AustrianGP 2020 Practices and Qualifying thread

[vetalo]

I think Binotto will mention that Calibration is not as expected and we expected that we will not be strong here due to the Coronavirus lockdown along with correlation issues in the tunnel the simulations were showing that there was something not right.

Most team brought almost new car during lock down what was Ferrari doing? Italian ways of doing things will not work again. The last time Ferrari was successful was when it was ran by two none Italian Citizen

[AJ_Hussain92]

They were honouring the agreement alongside the FIA "for the good of the sport". This is simply karma for the way they have treated their driver's as nothing but surplus to requirements over the years. Lauda was probably the most brutally honest when he said in 73 that car is a *****box to Enzo.

[doublesixes]

Ferrari managed to develop one hell of a F2 car. Congratulations Mattia, SF!

[Liscia]

Ferrari are right in putting their faith in Leclerc-about the only thing that's right with today's performance!? They have to build him a better car!

[TTRSMAD]

Bring back last year car... This is a real mess and an embarrassment. A clown team.. how can you mess up like this. Heads need to roll.

[Kyss4k]

If the issue behind the top speed is the engine (which from 90% it is, as all Ferrari powered cars are far back), we may just pack our stuff and call it a year... Actually call it a 2 years. Because the engines are frozen. That's what you get by not playing by the rules. You get caught and then left behind, because all the others were improving within the rules and that will not be taken from them.

[JPZ]

Is it possible to use a modified 2019 car?

[PURE PASSION]

RBR brought also a new nose while we lost a sponsor !!!!!!!! everything is going from bad to worse !!! when is this downfall gonna end ???? Are we going to be like McLaren and end up in the back of the grid ????
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[Kyss4k]

Is it possible to use a modified 2019 car?

Probably yes, as Racing Point is using one... but not much would probably change. The engine has to be this years as there were more limits applied, so the 2019 engine would be illegal.

[Kyss4k]

RBR brought also a new nose while we lost a sponsor !!!!!!!! everything is going from bad to worse !!! when is this downfall gonna end ???? Are we going to be like McLaren and end up in the back of the grid ????

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-dalla-sf1000-e-sparito-lo-sponsor-weichai/4824612/?utm_source=home-page-widget&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=widget-1

I would actually place a bet, about if our nose will finally change from this humongous snout our car has for years, while the others are developing hard in this area.

[AJ_Hussain92]

What has binotto said? Has he said anything?

[tifosi1993]

So lets compare:

SF90 vs SF1000: (Leclerc Q3)

Sector 1: 15.952 vs 16.423

Sector 2: 27.961 vs 28.215

Sector 3: 19.050 vs 19.260

What an utterly impressive job they've done with this years car. Not only it is slower on the straights, but slower in corners as well. Really..really...impressive :furious

[Kyss4k]

What has binotto said? Has he said anything?

Probably ran away in shame.

[Vittorio]

They need to get out of that little village called Maranello. By being there, they can't attract the best talents in F1.

Jeez, here we go again. You just won't let the anti-Italian vitriol go, will you? It really is an obsession with you, I see.

A lot of that around here on this forum. I find it hilarious that a forum for (supposedly) Ferrari tifosi is so vociferously anti-Italian!

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[PURE PASSION]

So lets compare:

SF90 vs SF1000: (Leclerc Q3)

Sector 1: 15.952 vs 16.423

Sector 2: 27.961 vs 28.215

Sector 3: 19.050 vs 19.260

What an utterly impressive job they've done with this years car. Not only it is slower on the straights, but slower in corners as well. Really..really...impressive :furious

And this is NOT due to the lockdown!!! THIS impressive feature is after a hole year of developent till this febuary !!!!!!!!

[SilverSpeed]

We are 1 second slower then 2019.

So the engine trick costs us big time.

[JPZ]

I'm surprised this year's car is not looking more similar to the Mercedes of last year.

In 1997, after a bad 1996 design, the F310-B was a lot more similar to the Williams design with the higher nose of the previous year. It probably took some inspiration from those design concepts.

Nothing wrong in learning from what works in another team and then adapting and developing those concepts into your own car and team.

[farid-baku]

We need James Key and Lindo Norris not Sainz

[AJ_Hussain92]

Probably ran away in shame.

No official comments from binotto? Hmm.

[PURE PASSION]

And McLaren in the edge of bankruptcies, managed to be 4th (3d best team) just a little bit behind Ves !!!!!!!!

[farid-baku]

Andy Cowell and James Key may be can help us

[Aziz]

Is it true that one of our employees leaked the engine trick to Merc?

[nani_s23]

No official comments from binotto? Hmm.

Leclerc made a gesture to the team “nothing else we can do”
Vettel was silent on his team radio after Q
Binotto didn’t face media after Q.

Which says it all, nothing is in sync. ....!! I doubt 2021 anything better either.

[AJ_Hussain92]

I heard that also there was suspicions that this was the case if I remember correctly on one if the articles last year.

[nani_s23]

Is it true that one of our employees leaked the engine trick to Merc?

It’s been the same case since 2017, every employee leaves ferrari & then join merc.
From there, everyone leaks the secret tricks of Ferrari.

This is the reason I say, ferrari doesn’t have the same strong hold in F1 sport currently. Management is pretty much weak.
LDM/SM were robust In handling the calls, currently none of them hold similar expertise.

[TTRSMAD]

I hate to say it but Ferrari needs to get on its knees and beg ALDO COSTA to come back with them in whatever position he wants as long as he comes back.

[Ferrarichamp]

will be interesting to see our race tyre strategy.

[JPZ]

It’s been the same case since 2017, every employee leaves ferrari & then join merc.
From there, everyone leaks the secret tricks of Ferrari.

This is the reason I say, ferrari doesn’t have the same strong hold in F1 sport currently. Management is pretty much weak.
LDM/SM were robust In handling the calls, currently none of them hold similar expertise.

Ferrari need to do some poaching from Mercedes.

[PURE PASSION]

HAM:“I think we show year-on-year that we are the best team, that’s because we are open-minded, we’re current with the times," he said. "The guys that I work with are never too stubborn to admit that they might be wrong, and we’re constantly always learning from each other.

“We’re always pushing the boundaries. There’s not really any politics within the team, so it’s a united team that we push together. That’s why every year we come back, because that’s not necessarily always the same in teams.
He said it all !!!!!!

[RicRac]

What website can I use to find the best technical data from today's qualifying? Something with speed traps, mini sectors, etc

[PURE PASSION]

What website can I use to find the best technical data from today's qualifying? Something with speed traps, mini sectors, etc

Why?? you need to now on how many ways we lose ?????!!!:-D

[evo_spook]

Maybe this is why they've got rid of Vettel, why pay millions for a driver when the car isn't to be any good for 2 years

[Warp]

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[JPZ]

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10 km/h speed difference...

[RicRac]

Wow....... Just.... Wow.

[PURE PASSION]

BREAKING NEWS !!!!!!!
The new aerodynamic package for Hungary !!!!
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[WS6TransAm01]

And we have the biggest budget to play those darts... I guess they spent most of it for the Armani masks and nothing was left to develop the car or I don't know, how can someone mess up so badly. For 12 years not being able to built a car that would be the class of the field with tall that money, that's insane.

I’ve said it before, something within the team’s culture prevents the building of a good car. I don’t know if it’s politics or pressure. Someone mentioned the fact that the factory is in Maranello. That’s a good point. The world’s brightest minds may not want to move there. Look at Newey, he didn’t want to move to Italy. Maybe they have a problem recruiting because of where the factory is?


Ferrari need to do some poaching from Mercedes.

Who wouldn’t want to go from a winning team that runs like a well tuned clock to a midfield cluster-f? People want to win, it isn’t always about money. Plus with the cost cap coming into play soon, they won’t even have that as a bargaining chip.


Maybe this is why they've got rid of Vettel, why pay millions for a driver when the car isn't to be any good for 2 years

Maybe. Or maybe Vettel saw the tea leaves? Maybe he saw that between Charles being the apple of everyone’s eye and the car being a total turd there is no point in staying?

I bet Charles doesn’t see out the end of his contract and jumps to Merc as soon as Ham retires.

[Kyss4k]

Jeez, here we go again. You just won't let the anti-Italian vitriol go, will you? It really is an obsession with you, I see.

A lot of that around here on this forum. I find it hilarious that a forum for (supposedly) Ferrari tifosi is so vociferously anti-Italian!

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He is correct though. Not becouse Italians are worse for the job, but because being mostly Italian, based in Italy, you are not being able to use all the best from whole Europe, just the best from Italy. That's reduction of potentional clever brains, as difference in whole Europe vs just Italy is massive.

[evo_spook]

Maybe they have a problem recruiting because of where the factory is?
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What in commuting distance from Lake Como and Garda? I'd love to live there

[Kyss4k]

HAM:“I think we show year-on-year that we are the best team, that’s because we are open-minded, we’re current with the times," he said. "The guys that I work with are never too stubborn to admit that they might be wrong, and we’re constantly always learning from each other.

“We’re always pushing the boundaries. There’s not really any politics within the team, so it’s a united team that we push together. That’s why every year we come back, because that’s not necessarily always the same in teams.

He said it all !!!!!!

That sounds to me he could be aiming at Ferrari directly. Maybe he really wanted to go to Ferrari, but decided otherwise, when he saw, how the team is being run.

[Hornet]

If it was up to me, I would say it's time to put as much resources as possible towards the new regulation in 2022.

Its unlikely any team can beam Merc, with the advantage they have and the way development are restricted in modern times.
Adding to that, Ferrari now seems to have some issue somewhere that makes us fall further behind.
We'll have to see how we fare after going to other tracks, but the reaction from the driver tells us something isn't right.

[PURE PASSION]

That sounds to me he could be aiming at Ferrari directly. Maybe he really wanted to go to Ferrari, but decided otherwise, when he saw, how the team is being run.

I think the same thing when i read it !!!!!

[vetalo]

Jeez, here we go again. You just won't let the anti-Italian vitriol go, will you? It really is an obsession with you, I see.

A lot of that around here on this forum. I find it hilarious that a forum for (supposedly) Ferrari tifosi is so vociferously anti-Italian!

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This is not about anti-Italian. The lat time Ferrari won anything in term of drive and constructor championship was when it was led by none Italian team principal, since Ferrari wanted it Italian way Ferrari has won nothing. Today with all the budget and prize money we are laughing clown

[Kyss4k]

If it was up to me, I would say it's time to put as much resources as possible towards the new regulation in 2022.

Its unlikely any team can beam Merc, with the advantage they have and the way development are restricted in modern times.
Adding to that, Ferrari now seems to have some issue somewhere that makes us fall further behind.
We'll have to see how we fare after going to other tracks, but the reaction from the driver tells us something isn't right.

I fear we don't even know where is the problem, as we are repeating the same mistakes in cycles. We had huge amount of resources put into this year's car and this is how it turned out. I can not see any way, before they figure out, how to build a great car in all departments in the first place, how can 2022 rules changes be a good thing for us. Right now, we would probably fall behind even further.

[nani_s23]

Why?? you need to now on how many ways we lose ?????!!!:-D

:rotfl

[vetalo]

Yes he was. too much politics, during Corona Italian government was too slow to ask for outside help. its the same with Ferrari period

[tifosi1993]

He said it all !!!!!!

Absolutely.

