2019 Brasilian GP RACE

[nani_s23]

And Vettel denies driving to the left... Sorry, but he is slowly sinking on Hamilton level...

Once he sees the video himself then will apologise definitely.

[crbassassin]

Let’s see if golden boy gets a penalty...

I dont think they are gonna hand Vettel a penalty.

[nani_s23]

Both were guilty. Why did Lerlerc squeze team mate in the first place. And why did Seb go left when he was ahead. Charles wasnt innocent. Would nearly crashed on Lap 1 by similar move with norris
Who cares season is over.

Yup Lec didn’t leave enough space at first where vettel got squeezed but Lec has every right to do so.
After that when vettel passed Lec there no point where vettel need to push his team mate.

Also these Ferrari cars very sensitive, even with slight touch every part is getting out easily.
Look at merc & RB, it’s like their car can run full distance even with damage floor/wing etc

[ferrari1.8t]

I dont think they are gonna hand Vettel a penalty.

I was talking about Hamilton.

[paolo lalli]

Charles at least will win the Pirelli trophy for the most pole positions for 2019 what a spectacular effort brilliant simply brilliant.

[crbassassin]

The whole problem I think is that former champions can't deal with being #2.

Kimi wants to have a word with you.

[DelMar]

I was talking about Hamilton.
He knew but he is a Hamilton fan.

[crbassassin]

He knew but he is a Hamilton fan.

I'm an Alonso fan.

[tifosi1993]

Look, he's the fourth best driver on the grid tied with Ricciardo and way better than Bottas.

The whole problem is that he can't accept his team mate is faster. He could be a fabulous #2 if he only realized that was his job. He's better than Bottas for sure. The whole problem I think is that former champions can't deal with being #2.

You already answered your own post. He can't accept number 2, so he shouldn't be here. Pretty simple.
What? you expect Leclerc to play second fiddle to Vettel? after scoring more points, getting more poles and winning the qualifying battle?

[alfaromeo]

I don’t know what to say in the first place Ferrari are to slow in the race like today. Yes vettel will be in 3 place if sf ...but with 20s behind. Slow corners are problem s2 in Brazil show that. If in this area Ferrari for 2020 will not improve will be 3 team behind Red Bull and Mercedes. But I’m optimistic because drive train of Ferrari is the best and for 2020 it is going to be even better. Only downforce ands aerodynamic must to improve and of course vettel- leclerk problem.

[F2008]

I would say Alonso is the best possible option to replace Vettel, if Ferrari wants to win a title before the new regulations step in. He can take championships to the wire with an inferior car, Vettel proved he can't.

[Ferrarichamp]

I thought Alonso had enough of F1?

[Tifoso Svedese]

The problem is at this race, he wasn't slower than Lerlerc but faster. Due to safety car, Leclerc has the gap to him erased and ended up with fresh soft behind him.

Also, the team should have pit Vettel at the safety car as well. He had so much time to the next car that he wouldn't have lost anything even with a long 10+ sec pit. It was a no brainer...

Big difference starting P2 and P14. Leclerc lost a lot of time battling through traffic and suffering on the hards. Their pace was rather equal, but Charles was the one having the fresher tyres and going forward. Seb needed to calm down and accept he was defeated. You can't race your team mate like you race other team's drivers. The whole problem is that he always opens the door to Hammy but races Charles like his life hung upon it.

[DelMar]

You already answered your own post. He can't accept number 2, so he shouldn't be here. Pretty simple.
What? you expect Leclerc to play second fiddle to Vettel? after scoring more points, getting more poles and winning the qualifying battle?

Yes the quali is 11-9 in favor of Charles (Vettel could not take part in German quali or Hungary Q3, At Mexico Charles ended up front by virtue of Bottas crash)
On the other hand the races are 11-8 in favor of Vettel.

No, they wont accept being number 2 to each other which is normal. But what is expected is that they have to race without taking each other out.

[nani_s23]

1more race to go. Given free hand to max 3rd in WDC.
At least get 1-2 finish in the final race & finish the season on high note.

[nani_s23]

Yes the quali is 11-9 in favor of Charles (Vettel could not take part in German quali or Hungary Q3, At Mexico Charles ended up front by virtue of Bottas crash)
On the other hand the races are 11-8 in favor of Vettel.

No, they wont accept being number 2 to each other which is normal. But what is expected is that they have to race without taking each other out.

Exactly. Lec had quali advantage, vettel in race. But both are competitive drivers not like Bottas or Albon who can do favours to their co-drivers.
Next season Lec/vettel both will push to the maximum if we get a strong car. But there should be an instruction not to fight against each other.

[Greig]

Is Alonso free for the Abu Dhabi weekend? :-D

[DelMar]

Red Bull might quite be the favorites at Abu Dhabi.

But I think one of Mercedes guys told that they were a bit disadvantaged here at high altitude because of the smaller compressor. They may be back to top at the last race.

[tifosi1993]

Yes the quali is 11-9 in favor of Charles (Vettel could not take part in German quali or Hungary Q3, At Mexico Charles ended up front by virtue of Bottas crash)
On the other hand the races are 11-8 in favor of Vettel.

No, they wont accept being number 2 to each other which is normal. But what is expected is that they have to race without taking each other out.

Based on what exactly? I mean if we're playing this game. Leclerc's race wins could've been easily 5. He lost wins in Bahrain, Singapore and Russia without doing anything wrong.
Right now the point tally is: Lec 249-Vet 230, and today Vettel costed Leclerc an easy P2.

What we need is a clear no.1-2 policy, like Mercedes and Red Bull. And Leclerc is the obvious choice for the number 1 driver. And as you said, Vettel's ego is too for the number 2 role, so he shouldn't be in the team.

[paolo lalli]

Drivers do not follow instruction.They need orders and failure to comply will result in millions of euros deducted at seasons end .One thing drivers respect 100% is there hip pockets.The mighty dollar will get there full attention.

