok driver. But what he done shouldnt be laughed at.

[Kristof_F40]

He was only using the tools he had. And made him 4 time champion. We had best tyres and car 2000-2004, that make Schuey fake champion? No. Its just disrespectful to call him names. Yes its funny yes it shows without his gizmos he a ok driver. But what he done shouldnt be laughed at.
Schuùacher proved himself in lesser cars, Vettel hasn't. Now he has a lesser car, and he screws up. There's a huge difference

[Ed Harley]

He was only using the tools he had. And made him 4 time champion. We had best tyres and car 2000-2004, that make Schuey fake champion? No. Its just disrespectful to call him names. Yes its funny yes it shows without his gizmos he a ok driver. But what he done shouldnt be laughed at.
Hear, hear!

[Black Adder]

Why is Kimi's pitt stop strategy always so dramatic. Kimi was behind Alonso before the 1st stop and ended up 5 or § places behind him.

[Alesi1]

He was only using the tools he had. And made him 4 time champion. We had best tyres and car 2000-2004, that make Schuey fake champion? No. Its just disrespectful to call him names. Yes its funny yes it shows without his gizmos he a ok driver. But what he done shouldnt be laughed at.

Sorry mate can't compare to Schumi; vettel is a fraud, Schumi wasn't! The best driver was in the best car then. Vettel was not the best driver, yet was in the best car. Completely different sorry

[FerrariF60]

He was only using the tools he had. And made him 4 time champion. We had best tyres and car 2000-2004, that make Schuey fake champion? No. Its just disrespectful to call him names. Yes its funny yes it shows without his gizmos he a ok driver. But what he done shouldnt be laughed at.

i'm not laughing at him, i'm just saying that without a perfect car he's NOWHERE, compared to Schumi and/or Alonso that with an average car still try and extract 120% out of what they have at their disposal, THAT'S ALL...

[Rob]

Schuùacher proved himself in lesser cars, Vettel hasn't. Now he has a lesser car, and he screws up. There's a huge difference

True i know that. But to call him a fake due to the car is same as calling Schuey a fake because he had best car.

[JacKy]

Wish massa crash into perez again..

[FerrariF60]

Schuùacher proved himself in lesser cars, Vettel hasn't. Now he has a lesser car, and he screws up. There's a huge difference

THIS....well said mate

[Scuderia85]

:clap

[Ed Harley]

IIRC and FWIW, SV won Monza in a Toro Rosso.

[SinanOzerS]

Wish massa crash into perez again..

We don't need it, Nando could catch him.

[Kristof_F40]

Sorry mate can't compare to Schumi; vettel is a fraud, Schumi wasn't! The best driver was in the best car then. Vettel was not the best driver, yet was in the best car. Completely different sorry

Indeed, if we would have had the best car, Fernando would have won 4 championchips with Ferrari and still be the best driver.. Button is also a world champion, but I don't consider him among the best drivers on the grid..

[Kristof_F40]

Fernando's pace this race actually isn't that bad..

[JacKy]

Lol raikkonen...

[SinanOzerS]

Poor Kimi...

[IulianFerrari]

Why is Kimi's pitt stop strategy always so dramatic. Kimi was behind Alonso before the 1st stop and ended up 5 or § places behind him.
Compliments of Ferrari strategy, the times when we had the a great strategist in the team are far behind us...

[FA fan]

LOL Kimi team radio

[JacKy]

Fernando's pace this race actually isn't that bad..

Pace is good indeed. But i noticed that pace get better after we lose some fuel. We're not that good at the start.

[FerrariF60]

Poor Kimi...

yup, i feel for him...that's all ferrari's missing, some more power

[Wildcat]

They really screwed up on Kimi with that strategy...

[Alesi1]

Classic Kimi; we need 2 tenths - kimis reply - give me more power then !

[JacKy]

damn first sector...

[hogo]

THIS....well said mate

Hello??? What about his year in crappy Torro Rosso? Vettel even managed to win with that car! Sorry but question Hamiltons talent (who's never raced in a lesser car) not Vettels.

[SinanOzerS]

damn first sector...

All about engine power unfortunately.