I'm sure next year they will select another theater for the car launch, hire some singers and dancers, bring out all those fancy lights and gizmos and whatnot. And it will be the some old song, the same old proclamation of how much special Ferrari is, that no one is above Ferrari, that drivers only drive for the team and not for themselves, that they are proud of their Italian heritage and whatnot. Then the drivers have to follow through and repeat the same things, Ferrari is special, the look of the car, that they are proud to drive for Ferrari, that the team come first, that Ferrari is special and whatnot.

But you are not allowed to criticize, and any kind constructive criticisms aren't welcome. You can't show your frustration on team radio, even if the strategy turns out to be hilariously bad. You can't criticize the car, even if it is a complete lemon. Ferrari is above your petty criticism, Ferrari is special....

So yeah, this "team" is pretty much a cult, and on many situations, acts like a certain Sicilian organization. They can't take criticism from anyone. And Hamilton is 100% right, he can openly criticize Mercedes strategy's, and the team is pretty much devoted to him, as he is to them. There is no politics, no battle of egos, they are pushing each other and achieving success.

[Kyss4k]

Absolutely.

I'm sure next year they will select another theater for the car launch, hire some singers and dancers, bring out all those fancy lights and gizmos and whatnot. And it will be the some old song, the same old proclamation of how much special Ferrari is, that no one is above Ferrari, that drivers only drive for the team and not for themselves, that they are proud of their Italian heritage and whatnot. Then the drivers have to follow through and repeat the same things, Ferrari is special, the look of the car, that they are proud to drive for Ferrari, that the team come first, that Ferrari is special and whatnot.

But you are not allowed to criticize, and any kind constructive criticisms aren't welcome. You can't show your frustration on team radio, even if the strategy turns out to be hilariously bad. You can't criticize the car, even if it is a complete lemon. Ferrari is above your petty criticism, Ferrari is special....

So yeah, this "team" is pretty much a cult, and on many situations, acts like a certain Sicilian organization. They can't take criticism from anyone. And Hamilton is 100% right, he can openly criticize Mercedes strategy's, and the team is pretty much devoted to him, as he is to them. There is no politics, no battle of egos, they are pushing each other and achieving success.

Just a few more of these seasons and they will be in that theatre alone...

[vetalo]

Just a few more of these seasons and they will be in that theatre alone...

i am absolutely feed up with all the gimmick we are presented every year for over ten years, they promised both Alonso and Vettel winning cars but delivered none. in sport i support two teams in red Ferrari first and Arsenal second both have money but are the greatest under archiver i have followed in the last 30 years of me supporting them

[stefa]

I am so glad I have spent such a nice day out with my family, and not waste my time on that traveling circus. This is 80's all over again.... Waste of money, time, driver talent... just mediocracy.....

[stefa]

The 2020 Ferrari is slower than the 2019 Merc hahahhahahahaha

At this point Ferrari might as well just throw darts at the will to pick designs. 11 years of “we have correlation problems”

It’s like watching a group of monkeys try to have sex with a football.
I have literaly laught out loud :rotfl

[jgonzalesm6]

Jeez, here we go again. You just won't let the anti-Italian vitriol go, will you? It really is an obsession with you, I see.

A lot of that around here on this forum. I find it hilarious that a forum for (supposedly) Ferrari tifosi is so vociferously anti-Italian!

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That statement by tifosi1993 hit's it rght to the core of Ferrari's problems. I'ts not meant to be anit-Italian but all the talents in F1 reside in Great Britain.

Honda has moved there.

HAAS has moved there.

Mercedes Benz has bought there.

Mclaren has been there.

Williams has been there.

RedBull is there.


Ferrari have granted Adrian Newey lucrative incentives to move to Maranello Italy......he has denied them 3 times!!!! Ferrari came to him. He did'nt call Ferrari.

italy is beautiful to visit but to ask anyone outside of Italy, let alone whom don't speak Italian in F1, it's tough to move a family there. Not to mention the politics that goes inside the Scuderia.

In order for Ferrari F1 to succeed, it needs to move its F1 dept. to Great Britain.......but it won't because of Italian pride and it's Ferrari.....which will be its own un-doing...as we have witnessed since the Brawn, Todt, Schumi era of Ferrari---> then it became BRAWNGP-->which then became Mercedes F1. Lewis's success has Brawn foundations rooted in it in Brackley.


This qualifying in Austria was a COMPLETE embarrassment to the Scuderia while other teams with a third of the staff and a third of the budget OUTQUALIFIED Seb and Leclerc. This was probably, at least to me, the worst qualifying I have seen from Ferrari....and next week it will be a rinse and repeat because it's on the same track.

[chinmay]

This was the first time in his Ferrari career, Vettel couldn't make it to Q3 on pace alone.

[FranksterGM]

That statement by tifosi1993 hit's it rght to the core of Ferrari's problems. I'ts not meant to be anit-Italian but all the talents in F1 reside in Great Britain.

Honda has moved there.

HAAS has moved there.

Mercedes Benz has bought there.

Mclaren has been there.

Williams has been there.

RedBull is there.


Ferrari have granted Adrian Newey lucrative incentives to move to Maranello Italy......he has denied them 3 times!!!! Ferrari came to him. He did'nt call Ferrari.

italy is beautiful to visit but to ask anyone outside of Italy, let alone whom don't speak Italian in F1, it's tough to move a family there. Not to mention the politics that goes inside the Scuderia.

In order for Ferrari F1 to succeed, it needs to move its F1 dept. to Great Britain.......but it won't because of Italian pride and it's Ferrari.....which will be its own un-doing...as we have witnessed since the Brawn, Todt, Schumi era of Ferrari---> then it became BRAWNGP-->which then became Mercedes F1. Lewis's success has Brawn foundations rooted in it in Brackley.


This qualifying in Austria was a COMPLETE embarrassment to the Scuderia while other teams with a third of the staff and a third of the budget OUTQUALIFIED Seb and Leclerc. This was probably, at least to me, the worst qualifying I have seen from Ferrari....and next week it will be a rinse and repeat because it's on the same track.

Better for Ferrari to leave F1 than to become just another English team.
They should have left years ago anyway.

[jgonzalesm6]

This was the first time in his Ferrari career, Vettel couldn't make it to Q3 on pace alone.

Yep....last year in Germany he did'nt make it to Q3 but that was a DNF on his part.


Better for Ferrari to leave F1 than to become just another English team.
They should have left years ago anyway.

I disagree. Ferrari is to F1 as F1 is to Ferrari.

Ferrari F1 just needs a "fresh staff" long term wise in Great Britain. F1's birth started in Great Britain.......and the talents have moved there.

[vetalo]

That statement by tifosi1993 hit's it rght to the core of Ferrari's problems. I'ts not meant to be anit-Italian but all the talents in F1 reside in Great Britain.

Honda has moved there.

HAAS has moved there.

Mercedes Benz has bought there.

Mclaren has been there.

Williams has been there.

RedBull is there.


Ferrari have granted Adrian Newey lucrative incentives to move to Maranello Italy......he has denied them 3 times!!!! Ferrari came to him. He did'nt call Ferrari.

italy is beautiful to visit but to ask anyone outside of Italy, let alone whom don't speak Italian in F1, it's tough to move a family there. Not to mention the politics that goes inside the Scuderia.

In order for Ferrari F1 to succeed, it needs to move its F1 dept. to Great Britain.......but it won't because of Italian pride and it's Ferrari.....which will be its own un-doing...as we have witnessed since the Brawn, Todt, Schumi era of Ferrari---> then it became BRAWNGP-->which then became Mercedes F1. Lewis's success has Brawn foundations rooted in it in Brackley.


This qualifying in Austria was a COMPLETE embarrassment to the Scuderia while other teams with a third of the staff and a third of the budget OUTQUALIFIED Seb and Leclerc. This was probably, at least to me, the worst qualifying I have seen from Ferrari....and next week it will be a rinse and repeat because it's on the same track.

That was why James Allison left, when he lost his wife instead of Ferrari letting him stay in England and work remotely they did not he lft and he is doing great things with Merc because there is no politics, current Ferrari is like a cult and no room for innovation go and watch the launch of SF1000 again so much show off but nothing to show for it. No one outside of Italian really want to bring their family to country that is so ****** they are selling houses for One Euro who is buying??? But

[FranksterGM]

Yep....last year in Germany he did'nt make it to Q3 but that was a DNF on his part.



I disagree. Ferrari is to F1 as F1 is to Ferrari.

Ferrari F1 just needs a "fresh staff" long term wise in Great Britain. F1's birth started in Great Britain.......and the talents have moved there.

They are an Italian team. how could they be taken seriously if they moved to England.... bleh.
Would be terrible.

[vetalo]

Better for Ferrari to leave F1 than to become just another English team.
They should have left years ago anyway.

WHo says they should move there, Remote working is possible. You think Merc want to be based in the UK but they know to compete the best brain are in England. your pride has made you laughing clown, the last time Ferrari won any championship they had none italian as leader

[FranksterGM]

WHo says they should move there, Remote working is possible. You think Merc want to be based in the UK but they know to compete the best brain are in England. your pride has made you laughing clown, the last time Ferrari won any championship they had none italian as leader


Di Montezemolo was the boss ********.

[jgonzalesm6]

They are an Italian team. how could they be taken seriously if they moved to England.... bleh.
Would be terrible.

Alot of people who are'nt familiar with F1 THINK Mercedes F1 are run by Germans and have German staff.....which is quite the contrary.

Something needs to change in Ferrari F1 long term wise if it wants to win in F1. The atomic bomb was'nt built by Americans. The Saturn V rocket that took Americans to the moon was'nt "American" derived.

[Grimlock]

What the hell is going on with the anti-Italian sentiment here. Go follow other teams please Ferrari is and will be Italian. And I'd also like to mention that Britain has its set of problems to deal with ...

[vetalo]

Di Montezemolo was the boss ********. so gagf

He was not the team Principal or was he ??? Ross Brawn and Jean Todt were the two team Principal when they last won anything :-E

[vetalo]

What the hell is going on with the anti-Italian sentiment here. Go follow other teams please Ferrari is and will be Italian. And I'd also like to mention that Britain has its set of problems to deal with ...

Hence they continued to be also ran. I can't wait until tomorrow

[Kyss4k]

They are an Italian team. how could they be taken seriously if they moved to England.... bleh.
Would be terrible.

This attitude of yours is the prime example of what is wrong in Ferrari. We are Ferrari, we are Italian, we have to have Italian people, we will not do anything different... oh, we lost again? How?

[FranksterGM]

He was not the team Principal or was he ??? Ross Brawn and Jean Todt were the two team Principal when they last won anything :-E

They won quite a lot with Mauro Forgieri I seem to remember.
If you dont like Italy, pick another team.. plenty there.

[FranksterGM]

This attitude of yours is the prime example of what is wrong in Ferrari. We are Ferrari, we are Italian, we have to have Italian people, we will not do anything different... oh, we lost again? How?

Wrong... at least based in Italy.
Need i remind you that Ron Dennis hated latins and Italians and said going to italy and losing to an italian team disgusted him.

Ferrari has always had staff from other nations.

[Schumiklub]

The 2020 Ferrari is slower than the 2019 Merc hahahhahahahaha

At this point Ferrari might as well just throw darts at the will to pick designs. 11 years of “we have correlation problems”

It’s like watching a group of monkeys try to have sex with a football.