[Greig]

Lewis 5 sec penalty

[tifosi1993]

Lewis 5 sec penalty

Only 5 seconds?!? :lol

[DelMar]

Based on what exactly? I mean if we're playing this game. Leclerc's race wins could've been easily 5. He lost wins in Bahrain, Singapore and Russia without doing anything wrong.
Right now the point tally is: Lec 249-Vet 230, and today Vettel costed Leclerc an easy P2.

What we need is a clear no.1-2 policy, like Mercedes and Red Bull. And Leclerc is the obvious choice for the number 1 driver. And as you said, Vettel's ego is too for the number 2 role, so he shouldn't be in the team.
Based on race finishes obviously.
Leclerc didn't win the Bahrain race but he finished in front of Vettel. Also in Russia in which he got in front by the team and then Vettel's engine expired.

[DelMar]

Finally it took a while but at least he got it.

[ferrari1.8t]

Only 5 seconds?!? :lol

At least Sainz gets P3, but he was robbed of the podium.

[tifosi1993]

Based on race finishes obviously.
Leclerc didn't win the Bahrain race but he finished in front of Vettel. Also in Russia in which he got in front by the team and then Vettel's engine expired.

Nope, it's based on the Vettel-fanboy agenda. Leclerc had to move over for Vettel on few occasions, he also told not to attack Vettel in Australia.
And Vettel got ahead of Leclerc at Russia because of the pre-race team strategy where Leclerc ordered not to defend his pole position and give tow to Vettel.

Fact is: Leclerc 249-Vettel 230, with more wins and poles. You can say whatever you want, but it's not gonna change anything. Leclerc is the better driver, which is pretty impressive, considering this is his only 2nd year in F1 and first with Ferrari. (2014 was Ric's 4th year when he trashed Vettel)

Vettel should be sacked for what he did today.

[jgonzalesm6]

At least Sainz gets P3, but he was robbed of the podium.

Albon was robbed of the podium IMO.

[Tifoso]

Missed the race. In one sentence what did Vettel do?

[ferrari1.8t]

Missed the race. In one sentence what did Vettel do?

Couldn’t handle not being the faster ferrari driver, took Leclerc and himself out of the race.

[jgonzalesm6]

Missed the race. In one sentence what did Vettel do?

Vettel did a "Turkey 2010" move to Webber what he did today to Leclerc. Except today, both cars were taken out.

[Kyss4k]

Missed the race. In one sentence what did Vettel do?


Brainfarted... oh, you said in one sentence, not one word.

When going side to side with Charles, Seb turned left into him, touched wheels, torn off the wheel in Charles car and punctured his,

[tifosi1993]

Missed the race. In one sentence what did Vettel do?

Got overtaken by Charles (which was an absolute brilliant move), couldn't handle it and had his red-herring moment. (like Turkey 2010 or Singapore 2017)

[Tifoso]

Couldn’t handle not being the faster ferrari driver, took Leclerc and himself out of the race.

Holy carp. Just read a description. Wow
If Vettel was Schumi (for example) you’d be embarrassed, but you’d let it go.
But Vettel is nowhere near Schumi and maybe nowhere near LeClerc (unless he’s taking him out of a race).
We need another driver

[tifosi1993]

Albon was robbed of the podium IMO.

Which is why the penalty should've been more costly. If it was Grosjean, I pretty sure he would've given a 30 secondly penalty with 10-place grid drop for the next race.

[Tifoso]

Thank you for the replies guys :-)

[nani_s23]

Missed the race. In one sentence what did Vettel do?

You got all different replies ....above. :-D

You can select which one you want

[DelMar]

Nope, it's based on the Vettel-fanboy agenda. Leclerc had to move over for Vettel on few occasions, he also told not to attack Vettel in Australia.
And Vettel got ahead of Leclerc at Russia because of the pre-race team strategy where Leclerc ordered not to defend his pole position and give tow to Vettel.

Fact is: Leclerc 249-Vettel 230, with more wins and poles. You can say whatever you want, but it's not gonna change anything. Leclerc is the better driver, which is pretty impressive, considering this is his only 2nd year in F1 and first with Ferrari. (2014 was Ric's 4th year when he trashed Vettel)

Vettel should be sacked for what he did today.

Vettel passed Leclerc on Russia way before they arrived at the corner. He got the best start of the front runners and the slipstream is physics, unavoidable. He was also faster in the race but in any case his engine expired and that race already goes to Leclerc.

At Australia first stint, they were racing in successive positions on the same tires. Vettel put a 10 sec gap to him in that stint. The only reason Leclerc came behind at the end of the race was that Vettel's tires were finished due to bad strategy nothing else...

[wisepie]

Can't believe or accept what happened today, totally unnecessary and a mere tyre-to-tyre touch causes total loss and embarrassment for the team and drivers. Charles has now surely lost P3 in the WDC after Max's win, I don't believe we'll be very competitive in Abu Dhabi either, I always said that Honda would come back to haunt us and once again it was the wrong Merc that expired, but this season we tifosi have had to endure more than we deserve. Only bright light for me was an Alfa double points score.:furious:-E

[tifosi1993]

Vettel passed Leclerc on Russia way before they arrived at the corner. He got the best start of the front runners and the slipstream is physics, unavoidable. He was also faster in the race but in any case his engine expired and that race already goes to Leclerc.

At Australia first stint, they were racing in successive positions on the same tires. Vettel put a 10 sec gap to him in that stint. The only reason Leclerc came behind at the end of the race by Vettel's tires were finished due to bad strategy nothing else...

Again, you have excluded the most important bit: "Leclerc did not defend his pole position", go watch the replay again.

And again, Lec 249- Vet 230, with Lec having more wins and poles. Everything else are excuses.

And yet again, I don't know why we're discussing past races. What Vettel did today was inexcusable, you should focus on that.

[tifosi1993]

Can't believe or accept what happened today, totally unnecessary and a mere tyre-to-tyre touch causes total loss and embarrassment for the team and drivers. Charles has now surely lost P3 in the WDC after Max's win, I don't believe we'll be very competitive in Abu Dhabi either, I always said that Honda would come back to haunt us and once again it was the wrong Merc that expired, but this season we tifosi have had to endure more than we deserve. Only bright light for me was an Alfa double points score.:furious:-E

We will be competitive in UAE, definitely in qualifying and especially with Charles. He was pretty strong there last year in the Alfa + he dominated the race during his F2 season.