[Kristof_F40]

True i know that. But to call him a fake due to the car is same as calling Schuey a fake because he had best car.

Ok, he is the true champion, but that doesn't make him as a driver "a champion", he was just a stupid kid in the right place at the right time, nothing more... There's just too much evidence that Vettel isn't that good of a driver. Schumacher was a champion and was very Lucky to have such good Ferrari's to extend his records. Fernando was a champion and didn't had the luck Schumacher had at Ferrari. Seb had the luck, but wasn't and isn't a "champion"

[Rob]

Hello??? What about his year in crappy Torro Rosso? Vettel even managed to win with that car! Sorry but question Hamiltons talent (who's never raced in a lesser car) not Vettels.

Lewis and the 2009 Mclaren. That was a skip with wheels.

[JacKy]

now its under 2 sec.

[Ed Harley]

A champion is a champion. Period.

[Kristof_F40]

Hello??? What about his year in crappy Torro Rosso? Vettel even managed to win with that car! Sorry but question Hamiltons talent (who's never raced in a lesser car) not Vettels.

Yes, on Monza in the rain from pole position with a car that had very good top speed, with trouble weekend for the front runners. Never forget that his teammate qualified 4th, his teammate was Bourdais, a crappy driver, so that care was capable of pole. Only thing he needed to do was drive a way frome pole, that's the only thing Seb can if he is in a good car.

[Kristof_F40]

Hello??? What about his year in crappy Torro Rosso? Vettel even managed to win with that car! Sorry but question Hamiltons talent (who's never raced in a lesser car) not Vettels.

Yes, on Monza in the rain from pole position with a car that had very good top speed, with trouble weekend for the front runners. Never forget that his teammate qualified 4th, his teammate was Bourdais, a crappy driver, so that care was capable of pole. Only thing he needed to do was drive a way frome pole, that's the only thing Seb can if he is in a good car.

[DIEK]

Alo with hard tyres, is flying! :-D

[Scuderia85]

alonso reeling in massa

[Alesi1]

Forget vettel. FA is catching massa, purple in sector 3

[IulianFerrari]

They really screwed up on Kimi with that strategy...
Stupid strategy from Ferrari, not bothering Fernando at all if Kimi had pitted when it was needed, Alonso came in 2 laps after Magnussen when Kimi should have pitted. Looks like one of those seasons for Kimi

[stefa]

Yet again BORING race....

[JacKy]

1.7 sec.. But even mercedes can't pass williams on the straight.

[F2008]

Alonso out of nowhere, what a driver :lol

[JacKy]

mistake by massa. its now under 1 sec.

[SinanOzerS]

C'mon Nando !

[Nero Horse]

Alonso is Boss. :thumb

[hogo]

Lewis and the 2009 Mclaren. That was a skip with wheels.

lol that car was the third fastest!

[SinanOzerS]

Just don't have enough horse power. Damn.

[Rishu]

Catching is easy but overtaking Williams will be really hard

[DJTaurus]

Schuùacher proved himself in lesser cars, Vettel hasn't. Now he has a lesser car, and he screws up. There's a huge difference

Correct me if i am wrong but he has proved himselft in toro rosso.




2007

Vettel driving the Toro Rosso STR2 at the 2007 Brazilian Grand Prix
Vettel struggled for his first couple of races while cutting his teeth with his new team, but managed two impressive drives in his 5th and 6th drives for Toro Rosso, a team that was averaging a little worse than 14th place in the 2007 season before Vettel's arrival. In the rain-hit Japanese Grand Prix at Fuji, Vettel worked his way up to third, behind Lewis Hamilton and Red Bull Racing's Mark Webber, and seemed to be on course for not only his but also Toro Rosso's maiden podium finish. However, Vettel crashed into Webber under safety car conditions taking them both out of the race and prompting Webber to say to ITV reporter Louise Goodman "It's kids isn't it... kids with not enough experience – you do a good job and then they it all up." Webber also specifically criticized Lewis Hamilton's erratic behaviour in contributing to the accident, describing his antics behind the safety car as "".[31][32] Vettel was initially punished with a ten-place grid penalty for the following race, but this was lifted after a spectator video on YouTube showed the incident may have been caused by Hamilton's behaviour behind the safety car.[33] Vettel bounced back to finish a career-best fourth a week later at the Chinese Grand Prix having started 17th on the grid while in mixed conditions. He collected five championship points, making it both his and Toro Rosso's best race result.

