2019 Brasilian GP RACE

[bonzo]

Starting the thread I just thought there is a specific Sod's Law very much applicable to Ferrari team:
"When things just cannot get any worse - they will".
No reason for Brasil to be an exception...

[IulianFerrari]

Starting the thread I just thought there is a specific Sod's Law very much applicable to Ferrari team:
"When things just cannot get any worse - they will".
No reason for Brasil to be an exception...

Thanks for the sunshine and optimism.

[stefa]

Starting the thread I just thought there is a specific Sod's Law very much applicable to Ferrari team:
"When things just cannot get any worse - they will".
No reason for Brasil to be an exception...

Why would you start a thread like this?!?!

[Tifoso Svedese]

Will probably watch the start but unless Vettel takes the lead I doubt there'll be much point with this race, just trying to not let Hammy undercut us and stay in P2 if so, until something might happen to Max' car. This altitude BS has really screwed us. I've zero doubt this track would've yielded a 1-2 in qualifying at sea level even with S2 there = S3 in Hungary.

[nani_s23]

Waiting to watch Lec resurgence, hope vettel takes the lead.

[512 TR]

I think Seb can win this race if he gets ahead of Verstappen in the first stint. Ferrari have the upper hand in S3 and close in S1 and that should be enough.

Besides that, this season can't end fast enough. These last few races have been horrible from a strategy point of view and obviously mechanical/technical reliability as well.

[bonzo]

Why would you start a thread like this?!?!

Because all race threads start optimistic in the last 10-12 years but very rarely finish so. Let us try the other way round.

[KimiBot]

:ferrarifl

[Rishu]

I’m vary of Max, he’ll have last year’s race redemption in mind. Vettel needs to attack first corner, his best chance will be first 2 or 3 laps. Hamilton is mentally strongest in top 3. Good to see 3 different teams battling it out

[bonzo]

50deg track temp!!! Horrible:furious

[stefa]

Because all race threads start optimistic in the last 10-12 years but very rarely finish so. Let us try the other way round.
:rotfl

[stefa]

Any stream?

[paolo lalli]

We can dream.

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc must show restrain at the start, he has the car to clear the midfield within 5-7 laps. But he needs to survive the first lap.

Hopefull Vettel will get ahead of Max at the start.

[bonzo]

Any stream?

http://strims.world/live/f1base.php?source=4

[vcs316]

any live links?

[stefa]

Great :furious

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc up to P8, next is Raikkonen

[tifosi1993]

Early laps, but race pace is actually looking good. Vettel is keeping up with Hamilton ahead.

[Ferrarichamp]

so what strategy now, who pits first? :Hmm

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc 1:13.791, personal best. Top 3 1:13.5-6-7.

Also Charles is getting lots of support here which is good to see.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Vettel with a useless as start as usual lately. Sigh. Charles should be easy top five, might beat Bottas. Might get lucky with a SC and be able to fight for a podium on softs at the end.

[stefa]

SV slowest of top 3

[Tifoso Svedese]

We should keep Vettel out longer than the two in front since he won't undercut them anyway. All eggs in the SC basket. Unfortunately the strategists are too silly to be proactive.

[chinmay]

What a luxury Williams drivers have, fighting for position every single lap from start to end.

[Ferrarichamp]

Max not pulling away from Ham.

[tifosi1993]

I would pit Vettel now and put him on hards.

[chinmay]

SV slowest of top 3

His pace is better than expected. It was expected before race that Vettel would finish a minimum of 20 seconds off P1 but looks like it will be less than that.

[Rishu]

Hamilton doing a great 1st stint, they were showing he has much better tyre life than Verstappen

Edit: Hamilton boxed

[tifosi1993]

And Hamilton pits. Come on Ferrari, for once do something different...

[Ferrarichamp]

yep, looks like Ham has the pace to win.

[458 Italia]

williams giving a helping hand to mercs :roll

[Rishu]

Wow Max

[458 Italia]

ha take that ham

[458 Italia]

croft is soooooooooooooooooooo annoying

[Rishu]

Epic racing, sad Ferrari is not part of it

[458 Italia]

more fake radio drama from ham and mercs

[tifosi1993]

Softs are the tyres for this race. Leclerc's struggling on mediums

[Tifoso Svedese]

So dumb. Why call Vettel in now. Too early...