And as for Vettel, well....let's just say some of us who are criticizing Vettel, have been proven right once again.

[doublesixes]

Well guys, after everything was said and done we come to realize that our car is 3rd best. We can't really compete any more, in winning terms, with MB or RB. We may bicker around what a lousy job Seb is doing but the bottom line is that Ferrari has lost the winning mojo, for whatever reason (TD and all...)

[DelMar]

You said Vettel can not accept being number 2. I answered to that the quali is 11-9 in favor of Charles and the races 11-8 for Vettel. Why would any of them accept being number 2 ?

and then you brought up some races and I answered.

As for the 249-230 Charles lost 10 points at Bahrain due to engine trouble. But Vettel lost a lot more at Russia or USA.

[KimiBot]

Well guys, after everything was said and done we come to realize that our car is 3rd best. We can't really compete any more, in winning terms, with MB or RB. We may bicker around what a lousy job Seb is doing but the bottom line is that Ferrari has lost the winning mojo, for whatever reason (TD and all...)

I am not so sure about that. Charles started P14 and could have ended P2 without that crash.

[doublesixes]

I am not so sure about that. Charles started P14 and could have ended P2 without that crash.

Lec could not even pass Albon and without Bot's DNF, I'm not sure he would've been in a position to challenge Ham for second, ...or even feisty Vet for that matter.

[tifosi1993]

I am not so sure about that. Charles started P14 and could have ended P2 without that crash.

Plus the medium was awful at the start, soft was clearly the better tyre.

[KimiBot]

Lec could not even pass Albon and without Bot's DNF, I'm not sure he would've been in a position to challenge Ham for second, ...or even feisty Vet for that matter.

But BOT could not pass him, so I think we have a good car, maybe the best.

[KimiBot]

Yeah, I think we have the best car.:-)

[DelMar]

This is Seb's and Charles's crash video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYB4fDz5Vc

The contact is on Seb's left rear and Charles's front right. I wonder what is sharp enough to cause those punctures. The rims or the wheel nuts?

[jgonzalesm6]

"The Stewards reviewed video evidence and heard from the driver of car 5 (Sebastian Vettel), the driver of car 16 (Charles Leclerc) and the team representative .

The Stewards determined that both drivers had the opportunity avoid or mitigate the incident and therefore that neither driver is predominantly at fault. Therefore the Stewards take no further action."

[bonzo]

"The Stewards reviewed video evidence and heard from the driver of car 5 (Sebastian Vettel), the driver of car 16 (Charles Leclerc) and the team representative .

The Stewards determined that both drivers had the opportunity avoid or mitigate the incident and therefore that neither driver is predominantly at fault. Therefore the Stewards take no further action."
Further action should be taken by a man called Camillieri.

[IulianFerrari]

"The Stewards reviewed video evidence and heard from the driver of car 5 (Sebastian Vettel), the driver of car 16 (Charles Leclerc) and the team representative .

The Stewards determined that both drivers had the opportunity avoid or mitigate the incident and therefore that neither driver is predominantly at fault. Therefore the Stewards take no further action."

It was clear for everybody that Vettel had itchy feet, wanted to prove a point. It was his fault they touched. Stewards are a joke as always.

[FerrariF60]

It was clear for everybody that Vettel had itchy feet, wanted to prove a point. It was his fault they touched. Stewards are a joke as always.

Yup, totally agree with you
The sooner Ferrari gets RID of useless Vet, the better and also will save themselves a chunk of money (50 million that is a season)

I’m sure they can find someone better to take his spot for a LOT less money.....someone like the Hulk or even Richiardo

[jgonzalesm6]

It was clear for everybody that Vettel had itchy feet, wanted to prove a point. It was his fault they touched.

agreed

[Brembo]

Meanwhile Honda's in Merc is out ! Louis' car was no match catching the Honda? Botta's car blows up ? All those Honda engine upgrades paid off.

[alfaromeo]

Honda and Red Bull for 2020 !!!they are doing incredible work. The biggest problem will be this team in the future not Mercedes.

[Giallo 550]

The whole situation is completely embarrassing.

[Giallo 550]

“Obviously if we look at our team we are really disappointed because the mistake the two drivers made cost us dearly,” Binotto told Sky Sports Italy.

“We will analyze what happened in the coming days. I don’t want to say it now because I haven’t watch everything yet, but both driver must understand that they damaged the race of Ferrari.

“The drivers were free to fight, but this is a costly mistake that damages the work of all the team.

“We are thinking about not doing the debriefing because we have to send a message to both drivers. I already spoke with them that these are accidents that can happen, but both drivers have responsibility.

“If next year we have two drivers fighting for the world title we would be happy and they would be free to fight, but in this situation? No.”

Great leadership, Mr. Binotto. Way to go.

[Lesky]

Why did Ferrari not issue a team order to let Charles pass Seb immediately after SC ended? Leclerc was on fresh tires and could have challenged for 2nd, keeping him behind Seb was a giant mistake and Seb would never have kept Charles behind until the end, so it just ruined Charles chances as well. Binotto FAILED once again! Will Binotto ever learn? I dont think he will, I am not seeing any improvement on his managment on team orders. Ferrari wont be winning anything with him in charge. The guy cant make a decision during the race on what to do with team orders, not even this time when he had plenty of time to react. If we manage to get together a decent car, this will come back to bite us.

Vettel obviously was angry about getting the wrong call on the SC, and let his feelings do the driving, and let Ferrari pay the results! Beyond stupid.

The positives? That this happened this year with the championship already decided, and that maybe, just maybe Binotto and the drivers can learn something, even though the chance is very slim! Probably the best thing that could happen is if the exact same thing happens in the last race, that could maybe serve as the final wakeup call.

Make Leclerc the number one, and if it does not suit Vettel, he can take a hike! Vettel will get worse and Leclerc will improve not only with age, but with experience. if Binotto does not get that, or lack the balls to enforce it, then find someone who will!