[JacKy]

Hearing weird engine sound alonso's onboard. I mean its not like usual

[hogo]

Correct me if i am wrong but he has proved himselft in toro rosso.

you are not wrong. Vettels haters are just blind to these facts.

[Schumiklub]

Alonso gave up I think, or maybe some issue.

[FerrariF60]

Alonso gave up I think, or maybe some issue.

well teh williams is way too fast on the straights, so why even bother

[Ed Harley]

Odd for Mercedes to let them race each other at this point of the race.

[hogo]

Alonso gave up I think, or maybe some issue.

I expected similar result to the one in Canada. P5 today with so few cars that DNF, I think is an epic result!

[Rob]

Merc team orders.

[stefa]

Boring...

[Alesi1]

If gangster Lewis loses title to Rosberg ths year, don't know whether he will want to stay at merc, his ego won't be able to take it.

[Ed Harley]

Merc team orders.
Engine settings apparently.

[Alonso14]

Alonso is MEGA.
Raikkonen....meh

[stefa]

just 18.7 sec behind winner...

[Kristof_F40]

If gangster Lewis loses title to Rosberg ths year, don't know whether he will want to stay at merc, his ego won't be able to take it.

Indeed, he has Always been acting like he was Senne etc. But now he gets beaten by Rosberg, perhaps Lewis is a bit faster, but he has made some mistakes + I think mentally ROS is stronger.. Season is long but indeed, if ROS wins fair and square, what will Lewis do?

[Schumiklub]

Awesome race by FA

[SinanOzerS]

Another superb performance by Nando.

[F1NAC]

Borig race

[JacKy]

Well it was good race for alonso, at least better than i expect. We could faster than williams if there were a few more turn at circiut. Anyway.. Cya later guyz at silverstone..

[DIEK]

you are not wrong. Vettels haters are just blind to these facts.

The Toro Rosso of that year, was a Rebull B, a rocket in some tracks.

This year many mouths are silents and don't say that just by Vettel.

[Kristof_F40]

Fernando is great.

Shame for Felipe, if first stop would have been better perhaps he would have been on the podium for Williams..

Will be interesting to see Lewis vs Rosberg. Lewis will get in a situation where "he has nothing to loose"

[Nero Horse]

boring, boring, boring...congrats to Robserg for the WDC, bring on next season. :lou

Good race from Fernando.

[Ed Harley]

Valtteri, perkele! :wave

[Alesi1]

FA ~ 30s clear of Kimi jeez

[Kristof_F40]

FA ~ 30s clear of Kimi jeez

Indeed, Kimi lost out with pit stop, but not 30s, he didn't had the pace.. RBR wasn't good here, and he didn't manage to pass one.. I'm not saying Kimi isn't good, I think the car is a handfull..

[hogo]

Not good that Kimi lost to a car with Renault engine (Ricciardo)... Cars with Merc engine are way too fast in tracks like this one so losing to them is expected. But Alonso drove outstanding race somehow. Again proves that he's the best driver out there.

[JacKy]

-203 point in 8 race with mercedes..

[Katu]

i managed to fell asleep, many times during the race

[Rob]

Tell you what, we should sign that driver Massa and replace poor performing Kimi, oh what a minute...:-G

[Alesi1]

I know we haven't done as good a job as merc with power unit but bit unfair to fix development so early especially in this new formula. Fia have significantly contributed to this 1 team dominance

[Greig]

About as expected, Alonso delivering on what we have right now while Kimi still struggles with a poor car as expected. Well done Nico on the win.

[Katu]

Tell you what, we should sign that driver Massa and replace poor performing Kimi, oh what a minute...:-G
really? his team-mate beat him today

[SinanOzerS]

Tell you what, we should sign that driver Massa and replace poor performing Kimi, oh what a minute...:-G

So, what about Bottas ? Oh wait a minute :-G

[stefa]

Tell you what, we should sign that driver Massa and replace poor performing Kimi, oh what a minute...:-G

Ferrari should have signed someone young and develop him into a big name

[stefa]

really? his team-mate beat him today

Right!