[458 Italia]

Softs are the tyres for this race. Leclerc's struggling on mediums

yeah but with this series of manufactured racing with having to run the different compounds he'll be on the faster tyre come the end

[TonyRizza]

good defence from hamilton, really showing how well deserved those 6 championships are

[458 Italia]

williams momentarily holding up Ferrari now

[Rishu]

Bottas and Leclerc on 1 stopper, not sure about Vettel

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari and their ******* plans. They can see mediums are not working, but they will stubbornly stick to their pre race plans.

Now Hulk (mediums) pits. :roll

[Tifoso Svedese]

Ferrari and their ******* plans. They can see mediums are not working, but they will stubbornly stick to their pre race plans.

Now Hulk (mediums) pits. :roll

They should've waited for Verstappen to catch Vettel and then pit.

[458 Italia]

hards!! what!?!?

[chinmay]

Vettel will pit for fastest lap and finish 5th or 6th.

[Rishu]

hards!! what!?!?

Mediums

[Rishu]

Vettel will pit for fastest lap and finish 5th or 6th.

Are you sure? I think he is still in fight

[Tifoso Svedese]

These strategists are so laughable I don't even know what to say.

HARDS?

2x softs would be way faster.

[458 Italia]

Mediums

No Charles is

[chinmay]

Leclerc could only do 30 laps + a couple laps from qualifying on those medium tyres and yet Ferrari expects Vettel to do more than 40 laps on those tyres. What a fantastic decision.

[chinmay]

Are you sure? I think he is still in fight

I don't think so, he will lose a lot of pace at the end going by Leclerc's pace.

[chinmay]

Bottas isn't doing too bad on the hards.

[chinmay]

Leclerc and Bottas will be very happy with the tyres they have.

[bonzo]

Best strategy - Bottas
Losing strategy - Seb
No strategy - Lec

[stefa]

CL lost a lot to Albon

[458 Italia]

Fireworks to come, more like sparklers to come

[TonyRizza]

yawn this race... every car has like a minimum of 3s gap to the next car....

[Ferrarichamp]

so Bottas will get the podium

[tifosi1993]

Vettel will be quite handy towards the end, Top 2 will be on medium/hard and he will be on softs.

[bonzo]

Seb has to be a migician to finish on podium on the meds

[stefa]

3rd and 6th nothing better except some DNF in front

[458 Italia]

yawn this race... every car has like a minimum of 3s gap to the next car....

Yawn F1 from (?)2009(?) onwards

[Tifoso Svedese]

Nah this is boring. I'm out.

Protest Honda please.

[stefa]

Yawn F1 from (?)2009(?) onwards
:clap

[bonzo]

Yawn F1 from (?)2009(?) onwards

That's because it is not a car race but tires race

[doublesixes]

Boring....

[TonyRizza]

at least hamilton wont win i guess

[Tifoso Svedese]

at least hamilton wont win i guess

Wake me up when Septe... the front two collide.

[bonzo]

Bottas what?? Hards not working?? So what abt Lec??

[gump1480]

Best strategy - Bottas
Losing strategy - Seb
No strategy - Lec

Doesn't look like Bottas was on the best strategy ��

[458 Italia]

That's because it is not a car race but tires race

Indeed.

[stefa]

VB very FL

[458 Italia]

5-4-3-2-1 and wait for hamilton to complain on the radio that he's behind

[bondilad]

we need a safety car

[stefa]

we need a safety car

No we need a much better Ferrari car!

[bondilad]

No we need a much better Ferrari car!

Doesn't seem to have that today.

[Ferrarichamp]

but Max has to pit again?

[458 Italia]

I pine for the days of being able to use the tyres every lap like it was a qualifying lap and then do the same on the next set of tyres after you had to come in to refuel.

[chinmay]

lol this Bottas is wasting that Mercedes seat.

[Ferrarichamp]

go on Seb, make those tyres last :-D

[tifosi1993]

Now we need a safety car.

[stefa]

and it is +2 sec for SV on the leaders...

[TonyRizza]

haha bottas is very good

[458 Italia]

Yay!! we've killed a merc!! :-E:clap

[tifosi1993]

Bye Bottas

[Rob]

I pine for the days of being able to use the tyres every lap like it was a qualifying lap and then do the same on the next set of tyres after you had to come in to refuel.

And in past people said endurance racing was boring because had to save fuel and tyres. Now, ita the other way round.

No full on excitement in f1. Funny as crofty and sky try to make all the action and all the races exciting and best racing ever.

[bonzo]

Am I dreaming? Merc DNF???

[bondilad]

Yay!! we've killed a merc!! :-E:clap

nice post :clap

[stefa]

Am I dreaming? Merc DNF???

You are not, but wrong Mercedes

[458 Italia]

Lovely to see!! but another example of how stupid F1 is these days can't follow to closely for too long or your car dies.