Even worse is that we’re slower than our 2019 car.


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[nani_s23]

Let’s come back to ferrari car, rather than going in other terms.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari has always had staff from other nations.

Ferrari F1 seem to be loosing the talented ones to Mercedes no???

[Kyss4k]

Wrong... at least based in Italy.
Need i remind you that Ron Dennis hated latins and Italians and said going to italy and losing to an italian team disgusted him.

Ferrari has always had staff from other nations.

Tell me, how will you get the brightest people to work for you in Italy? Did I have to remind you, how Newey denied the ridiculous offer from Ferrari, just because working in Italy would be problematic for him and his family? You have to be in the center of things and I don't mean to harm anyone, but Italy is not that place. Literally at least 80% of Ferrari staff is from Italy. And all the high positions. We had the best years, when Britton was our team principal, german was the driver and South African was the lead designer. We have to get the best people from around the world. The best from Italy seem to not be enough

[FranksterGM]

Tell me, how will you get the brightest people to work for you in Italy? Did I have to remind you, how Newey denied the ridiculous offer from Ferrari, just because working in Italy would be problematic for him and his family? You have to be in the center of things and I don't mean to harm anyone, but Italy is not that place.

A lot of anglo saxons are only comfortable living in the anglo world. you see it here too.
Weird as all of western Europe is really all the same... and english food is the blandest.

[Kyss4k]

A lot of anglo saxons are only comfortable living in the anglo world. you see it here too.
Weird as all of western Europe is really all the same... and english food is the blandest.

Well I am not anglo saxon but I would too prefer to live in Great Britain. Even though I would rather go to Italy to vacation. The biggiest issue for me is, the lifestyle is too different to most other Europe countries and the language barier. While we all are tought english as our second language, italian language is something, one has to want to learn as a bonus. And to live there without knowing italian fluently would not be pleasant. That's probably, why GB is the way to go.

[Lesky]

Hamilton summoned to stewards for not slowing down under yellow Q3 and exceeding track limits.

They will give him a warning and a cookie, I bet!

[Ferrarichamp]

A lot of anglo saxons are only comfortable living in the anglo world. you see it here too.
Weird as all of western Europe is really all the same... and english food is the blandest.

hardly, there are many cultural differences within western Europe.

[Redstorm]

That was why James Allison left, when he lost his wife instead of Ferrari letting him stay in England and work remotely they did not he lft and he is doing great things with Merc because there is no politics, current Ferrari is like a cult and no room for innovation go and watch the launch of SF1000 again so much show off but nothing to show for it. No one outside of Italian really want to bring their family to country that is so ****** they are selling houses for One Euro who is buying??? But

You are an ignorant ****.

[jgonzalesm6]

Hamilton summoned to stewards for not slowing down under yellow Q3 and exceeding track limits.

They will give him a warning and a cookie, I bet!


yep, a reprimand at best.

[FranksterGM]

hardly, there are many cultural differences within western Europe.

You have the same stuff all over the place...
Yes thank god some nations have preserved their culture.

[vetalo]

You are an ignorant ****.

And you are not Lol

[tifosi1993]

Wrong... at least based in Italy.
Need i remind you that Ron Dennis hated latins and Italians and said going to italy and losing to an italian team disgusted him.

Ferrari has always had staff from other nations.

Then why don't they sell those fancy cars only in Italy? Oh yeah that's right...because Ferrari is after all a global organization and needs global market and global customers to function.

"Ferrari has always had staff from other nations"...yeah but no anymore.

The whole "Ferrari needs to be Italian" thing has gone way overboard. So when the situation becomes dire, as we have seen today, there's no one capable enough to guide this team out of its current predicament. And how can it be, when you mostly hire people in senior positions because of their nationality.

So results don't matter, because keeping Ferrari "Italian" is more important, tutti frutti mamma mia right?

[Kyss4k]

Hamilton summoned to stewards for not slowing down under yellow Q3 and exceeding track limits.

They will give him a warning and a cookie, I bet!

They will give him pole position, because black lives matter...

[FranksterGM]

Then why don't they sell those fancy cars only in Italy? Oh yeah that's right...because Ferrari is after all a global organization and needs global market and global customers to function.

"Ferrari has always had staff from other nations"...yeah but no anymore.

The whole "Ferrari needs to be Italian" thing has gone way overboard. So when the situation becomes dire, as we have seen today, there's no one capable enough to guide this team out of its current predicament. And how can it be, when you mostly hire people in senior positions because of their nationality.

So results don't matter, because keeping Ferrari "Italian" is more important, tutti frutti mamma mia right?

So when they win with foreigners, its only because they hire poms?
same ole.
And yes being Italian is more important, stay italian or leave.... you nation has sports teams... follow those.

[vetalo]

Ferrari should stay in Italy, but they can move some department to where talent is. Airbus build plane from different location. how they operate now should be reviewed that is what i am saying

[Kyss4k]

So when they win with foreigners, its only because they hire poms?
spare my.
And yes being Italian is more important, stay italian or leave.... you nation has sports teams... follow those.

Lol... This is not race of nations! What the hell are you even about?

[tifosi1993]

That was why James Allison left, when he lost his wife instead of Ferrari letting him stay in England and work remotely they did not he lft and he is doing great things with Merc because there is no politics, current Ferrari is like a cult and no room for innovation go and watch the launch of SF1000 again so much show off but nothing to show for it. No one outside of Italian really want to bring their family to country that is so ****** they are selling houses for One Euro who is buying??? But

Thing is, they had Newey basically signed, but then the in fighting and backstabbing started. Dominicalli resigned to get away from it when being asked by Luca to fire the head of the engine department, so Newey went **** this and didn't go there, and I can't blame him for it. So then they got Allison and Dirk Di De Beer both of whom were successful at Lotus. Then they weren't seen as doing enough so they effectively got forced out, as you've mentioned. And now they've got internal promotion names designing the car, and today we saw the result.

[FranksterGM]

Lol... This is not race of nations! What the hell are you even about?

What do we follow F1 for if its not a nationalistic sport?

[FranksterGM]

Ferrari should stay in Italy, but they can move some department to where talent is. Airbus build plane from different location. how they operate now should be reviewed that is what i am saying

That would be ok..... worked with Barnard.

[Kyss4k]

What do we follow F1 for if its not a nationalistic sport?

Eeeh... for racing? Ooor... for to see the best drivers? Hmm... what about seeing our favourite team? NOT THE NATION! Or if I would watch NHL I would watch it because of what? Because I am fan of USA? This has to be the stupidest question I have heard in a long time.

Btw, I am from Czech Republic, as far as I know, there is no team from this country, should I stop watching it?

[tifosi1993]

Lol... This is not race of nations! What the hell are you even about?

Guy is hell bent on preserving the Italian culture. Just because Ferrari is from Italy, he thinks we should all bow down and support the whole country. :rotfl

[F2008]

Well that didn't look good. Ferrari seem down on engine power compared to 2019, also Alfa and Haas didn't have a good session.
I'm afraid we'll need a 2012-Alonso-like performance from Leclerc to have a shot at the title. Remember that in 2012 Ferrari's best qualifying position in the first 4 (!) races was only P9.

[Smintlemon]

What do we follow F1 for if its not a nationalistic sport?

ok. Stop this idiotic discussion.

i‘m italian, born an living in germany since 67. i feel and think as european.
lets go back to the discussion about the technical and whats wrong with the f1000.
my opinion is that have a massive impact to the power unit and loose about 70 - 90 hp.
but this is not the complete picture

[FranksterGM]

Eeeh... for racing? Ooor... for to see the best drivers? Hmm... what about seeing our favourite team? NOT THE NATION! Or if I would watch NHL I would watch it because of what? Because I am fan of USA? This has to be the stupidest question I have heard in a long time.

Btw, I am from Czech Republic, as far as I know, there is no team from this country, should I stop watching it?

Going by your replies... yes. do the world a favor

[Cavallino]

Italy should be much better off than it is.

They have all these luxury brands, and not just in motorsports, Armani, Gucci, Lamborghini and obviously Ferrari.

You buy raw materials, slap a brand name on it, and sell it for double. It's basically a license to print money!

(I'm saying this as an Italian)

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari should stay in Italy, but they can move some department to where talent is. Airbus build plane from different location. how they operate now should be reviewed that is what i am saying

That is the main point isn't it. The main F1 base of operation should be outside of Italy and in the UK. Designing a Ferrari F1 car in UK or any other place would not make it less Ferrari, it would still be a Ferrari F1 car.

[Cavallino]

ok. Stop this idiotic discussion.

i‘m italian, born an living in germany since 67. i feel and think as european.
lets go back to the discussion about the technical and whats wrong with the f1000.
my opinion is that have a massive impact to the power unit and loose about 70 - 90 hp.
but this is not the complete picture

Yes, and they did nothing to bring the rumoured bspec engine to Austria. Now we are apparently stuck with this engine "for the good of the sport".

[Kyss4k]

Going by your replies... yes. do the world a favor

You are the right one to judge :lol

[FranksterGM]

Italy should be much better off than it is.

They have all these luxury brands, and not just in motorsports, Armani, Gucci, Lamborghini and obviously Ferrari.

You buy raw materials, slap a brand name on it, and sell it for double. It's basically a license to print money!

(I'm saying this as an Italian)


its not as bad as people think.... only some parts of the south.
But anyway....

[FranksterGM]

You are the right one to judge :lol

Indeed i am eastern euro asiatic ____

[Cavallino]

That is the main point isn't it. The main F1 base of operation should be outside of Italy and in the UK. Designing a Ferrari F1 car in UK or any other place would not make it less Ferrari, it would still be a Ferrari F1 car.

I agree with getting the outside talent.

I don't think they need to move to the UK. Just improve telecommuting. Do it for "safety".

[wisepie]

I will wait until after the race before I drown my sorrows and shoot myself.:-E:-s

[Cavallino]

Why didn't Mercedes remove DAS "for the good of the sport".

[Kyss4k]

Indeed i am eastern euro asiatic ____

So? Putting race/nationality into that too? I am done with this, you clearly have different view of the world (at least F1 world) than other fans, and that's fine. Thanks for the banter.

[doublesixes]

Ferrari has been making ugly F1 cars since the hybrid era started. I believe function and form should complement each other. I say this as an industrial designer. The team should strive to create a beautiful product that's also fast, reliable and charismatic, as the marque's road cars.

[tifosi1993]

ok. Stop this idiotic discussion.

i‘m italian, born an living in germany since 67. i feel and think as european.
lets go back to the discussion about the technical and whats wrong with the f1000.
my opinion is that have a massive impact to the power unit and loose about 70 - 90 hp.
but this is not the complete picture

It is quite clear now that we've cheated with the fuel flow sensors. In last years Austria, there were 5 Ferrari powered cars (out of 6) in the top 10. And today there is only one. It is quite clear now that after the clampdown from the FIA, Ferrari engine has lost its engine power.

The current Ferrari PU is quite clearly the least powerful engine on the grid.

[jgonzalesm6]

Why didn't Mercedes remove DAS "for the good of the sport".

Redbull has it too. They protested it just to make sure before they introduce theirs........smart by Horner.

[stefa]

Hamilton summoned to stewards for not slowing down under yellow Q3 and exceeding track limits.