[Stormsearcher]

So he wantedly has a bad start & bad restart n smashed into his team mate?? Yes he did a mistake on his team mate. But the other two wasn’t his fault.

Albon on fresher softs & vettel on used Softs

No driver will wantedly start bad or finish bad. Dont state the obvious. Its understandable that you are a seb fan and some of the comments on here would sting (mainly cause they are true)- but the dolt just lost us a 2-3 or a 3-4 finish; and has the cheek to say (to the reporter) that Lec moved in on him. Arrogance and stupidity.
I would be very glad to see him go.

[Stormsearcher]

Man....Vettel landed the dream opportunity at Ferrari, after RBR streak run of dominate cars ended and Webber got out, he got his rear totally beaten up by Ricciardo and it could have only gotten sourer from there, there were a lot of places he could have gone that would expose him a lot quicker and worst, he landed the best spot an F1 driver could in Formula 1, specially in his situation. The beating he took from Ricciardo was a big warning, but it wasn´t strong enough, only one year for many people to make the case that it was just a season, maybe was a fluke, lack of motivation ,etc. So that year basically got excused away...as if it did not happen.
Ferrari at the time received him as perhaps a new Schumacher and he was paired with Kimi, basically the best team mate any top driver can dream to have, the perfect team mate to make a driver feel good about themselves and raise their confidence. Then he got cars that were much better than Alonso got the seasons he was there.
Then Vettel got an extension to remain rated as a cream of the crop driver for another 5 years almost and keep the illusion going, thanks to Ferrari, had he stayed at RBR with Ricciardo/Verstappen, gone against Lewis in Mercedes, chances are, his status would have crashed much quicker than it did. Vettel should be incredibly thankful for Ferrari... For what they did to him these last 5 years.

But 2017 Singapore and now this!? there is no place for him at Ferrari. Pay him out and sign up Hulkenberg. Start 2020 with clear number 1-2 policy with Leclerc being the number 1.

this!! +100:thumb

[Stormsearcher]

Once he sees the video himself then will apologise definitely.

You are sure of this are you? We will wait for the apology.

[Stormsearcher]

I would say Alonso is the best possible option to replace Vettel, if Ferrari wants to win a title before the new regulations step in. He can take championships to the wire with an inferior car, Vettel proved he can't.

Agreed. But we have Lec now. He is good enough too. As long as his teammate doesnt take him out of the race. :-D

[Stormsearcher]

Honda and Red Bull for 2020 !!!they are doing incredible work. The biggest problem will be this team in the future not Mercedes.

Then you can be sure Seb is trying to get into that car. He would know hes run out of favour with Ferrari AND lec is kicking his rear all over the place.

[nani_s23]

No driver will wantedly start bad or finish bad. Dont state the obvious. Its understandable that you are a seb fan and some of the comments on here would sting (mainly cause they are true)- but the dolt just lost us a 2-3 or a 3-4 finish; and has the cheek to say (to the reporter) that Lec moved in on him. Arrogance and stupidity.
I would be very glad to see him go.

Ohhh man .... you seriously. When he wins no one comes out n post these many messages.
But a mistake, corner him at every stage.
Did I say I’m seb fan ?? Have you seen my bio?
I’m fan of schumi & Alonso. And you know most of Alonso fans are not Vettel fans. I’m one of them.
I support the team ferrari, team includes their drivers too.
Again n again I can’t reiterate to you n all here about my Fanism etc..!!

Mistakes are bound to happen In racing with every driver. Would you predict the future of any driver that he can’t make mistakes ???

Go to Bahrain GP thread, I’ve said vettel with Ferrari 2020 is the last for him. You people do understand that.
I support both drivers, whether they mistake or not it’s irrelevant for me. Until they drive for Ferrari I support them.

Any driver in F1 feels to drive for Ferrari at least for once. That’s the heritage Ferrari carry.
Ferrari don’t need champion drivers, Ferrari make champion drivers.

[Giallo 550]

Why did Ferrari not issue a team order to let Charles pass Seb immediately after SC ended? Leclerc was on fresh tires and could have challenged for 2nd, keeping him behind Seb was a giant mistake and Seb would never have kept Charles behind until the end, so it just ruined Charles chances as well. Binotto FAILED once again! Will Binotto ever learn? I dont think he will, I am not seeing any improvement on his managment on team orders. Ferrari wont be winning anything with him in charge. The guy cant make a decision during the race on what to do with team orders, not even this time when he had plenty of time to react. If we manage to get together a decent car, this will come back to bite us.

Vettel obviously was angry about getting the wrong call on the SC, and let his feelings do the driving, and let Ferrari pay the results! Beyond stupid.

The positives? That this happened this year with the championship already decided, and that maybe, just maybe Binotto and the drivers can learn something, even though the chance is very slim! Probably the best thing that could happen is if the exact same thing happens in the last race, that could maybe serve as the final wakeup call.

Make Leclerc the number one, and if it does not suit Vettel, he can take a hike! Vettel will get worse and Leclerc will improve not only with age, but with experience. if Binotto does not get that, or lack the balls to enforce it, then find someone who will!

+1

[nani_s23]

Few of them are asking for Hulk here.....:rotfl
Lec will easily topple him with 21-0 or 22-0 in quali & in race it’s a question mark.

Bottas/Albon can easily quali ahead of hulk.

Funny that here few of them are aiming at only WDC individual performance n call themselves as Ferrari fans. :clap
Ferrari Is a team, no one is counting on WCC. Pathetic.

[Giallo 550]

Few of them are asking for Hulk here.....:rotfl
Lec will easily topple him with 21-0 or 22-0 in quali & in race it’s a question mark.

Bottas/Albon can easily quali ahead of hulk.

Funny that here few of them are aiming at only WDC individual performance n call themselves as Ferrari fans. :clap
Ferrari Is a team, no one is counting on WCC. Pathetic.