[KimiBot]

Yay!! we've killed a merc!! :-E:clap

:-)

[bondilad]

You are not, but wrong Mercedes

always

[tifosi1993]

Safety car...now Pit Leclerc for softs. Come on Ferrari

[Rob]

Pit pit pit

[Tifoso Svedese]

Does Seb have any new tyres?

[Ferrarichamp]

but of course a Bottas DNF, not Ham.

[stefa]

Did we pit our cars?

[Rob]

Did we pit our cars?

Charles yes

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc on new softs. Vettel also on softs, but a bit older. Max pitted for Softs too.

Hopefully Ham and Max will take each other out.

[chinmay]

Verstappen pits and is still ahead of Vettel?

[TonyRizza]

Verstappen pits and is still ahead of Vettel?

yes its safety car so a lot less time lost in the pits

[Tifoso Svedese]

Should be easy podium for Charles then? Seb shouldn't be able to defend on older ones.

[chinmay]

Should be easy podium for Charles then? Seb shouldn't be able to defend on older ones.

Seb will let Charles by to have a go at Max and Lewis.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Max will be livid this wasn't a VSC. Did Bottas put it in the wrong gear on purpose? :rotfl

[Tifoso Svedese]

Seb will let Charles by to have a go at Max and Lewis.

He needs to get Albon right on the restart to get within range.

Hopefully Max and Lewis end up in a gravel trap.

[458 Italia]

And in past people said endurance racing was boring because had to save fuel and tyres. Now, ita the other way round.

No full on excitement in f1. Funny as crofty and sky try to make all the action and all the races exciting and best racing ever.

Exactly! How times change! As you know though with endurance racing it's all about the long game being able to make your fuel last an extra lap per stint or looking after your tyres to be able to triple stint them all makes a difference in the end!

As much as I still love seeing a Ferrari win, F1 is not exciting on the whole it's boring now and no matter of what they've done to try and make it "exciting" by manufacturing overtakes see DRS, tyre rules etc. it remains boring.

[Rob]

Charles :pray

[bonzo]

Now luck is on our side SC

[458 Italia]

hamilton's SC restart antics are terrible

[stefa]

This is bad

[Tifoso Svedese]

Hammy should get +5 seconds for false start. Can't slow down after you go.

[TonyRizza]

vettel is good driver

[tifosi1993]

Dirty Hamilton

[Tifoso Svedese]

So now we'll lose to one of F1's worst drivers. Nice.

[458 Italia]

Well that was an anti-climax

[Rob]

What an anti-climax this now.

Should told Seb let charles go as he could of attacked albon and maybe ham.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Why don't they let Charles attack the cars slower in a straight line? Come on. Seb is going nowhere here.

[458 Italia]

Well done boys :roll

[Rishu]

Stupid

[Greig]

wow sack Seb please

[458 Italia]

ridiculous :furious

[stefa]

:furious

[bonzo]

WHEN THINGS JUST CANNOT GET ANY WORSE - THEY WILL!!!!!

[458 Italia]

Vettel needs to be fined massively for this

[stefa]

Great!!! Thank you guys for S"£$!!! race!!!

[Rob]

Well done Seb.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Just let him go, he's faster than you FFS you IDIOT.

[Rishu]

Vettel did identical to this in Turkey 2010

[Christopher]

Idiots

[Greig]

Seb just can't accept he is not fast.

[bonzo]

Read my opening post!!!

[458 Italia]

I'm sorry Seb isn't a team player

[ChrisFerrari]

Thank you Seb, good bye Seb.

[drax]

Vettel ... what a tool

[stefa]

WHEN THINGS JUST CANNOT GET ANY WORSE - THEY WILL!!!!!

You ware right!

[chinmay]

Vettel needs to be fined massively for this

Red Bull be like we will pay whatever you are fined.

[vcs316]

What the heck!!! Idiot!

[wappad]

Why Seb, why.....???

[doublesixes]

What a joke

[DJTaurus]

It’s time for drastic decisions.

[bondilad]

can't believe I stayed up to watch this.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Charles would've probably finished P2 and Seb just taken the right foot of the pedal for 0.001 seconds. He's single-handedly cost both P3 in WDC too.

[Aziz]

wow sack Seb please

He's worst than Kimi was

[458 Italia]

Nah not just a massive fine for Vettel he needs to go, sack 'im!