They will give him a warning and a cookie, I bet!

And a cup of warm milk

[jgonzalesm6]

It is quite clear now that we've cheated with the fuel flow sensors. In last years Austria, there were 5 Ferrari powered cars (out of 6) in the top 10. And today there is only one. It is quite clear now that after the clampdown from the FIA, Ferrari engine has lost its engine power.

The current Ferrari PU is quite clearly the least powerful engine on the grid.


No way of confirming it but that LOOKS to be the case when you compare last year to this year.

[Smintlemon]

I never believe that media release about the b spec power unit. They had no time to develope it.
maybe its current in the development and will be released in season 21.
this season is gone. Lets wait hungary, but i think they will set all recources to next season.

[Cavallino]

It is quite clear now that we've cheated with the fuel flow sensors. In last years Austria, there were 5 Ferrari powered cars (out of 6) in the top 10. And today there is only one. It is quite clear now that after the clampdown from the FIA, Ferrari engine has lost its engine power.

The current Ferrari PU is quite clearly the least powerful engine on the grid.

Yep, but if it was just a "trick", how did they lose so much? Because even 2018 the engine was just as good as the Merc. So they just used the trick and didn't develop anything else?

[vetalo]

I will wait until after the race before I drown my sorrows and shoot myself.:-E:-s

I am working from home on monday because I have a merc supporter in the office i consult for :roll in fact i will WFH all week :lou

[Kyss4k]

Why didn't Mercedes remove DAS "for the good of the sport".

I know the answer! I knoow! It's because... you are in it to win it. By the way, do you guys remember 2011? When we gave up the fight to keep the ban of the blown diffusers for "the good of the sport"? The ban took place during the British GP and Ferrari have won it by a serious margin. What do you think Mercedes would do? Would they agree to lift the ban again and lose their new found advantage too? I don't think so.

[Vettel165]

I expected this. And it will not get better in 2021 as they will lose Seb as the driver to develop the car. Karma will come its way and bite Binotto hard. Lost all respect for that guy.

Gp2 engine, Gp2 engine. Ahhhh!.

https://youtu.be/fVvMBVE5uWo

[vetalo]

Yep, but if it was just a "trick", how did they lose so much? Because even 2018 the engine was just as good as the Merc. So they just used the trick and didn't develop anything else?

One step forward last year and this year ten step backward the embarrassment would have been higher in a longer circuit

[Lesky]

So Hamilton sees a cloud of dust, obscuring his view of the flags and keeps going full speed. Seems like a safe strategy :-)

[stefa]

I will wait until after the race before I drown my sorrows and shoot myself.:-E:-s

Don't even say things like that! They are no worth you getting upset about them! Expecially you cannot influence and change them! Enjoy life! These are some multimillioners spending money for nothing.... I have changed my approach few years ago. I was die hard core fan. Getting very upset over bad Ferrari results. Staying nervous for days afters bad race, for what?!?!? They don't deserve that kind of devotion!

[Kyss4k]

I expected this. And it will not get better in 2021 as they will lose Seb as the driver to develop the car. Karma will come its way and bite Binotto hard. Lost all respect for that guy.

Gp2 engine, Gp2 engine. Ahhhh!.

https://youtu.be/fVvMBVE5uWo

Great comparison. Did you check the corners though? We are on average at the same speed during the corners. Sometimes faster (mainly the fast corners) sometimes a bit slower (slow corners). So... I actually don't know what to think about this. The downforce looks allright, but if it's too draggy, can it be made more efficient and at the same time to keep the downforce? Or is it just the engine?

[tifosi1993]

Yep, but if it was just a "trick", how did they lose so much? Because even 2018 the engine was just as good as the Merc. So they just used the trick and didn't develop anything else?

The "trick" started when Ferrari introduced the 2018 spec-2 engine upgrade in Canada. Ever since then and up until the 2019 US GP, all Ferrari powered cars had momentary speed boost at certain rpm range. It was never about top speed.

Also the 2018 car quite good aerodynamically, unlike the Mercedes which was a draggy mess at the beginning of 2018. Now I don't know what else they have done with the engine, but after today's evidence, it is quite clear that Ferrari PU is now the least powerful engine in current F1.

[jgonzalesm6]

Brundle: "Sainz...good luck next year at Ferrari!!!"

Sainz: "Hold on"

(Sainz makes his way to Binotto)

Sainz: "Hey B, is there any way of getting out of my contract with Ferrari........I want to stay with Mclaren." "Anyways, thanks for the invite."

[Cavallino]

Great comparison. Did you check the corners though? We are on average at the same speed during the corners. Sometimes faster (mainly the fast corners) sometimes a bit slower (slow corners). So... I actually don't know what to think about this. The downforce looks allright, but if it's too draggy, can it be made more efficient and at the same time to keep the downforce? Or is it just the engine?

I saw that too in the little graphic Sky had during Qualy. Pretty damn sure it's the engine, but we better hope it's Aero.

You know, Singapore is the only time I ever remember Ferrari bolting something on the car and it actually working. So maybe Hungary will be a repeat of that.

[Cavallino]

I expected this. And it will not get better in 2021 as they will lose Seb as the driver to develop the car. Karma will come its way and bite Binotto hard. Lost all respect for that guy.

Gp2 engine, Gp2 engine. Ahhhh!.

https://youtu.be/fVvMBVE5uWo

Drivers don't develop cars anymore, not like they used to. If we were allowed to lap around Fiorano, this would have never happened.

[Kyss4k]

Brundle: "Sainz...good luck next year at Ferrari!!!"

Sainz: "Hold on"

(Sainz makes his way to Binotto)

Sainz: "Hey B, is there any way of getting out of my contract with Ferrari........I want to stay with Mclaren." "Anyways, thanks for the invite."

I wouldn't be surprised, if something similar actually happened.

[Cavallino]

The "trick" started when Ferrari introduced the 2018 spec-2 engine upgrade in Canada. Ever since then and up until the 2019 US GP, all Ferrari powered cars had momentary speed boost at certain rpm range. It was never about top speed.

Also the 2018 car quite good aerodynamically, unlike the Mercedes which was a draggy mess at the beginning of 2018. Now I don't know what else they have done with the engine, but after today's evidence, it is quite clear that Ferrari PU is now the least powerful engine in current F1.

That was different, I thought they stopped that with the extra sensor.

The constant scruitiny of our engine over the years has been so hard to keep track of.

[paolo lalli]

First question on Ferrari job application form, are you italian if yes proceed to next question.If no your application has been terminated.Bernie eccelstone summed it up Ferrari failure is due to the fact that it is to italian.In the Ross Brawn error they had the perfect balance now it's chaos.I do not believe one word that comes out of Binnotto's mouth he states it's all cool calm and collected crap I say it's a pizza oven with chaos and infighting.Seb should count his lucky stars he is out.I wonder what Charles is thinking deep in side another lamb to the slaughter.?For sainz is no issue he is used to being mid field or lower.The Ferrari class room needs cleaning out.

[tifosi1993]

No way of confirming it but that LOOKS to be the case when you compare last year to this year.

I mean just compare the onbaord and sector times. I have already posted it, last year Leclerc did 15.9 in sector 1, which is nothing but a one corner and long straights. This year it is 16.4.
We can all say that, "oh but it is because of the drag". But if that's to be the case, then the car has to have huge points of downforce.

But that's not the case here. This car is even slower in sector 2 and 3 compared to last years SF90. I think Ferrari has made a complete mess with both the PU and the chassis. I don't know what they are bringing in Hungary, but I don't think it will be nearly enough to solve all the problems.

[Cavallino]

I mean just compare the onbaord and sector times. I have already posted it, last year Leclerc did 15.9 in sector 1, which is nothing but a one corner and long straights. This year it is 16.4.
We can all say that, "oh but it is because of the drag". But if that's to be the case, then the car has to have huge points of downforce.

But that's not the case here. This car is even slower in sector 2 and 3 compared to last years SF90. I think Ferrari has made a complete mess with both the PU and the chassis. I don't know what they are bringing in Hungary, but I don't think it will be nearly enough to solve all the problems.

Yeah, if it was just the Chassis, then what about the other Ferrari engined teams? Unless we hear something about a bspec engine with ATLEAST 50hp, forget it.

[Aziz]

I mean just compare the onbaord and sector times. I have already posted it, last year Leclerc did 15.9 in sector 1, which is nothing but a one corner and long straights. This year it is 16.4.
We can all say that, "oh but it is because of the drag". But if that's to be the case, then the car has to have huge points of downforce.

But that's not the case here. This car is even slower in sector 2 and 3 compared to last years SF90. I think Ferrari has made a complete mess with both the PU and the chassis. I don't know what they are bringing in Hungary, but I don't think it will be nearly enough to solve all the problems.

I think they designed the car for the PU that does not exist anymore

[tifosi1993]

I expected this. And it will not get better in 2021 as they will lose Seb as the driver to develop the car. Karma will come its way and bite Binotto hard. Lost all respect for that guy.

Gp2 engine, Gp2 engine. Ahhhh!.

https://youtu.be/fVvMBVE5uWo

Ferrari: 2020 car suited to Vettel's driving style
(https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-ferrari-la-rossa-2020-adatta-allo-stile-di-guida-di-vettel/4621370/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Maybe that's the main problem.

[Cavallino]

I think they designed the car for the PU that does not exist anymore

So they assumed they have this monster engine and they can tack on a bunch of downforce, and now no engine.

So then they lied and said, we had correlation problems and went the "wrong direction", and now we're going to bring a bspec for Hungary.

If that's the case, you should have been working on that since before the lockdown, and could have brought it to Austria.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ooooops guys.....


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcGVyEIWAAA5aWs?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcGVyEHWkAMWFOa?format=jpg&name=medium

[Lesky]

Hamilton avoids penalty after investigation for speeding under yellow flags

The stewards ruled Hamilton was shown “conflicting signals” after team mate Valtteri Bottas went off the track ahead of him during qualifying.

“The driver mentioned that he passed a green light panel in turn five,” the stewards noted. “The video footage confirmed that there have been yellow flags and green light panels at the same time and therefore conflicting signals were shown to the driver.

“Taking this into account, the stewards decide to take no further action.”

[Kyss4k]

Yeah, if it was just the Chassis, then what about the other Ferrari engined teams? Unless we hear something about a bspec engine with ATLEAST 50hp, forget it.

Engines are frozen.

[Kyss4k]

Hamilton avoids penalty after investigation for speeding under yellow flags

The stewards ruled Hamilton was shown “conflicting signals” after team mate Valtteri Bottas went off the track ahead of him during qualifying.

“The driver mentioned that he passed a green light panel in turn five,” the stewards noted. “The video footage confirmed that there have been yellow flags and green light panels at the same time and therefore conflicting signals were shown to the driver.

“Taking this into account, the stewards decide to take no further action.”

Ha Ha He Hi Hu... Who expected anything different? In this current time he is untouchable.

[Cavallino]

Engines are frozen.

Can someone please source this, because I've only heard this in passing from Renault's TP.

[jgonzalesm6]

Hamilton avoids penalty after investigation for speeding under yellow flags

The stewards ruled Hamilton was shown “conflicting signals” after team mate Valtteri Bottas went off the track ahead of him during qualifying.

“The driver mentioned that he passed a green light panel in turn five,” the stewards noted. “The video footage confirmed that there have been yellow flags and green light panels at the same time and therefore conflicting signals were shown to the driver.