[SilverSpeed]

Karma :rotfl
http://i.imgur.com/9BnlgWc.gif

[Ed Harley]

Ferrari should have signed someone young and develop him into a big name
What Ferrari needs is experienced drivers to help bring the team back in winning ways.

[hogo]

The Toro Rosso of that year, was a Rebull B, a rocket in some tracks.

This year many mouths are silents and don't say that just by Vettel.

His next year in Torro Rosso have been even more impressive but hey he was practically driving a RedBull! :roll And about this year.. Well after 4 years in the best car you will get spoiled, you want it or not.

[Cozza]

Lol at the red bull track most of the retirements are red bull cars hahaha

[fratelliferrari]

Fernando drove very good again once again! Kimi not good. Iam really sorry Felipe didn't manage to get a podium!

[Alesi1]

Funny how the first season of pat symonds at Williams brings some success so quickly. We shoud be swapping our pat for their pat.

[stefa]

What Ferrari needs is experienced drivers to help bring the team back in winning ways.

They already have one EXTRAGIGAMEGA2WDC experienced driver. It is clearly not up to him to bring Ferrari back into winning ways!

[Lesky]

How did Red Bull win 4 straight titels with this reability? Vettels car is breaking down somehow almost every weekend :-)

[Rob]

Ferrari should have signed someone young and develop him into a big name

Hulkenberg. 120%

[Nero Horse]

Alonso was magnificent, pretty decent race from Kimi as well. And hey, at least we beat the Macca's again (gotta find some positives to cheer us up) ;-)

[Ed Harley]

They already have one EXTRAGIGAMEGA2WDC experienced driver. It is clearly not up to him to bring Ferrari back into winning ways!
That is why the complete group involved is called a team. The team is trying to bring Ferrari back into the light.

[Rob]

That is why the complete group involved is called a team. The team is trying to bring Ferrari back into the light.

They are, and as we know, things take long time to gel and get working as one. Things are going right direction, we will be there soon, very.

[Aberracus]

Congrats to Nando, he is the real deal !

And, is Kimmi really an asset for Ferrari ?

Felipe proved again to be good racing fast laps, but not good to pass cars.

Was a good race.

Mark probably having a laugh at Sebastian for receiving this year his bad luck.

See you in Silverstone

[Kristof_F40]

Hulkenberg. 120%

Yeah, but he also isn't shining against Perez, and Perez was matching Button

[Nero Horse]

LOL @ RB ...I bet that Mateschitz is cursing himself right now for not bringing in the Austrian GP a year earlier. :rotfl

[Kingdom Hearts]

Fantastic Fernando and Kimi again appalling, if he keeps like this, he should not continue in the team next year. He is a champion, one of the best, get your stuff together, adapt, whatever it takes and do it quickly, Ferrari is losing a massive amount of points.

[stefa]

Hulkenberg. 120%

Couldn't agree more!

[Hornet]

Good effort by Alonso and the team to take P5, this was the max we could do given our pace.

We're not that far off the Williams and Merc like earlier in the season, so I hope this are signs that we are making progress.

[stefa]

That is why the complete group involved is called a team. The team is trying to bring Ferrari back into the light.

It seams that this team running Ferrari is not so good at doing that!

[Ed Harley]

It seams that this team running Ferrari is not so good at doing that!
I'm under impression that they are trying to improve.

[stefa]

I'm under impression that they are trying to improve.

For 5 years in a row...

[Ed Harley]

It takes as long as it takes.

[Nero Horse]

Kimi again appalling, if he keeps like this, he should not continue in the team next year. He is a champion, one of the best, get your stuff together, adapt, whatever it takes and do it quickly, Ferrari is losing a massive amount of points.

Once we get our car issues sorted out then I'm sure Kimi will start performing the way we expect him to perform.

[F2008]

Alonso very strong race. Kimi still struggling with the car but I don't think it's easy to find another driver who could do a better job. Same when Massa was on the team.