[TonyRizza]

please sack vettel cause hes trash

[Ferrarichamp]

Albon podium

[tifosi1993]

Kick that useless German out of this team. ******** :furious

[chinmay]

On a serious note, just a gentle touch did that much damage, same story as last year. A gentle touch to a Ferrari results in disaster.

[KimiBot]

WHEN THINGS JUST CANNOT GET ANY WORSE - THEY WILL!!!!!

You were right

[Christopher]

Very unlucky to get so much damage from such a light touch

[doublesixes]

Just fire Vet at once. Not acceptable to have such a lousy driver in the team.

[Noquarter]

100 too many races in Ferrari for Vettlel

[gvera]

Sack Vettel, bring Hulk as number 2 pilot

[Tifoso Svedese]

Albon podium

He's worse than Stroll. Just proves what a joke this "sport" is when an average F2 driver gets on the podium.

[Ferrarichamp]

Read my opening post!!!

you jinxed it :-E :-(

[Kyss4k]

We are clowns of F1. This is not the Ferrari I love...

[Greig]

On a serious note, just a gentle touch did that much damage, same story as last year. A gentle touch to a Ferrari results in disaster.


No need to be any touch, but you can pretend your man is still something....

[Supermega]

Vettel doing a Turkey 2010 repeat

[nani_s23]

Can’t get much worse than this..!!

[ALO]

SEB he's your teammate man don't race him like that in the middle of a straight, arg! Corner maybe:furious

[Arcana]

Well done Seb. Lost the place to Lewis at the start, then Albon wiped the floor with him at the restart and then crashed into Leclerc that was beating him starting from 14th... Again and again he proves how useless he became since Germany 2018.

[458 Italia]

Surely that's a race ban for Vettel regardless of what action the team takes what with the amount of points he's got on his licence?

[TonyRizza]

a gentle touch at like 180mph is a lot of force, vettel is just a clown.
if he isnt spinning hes crashing :)

[chinmay]

No need to be any touch, but you can pretend your man is still something....

Who said it wasn't Vettel's fault?

[bonzo]

Can’t get much worse than this..!!

It will, be sure!

[nani_s23]

Mattia need to answer few questions for sure.
Would have allowed Lec to pass vettel earlier itself n attack Albon. N later would have swapped the positions.

[Ferrarichamp]

Vettel doing a Turkey 2010 repeat

yeah he's definitely the turkey in Brazil.

[vcs316]

We are clowns of F1. This is not the Ferrari I love...

This is what happens when you don't have a clear 1-2 policy. Every team has it.

[ferrari1.8t]

Seb just can't accept he is not fast.

This. First sensible thing you’ve said in a long time ;-)

Seb can’t handle Charles speed. He’s never had to fight a real teammate, and this is what happens when he does. What a shame for Ferrari and Charles

[19000rpmF-2004]

This is ridiculous. I can’t undestand the login on Seb head.

[bondilad]

really feel sad for Charles..... P2 was there for the taking. Seb could have taken out max at the start or ham. but no had to be his faster teammate

[nani_s23]

For vettel there was no need to push Lec aside. Although he has the right to attack but not to an extent where you both take each other out.

[Rishu]

McLaren podium coming, can you believe

[458 Italia]

If I was Charles I would be saying "either he goes or I go"

[tifosi1993]

Vettel simply cannot digest the fact that his teammate is faster than him. He had one of his red herring moment when he got overtaken by Charles.

Just show him the door already...why keep this useless muck for another year.

[ferrari1.8t]

Let’s see if golden boy gets a penalty...

[KimiBot]

what a race

[Tifoso Svedese]

Vettel has improved his pace lately, but stuff like this is unforgiveable. Running into Hamilton or Verstappen is one thing, it can happen. Not this. Absolutely not. Charles was nailed-on for P2 had he not done his useless zigzag in front of him. The one car hard to pass was him and he just thought about himself. Absolutely terrible. He needs to be demoted to official #2 IMMEDIATELY.

[stefa]

LH should be punished for that move

[nani_s23]

This. First sensible thing you’ve said in a long time ;-)

Seb can’t handle Charles speed. He’s never had to fight a real teammate, and this is what happens when he does. What a shame for Ferrari and Charles

Don’t get into such baseless statements. Vettel did up his game when Lec easily pick him up in quali.
It’s one off bad incident move on. Ferrari as a team can’t handle the things (drivers, strategies, relatability) there are lot of they need to sort out first to win a championship.

[458 Italia]

Vettel's position in this team is now completely untenable, I see no way back for him from this latest sorry episode.