“Taking this into account, the stewards decide to take no further action.”


as expected.......:roll

[Cavallino]

Great comparison. Did you check the corners though? We are on average at the same speed during the corners. Sometimes faster (mainly the fast corners) sometimes a bit slower (slow corners). So... I actually don't know what to think about this. The downforce looks allright, but if it's too draggy, can it be made more efficient and at the same time to keep the downforce? Or is it just the engine?

But also look at Alfa, there top speed isn't bad. They lose in the corners, so maybe it is just aero.

[Aziz]

Engines are frozen.

Since when and for how long?

[Kyss4k]

Can someone please source this, because I've only heard this in passing from Renault's TP.

Would be great to get it clear from someone. I have heard, that after we failed to bring the upgraded PU to Austria, we are out of luck, because of the engine freeze.

I knew, that they were supposed to be frozen from 2021 onwards, but I swear I haveread somewhere, it was brough forward. And for God's name I can't remeber if it was an article, or just some random dude on some forum.

[Kyss4k]

But also look at Alfa, there top speed isn't bad. They lose in the corners, so maybe it is just aero.

Yea, I was thinking about that too. But seeing them basically last makes me believe, they have just sacrificed all the downforce, because being fast on straights and being last means their areo is an absolute garbage.

[tifosi1993]

But also look at Alfa, there top speed isn't bad. They lose in the corners, so maybe it is just aero.

Or maybe Alfa are running with a lower downforce setup to compensate for the lack of speed on straights.

Or maybe the engine isn't as bad as I think it is. TBH, as fans, we will never know the true picture. But the SF1000 is a lot slower than Mercedes on straights, that's pretty much clear.

[Cavallino]

Would be great to get it clear from someone. I have heard, that after we failed to bring the upgraded PU to Austria, we are out of luck, because of the engine freeze.

I knew, that they were supposed to be frozen from 2021 onwards, but I swear I haveread somewhere, it was brough forward. And for God's name I can't remeber if it was an article, or just some random dude on some forum.

Same, I saw it in the article where Binotto confirmed there was no new engine for this race and that the engine is now frozen. If so, we can forget about F1.

[vetalo]

Even if Ferrari turns it around in Hungary, with all the money they make from F1 should never be in this position. so people should understand how many millions supporters outside of Italy feels.

[Cavallino]

Or maybe Alfa are running with a lower downforce setup to compensate for the lack of speed on straights.

Or maybe the engine isn't as bad as I think it is. TBH, as fans, we will never know the true picture. But the SF1000 is a lot slower than Mercedes on straights, that's pretty much clear.

Right, and the SF90 was by definition, low downforce and low drag. So it's possible it's not as bad as it looks.

Kinda wish we didn't have all these engine tracks now, like Monza and Spa. Would love to see a Monaco.

[JPZ]

Drivers don't develop cars anymore, not like they used to. If we were allowed to lap around Fiorano, this would have never happened.

Exactly!

[JPZ]

Same, I saw it in the article where Binotto confirmed there was no new engine for this race and that the engine is now frozen. If so, we can forget about F1.

Ferrari did say they were interested in competing in IndyCar as well.

[tifosi1993]

Today I have been a lot more hateful towards the team and posted some pretty bad stuffs, which I shouldn't have done.

I pretty much have forgotten that, the current SF1000 is winter-test spec. The Mercedes, Red Bull, Mclaren, Tracing point, all are effectively brand new cars. Maybe I should wait a little bit more to judge the SF1000s true performance. Let's see what Ferrari will bring in Hungary, according to Binotto, it will be pretty much a brand new car.

Edit: Meant "hateful" not "bashful", damn AI and auto correct

[Cavallino]

Ferrari did say they were interested in competing in IndyCar as well.

I saw that. I think I could get used to it.

[JPZ]

First question on Ferrari job application form, are you italian if yes proceed to next question.If no your application has been terminated.Bernie eccelstone summed it up Ferrari failure is due to the fact that it is to italian.In the Ross Brawn error they had the perfect balance now it's chaos.I do not believe one word that comes out of Binnotto's mouth he states it's all cool calm and collected crap I say it's a pizza oven with chaos and infighting.Seb should count his lucky stars he is out.I wonder what Charles is thinking deep in side another lamb to the slaughter.?For sainz is no issue he is used to being mid field or lower.The Ferrari class room needs cleaning out.

The problem with Ferrari is the leadership, the technical ability is there, in 2018 the car was good enough to win.

[Cavallino]

Today I have been a lot more bashful towards the team and posted some pretty bad stuffs, which I shouldn't have done.

I pretty much have forgotten that, the current SF1000 is winter-test spec. The Mercedes, Red Bull, Mclaren, Tracing point, all are effectively brand new cars. Maybe I should wait a little bit more to judge the SF1000s true performance. Let's see what Ferrari will bring in Hungary, according to Binotto, it will be pretty much a brand new car.

You were much more optimistic after Friday as was I, much more than other on here. :-P

And look, not having all the aero components ready in time, with all the supply chain issues they probably had, I can understand that.

But to not have ANYTHING, that I cannot stand. If you knew that engines would be frozen, you had to do everything possible to bring out a BSpec. Atleast bring the strong suspension components they talked about. SOMETHING.

But all that said, there does look to be SOME, very little, hope for the Hungary package.

[Rishu]

I wouldn't be surprised, if something similar actually happened.

Maybe not, after getting out qualified by Norris

[WS6TransAm01]

Tell me, how will you get the brightest people to work for you in Italy? Did I have to remind you, how Newey denied the ridiculous offer from Ferrari, just because working in Italy would be problematic for him and his family? You have to be in the center of things and I don't mean to harm anyone, but Italy is not that place. Literally at least 80% of Ferrari staff is from Italy. And all the high positions. We had the best years, when Britton was our team principal, german was the driver and South African was the lead designer. We have to get the best people from around the world. The best from Italy seem to not be enough

100% spot on. By staying in Italy Ferrari limit themselves to a pool of candidates from only inside Italy. None of the top engineers seem to want to move there. They are shooting themselves in the foot and it shows.


What do we follow F1 for if its not a nationalistic sport?

How in the world is it nationalistic? I was born in Ukraine, live in the US and have never been to Italy. The closest I’ve come is my wife’s grandfather being from Italy.

Stop being silly. Ferrari can have their F1 factory in England just fine. Look at Merc? Their F1 team is in England, they don’t make all their road cars there. Ferrari can remain and Italian team, headquartered in Maranello, Road car manufacturing in Maranello but the F1 factory in England where they have a vastly larger pool of engineering talent.

[vetalo]

100% spot on. By staying in Italy Ferrari limit themselves to a pool of candidates from only inside Italy. None of the top engineers seem to want to move there. They are shooting themselves in the foot and it shows.



How in the world is it nationalistic? I was born in Ukraine, live in the US and have never been to Italy. The closest I’ve come is my wife’s grandfather being from Italy.

Stop being silly. Ferrari can have their F1 factory in England just fine. Look at Merc? Their F1 team is in England, they don’t make all their road cars there. Ferrari can remain and Italian team, headquartered in Maranello, Road car manufacturing in Maranello but the F1 factory in England where they have a vastly larger pool of engineering talent.

:thumb

[Cavallino]

100% spot on. By staying in Italy Ferrari limit themselves to a pool of candidates from only inside Italy. None of the top engineers seem to want to move there. They are shooting themselves in the foot and it shows.



How in the world is it nationalistic? I was born in Ukraine, live in the US and have never been to Italy. The closest I’ve come is my wife’s grandfather being from Italy.

Stop being silly. Ferrari can have their F1 factory in England just fine. Look at Merc? Their F1 team is in England, they don’t make all their road cars there. Ferrari can remain and Italian team, headquartered in Maranello, Road car manufacturing in Maranello but the F1 factory in England where they have a vastly larger pool of engineering talent.

I completely agree we need the best talent regardless of nation.

But they can telecommute or visit, they don't need to LIVE in Italy.

Michael didn't.

Pay them enough to live in Monaco like all the F1 drivers do. Or live in Switzerland.

[Greig]

Stop being silly. Ferrari can have their F1 factory in England just fine. Look at Merc? Their F1 team is in England, they don’t make all their road cars there. Ferrari can remain and Italian team, headquartered in Maranello, Road car manufacturing in Maranello but the F1 factory in England where they have a vastly larger pool of engineering talent.

And that worked so well the last time they done it.....

[vetalo]

Today I have been a lot more hateful towards the team and posted some pretty bad stuffs, which I shouldn't have done.

I pretty much have forgotten that, the current SF1000 is winter-test spec. The Mercedes, Red Bull, Mclaren, Tracing point, all are effectively brand new cars. Maybe I should wait a little bit more to judge the SF1000s true performance. Let's see what Ferrari will bring in Hungary, according to Binotto, it will be pretty much a brand new car.

Edit: Meant "hateful" not "bashful", damn AI and auto correct

Most fans should feel the way you feel, Ferrari with all the money they get from F1, should never be in this situation. F1 should review how much money ferrari get maybe they will be more serious. these days they think they can come perform below per and get millions in extra money. this should stop

[JPZ]

And that worked so well the last time they done it.....

With John Barnard from 1993-1996?

[Ferrarichamp]

Williams have a Merc engine, and yet are so slow.

[330 p4]

Been here before, very much like 2012 when we knew car would be bad. Having the engine trick taken they have put a ton of dirty down force on. I will just re calibrate expectation for something to cheer. To be best of the rest after RB and Merc over these 2 races. No point moaning they are behind those 2 teams as until Hungary there is no chance. Hopefully can beat McLaren the midfield tomorrow and get a 5 and 6, maybe better with some bad fortune for the top 2 teams. No point criticising until we get to Hungary, if the gap has not closed by then or position the same then just remember back to 1991-1995 and 2009, 2014 which were all years Ferrari were 3rd best at best. Survived those years.

[jgonzalesm6]

Williams have a Merc engine, and yet are so slow.


Racing Point has a Merc engine and are fast.

What's your point??

[SilverSpeed]

Gains/losses for Austria qualifying vs 2019 times:

Racing Point -0.921
Williams -0.737
Renault -0.493
McLaren -0.473
AlphaTauri -0.360
Mercedes -0.323s
Red Bull +0.038
Haas +0.619
Ferrari +0.920
Alfa Romeo +1.119 #F1

[Kyss4k]

Gains/losses for Austria qualifying vs 2019 times:

Racing Point -0.921
Williams -0.737
Renault -0.493
McLaren -0.473
AlphaTauri -0.360
Mercedes -0.323s
Red Bull +0.038
Haas +0.619
Ferrari +0.920
Alfa Romeo +1.119 #F1

Now it's clearly an engine related problem.

[Stormsearcher]

Just saw quali results. yikes!! it does look bleak doesnt it? I thought all along we were sandbagging. Actually hoped we were.
In anycase, Lec might still make it in the top 5. If vettel goes for a bold strategy he might also manage 4-7 somewhere.
So damage limitation till hungary. Then lets pray the new car is good.

[Ferrarichamp]

any word from Binotto yet?