[Suzie]

Quite a boring race. Think Ferrari need to give Williams a few tips on how to do a quick pitstop as well :-??

[tifosi1993]

Alonso shows his class again, absolutely fantastic performance. Unarguably, the best driver in F1. :bow

I am happy with our performance today.Lets not forget Austria is a rare-end limited power circuit. So its good to see that the team are starting to make improvements.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Once we get our car issues sorted out then I'm sure Kimi will start performing the way we expect him to perform.

We got Kimi to do a better job for the team, he is doing worse than Massa, what was the point of letting Massa go?. Why not hiring a young driver, someone that learn from Alonso, after all is not like Hulk or Bianchi will do much worse than Kimi.

A driver must deliver with the car he is given, period.

[Hornet]

I thought it was funny seeing Lewis fans blaming the team and pit crew, forgetting that it was Lewis fault he qualified badly.

Unfortunately we also saw similar comment here blaming Ferrari's pit wall. Guess it's much easier to blame the pit wall.

[Nero Horse]

We got Kimi to do a better job for the team, he is doing worse than Massa, what was the point of letting Massa go?. Why not hiring a young driver, someone that learn from Alonso, after all is not like Hulk or Bianchi will do much worse than Kimi.

A driver must deliver with the car he is given, period.

Who could've predicted that Kimi would have such a tough time with this year's car? He had a very good seasons with Lotus last year and in 2012, that's why Ferrari hired him. But this season Kimi's just not able to get comfortable with the new turbo F1 car, same with Vettel.

[FA fan]

It takes as long as it takes.


I thought it was funny seeing Lewis fans blaming the team and pit crew, forgetting that it was Lewis fault he qualified badly.

Unfortunately we also saw similar comment here blaming Ferrari's pit wall. Guess it's much easier to blame the pit
wall.

As mark pointed out to Lewis he needs to position his car better at the pit stops:-D

[Greig]

Who could've predicted that Kimi would have such a tough time with this year's car?

Lot's of us on here, for a start :-)

[FA fan]

Well the race was boring,unfortunately Perez had a clean race.LOL

[Nero Horse]

Lot's of us on here, for a start :-)

Really? Do you have a crystal ball with which you can predict the future? :-)

[Alonso14]

Really? Do you have a crystal ball with which you can predict the future? :-)

No but we have the ability to look at data and analyze it. Kimi made Grosjean and Massa look like absolute elite driver who have multiple WDC potential. Alonso made them look like Chiltons. Surprise, surprise - Alonso dominates Kimi as well.

Personally, I didn't expect so much domination but a harder to drive car exposes Kimi even further.

[uvaman]

5892

[FFFerrari]

Very boring race. Alonso did the absolute maximum with P5, the team managed to destroy Kimi's race (once again) with the awful tactic of late pitting in the first stint. I guess one point is better than none. Felipe seemed lost compared to his teammate and Perez is starting to look very good compared to last year.

[Suzie]

Oh no please don't tell me this is another hilarious Kimi quote.

[F2008]

Who could've predicted that Kimi would have such a tough time with this year's car? He had a very good seasons with Lotus last year and in 2012, that's why Ferrari hired him. But this season Kimi's just not able to get comfortable with the new turbo F1 car, same with Vettel.

From the 44 races that Kimi and Massa drove at Ferrari together, it was quite clear that Kimi wasn't going to resolve Ferrari's problems. It's not that Kimi or Vettel forgot how to drive, they are just not racing Grosjean or Webber anymore.

[LivingHitokiri]

Gotta love how quick people are coming in to put Raikkonen on fire after this race, despite the fact of a bad strategy that ruined the majority of his race.
Massa ?
You mean the one that started on pole on a much quicker Williams and ended up 4th and almost got passed by Fernando with a much much slower car ?
Hulkeberg doing better job at Ferrari ? How? With what ? he can barely hold on Perez with Force India that got Mercedes engine and we know very well how big of advantage that is.

Yes Raikkonen is struggling and nobody likes that but give the man some time, he barely got into the team with new rules and until Canada he couldn't even communicate with his race engineer properly.
Fernando was expected to do the job better, not only because he is around with us 5 years already but because he is known to shine the most when the car is poor.