Hard to count on winning the WCC when you have one driver taking the other out. :lou

[Super M]

After yesterday's race, i'm officially dissapointed with Vetel. You've made mistakes before , But yesterday's one was pathetic and embarrassing for a lot of Ferrari tifosi. I think you need to go!!!!


https://www.facebook.com/alex.messmer.547/videos/2435075103400249/?t=16

[nani_s23]

Hard to count on winning the WCC when you have one driver taking the other out. :lou

Same hard to think on the same when on you focus only on WDC. Then who would get WCC?

[ferenc_k]

So much hate.... Sad to see.

[KimiBot]

So much hate.... Sad to see.

Charles was in his way to podium and Seb did not had a chance against him, and then he did what he did. Dont you understand that people are angry.

[bonzo]

What I said in the first post of this thread proved right. Unfortunately. Now then, can it get worse? With Ferrari - yes, it can and it will. I am horrified to think what could get worse and cannot say it ... God forbid!!

[Giallo 550]

Same hard to think on the same when on you focus only on WDC. Then who would get WCC?

Good Lord, what are you going on about?

[JPZ]

Why did Ferrari not issue a team order to let Charles pass Seb immediately after SC ended? Leclerc was on fresh tires and could have challenged for 2nd, keeping him behind Seb was a giant mistake and Seb would never have kept Charles behind until the end, so it just ruined Charles chances as well. Binotto FAILED once again! Will Binotto ever learn? I dont think he will, I am not seeing any improvement on his managment on team orders. Ferrari wont be winning anything with him in charge. The guy cant make a decision during the race on what to do with team orders, not even this time when he had plenty of time to react. If we manage to get together a decent car, this will come back to bite us.

Vettel obviously was angry about getting the wrong call on the SC, and let his feelings do the driving, and let Ferrari pay the results! Beyond stupid.

The positives? That this happened this year with the championship already decided, and that maybe, just maybe Binotto and the drivers can learn something, even though the chance is very slim! Probably the best thing that could happen is if the exact same thing happens in the last race, that could maybe serve as the final wakeup call.

Make Leclerc the number one, and if it does not suit Vettel, he can take a hike! Vettel will get worse and Leclerc will improve not only with age, but with experience. if Binotto does not get that, or lack the balls to enforce it, then find someone who will!

I don't know how things are behind the scenes or what Binnotto's leadership style is, but a F1 team leader has to be a dictator.

If he says, 'let driver pass', there is no debate on the radio about this. It is done.

I believe this is how it works at Red Bull and Mercedes. No debating with the team leader. His job and responsibility is to make these decisions.

[nani_s23]

Good Lord, what are you going on about?

Nothing perhaps thinking abt Ferrari not drivers.
They come n go forever ferrari

[ferenc_k]

Charles was in his way to podium and Seb did not had a chance against him, and then he did what he did. Dont you understand that people are angry.

Even this situation is not a good reason, for so much hate.
It is now getting more against Binotto, and Vettel, than for Scuderia as such...

[Giallo 550]

Even this situation is not a good reason, for so much hate.
It is now getting more against Binotto, and Vettel, than for Scuderia as such...

Cut the sanctimonious garbage. The tifosi are angry and restless, not hateful.

[Brembo]

Cut the sanctimonious garbage. The tifosi are angry and restless, not hateful.

Exactly! Brasil is one of my favorite races of the season. All that waiting for Seb to wreck Charles' chance at the podium. And Charles loses all those points!!!!!!

[Stormsearcher]

Exactly! Brasil is one of my favorite races of the season. All that waiting for Seb to wreck Charles' chance at the podium. And Charles loses all those points!!!!!!

and any chance of finishing 3rd in the drivers championship. :-(

[Stormsearcher]

Ohhh man .... you seriously. When he wins no one comes out n post these many messages.
But a mistake, corner him at every stage.
Hes won once, and made umpteen mistakes. Do the math.


I support the team ferrari, team includes their drivers too.
Again n again I can’t reiterate to you n all here about my Fanism etc..!!
lol.. no one is asking you to. If you were indeed about the Ferrari team, i dont think you would have been so calm at losing both cars in the race with 4 laps left.


I support both drivers, whether they mistake or not it’s irrelevant for me. Until they drive for Ferrari I support them. sorry, i dont believe in blind support. The driver should be worthy of support, amd not just wearing the right uniform.

[Super M]

And on a different note!..........Here's a different couple of questions :

(1) Where on earth did that Red Bull get that straight line speed from ??? ( Is it altitude influenced ? ) coz man that was crazy stuff right there ( and disheartening at the same time for us ) :-(

(2) Did this FIA fuel mixture rule have an effect on our car ? ( it certainly appears so ) :Hmm

[nani_s23]

And on a different note!..........Here's a different couple of questions :

(1) Where on earth did that Red Bull get that straight line speed from ??? ( Is it altitude influenced ? ) coz man that was crazy stuff right there ( and disheartening at the same time for us ) :-(

(2) Did this FIA fuel mixture rule have an effect on our car ? ( it certainly appears so ) :Hmm

Answer is No...

If you look at Max pole at Mexico & Brazil. It suits their car & engine certain at type of tracks.
So RB & even TR was competitive on this track.

Coming to TD by FIA, ferrari didn’t loose anything they are still strongest on straight line.
In Mexico ferrari lost everything where DF was the key in one sector they are not able to make out lap time in the corners.

As the championship is done & dusted. Ferrari using last couple of races as next year design. In order to check which direction they should approach. Not only that they want to protect their tyres with more DF on the car.
Above are the two reasons which ferrari is working on with.

You can see the same in USA S2 & Brazil S2. Whey they are ahead of Mercs at times & below RB.
But still maintaining that straight line speed not as much as earlier due to more Wing which certainly effects top speed.

[nani_s23]

Hes won once, and made umpteen mistakes. Do the math.


lol.. no one is asking you to. If you were indeed about the Ferrari team, i dont think you would have been so calm at losing both cars in the race with 4 laps left.

sorry, i dont believe in blind support. The driver should be worthy of support, amd not just wearing the right uniform.

Lol.....So should I panic & make a mockery here ??? When you know season is done. Seen so many worst performances this isn’t anything bigger. Forgot Singapore GP? Malaysia GP spark plug issue, where we didn’t start at all.
Forgot Sochi ? These are latest.