[FerrariF60]

I am so glad I have spent such a nice day out with my family, and not waste my time on that traveling circus. This is 80's all over again.... Waste of money, time, driver talent... just mediocracy.....

me too.....i watched teh quali 6 hour later....that shows how interested i am in Ferrari this year.....as soon as i saw how bad we were in winter testing....i had a glimmer of hope that Ferrari would actually try and fix some of its defficit by race ONE...but i guess i was wrong.....there is somethig WRONG in that team the way it's been managed ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP.....

and Matia is NOT the right man in charge as TP....he's an engineer....end of story

[jgonzalesm6]

And that worked so well the last time they done it.....


With John Barnard from 1993-1996?

Barnard was a loner........he did'nt work well with engineers. He ran the Ferrari Guildford Technical Office. He was no Horner or Wolff......or Brawn.

He craved recognition.....but hardly got it.

That's why it failed.

[jgonzalesm6]

any word from Binotto yet?

Yes......in a word.....disappointment.....can't hide it.

[FerrariF60]

Even worse is that we’re slower than our 2019 car.


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that's what hurts the most....you'd think Ferrari would build and improve on last years car and make it better and quicker.....YET we are a WHOLE second slower in 2020 at the same track....WOW JUST WOW.....I'VE GOT NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE MY DISSAPPOINTMENT....

[Greig]

Barnard was a loner........he did'nt work well with engineers. He ran the Ferrari Guildford Technical Office. He was no Horner or Wolff......or Brawn.

He craved recognition.....but hardly got it.

That's why it failed.

Yet Ferrari took him back and let him once again set up in England....not sure why you would compare him to Horner or Wolf lol he was a designer. He pioneered the semi auto gearbox while at Ferrari.

[nani_s23]

Toto Wolff: "I would like to cheer up everyone at Ferrari, because they are a fantastic company with fantastic people. But I have no reason to cheer up Mattia."

Attempts by Ferrari to explain that they had to catch up in terms of aerodynamics and were therefore not competitive did not go down particularly well with Wolff.

Toto:"It wasn't Ferrari that played it down, but Mattia. I can't listen to this anymore."

Motorsport-Magazin.com also reported that Helmut Marko didn't want to comment about the performance of Ferrari either...

[nani_s23]

Lewis was asked about Ferrari's surprising bad performance today and didn't want to answer it but then said it anyway

"I don't know what their main main problem is, I know it's engine."

[nani_s23]

Binotto: "At least Saturday in Spielberg has ended on a positive note for us as three of our Ferrari Driver Academy drivers made a clean sweep of the podium places in the first Formula 2 race of the season."
"There’s no point denying that this was a disappointing qualifying session. We knew the start of the season would be difficult for us and today’s result certainly confirmed that to be the case, even more so than we had expected."
"We have to analyse very carefully every aspect of our performance and compare it to the opposition, trying to understand why there is this gap."
"Now, we will prepare as well as possible for tomorrow’s race, which will be tough with plenty of unknown factors, more so than usual, it being the first of this strange season.
"We will carry out our tasks to the best of our ability, trying to get everything out of the package we have here. It's pointless to predict where we might finish and we must just try and score as many points as possible."

I don’t see him as TP in longer run. I think next year might be the last chance for him.

[T99]

Toto Wolff: "I would like to cheer up everyone at Ferrari, because they are a fantastic company with fantastic people. But I have no reason to cheer up Mattia."

Attempts by Ferrari to explain that they had to catch up in terms of aerodynamics and were therefore not competitive did not go down particularly well with Wolff.

Toto:"It wasn't Ferrari that played it down, but Mattia. I can't listen to this anymore."

Motorsport-Magazin.com also reported that Helmut Marko didn't want to comment about the performance of Ferrari either...



What happened between Toto Wolff and Mattia binotto? Never seen toto talking like that about anyone else.

[jgonzalesm6]

Yet Ferrari took him back and let him once again set up in England....not sure why you would compare him to Horner or Wolf lol he was a designer. He pioneered the semi auto gearbox while at Ferrari.


He ran the GTO did'nt he?? Yes, he is known for the semi-auto gear box.

BUT he does'nt work well with engineers...as opposed to Horner, Wolff or Brawn who do.

He was a bad pick to RUN the GTO....which is why it failed. Ferrari should have left him in a room by himself and have someone else more savvy and has the managerial skills to run a team.

Ferrari closed the doors to the GTO and I believe it was taken over by another F1 team and renamed.

[nani_s23]

What happened between Toto Wolff and Mattia binotto? Never seen toto talking like that about anyone else.

There was something happened. Toto left in a discomfort. More yet to be known.
May be it’s FIA presidential candidature? I’m not sure.

[Ferrarichamp]

Lewis was asked about Ferrari's surprising bad performance today and didn't want to answer it but then said it anyway

"I don't know what their main main problem is, I know it's engine."

So Lewis has performed an analysis of our car's aerodynamics...

[jpalmito]

:thumb

Sorry but i strongly disagree with you.
World without different nations will led to an universal gender ( consumer ? ) without any kind of cultural differences.
i love Ferrari as a brand because it represents some sort of what we could call the italian genius.
Scuderia problems aren't related to italian mentality but to the fact they didn't have found the good leader.
Italian or not ( john barnard story wasn't the solution either ..)

[Greig]

So Lewis has performed an analysis of our car's aerodynamics...

He is probably quite well qualified to see where we struggle TBH.

[nani_s23]

He is probably quite well qualified to see where we struggle TBH.

:-D

[SilverSpeed]

SF1000...
Yeah 1000 milliseconds slower...

We are gonna get lapped by taxi's :-(.

[nani_s23]

SF1000...
Yeah 1000 milliseconds slower...

We are gonna get lapped by taxi's :-(.

Only luck can save ferrari in tomorrow’s race else it’s a complete hammering.

[SilverSpeed]

Toto seems still butt hurt by Ferrari not opening up upon the engine and FIA discussion.

[Ferrarichamp]

He is probably quite well qualified to see where we struggle TBH.

apparently he said engine is our main problem, so he knows for a fact that over 50 percent of the time gap is due to the engine, just by looking at the car?

[jgonzalesm6]

Only luck can save ferrari in tomorrow’s race else it’s a complete hammering.


Ferrari needs luck from mother nature tomorrow....which I doubt will happen.

[Greig]

apparently he said engine is our main problem, so he knows for a fact that over 50 percent of the time gap is due to the engine, just by looking at the car?

Maybe he also shares the track with it and has data from his team etc?

[paolo lalli]

Totto is sick and tired of hearing the binotto fiddle.What he is saying is you are the leader put up a showing and perform with us.Binotto is no totto wolf he rules.Totto rules and more totto rules.Binotto is not strong enough he is to much of a prima Donna.

[Ferrarichamp]

Maybe he also shares the track with it and has data from his team etc?

so what percentage of the time gap is due to our engine, in your estimation?

[KimiBot]

Brundle: "Sainz...good luck next year at Ferrari!!!"

Sainz: "Hold on"

(Sainz makes his way to Binotto)

Sainz: "Hey B, is there any way of getting out of my contract with Ferrari........I want to stay with Mclaren." "Anyways, thanks for the invite."

Yeah, I was thinking that too, Ferrari does not look so sexy atm.

[jgonzalesm6]

According to AMuS Michael Schmidt: "From the environment in Maranello you can hear that the engine costs them half a second per lap."


The main PU components got frozen this year: ICE, turbo, MGU-H, fuel and oil. You can only modify the MGU-K, battery & electronics. The rest will be like this until the end of the 2021 season.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/ferrari-krise-oesterreuch-qualifying/

[SS454]

Tell me, how will you get the brightest people to work for you in Italy? Did I have to remind you, how Newey denied the ridiculous offer from Ferrari, just because working in Italy would be problematic for him and his family? You have to be in the center of things and I don't mean to harm anyone, but Italy is not that place. Literally at least 80% of Ferrari staff is from Italy. And all the high positions. We had the best years, when Britton was our team principal, german was the driver and South African was the lead designer. We have to get the best people from around the world. The best from Italy seem to not be enough


Ferrari are just like the Montreal Canadians of the NHL. I don't think it's just a case of better people not wanting to work in Italy, I think Ferrari WANT their team to be primarily Italian. Any team should always be looking to get the best people, regardless where they are from. Mercedes does that, and it's proven successful.

[SS454]

So Lewis has performed an analysis of our car's aerodynamics...

Christian Horner said it live on tv that he had instant data that he could do overlays of the competitors laps vs his car's laps. He noted how in Q1 Mercedes still had their PU's turned down. It's reasonable to assume that Mercedes has the same info available to them, and thus Lewis could see that Ferrari are slow on straights.

Plus considering every team with a Ferrari engine is down in performance significantly vs their 2019 car it clearly shows the Ferrari engine is horrendous.

[Kyss4k]

What happened between Toto Wolff and Mattia binotto? Never seen toto talking like that about anyone else.

Seems to me like he holds him as a liar, not telling the truth, that the time deficit is because of the engine and still talking about aerodynamics.

[Kyss4k]

According to AMuS Michael Schmidt: "From the environment in Maranello you can hear that the engine costs them half a second per lap."


The main PU components got frozen this year: ICE, turbo, MGU-H, fuel and oil. You can only modify the MGU-K, battery & electronics. The rest will be like this until the end of the 2021 season.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/ferrari-krise-oesterreuch-qualifying/

Here we go.. I knew I have read it somewhere, that the engines are frozen. So basically, if our engine is the problem after we got slapped with our "cheat", we can just turn off our TVs until the end of 2021... This is the end.

[SS454]

This may have been covered earlier, but did anyone else think Lewis' laps in Q3 may have been suspect?

It appeared his first lap was clearly exceeding track limits. Then his second lap should have been hindered by the yellow flags, yet he set a PB in s2. Lewis even admitted that Bottas' offtrack didn't hurt his lap.

Then conveniently the broadcast says they didn't have access to the onboard footage of Hamilton's laps.

[Kyss4k]

This may have been covered earlier, but did anyone else think Lewis' laps in Q3 may have been suspect?

It appeared his first lap was clearly exceeding track limits. Then his second lap should have been hindered by the yellow flags, yet he set a PB in s2. Lewis even admitted that Bottas' offtrack didn't hurt his lap.

Then conveniently the broadcast says they didn't have access to the onboard footage of Hamilton's laps.

He was brought to the stewards and they cleared him, saying there was a confusion about the flags. Yellow flags were waved but green lights were lit.

[SS454]

He was brought to the stewards and they cleared him, saying there was a confusion about the flags. Yellow flags were waved but green lights were lit.

Strange, as I think it was Ricciardo's onboard showed yellow lights flashing.

[Timpolidori]

Rumors are that Binotto will make way at the end of the year. It's thought that Claire Williams is being lined up as TP

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[PURE PASSION]

So last year people start calling us cheaters and we where laughing at them saying that they are just bitter from our performance. But sadly from Mexico we start losing this power supiriority we had adn we end up today with a pu builed under the new instructions and its the worst pu power wise. How can you confront all who say that we just cheated last year when all the data and results not just pointing to it but shouting it !!!!
SO now we look like the discrace of the padock not just with our rerformance but for our actions too !!!!!!:-s

[KimiBot]

Charles Leclerc: "It's not an easy qualifying for us. Unfortunately that's where we are at the moment.

"We need to stay positive in these moments that are very hard to find any positives. I think this is the way forward to work properly and to try and get out of these hard times.

"Yes it's difficult, but we need to work as a team and hopefully be as strong as possible tomorrow to try and cheer everyone up."