Anyone seriously thinking that Massa , Hulkeberg and Bianchi ( not even sure how can one put him here) would do better on this car,with such amount of time and with new rules is highly deluded.

[Hornet]

Very boring race. Alonso did the absolute maximum with P5, the team managed to destroy Kimi's race (once again) with the awful tactic of late pitting in the first stint. I guess one point is better than none. Felipe seemed lost compared to his teammate and Perez is starting to look very good compared to last year.

Kimi pit right after Alonso in the first stint. How could that "late" stop completely screwed Kimi over but not Alonso? In the second stop, Kimi was pitted first. Didn't made any difference.

[pluto]

Tell you what, we should sign that driver Massa and replace poor performing Kimi, oh what a minute...:-G

lol. At least now it shows how idiotic all those people were who said massa sucked. He never sucked. Alonso is just god.

[FA fan]

Gotta love how quick people are coming in to put Raikkonen on fire after this race, despite the fact of a bad strategy that ruined the majority of his race.
Massa ?
You mean the one that started on pole on a much quicker Williams and ended up 4th and almost got passed by Fernando with a much much slower car ?
Hulkeberg doing better job at Ferrari ? How? With what ? he can barely hold on Perez with Force India that got Mercedes engine and we know very well how big of advantage that is.

Yes Raikkonen is struggling and nobody likes that but give the man some time, he barely got into the team with new rules and until Canada he couldn't even communicate with his race engineer properly.
Fernando was expected to do the job better, not only because he is around with us 5 years already but because he is known to shine the most when the car is poor.

Anyone seriously thinking that Massa , Hulkeberg and Bianchi ( not even sure how can one put him here) would do better on this car,with such amount of time and with new rules is highly deluded.

Hulkenberg is much more consistent than the erratic Perez,even now he has double the points than his team mate!

[Nero Horse]

From the 44 races that Kimi and Massa drove at Ferrari together, it was quite clear that Kimi wasn't going to resolve Ferrari's problems. It's not that Kimi or Vettel forgot how to drive, they are just not racing Grosjean or Webber anymore.

Ferrari wanted a stable performer and points scorer and based on 2012/013 it looked like Kimi was the right man for the job, but for whatever reason he just hasn't been able to get comfortable with this year's car, unfortunately. And no, of course Kimi and Vettel haven't forgotten how to drive, but these new F1 cars with less downforce and other major changes compared to previous years simply don't seem to suit them, but hey that's just my opinion.

[LivingHitokiri]

Kimi pit right after Alonso in the first stint. How could that "late" stop completely screwed Kimi over but not Alonso? In the second stop, Kimi was pitted first. Didn't made any difference.

Because simply put Alonso had clear air while Raikkonen was fighting with a pack of 4.
We should've pitted Kimi sooner than others like we did with Fernando in Spain,especially since the gap between Kimi and Fernando was around 6-7s and the Undercut wouldnt affect Fernanado but it would help Kimi to stay ahead of the pack and make a gap for the second stint.

The second pit stop didnt matter as Kimi already lost too much time. There is no doubt that the strategy on Kimi was bad.

[pluto]

Ferrari wanted a stable performer and points scorer and based on 2012/013 it looked like Kimi was the right man for the job, but for whatever reason he just hasn't been able to get comfortable with this year's car, unfortunately. And no, of course Kimi and Vettel haven't forgotten how to drive, but these new F1 cars with less downforce and other major changes compared to previous years simply don't seem to suit them, but hey that's just my opinion.

Ferrari were quite silly to replace Massa with the driver he beat. Just think about that logic for a second. They were also tricked, like many people into underrating how good those Lotus cars were. They were amazing cars which flattered Kimi. It's really that simple. Now Kimi looks like Massa, and Massa looks much better. All about the cars. When will people learn?

[LivingHitokiri]

Hulkenberg is much more consistent than the erratic Perez,even now he has double the points than his team mate!

Consistent ?
Perez 3 retirements this season which are the reason he is behind hulkenberg . If we check the races tho perez is fighting much more than hulkenberg, he is the one racing with a strategy and working by gaining places from back of the grind , not hulkenberg, he is really mediocre so far.