It’s not my duty to make you believe in blind support. Everyone do have an opinion. Likewise I do have.
You said driver should be worthy of support. Where were you when Kimi returned to ferrari & was not performing to the expectations?? But still went ahead & served for us long time. The same goes with massa?

Later when ferrari started to produce strong cars Kimi & vettel (this is the best team pair I’ve seen for long time after schumi & bar) they started to perform better.

Now that we have two strong drivers so there will be internal battle. It’s not a rocket since.
We’ve seen Ham-Alonso, Max-ric, Ham-Ros etc...

Simple conclusive statement, Lec is making vettel look ordinary that’s it. Where vettel is not able to take pressure.
The same might go for ham if there’s a competitive team along side him then only we can know who is true champion.
Neither ham & vettel drove alongside with strong team-mates to become champions.

If Lec claims title next year, I would rate him a deserving champion because he had competitive team mate who is a 4time WDC.

[Super M]

Answer is No...

If you look at Max pole at Mexico & Brazil. It suits their car & engine certain at type of tracks.
So RB & even TR was competitive on this track.

Coming to TD by FIA, ferrari didn’t loose anything they are still strongest on straight line.
In Mexico ferrari lost everything where DF was the key in one sector they are not able to make out lap time in the corners.

As the championship is done & dusted. Ferrari using last couple of races as next year design. In order to check which direction they should approach. Not only that they want to protect their tyres with more DF on the car.
Above are the two reasons which ferrari is working on with.

You can see the same in USA S2 & Brazil S2. Whey they are ahead of Mercs at times & below RB.
But still maintaining that straight line speed not as much as earlier due to more Wing which certainly effects top speed.


Much appreciated for that technical insight!!! Thank you Nani_s23 :thumb

So we should be a lot better in UAE then.....Or are we still experimenting with DF ?

[nani_s23]

Much appreciated for that technical insight!!! Thank you Nani_s23 :thumb

So we should be a lot better in UAE then.....Or are we still experimenting with DF ?

Looking at the flow of Ferrari set-up from past couple of races they trying to add more DF & see the direction.
So I wouldn’t be surprised if they go with same philosophy/set-up to protect their tyres in the race.
Let’s see, a win or 1-2 finish would give us good ending to the season.

[Super M]

Looking at the flow of Ferrari set-up from past couple of races they trying to add more DF & see the direction.
So I wouldn’t be surprised if they go with same philosophy/set-up to protect their tyres in the race.
Let’s see, a win or 1-2 finish would give us good ending to the season.

Well i certainly hope so nani.......I think they should change Vettels engine so he can start in the mid field and far away from Charles.

Thanks for your replies :thumb;-)

[nani_s23]

Well i certainly hope so nani.......I think they should change Vettels engine so he can start in the mid field and far away from Charles.

Thanks for your replies :thumb;-)

:clap good thought.

But still I’m counting on both our drivers to take the challenge next season too.

[evo_spook]

Simple conclusive statement, Lec is making vettel look ordinary that’s it. Where vettel is not able to take pressure.
The same might go for ham if there’s a competitive team along side him then only we can know who is true champion.
Neither ham & vettel drove alongside with strong team-mates to become champions.

If Lec claims title next year, I would rate him a deserving champion because he had competitive team mate who is a 4time WDC.


Say ***? erm I think you may need to look at who Lewis has had as partners

[Rishu]

Off the topic, Verstappen's second start after SC was very clever. I think this can become a template for tracks having short run down to T1

[Brembo]

Say ***? erm I think you may need to look at who Lewis has had as partners

Bottas is for sure a strong competitor to louis each race as long as his car also is ok. So having Rubens along side Michael is what made Michael a true champion ! Was it Rubens driving or moving over !

[Giallo 550]

Lol.....So should I panic & make a mockery here ??? When you know season is done. Seen so many worst performances this isn’t anything bigger. Forgot Singapore GP? Malaysia GP spark plug issue, where we didn’t start at all.

If you panic and make a mockery, you’ll be doing what Vettel did with a handful of laps left.

No one’s panicking here, because everyone knows we have a driver who can win and contend for a championship, and it’s not Vettel. We are just concerned that his teammate is going to take him out now.

In Sochi, he didn’t follow orders and probably overcooked his engine trying to stay away from Leclerc.

In Singapore, Leclerc followed orders, Vettel was swapped into first, and gifted a win so Ferrari could have a 1-2. If Vettel was actually faster and deserved to win, he would have came in second. That was Ferrari’s victory, not Vettel’s.

[nani_s23]

If you panic and make a mockery, you’ll be doing what Vettel did with a handful of laps left.

No one’s panicking here, because everyone knows we have a driver who can win and contend for a championship, and it’s not Vettel. We are just concerned that his teammate is going to take him out now.

In Sochi, he didn’t follow orders and probably overcooked his engine trying to stay away from Leclerc.

In Singapore, Leclerc followed orders, Vettel was swapped into first, and gifted a win so Ferrari could have a 1-2. If Vettel was actually faster and deserved to win, he would have came in second. That was Ferrari’s victory, not Vettel’s.

Where were you those days when Lec was not within the team ??? As simple as that.

Also you haven’t answered what happened to Lewis when he had faster team mate ?

Lewis crashed into Nico remember !?? Lewis crashed into Kimi remember?

Lec/max opposite to Lewis would be the same result as Lec/vettel.

It’s just in ferrari they have two strong drivers.

You are making pretty contradictory statements. You are saying I’m calm, when asked should I panic then you say no one said to do. :-D pretty much sums up your view. I don’t want to dig it further.

Currently I support both drivers & ferrari that’s it.

[nani_s23]

Off the topic, Verstappen's second start after SC was very clever. I think this can become a template for tracks having short run down to T1

I think Lewis choose wrong place for the restart. That gave max a very good chance. RB was very strong in S1.

[nani_s23]

Say ***? erm I think you may need to look at who Lewis has had as partners

Alonso (equal with points not a champion), hekki kov (rookie), jenson (ham got out scored), Nico (ham lost championship), Bottas (never in championship contention).