[ferrari1.8t]

Don’t get into such baseless statements. Vettel did up his game when Lec easily pick him up in quali.
It’s one off bad incident move on. Ferrari as a team can’t handle the things (drivers, strategies, relatability) there are lot of they need to sort out first to win a championship.

I’m not going to get into a driver debate, but Vettel has passed his prime and needs to realize that. Plain and simple.

[TonyRizza]

hulkenberg is free, just pay vettel 40million to sit out (kimi2010) and we might get some points :)

[Ferrarichamp]

luckily the titles were not at stake.
only positive note: Alfa got good points.

[Kyss4k]

Don’t get into such baseless statements. Vettel did up his game when Lec easily pick him up in quali.
It’s one off bad incident move on. Ferrari as a team can’t handle the things (drivers, strategies, relatability) there are lot of they need to sort out first to win a championship.

Vettels was useless today. Bad start, bad restart, taking out both our cars again...

[ferrari1.8t]

Figures, they will give Hamilton a podium...poor Sainz.

[Tifoso Svedese]

What Vettel needs to be told is that to have any chance of a new contract he needs to no longer consider himself or act like #1. It's enough. First Sochi and now this. I don't take firing or not renewing drivers' contracts lightly, but sadly, it seems like he's going to give Ferrari little to no choice unless he wakes up ASAP.

[doublesixes]

Ferrari, have some feijoada and go home. Rethink your driver lineup once in Maranello.

[Aziz]

What baffled me is this ferrari team is the same joke as it was with Dominicali

[Schumiklub]

What the hell was that? We could have been 2nd and 3rd!

[jgonzalesm6]

What a race.

[nani_s23]

I’m not going to get into a driver debate, but Vettel has passed his prime and needs to realize that. Plain and simple.

Vettel passed him prime ok. Wt if Lec team up along side ham. ??
He would have smashed him with the same pace. Then ham lost his prime ???
Every driver has a skill and that too at young age they are aggressive.

[darkchild]

What the hell was this? Leclerc was going for 2nd with that pass. Why did he have to touch wheels with CL???? We will lose 3rd in championship now Jesus...

[TonyRizza]

Vettel passed him prime ok. Wt if Lec team up along side ham. ??
He would have smashed him with the same pace. Then ham lost his prime ???
Every driver has a skill and that too at young age they are aggressive.

vettel is just useless, if he didnt have the status of a 4time champ he''d be racing in a williams

[Kyss4k]

What baffled me is this ferrari team is the same joke as it was with Dominicali


I didn't really wanted to believe it, but seams like this team only works, when Italians are not in charge...

[chinmay]

What the hell was this? Leclerc was going for 2nd with that pass. Why did he have to touch wheels with CL???? We will lose 3rd in championship now Jesus...

3rd place was already lost with Verstappen winning. Ferrari won't be beating Red Bull in Abu Dhabi either.

[nani_s23]

Vettels was useless today. Bad start, bad restart, taking out both our cars again...

So he wantedly has a bad start & bad restart n smashed into his team mate?? Yes he did a mistake on his team mate. But the other two wasn’t his fault.

Albon on fresher softs & vettel on used Softs

[Schumiklub]

I didn't really wanted to believe it, but seams like this team only works, when Italians are not in charge...

Well it's not the management's fault if Vettel drives into Leclerc's tyre.

[Kyss4k]

vettel is just useless, if he didnt have the status of a 4time champ he''d be racing in a williams

Since Germany last year he would deserve that drive honestly...

[darkchild]

3rd place was already lost with Verstappen winning. Ferrari won't be beating Red Bull in Abu Dhabi either.
Leclerc would likely finished 2nd. Hamilton was hopeless and Albon was there in sight. I think with 8pts between Max and Leclerc it would be good fight for 3rd. This was grave mistake by Vettel...

[nani_s23]

vettel is just useless, if he didnt have the status of a 4time champ he''d be racing in a williams

Same goes for champions .. if they aren’t champions they would be racing along with Maldonado

[tifosi1993]

Time for John Elkann to step in, Binotto has already proven that he's not capable of handling the situation.

I'm always an ardent supporter of Number 1-2 policy, and the time has come for Leclerc to be the defector number 1 driver. Enough is enough.

[TonyRizza]

So he wantedly has a bad start & bad restart n smashed into his team mate?? Yes he did a mistake on his team mate. But the other two wasn’t his fault.

Albon on fresher softs & vettel on used Softs

how can the other 2 not be his fault? its his job to predict the restart and its his job to get the traction right at the start of the race lmao. keep defending vettel tho :)

[Schumiklub]

So he wantedly has a bad start & bad restart n smashed into his team mate?? Yes he did a mistake on his team mate. But the other two wasn’t his fault.