[Nero Horse]

Ferrari were quite silly to replace Massa with the driver he beat. Just think about that logic for a second. They were also tricked, like many people into underrating how good those Lotus cars were. They were amazing cars which flattered Kimi. It's really that simple. Now Kimi looks like Massa, and Massa looks much better. All about the cars. When will people learn?

Ok then, you obviously know better which driver is the best choice than all the people working at Ferrari. :-)

[Katu]

Yes Raikkonen is struggling and nobody likes that but give the man some time, he barely got into the team with new rules and until Canada he couldn't even communicate with his race engineer properly.

well he can't now communicate properly with his race engineer

[FA fan]

Consistent ?
Perez 3 retirements this season which are the reason he is behind hulkenberg . If we check the races tho perez is fighting much more than hulkenberg, he is the one racing with a strategy and working by gaining places from back of the grind , not hulkenberg, he is really mediocre so far.

Well Hulkenberg was forced to start his race with a used super soft tyre and his race was compromised from the start,had he started with the softs he would have been in Perez place,calling him mediocre is really funny!!

[Katu]

The second pit stop didnt matter as Kimi already lost too much time. There is no doubt that the strategy on Kimi was bad.

yes, it's always Kimi who gets bad strategies

[Kingdom Hearts]

Ferrari wanted a stable performer and points scorer and based on 2012/013 it looked like Kimi was the right man for the job, but for whatever reason he just hasn't been able to get comfortable with this year's car, unfortunately. And no, of course Kimi and Vettel haven't forgotten how to drive, but these new F1 cars with less downforce and other major changes compared to previous years simply don't seem to suit them, but hey that's just my opinion.


My problem with this is that Ferrari already knew that Kimi is very special, he has a narrow window to perform at his best and he needs very specific things to do well, Ferrari knew that they are building difficult cars to drive. Ferrari has toons of data of Kimi, I really can't understand why they didn't hire Hulk when he was one sms away of becoming a Ferrari driver. I don't think we will ever know the truth anyway.


But whatever, Kimi is here to stay at least this year, so we have to support him because scoring only 24% of the team points after 8 races is abysmal.

[NickEice]

Strategy ruined Kimi's race?! Give me a break. They both pitted on the same strategy. Kimi got "held up" because he didn't perform yesterday. Plain and simple. He lost track position due to poor qualifying. He looked awful in that car. You didn't see Alonso struggling in every corner. Kimi even got a warning during the race for going off at turn 8 multiple times. Don't blame strategy for Kimis position. Don't come make excuses for him being 0-8 vs Alonso. He's awful this year. How much more time does a veteran driver need to get "accustomed" to a team he has already driven for in his career!? Were almost half way through the season!

The only good thing about Kimi sucking is that most Kimi-bots stay off the forum in shame.

[LivingHitokiri]

Ferrari were quite silly to replace Massa with the driver he beat. Just think about that logic for a second. They were also tricked, like many people into underrating how good those Lotus cars were. They were amazing cars which flattered Kimi. It's really that simple. Now Kimi looks like Massa, and Massa looks much better. All about the cars. When will people learn?

Lets see.

2007-2009
Raikkonen : 1 WDC , 9 wins, 233 points
Massa: 0 WDC, 9 wins , 213 points


So no, statistically you're wrong as we can see that Raikkonen clearly beat Massa.
No, the Lotus were on par with us in terms of performance, not amazing cars as you make them sounds.
No Kimi doesnt looks like Massa, he doesn't getting beat by a rookie called Bottas , he is getting beat by Fernando Alonso, an 2 WDC which has proven his driving capabilities and talent in the past many many times.

[Nero Horse]

Because simply put Alonso had clear air while Raikkonen was fighting with a pack of 4.
We should've pitted Kimi sooner than others like we did with Fernando in Spain,especially since the gap between Kimi and Fernando was around 6-7s and the Undercut wouldnt affect Fernanado but it would help Kimi to stay ahead of the pack and make a gap for the second stint.

The second pit stop didnt matter as Kimi already lost too much time. There is no doubt that the strategy on Kimi was bad.

Oh here we go with the "bad strategy for Kimi" talk again lol. :roll

[F2008]

Lets see.