Ham fought with Alonso/Kimi/vettel/Ros for the championship titles.
Except Alonso & Kimi .... rest are pretty much ordinary drivers.

[Giallo 550]

Where were you those days when Lec was not within the team ??? As simple as that.

Also you haven’t answered what happened to Lewis when he had faster team mate ?

Lewis crashed into Nico remember !?? Lewis crashed into Kimi remember?

Lec/max opposite to Lewis would be the same result as Lec/vettel.

It’s just in ferrari they have two strong drivers.

You are making pretty contradictory statements. You are saying I’m calm, when asked should I panic then you say no one said to do. :-D pretty much sums up your view. I don’t want to dig it further.

Currently I support both drivers & ferrari that’s it.

1) I'm pretty sure I've been here long before you and Vettel showed up.

2) You're addressing the wrong person. I'm not talking about Lewis.

3) I haven't contradicted myself. You're just illiterate.

[nani_s23]

1) I'm pretty sure I've been here long before you and Vettel showed up.

2) You're addressing the wrong person. I'm not talking about Lewis.

3) I haven't contradicted myself. You're just illiterate.

Then you are replying to illiterate..!! shows such a dumb you are.

I’m here before vettel arrived to ferrari. It doesn’t matter, you tag me a fan boy of vettel. I’m here not because of you, so move on. When you don’t have answers need to shut urself down, rather than calling others as illiterate.

[nani_s23]

There’s a lot of criticism in this forum off late.
Initially, When I started to watch this forum during race weekends something made me excited to be a part of it. I was keen to join & post my views. But didn’t register myself until 2014.

When I started my journey along with my co-members of this forum, with their posts or views I started to learn more technical about the car & driver skill etc. which there by pushed me to analyse few things with my little technical knowledge & was able to post here. But from the past couple of years I see, there is such negitivity against the driver who doesn’t perform to their expectations even though he’s still bounded to Ferrari team & we say were are Tifosi.
There’s a group here who target them & tag others as “you are a fan boy of him” etc ...even though he’s not such.
It’s gone to such extent that there’s personal abuse going on.

Neither I do have interest in all these things nor abuse anyone personally.
I pity for @mwk now how he left, though he’s still watching our forum. Even @Jgonzalezsm6 was very active on this forum earlier . Everyone became limited. I feel it’s the time to call myself off.

Been wonderful journey with all of them here, got a warm & heartful welcome by the mods & all of them.
I wish next year Ferrari gonna Win the title WCC & WDC by either of our drivers. Thank you all. Bye to all.

[Super M]

There’s a lot of criticism in this forum off late.
Initially, When I started to watch this forum during race weekends something made me excited to be a part of it. I was keen to join & post my views. But didn’t register myself until 2014.

When I started my journey along with my co-members of this forum, with their posts or views I started to learn more technical about the car & driver skill etc. which there by pushed me to analyse few things with my little technical knowledge & was able to post here. But from the past couple of years I see, there is such negitivity against the driver who doesn’t perform to their expectations even though he’s still bounded to Ferrari team & we say were are Tifosi.
There’s a group here who target them & tag others as “you are a fan boy of him” etc ...even though he’s not such.
It’s gone to such extent that there’s personal abuse going on.

Neither I do have interest in all these things nor abuse anyone personally.
I pity for @mwk now how he left, though he’s still watching our forum. Even @Jgonzalezsm6 was very active on this forum earlier . Everyone became limited. I feel it’s the time to call myself off.

Been wonderful journey with all of them here, got a warm & heartful welcome by the mods & all of them.
I wish next year Ferrari gonna Win the title WCC & WDC by either of our drivers. Thank you all. Bye to all.


Hey nani_s23........Please don't go man!!......Just do what i do , and ignore the guys that don't add value to your comments. Sadly there are some on here, hence why i choose to look out for guys like you whom i can get a lot of technical info from, Like yesterday, where you replied to my questions!!!

Come on buddy, Hang in there.......Its pleasant to read your comments!

I hope you find the strength to reconsider and just follow certain guys that you like.

Hear from you soon again , i hope :thumb

[wisepie]

We can't all agree all of the time, this forum is supposed to be a place to show our support for Ferrari in good times and bad, and there's nothing wrong with some difference of opinion or sensible discussion. We all get carried away when our team or drivers don't deliver, but nothing would induce me to leave TSN as it's the one place where I feel really connected to my fellow tifosi, so I'm grateful to Greig and Co for making it possible.;-)

[Brembo]

Well said Wisepie! The good times are just around the corner! Enjoying the fight up front and admitting when a driver wins; that he did a good job is not against your team . The races are great with the more competition the better. Enough with the same driver & team wining over and over.

[Rob]

There is no need for personal attacks and abuse. It's in forum rules. People who do abuse others will be penalised. Have acted on current. Will ban, suspend members who do it, and carry on doing it.

It's place Ferrari fans should come and discuss all things Ferrari.

[Stormsearcher]

You said driver should be worthy of support. Where were you when Kimi returned to ferrari & was not performing to the expectations?? But still went ahead & served for us long time. The same goes with massa?

Later when ferrari started to produce strong cars Kimi & vettel (this is the best team pair I’ve seen for long time after schumi & bar) they started to perform better.

Now that we have two strong drivers so there will be internal battle. It’s not a rocket since.
We’ve seen Ham-Alonso, Max-ric, Ham-Ros etc...

Simple conclusive statement, Lec is making vettel look ordinary that’s it. Where vettel is not able to take pressure.
The same might go for ham if there’s a competitive team along side him then only we can know who is true champion.
Neither ham & vettel drove alongside with strong team-mates to become champions.

If Lec claims title next year, I would rate him a deserving champion because he had competitive team mate who is a 4time WDC.

Dude stop digging the hole deeper. Sit back and think about what you are saying.

Not going to respond anymore to your posts about this. I think enough has been said, by everyone and us.

P.S: please note, top right corner of your posts says when you joined. Not Rocket science either :-D

[vcs316]

There’s a lot of criticism in this forum off late.
Initially, When I started to watch this forum during race weekends something made me excited to be a part of it. I was keen to join & post my views. But didn’t register myself until 2014.