Albon on fresher softs & vettel on used Softs

Vettel was caught out during the restart. He was the only one with a larger gap to the car in front, so yes it was his fault.

[Kyss4k]

So he wantedly has a bad start & bad restart n smashed into his team mate?? Yes he did a mistake on his team mate. But the other two wasn’t his fault.

Albon on fresher softs & vettel on used Softs

Did I say anything about doing it on purpouse? He is driving poorly for year and a half. That's the truth. Making mistakes almost every race, being slower, than his rookie teammate...

[paolo lalli]

Vetals action is u

Simply to much to fathom. Charles drove like the champion he is seb has a lot to answer for.why did he do this ? CHARLES is our number on clearly.seb has embarrassed Ferrari and himself.Ferrari can not except this 100%.

[nani_s23]

how can the other 2 not be his fault? its his job to predict the restart and its his job to get the traction right at the start of the race lmao. keep defending vettel tho :)

Thanks for the compliments, watch the restart in particular if u have a highlight package.
Vettel in used soft & Albon fresh set of soft. Vettel was almost at the rear wing of max.

[nani_s23]

Vettel was caught out during the restart. He was the only one with a larger gap to the car in front, so yes it was his fault.

It’s not caught out. Albon was almost side by side with vettel during the restart not back of him. You get advantage with fresh set of softs.

[Tifoso Svedese]

3rd place was already lost with Verstappen winning. Ferrari won't be beating Red Bull in Abu Dhabi either.

I think Charles will be on pole there. Sea level and lots of acceleration zones.

[Greig]

Possible race ban for Seb coming up....embarrassing.

[Ferrarichamp]

I think Charles will be on pole there. Sea level and lots of acceleration zones.

Hope you're right, it would be nice to end with a win.

[Schumiklub]

It’s not caught out. Albon was almost side by side with vettel during the restart not back of him. You get advantage with fresh set of softs.

Vettel had a big gap to Hamilton and Verstappen on the restart, there isn't much you lose just by accelerating while the car is already moving in a straight line.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Possible race ban for Seb coming up....embarrassing.

Wasn't that to not be the case post Japan?

Him sitting out Abu Dhabi and Charles actually might be able to win. I wish Vettel would race Hamilton at least 10 % as hard as he races his team mate. Whenever he sees Hammy, he chickens out and runs for mama.

[nani_s23]

It’s vettel mistake agree, cut his pay n tell him to drive better next year. Have some team management with our drivers.
That’s my point. If ferrari is competitive next years, there will a situation where both our driver fight each other on track.
Such things like today if they happen again we can see Ham 7th title.

[tifosi1993]

Possible race ban for Seb coming up....embarrassing.

He should be banned from driving the Ferrari. This is beyond embarrassing.

[nani_s23]

I think Charles will be on pole there. Sea level and lots of acceleration zones.

Final sector is a trouble.

[Schumiklub]

On a different note. I can't believe SkyF1 are defending Hamilton's move. He was not even half way past Albon when they crashed, so it was 100% his fault and he deserves a penalty. They would be crying penalty if it were any other driver.

[Kyss4k]

It’s not caught out. Albon was almost side by side with vettel during the restart not back of him. You get advantage with fresh set of softs.

Vettel let him space, didn't defend hard when he should, his tyres were just 4 laps older and it was on the straight where tyres has nothing to do with the pace. You are defending undefendable. Seb is just not the Seb anymore. He is not worth of number 1 position. Hell I would even dare to question, if he is worth of Ferrari drive... but well, Ferrari is not doing so great either so...

[KimiBot]

On a different note. I can't believe SkyF1 are defending Hamilton's move. He was not even half way past Albon when they crashed, so it was 100% his fault and he deserves a penalty. They would be crying penalty if it were any other driver.

:thumb

[Rishu]

RedBull years were curse for Vettel. He spent his race craft learning years starting from first row and winning.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Final sector is a trouble.

Simple Singapore-style flicks unlike trying to turn the submarine like here. Abu Dhabi has zero long turns. Interlagos has four.

[Rob]

On a different note. I can't believe SkyF1 are defending Hamilton's move. He was not even half way past Albon when they crashed, so it was 100% his fault and he deserves a penalty. They would be crying penalty if it were any other driver.

Turned it off as soon as we went out. What happened?

[nani_s23]

Vettel let him space, didn't defend hard when he should, his tyres were just 4 laps older and it was on the straight where tyres has nothing to do with the pace. You are defending undefendable. Seb is just not the Seb anymore. He is not worth of number 1 position. Hell I would even dare to question, if he is worth of Ferrari drive... but well, Ferrari is not doing so great either so...