2007-2009
Raikkonen : 1 WDC , 9 wins, 233 points
Massa: 0 WDC, 9 wins , 213 points


So no, statistically you're wrong as we can see that Raikkonen clearly beat Massa.
No, the Lotus were on par with us in terms of performance, not amazing cars as you make them sounds.
No Kimi doesnt looks like Massa, he doesn't getting beat by a rookie called Bottas , he is getting beat by Fernando Alonso, an 2 WDC which has proven his driving capabilities and talent in the past many many times.

Before Hungary 2009, Kimi collected 195 points.

And Massa is pretty much on par with Bottas atm.

[LivingHitokiri]

well he can't now communicate properly with his race engineer
he does much better now in terms of communications as he said .


Well Hulkenberg was forced to start his race with a used super soft tyre and his race was compromised from the start,had he started with the softs he would have been in Perez place,calling him mediocre is really funny!!
Hulkenberg got passed on the last lap by Ricciardo on a Renault engine when they had the same strategy.
Perez throughout the year so far shows much more fighting spirit than hulkenberg, thats undeniable , so, yes, hulkenberg so far got mediocre performance .


yes, it's always Kimi who gets bad strategies

Not really, Fernando lost a WDC due to bad strategy in the past, we are known to make bad calls after Brawn/Tod era.

[fratelliferrari]

Lets see.

2007-2009
Raikkonen : 1 WDC , 9 wins, 233 points
Massa: 0 WDC, 9 wins , 213 points


So no, statistically you're wrong as we can see that Raikkonen clearly beat Massa.
No, the Lotus were on par with us in terms of performance, not amazing cars as you make them sounds.
No Kimi doesnt looks like Massa, he doesn't getting beat by a rookie called Bottas , he is getting beat by Fernando Alonso, an 2 WDC which has proven his driving capabilities and talent in the past many many times.

Let's see.

Felipe got injured in Hungary with a crash that almost cost his life and he couldn't drive the rest of the 2009 season and still Kimi only scored 20 points more than him so I don't understand what you are trying to tell :Hmm

[LivingHitokiri]

Oh here we go with the "bad strategy for Kimi" talk again lol. :roll
Well when you get out 7 places behind your teammate after pit stops when you were 2 it surely shows on how well the strategy worked.



Before Hungary 2009, Kimi collected 195 points.
Irrelevant,i could give you tons of reasons on why Kimi didnt got more ,especially in 2008. The facts are the above i posted so no, Raikkonen never got beaten by Massa.

[LivingHitokiri]

Let's see.

Felipe got injured in Hungary with a crash that almost cost his life and he couldn't drive the rest of the 2009 season and still Kimi only scored 20 points more than him so I don't understand what you are trying to tell :Hmm

Hmm, and how exactly you know that Massa would score more points in 2009 with the car we had?
Only 20 points? 20 points is the gap of 2 wins my friend.

[fratelliferrari]

Hmm, and how exactly you know that Massa would score more points in 2009 with the car we had?
Only 20 points? 20 points is the gap of 2 wins my friend.

Wow you are a mastermind indeed that are 2 wins! I will never know just as you will never know but Felipe began the 2009 season better than Kimi so why shouldn't he have scored 20 points more during the rest of the season without the injury.

[FA fan]

@Katu,@F2008,@Nero Horse,@Fratelliferrari, sorry if I missed others, sometimes there is no point in making a point and arguing about it,cuz certain members will always have TONS of reasons to back their point,so just let it go:)

[LivingHitokiri]

Wow you are a mastermind indeed that are 2 wins! I will never know just as you will never know but Felipe began the 2009 season better than Kimi so why shouldn't he have scored 20 points more during the rest of the season without the injury.

Kimi started first 10 races in 2013 and was 2nd on WDC till Hungary ,even ahead of Fernando. He had scored 133 points by then and only managed 50more by the end of the season. So having a better season start means nothing.
In 2009 by Hungary Massa had 22 while Raikkonen had 18 points, then Raikkonen had the best second half of the season bar Hamilton by 1 point.
So no, again, Massa never beat Raikkonen ,simple as that.