[Greig]

so what percentage of the time gap is due to our engine, in your estimation?

No idea, how about you take a guess at it?

[Greig]

Rumors are that Binotto will make way at the end of the year. It's thought that Claire Williams is being lined up as TP

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hahahahaha

[Cavallino]

Gains/losses for Austria qualifying vs 2019 times:

Racing Point -0.921
Williams -0.737
Renault -0.493
McLaren -0.473
AlphaTauri -0.360
Mercedes -0.323s
Red Bull +0.038
Haas +0.619
Ferrari +0.920
Alfa Romeo +1.119 #F1

I've thought about it more, and it absolutely has to be 100% the engine.

If it wasn't, and it was all drag, then we'd literally be better off bringing the SF90 to this race, and been right behind the soda company! And they would have known this from even Ferrari's computers.

I don't know what to feel anymore.

[darkchild]

Its clear that at least half of our deficit is in engine (which is insane) and since engine is frozen its over till 2021.

Binotto is gone. Unfortunately his positon was unatainable and he made his own bed. Toto is absolutely ****** at him lol

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari should come clean on fia finding.Whats obvious is that Ferrari have been caught doing something not in the spirit of f1.They had there wings clipped just enough to avoid disqualification last year.Since then they have gone to he'll in a hand basket.No f1 team has had a performance drop of this magnitude over such a short period of time.What is BINOTTO protecting appears to be a formula for developing lemons.

[Cavallino]

Here we go.. I knew I have read it somewhere, that the engines are frozen. So basically, if our engine is the problem after we got slapped with our "cheat", we can just turn off our TVs until the end of 2021... This is the end.

But why isn't this posted everywhere? Why isn't it on Formula One official site?

[KimiBot]

Mattia Binotto Team Principal

"There’s no point denying that was a disappointing qualifying session. We knew the start of the season would be difficult for us and today’s result certainly confirmed that to be the case, even more so than we had expected. We have to analyse very carefully every aspect of our performance and compare it to the opposition, trying to understand why there is this gap. Now, we will prepare as well as possible for tomorrow’s race, which will be tough with plenty of unknown factors, more so than usual, it being the first of this strange season. We will carry out our tasks to the best of our ability, trying to get everything out of the package we have here. It's pointless to predict where we might finish and we must just try and score as many points as possible.

[KimiBot]

So this is what Binotto has to say

1. We knew the start of the season would be difficult for us
2. We have to analyse very carefully
3. it being the first of this strange season.
4. we must just try and score as many points as possible.
5. trying to understand why there is this gap
.................................................. ........................................

1. Why start of the season would be difficult for us, we are Ferrari, we have every thing to build a great F1 car.
2. Yes, you keep saying that, and results are just getting worse
3. Strange season? Is that why we are slow?
4. Yeah, winning looks impossible so hopefully we get some points, but that is not what we want
5. If you do not know that, then you should do something else

Elkann still supporting this guy?

I am just angry and disappointed, hopefully some miracles in race, but not even Charles believe that would happen.

[vetalo]

Its clear that at least half of our deficit is in engine (which is insane) and since engine is frozen its over till 2021.

Binotto is gone. Unfortunately his positon was unatainable and he made his own bed. Toto is absolutely ****** at him lol

Ferrari sack him, Merc hires him and he will take with him all ferrari secret and he becomes Jame Allison all over again; giving all our secret away.

[KimiBot]

Ferrari sack him, Merc hires him and he will take with him all ferrari secret and he becomes Jame Allison all over again; giving all our secret away.

Yes, we do have so many secrets, biggest secret is that we are very slow, and I am sure Mercs would pay millions to Binotto just to get that secret.
Wake up man.

[Vittorio]

What the hell is going on with the anti-Italian sentiment here. Go follow other teams please Ferrari is and will be Italian. And I'd also like to mention that Britain has its set of problems to deal with ...

Amen.

It's incredible the amount of patronizing nonsense about Italy and Italian engineering there is on this forum.

Oh, and by the way, Britain was NOT the home of Formula 1. That's a ridiculous statement and clearly devoid of any real grasp of history that has been nicely perpetuated by British fans and the rabidly biased British media over the years. As the saying goes, "Tell a lie enough times..."

If anything, modern racing as we know it today had its roots more than 100 years ago not in Britain but in France.

[Vittorio]

Sorry but i strongly disagree with you.
World without different nations will led to an universal gender ( consumer ? ) without any kind of cultural differences.
i love Ferrari as a brand because it represents some sort of what we could call the italian genius.
Scuderia problems aren't related to italian mentality but to the fact they didn't have found the good leader.
Italian or not ( john barnard story wasn't the solution either ..)

Absolutely. Well said.

Thank you for that.

[Vittorio]

100% spot on. By staying in Italy Ferrari limit themselves to a pool of candidates from only inside Italy. None of the top engineers seem to want to move there. They are shooting themselves in the foot and it shows.



How in the world is it nationalistic? I was born in Ukraine, live in the US and have never been to Italy. The closest I’ve come is my wife’s grandfather being from Italy.

Stop being silly. Ferrari can have their F1 factory in England just fine. Look at Merc? Their F1 team is in England, they don’t make all their road cars there. Ferrari can remain and Italian team, headquartered in Maranello, Road car manufacturing in Maranello but the F1 factory in England where they have a vastly larger pool of engineering talent.

Spoken like only an American with zero grasp of history, culture and legacy.

Are you seriously stating that a team like Ferrari, with all its immense Italian heritage and ENORMOUS historic ties to the town of Maranello, must just up and leave and set up shop in Britain of all places?? Do you know NOTHING about what Ferrari is and what it has always been about?

Jesus, this place is populated by people who don't even care to know the history and culture of the very team they claim to support. Unbelievable.

[SS454]

Spoken like only an American with zero grasp of history, culture and legacy.

Are you seriously stating that a team like Ferrari, with all its immense Italian heritage and ENORMOUS historic ties to the town of Maranello, must just up and leave and set up shop in Britain of all places?? Do you know NOTHING about what Ferrari is and what it has always been about?

Jesus, this place is populated by people who don't even care to know the history and culture of the very team they claim to support. Unbelievable.

People can talk about the history and legacy of what Williams was, especially as a privateer team. And now they by far the worst team and at risk of closing the doors.

Ferrari has to adapt, if they don't, they could end up like Williams. Honestly they probably would have been mid fielders long ago, but Formula 1 gives Ferrari a LOT of extras that no other team is given. I would hate to see Ferrari move, but they should keep that option open. Ferrari should be looking to have the best people in every field, and I don't think the best of everything comes from Great Britain, so I believe they could bring in top quality people from all over the world to work in Italy.

[jgonzalesm6]

Oh, and by the way, Britain was NOT the home of Formula 1. That's a ridiculous statement and clearly devoid of any real grasp of history that has been nicely perpetuated by British fans and the rabidly biased British media over the years. As the saying goes, "Tell a lie enough times..."

If anything, modern racing as we know it today had its roots more than 100 years ago not in Britain but in France.


The first WORLD CHAMPAIONSHIP race, under the FIA, was held in Silverstone in 1950.

Oh sure, there were races before 1950.......all the way back to the 1920's and 1930's BUUUUUUT those races were NOT sanctioned by the FIA.

So technically speaking AND under the FIA, Silverstone or Great Britain was the first F1 race.

[jgonzalesm6]

Spoken like only an American with zero grasp of history, culture and legacy.

Are you seriously stating that a team like Ferrari, with all its immense Italian heritage and ENORMOUS historic ties to the town of Maranello, must just up and leave and set up shop in Britain of all places?? Do you know NOTHING about what Ferrari is and what it has always been about?

Jesus, this place is populated by people who don't even care to know the history and culture of the very team they claim to support. Unbelievable.


Ferrari automotive MUST remain in Maranello.....that's certain due to all the history and immense Italian heritage. Ferrari was established in 1929 but Enzo raced in Alfa Romeo's prior to Ferrari race cars.

Ferrari F1 needs a change of venue IMO. It needs to move to Great Britain with the right Technical Principal to lead an F1 team.....where most of the F1 teams are based.
Otherwise, it should just remain in Italy and just be satisfied with it's current form in F1 just so it can keep it's heritage and historic ties with the town of Maranello.

[WS6TransAm01]

Spoken like only an American with zero grasp of history, culture and legacy.

Are you seriously stating that a team like Ferrari, with all its immense Italian heritage and ENORMOUS historic ties to the town of Maranello, must just up and leave and set up shop in Britain of all places?? Do you know NOTHING about what Ferrari is and what it has always been about?

Jesus, this place is populated by people who don't even care to know the history and culture of the very team they claim to support. Unbelievable.

Stating that just because I am an American I don’t understand history is not only myopic but shows just as much distance as you accuse me of displaying.

It’s idiotic.

I understand history more than you may assume. This has nothing to do with history and everything to do with success.

There is a reason why certain industries gravitate to certain areas. For instance in the US a lot of the pharmaceutical industry is in New Jersey. As are flavor and fragrance industries. Literally every multinational flavor and fragrance company has a facility in NJ.

Most tech start ups are in Silicon Valley.

Most financial institutions are in NYC.

There is a reason for this.

Ferrari remaining in Maranello when most of the F1 industry is in England limits their recruiting potential. This has proven tragic for the last 12 years. They clearly lack talent and innovation. They lack something, clearly.

The F1 world moved forward and Ferrari stayed stagnant .

[jgonzalesm6]

. Ferrari should be looking to have the best people in every field, and I don't think the best of everything comes from Great Britain, so I believe they could bring in top quality people from all over the world to work in Italy.

Ferrari has tried this...bringing people from outside Italy to move to Maranello...or offering them lucrative deals to sway them to move....time and time again....but these people don't last with the Scuderia or don't want to move and end up working for other F1 teams in Great Britain.

[WS6TransAm01]

Ferrari has tried this...bringing people from outside Italy to move to Maranello...or offering them lucrative deals to sway them to move....time and time again....but these people don't last with the Scuderia or don't want to move and end up working for other F1 teams in Great Britain.

Effin aye

[FerrariF60]

Ferrari: 2020 car suited to Vettel's driving style
(https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-ferrari-la-rossa-2020-adatta-allo-stile-di-guida-di-vettel/4621370/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Maybe that's the main problem.

is that WHY he didn't even make it to Q3.....LMFAO

[Lesky]

What happened between Toto Wolff and Mattia binotto? Never seen toto talking like that about anyone else.

Toto has realized Binotto has been lying through his teeth about engine-gate the entire time, thats all.

[FerrariF60]

This car must be insanely draggy and NOT just down on power.
S1
P19 Vet 314
P20 Lec 314

Both Alfas fastest btw with 325km/h

[Brembo]

During all Bottas' pre season interviews he clearly said he's in it for the win WDC, there are no team orders. Lewis said the same, that he has to beat Bottas. Bottas takes pole !! Who's the ' Butler? " Just imagine if Binotto was in charge @ Merc! Meanwhile yeah, Max feels confident that yeah, he has a car that yeah, can compete and yeah, he's feeling good with the car. So yeah , his in the top WDC mix.

[crbassassin]

Ferrari has tried this...bringing people from outside Italy to move to Maranello...or offering them lucrative deals to sway them to move....time and time again....but these people don't last with the Scuderia or don't want to move and end up working for other F1 teams in Great Britain.