4laps used set of softs not brand new. Albon 1L fresh set of softs.
Ham got overtaken at the same place too??? Although on different set of tyres.
RB at S1 are mighty.

[TonyRizza]

Turned it off as soon as we went out. What happened?

ham dived down the inside of albon and spun him out for 2nd

[aroutis]

Possible race ban for Seb coming up....embarrassing.

I hope they cut his contract short after this.

[Schumiklub]

Turned it off as soon as we went out. What happened?

Hamilton tried to pass Albon into the corner, but Albon turned in and they crashed, Hamilton's front tyre to Albon's rear, so 100% Hamilton's fault. He wasn't entitled to the corner in any shape or form as SkyF1 are claiming.

[nani_s23]

Simple Singapore-style flicks unlike trying to turn the submarine like here. Abu Dhabi has zero long turns. Interlagos has four.

Hopefully this season is off soon. Need to have a good winter testing as it is very short testing this time around.
Also I want to see Mattia to be more strict on his drivers too.

[Ferrarichamp]

meanwhile, our old friend Kimi grabs P5 in the Alfa.

[TonyRizza]

meanwhile, our old friend Kimi grabs P5 in the Alfa.

swap him and vettel

[nani_s23]

I hope they cut his contract short after this.

No drivers have contract after 2020. Entire F1 grid too.

[Rishu]

I’ll be very surprised if Hamilton doesn’t get penalised. Ricciardo got 5s in same race

[nani_s23]

swap him and vettel

When he doesn’t perform? Again swapping ?
2020 is the last season for vettel in ferrari. Lec is number 1 for Ferrari after that. This is the thing ferrari is banking on

[tifosi1993]

Man....Vettel landed the dream opportunity at Ferrari, after RBR streak run of dominate cars ended and Webber got out, he got his rear totally beaten up by Ricciardo and it could have only gotten sourer from there, there were a lot of places he could have gone that would expose him a lot quicker and worst, he landed the best spot an F1 driver could in Formula 1, specially in his situation. The beating he took from Ricciardo was a big warning, but it wasn´t strong enough, only one year for many people to make the case that it was just a season, maybe was a fluke, lack of motivation ,etc. So that year basically got excused away...as if it did not happen.
Ferrari at the time received him as perhaps a new Schumacher and he was paired with Kimi, basically the best team mate any top driver can dream to have, the perfect team mate to make a driver feel good about themselves and raise their confidence. Then he got cars that were much better than Alonso got the seasons he was there.
Then Vettel got an extension to remain rated as a cream of the crop driver for another 5 years almost and keep the illusion going, thanks to Ferrari, had he stayed at RBR with Ricciardo/Verstappen, gone against Lewis in Mercedes, chances are, his status would have crashed much quicker than it did. Vettel should be incredibly thankful for Ferrari... For what they did to him these last 5 years.

But 2017 Singapore and now this!? there is no place for him at Ferrari. Pay him out and sign up Hulkenberg. Start 2020 with clear number 1-2 policy with Leclerc being the number 1.

[paolo lalli]

That vetal **** up probably cost Charles 3rd place in the WDC .Vetal is a bad sport.

[Kyss4k]

4laps used set of softs not brand new. Albon 1L fresh set of softs.
Ham got overtaken at the same place too??? Although on different set of tyres.
RB at S1 are mighty.


Wrong. At the restart Vettel was on 9 laps old softs, Albon on 5 lap old softs. The livetiming shows an exact use of tyres, so just 4 laps. And it ALL happened on the straight, where tyres have minimal say in outcome. Come on, you can't be so blinded.

[drax]

When he doesn’t perform? Again swapping ?
2020 is the last season for vettel in ferrari. Lec is number 1 for Ferrari after that. This is the thing ferrari is banking on

He should not be number 1, LEC should be number 1 in 2019... won more races, has more poles, has more points, did less mistakes.