When I started my journey along with my co-members of this forum, with their posts or views I started to learn more technical about the car & driver skill etc. which there by pushed me to analyse few things with my little technical knowledge & was able to post here. But from the past couple of years I see, there is such negitivity against the driver who doesn’t perform to their expectations even though he’s still bounded to Ferrari team & we say were are Tifosi.
There’s a group here who target them & tag others as “you are a fan boy of him” etc ...even though he’s not such.
It’s gone to such extent that there’s personal abuse going on.

Neither I do have interest in all these things nor abuse anyone personally.
I pity for @mwk now how he left, though he’s still watching our forum. Even @Jgonzalezsm6 was very active on this forum earlier . Everyone became limited. I feel it’s the time to call myself off.

Been wonderful journey with all of them here, got a warm & heartful welcome by the mods & all of them.
I wish next year Ferrari gonna Win the title WCC & WDC by either of our drivers. Thank you all. Bye to all.

I partly agree with you.

But what I do completely agree is the "divide" within the forum. This has made me also post less and less. I do visit TSN multiple times everyday but the discussion just doesn't entice me to post a reply or an opinion.

[ALO]

Is Alonso free for the Abu Dhabi weekend? :-D

Yes I am :lol

[wappad]

There’s a lot of criticism in this forum off late.
Initially, When I started to watch this forum during race weekends something made me excited to be a part of it. I was keen to join & post my views. But didn’t register myself until 2014.

When I started my journey along with my co-members of this forum, with their posts or views I started to learn more technical about the car & driver skill etc. which there by pushed me to analyse few things with my little technical knowledge & was able to post here. But from the past couple of years I see, there is such negitivity against the driver who doesn’t perform to their expectations even though he’s still bounded to Ferrari team & we say were are Tifosi.
There’s a group here who target them & tag others as “you are a fan boy of him” etc ...even though he’s not such.
It’s gone to such extent that there’s personal abuse going on.

Neither I do have interest in all these things nor abuse anyone personally.
I pity for @mwk now how he left, though he’s still watching our forum. Even @Jgonzalezsm6 was very active on this forum earlier . Everyone became limited. I feel it’s the time to call myself off.

Been wonderful journey with all of them here, got a warm & heartful welcome by the mods & all of them.
I wish next year Ferrari gonna Win the title WCC & WDC by either of our drivers. Thank you all. Bye to all.

Don't go you..:-s

[nani_s23]

Hey nani_s23........Please don't go man!!......Just do what i do , and ignore the guys that don't add value to your comments. Sadly there are some on here, hence why i choose to look out for guys like you whom i can get a lot of technical info from, Like yesterday, where you replied to my questions!!!

Come on buddy, Hang in there.......Its pleasant to read your comments!

I hope you find the strength to reconsider and just follow certain guys that you like.

Hear from you soon again , i hope :thumb

Thank you for the support.
But what I don’t understand the logic is based on join date on top right corner few of them are deciding who’s fan boy a member is. Seriously this is something beyond assumption.

I was not able to restrict myself in not posting any comment here. It shows how much I’m addicted to this forum.
Anyways thanks for lovely post. :-)

[nani_s23]

Don't go you..:-s

I couldn’t resist, came back :-)
I’ve understood that I should limit myself. Thank you for the support.:-)

[nani_s23]

I partly agree with you.

But what I do completely agree is the "divide" within the forum. This has made me also post less and less. I do visit TSN multiple times everyday but the discussion just doesn't entice me to post a reply or an opinion.

Great to hear from you. Thanks for the support.
I will follow the same path. Hopefully :-)

[JPZ]

Alonso (equal with points not a champion), hekki kov (rookie), jenson (ham got out scored), Nico (ham lost championship), Bottas (never in championship contention).

Ham fought with Alonso/Kimi/vettel/Ros for the championship titles.
Except Alonso & Kimi .... rest are pretty much ordinary drivers.

Agreed.

Arguably one of the weakest champions ever, and almost always winning in the superior car.

[nani_s23]

There is no need for personal attacks and abuse. It's in forum rules. People who do abuse others will be penalised. Have acted on current. Will ban, suspend members who do it, and carry on doing it.

It's place Ferrari fans should come and discuss all things Ferrari.

Yes I truly believe it’s ferrari forum ... which includes team. Not the individuals, which I keep on saying from long time.
Checking the joining date of a member & concluding who’s fan boy he is.
I’ve been watching this forum since 2010 but didn’t join, the same thing I’ve posted in the above message. During that phase I didn’t find much time to register & post. Didn’t have that much technical knowledge too.
Just enjoyed the scenes where that Red car kept on winning.

It hurts at one point when one assumes himself & post a incorrect statement on you personally. I find no reason to explain them, but it’s drawing me to give explanation to such individuals.

[Super M]

Thank you for the support.
But what I don’t understand the logic is based on join date on top right corner few of them are deciding who’s fan boy a member is. Seriously this is something beyond assumption.

I was not able to restrict myself in not posting any comment here. It shows how much I’m addicted to this forum.
Anyways thanks for lovely post. :-)


I can tell you that if anybody tells me i'm a fan boy of either driver , i'll tell them where to go! I'm a Ferrari fan since '79. I've got memorabilia that a lot of people would die to have! Saying all this, I can choose whom i like and in an instant criticize who i feel deserves it ( driver wise )

Glad you've decided to stay!!! Hope to read more posts from you going forward.

Have a cool day :-D

[wappad]

I couldn’t resist, came back :-)
I’ve understood that I should limit myself. Thank you for the support.:-)

:thumb

Forza Scuderia, Forza Seb & Charles :clap

[Vettel165]

Seb statistic, he is the third most succesful driver in the new modern era (2015-2019) beside Lewis, Rosberg in this! Its not that bad, he is still fast.
But every man has his weakness.

https://i.postimg.cc/5NY82L37/75096925-865727107158573-2422074376250720256-n.jpg (https://postimg.cc/rKTDhd7x)

Forza Ferrari!!!!!