[KimiBot]

I’ll be very surprised if Hamilton doesn’t get penalised. Ricciardo got 5s in same race

yes that what I was thinking too, and Hams crash was worse IMO, he did not had a chance to pass and still drove in, I think it was calculated crime :-)

[Tifoso Svedese]

Man....Vettel landed the dream opportunity at Ferrari, after RBR streak run of dominate cars ended and Webber got out, he got his rear totally beaten up by Ricciardo and it could have only gotten sourer from there, there were a lot of places he could have gone that would expose him a lot quicker and worst, he landed the best spot an F1 driver could in Formula 1, specially in his situation. The beating he took from Ricciardo was a big warning, but it wasn´t strong enough, only one year for many people to make the case that it was just a season, maybe was a fluke, lack of motivation ,etc. So that year basically got excused away...as if it did not happen.
Ferrari at the time received him as perhaps a new Schumacher and he was paired with Kimi, basically the best team mate any top driver can dream to have, the perfect team mate to make a driver feel good about themselves and raise their confidence. Then he got cars that were much better than Alonso got the seasons he was there.
Then Vettel got an extension to remain rated as a cream of the crop driver for another 5 years almost and keep the illusion going, thanks to Ferrari, had he stayed at RBR with Ricciardo/Verstappen, gone against Lewis in Mercedes, chances are, his status would have crashed much quicker than it did. Vettel should be incredibly thankful for Ferrari... For what they did to him these last 5 years.

But 2017 Singapore and now this!? there is no place for him at Ferrari. Pay him out and sign up Hulkenberg. Start 2020 with clear number 1-2 policy with Leclerc being the number 1.

Look, he's the fourth best driver on the grid tied with Ricciardo and way better than Bottas.

The whole problem is that he can't accept his team mate is faster. He could be a fabulous #2 if he only realized that was his job. He's better than Bottas for sure. The whole problem I think is that former champions can't deal with being #2.

[alfaromeo]

New problem vettel- leclerk for Ferrari. I and a lot of experts in f1 speaks in about that at beginning f1 season 2019 and for 2020 that problem will be bigger.

[Kyss4k]

And Vettel denies driving to the left... Sorry, but he is slowly sinking on Hamilton level...

[KimiBot]

Hulk is free, he is a solid driver, does not make mistakes and even with Ric this year, so he is a good option for Ferrari, Seb could do some testing for us, simulator stuff and so on

[ferrari1.8t]

On a different note. I can't believe SkyF1 are defending Hamilton's move. He was not even half way past Albon when they crashed, so it was 100% his fault and he deserves a penalty. They would be crying penalty if it were any other driver.

I wouldn’t have expected anything different. Where have you been for the last 6+ years? They will defend his every move...nobody has bowel movements as amazing as Hamilton is Sky’s eyes.

[tifosi1993]

And Vettel denies driving to the left... Sorry, but he is slowly sinking on Hamilton level...

He is a two faced individual, always was and always wiil be.

[DelMar]

Look, he's the fourth best driver on the grid tied with Ricciardo and way better than Bottas.

The whole problem is that he can't accept his team mate is faster. He could be a fabulous #2 if he only realized that was his job. He's better than Bottas for sure. The whole problem I think is that former champions can't deal with being #2.
The problem is at this race, he wasn't slower than Lerlerc but faster. Due to safety car, Leclerc has the gap to him erased and ended up with fresh soft behind him.

Also, the team should have pit Vettel at the safety car as well. He had so much time to the next car that he wouldn't have lost anything even with a long 10+ sec pit. It was a no brainer...

[nani_s23]

Look, he's the fourth best driver on the grid tied with Ricciardo and way better than Bottas.

The whole problem is that he can't accept his team mate is faster. He could be a fabulous #2 if he only realized that was his job. He's better than Bottas for sure. The whole problem I think is that former champions can't deal with being #2.

Can’t say better than this. They are saying ric kicked rear of vettel. Wt happened to ric by max then?? When everyone was thinking ric to ferrari.
Wt happened to max/Sainz or Kvyat at TR??

Max crashing too so we need to sack max ?

Max/ham/vettel/Lec are top drivers. Given current season performance even not with a better car I would Lec is the top driver in the making. But that the same time Ham driving at his best with more matured way. As he sits back n wait for the opportunity n push his car like a hell. So better race craft.

Ham error prone driver, Lec still in making.
Vettel/max accident zone drivers.

[paolo lalli]

Then it's time for vetal to retire.

[nani_s23]

The problem is at this race, he wasn't slower than Lerlerc but faster. Due to safety car, Leclerc has the gap to him erased and ended up with fresh soft behind him.

Also, the team should have pit Vettel at the safety car as well. He had so much time to the next car that he wouldn't have lost anything even with a long 10+ sec pit. It was a no brainer...

Vettel have no tyres left .... except Hard tyres

[Vettel165]

Both were guilty. Why did Lerlerc squeze team mate in the first place. And why did Seb go left when he was ahead. Charles wasnt innocent. Would nearly crashed on Lap 1 by similar move with norris
Who cares season is over.