This is the reason why Newey didn't join Ferrari.

[chinmay]

This is the reason why Newey didn't join Ferrari.

As if Newey would have made any difference. SF70-H (2017) was not made by Newey and Newey hasn't made anything good at Red Bull either in these hybrid years.

[SS454]

Ferrari has tried this...bringing people from outside Italy to move to Maranello...or offering them lucrative deals to sway them to move....time and time again....but these people don't last with the Scuderia or don't want to move and end up working for other F1 teams in Great Britain.

Then perhaps moving is needed, though I am not sold it's just geography that is the problem. I suspect Ferrari has a very traditional and protected way of doing things their way, the Ferrari way. Outsiders come, they start to make an impact, and then they leave and do seem to great things elsewhere. At this point I bet people that are not Italian do not want to work at Ferrari because of the way they do things. Toyota did this, tons of micromanaging from the big wigs in Japan, and their F1 program was a giant flop. Ferrari could be headed that way if they don't change their thinking.

[SS454]

As if Newey would have made any difference. SF70-H (2017) was not made by Newey and Newey hasn't made anything good at Red Bull either in these hybrid years.

That is arguable. Chassis wise the RBR is among the best. It has been no secret the Renault engine wasn't great, and Honda is still behind.

[vcs316]

According to AMuS Michael Schmidt: "From the environment in Maranello you can hear that the engine costs them half a second per lap."


The main PU components got frozen this year: ICE, turbo, MGU-H, fuel and oil. You can only modify the MGU-K, battery & electronics. The rest will be like this until the end of the 2021 season.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/ferrari-krise-oesterreuch-qualifying/

Then it is time to watch the 15 min race highlights till the end of 2021 season. No point watching 90 mins of agony and misery :-s

[chinmay]

That is arguable. Chassis wise the RBR is among the best. It has been no secret the Renault engine wasn't great, and Honda is still behind.

When you say best, I believe you are talking about 3 teams - Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull. Among 3 teams, you might agree that Ferrari often had better chassis than Red Bull and Mercedes the best. In fact, Red Bull and the rest of the grid had to copy Ferrari's innovations from 2017. Most of the time, it's Mercedes who creates new solutions like the scoop, narrow front, bargeboards, rear wing solutions, DAS. Newey hasn't really done anything all these years.

Ferrari has got a variety of problems but talent isn't one of them.

[SS454]

When you say best, I believe you are talking about 3 teams - Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull. Among 3 teams, you might agree that Ferrari often had better chassis than Red Bull and Mercedes the best. In fact, Red Bull and the rest of the grid had to copy Ferrari's innovations from 2017. Most of the time, it's Mercedes who creates new solutions like the scoop, narrow front, bargeboards, rear wing solutions, DAS. Newey hasn't really done anything all these years.

Ferrari has got a variety of problems but talent isn't one of them.

On tracks that aren't horsepower dominant, RBR have been very strong. So while Mercedes have had the best chassis over the entire season, there are tracks where RBR was the best chassis. Red Bull's biggest disadvantage vs Merc and Ferrari is they haven't been able to design the PU packaging along with the chassis. Basically they are given the PU and then have to design the chassis around it.

While Ferrari has created some good concepts, particularly in the radiator inlet ducts and cooling, they seem to be followers when it comes to the Front wing and vortex generating bits. Ferrari aren't constantly well off Mercedes pace because of the drivers or the guys on the pit wall. They unfortunately had to run their PU outside the regulations, which seems to be worth upwards of 1 second a lap. Given how far they are off the pace right now, and have failed to produce a genuinely competitive car since 2008, I'd say the team is lacking talent in the designer department.

[Warp]

So what's the point to race in 2020/21 if our major issue is the engine and the development is frozen ?

I was supporting Binotto but he destroyed our reputation. Everyone is calling us cheaters and liars. This is terrible for our history.

If we had to change some major parts of our engine and we knew that we had a power deficit how did we agree with the engine development freeze? Nothing in this team make sense anymore.

[alfaromeo]

I am from Slovenia, in my opinion it is that Ferrari is Italy and Italy is Ferrari. As for the current form, I can only say that it is difficult to watch such a bad Ferrari. But that they cheated on the engine are not the only ones who have ever cheated even the mercedes was just the first to burn oil. Given the debate Italy v England, I personally would make the rule that a car must be made in that country where the brand originates without the possibility of an Englishman working at a Ferrari and vice versa. So Mercedes should work in Germany with the Germans, Ferrari in Italy, McLaren, Williams .... England, renault France, red Bull Austria. They would then see where the Italian engineers and Ferraris are. We would definitely be on top. It can’t happen, however, that a Ferrari would be in England, theoretically of course it’s possible with the F1 section but that’s not in the spirit of a Ferrari and I’d rather see a Ferrari in Italy in 5th place than it is in England. But I don’t know how Ferrari will get rid of this disastrous form this year and 2021 that I haven’t seen in 20 years.

[Ferrarichamp]

No idea, how about you take a guess at it?

No more than 50%, that's my guess.

[ChrisFerrari]

Thats what happens when you put an otherwise brillant mechanical engineer into a position which does not match his skillset. His little trick with the engine got caught and now he has to show team leading qualities which he obviously doesn't have. This team has turned into a caricature of its former self and its all down to politics inside the company. Heritage is an important part of life but efficiency is now different than it used to be. Until they realise that a new factory wont solve all the problems and axing leaders from time to time will lead to fear and inefficiency, this team is bound to suffer. History does repeat itself on some way, 2027 is not that far away. My first and last post of this season. See you around guys, in 2021.

[jpalmito]

Stating that just because I am an American I don’t understand history is not only myopic but shows just as much distance as you accuse me of displaying.

It’s idiotic.

I understand history more than you may assume. This has nothing to do with history and everything to do with success.

There is a reason why certain industries gravitate to certain areas. For instance in the US a lot of the pharmaceutical industry is in New Jersey. As are flavor and fragrance industries. Literally every multinational flavor and fragrance company has a facility in NJ.

Most tech start ups are in Silicon Valley.

Most financial institutions are in NYC.

There is a reason for this.

Ferrari remaining in Maranello when most of the F1 industry is in England limits their recruiting potential. This has proven tragic for the last 12 years. They clearly lack talent and innovation. They lack something, clearly.

The F1 world moved forward and Ferrari stayed stagnant .

the "motor valley" in italy, a place where we can find Ferrari Ducati Dallara Brembo Lamborghini Pagani Maserati isn't enough for you ?
And emilia is an awful place to live in for all those poor british enginneers ?
As a French Italy is the only other country in the world where i would like to live.

[JPZ]

Instead of relocating, Ferrari could set up an office/branch and research centre in the UK, as they did in the past. Some personal could then periodically travel to Maranello instead of having to permanently relocate.

Ferrari had something like this in the late 80's and early 90's but communication technology is far better now, with video calls and massive amounts of data which can be sent online. It would also cost considerably less.

If they see results, then they could consider expanding the branch in the UK.

[nani_s23]

I seriously don’t understand Mattia B,
He already fixed that vettel won’t be driving for 2021. So their sole focus should be on Leclerc. I got it.
But in what sense they have designed the car? It should suit to either of the driver. But both are struggling with the car.
This highlights the incapability of Mattia as a leader.
During winter testing, where he was giving a note to the media/press saying “we are not at merc/RB level”. I thought he’s just playing mind games just like toto. But in reality the car is not even at McLaren/RP.

Added to that, ferrari engine. Last year he was claiming nothing was wrong. Now it’s getting clear indication that ferrari were caught instead of disqualification, they came to an agreement.
Rivals teams are happy now, F1 racing fans are accusing ferrari.

As a TP he’s the one to take all this. Ferrari carries history in sport & all over the world. Doing such actions & bringing a remark to the team isn’t acceptable at any cost.

Hope he gets into proper act & get the team aligned properly with a good/strong car. Otherwise it’s better to accept the situation and resign from his roles & responsibilities.

[Lesky]

Hamilton passing the yellow flag from his car, in my opinion should be a penalty.

https://streamable.com/8qyog5

[nani_s23]

Hamilton passing the yellow flag from his car, in my opinion should be a penalty.

https://streamable.com/8qyog5

Will not, because he’s Hamilton.

[alfa84]

We cant afford to lose Binotto. Everybody speaks like we can find 100 A Neway in a second. Or even replace him with a click. This is like finding 100 Leo Messi. You cant find another like him. These people are not marketing guys who aren't hitting the targets. These are masterminds. If anybody think to understand and do a better job the door is open at Ferrari. Mattia has notthing to speak, the result is speaking itself. We dont know if it was Mattia or Sergio, Elchan or Arrivabene who took this decission (for the engine) a long time ago

[Ferrarichamp]

I hope Ferrari will be ready for a SC today, our only realistic chance.

[KimiBot]

Hamilton passing the yellow flag from his car, in my opinion should be a penalty.

https://streamable.com/8qyog5

there is a green light on the right side, so mixed signals, what to do

[Ferrarichamp]

didn't Ham also exceed track limits?

[Warp]

didn't Ham also exceed track limits?

Yes. His first laptime was deleted.

[Aziz]

It’s amazing what the Ferrari engine has done in the last year,” he joked, referencing the Scuderia’s decline in power-unit performance seemingly coinciding with the raising of suspicions in mid-late 2019 that it was breaching the 100kg/hour fuel-flow rate. HELMUT M.

We are a joke of the field, we hit the rock bottom

[chinmay]

I hope Ferrari will be ready for a SC today, our only realistic chance.

There is no chance. Suppose they run 1st after some outrageous luck, they will be sitting duck and McLarens and Racing Points will be passing right through.

That's to assume that they will remain unscathed at the start. Don't forget that both Ferrari drivers are smack in the middle of the grid and that's where accidents happen on lap one.

[chinmay]

Engine is now back to 2017 level and now will only be upgraded in 2022.

[Lesky]

there is a green light on the right side, so mixed signals, what to do

The green flag is when he has already passed the incident, so I dont see how that is a relevant. He should have lifted when he entered a cloud of dust with a yellow flag. Sets a dangerous precedent.

[JPZ]

Engine is now back to 2017 level and now will only be upgraded in 2022.

If no engine development is possible, then may as well not even watch next season.

With these rules, if a team starts dominant, they will stay dominant. This kills competition. And is killing what's left of a sport with an already shrinking number of viewers.

[jpalmito]

If no engine development is possible, then may as well not even watch next season.

With these rules, if a team starts dominant, they will stay dominant. This kills competition. And is killing what's left of a sport with an already shrinking number of viewers.

absolutely
F1 could not survive the next two years ( and rightfully so !)
people aren't enough stupid to pay 300€ tickets or pay television to see a sport without any kind of suspense!

Please Ferrari go back to Le Mans !

[Kyss4k]

absolutely
F1 could not survive the next two years ( and rightfully so !)
people aren't enough stupid to pay 300€ tickets or pay television to see a sport without any kind of suspense!

Please Ferrari go back to Le Mans !

Yea, screw F1 or Indy, just go LeMans series full time in both Hypercar class and GT class. That would be awesome.

[chinmay]

Formula 1 was supposed to be the pinnacle, in the name of cost cutting, they froze engine development for 2 years. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.

[JPZ]

absolutely
F1 could not survive the next two years ( and rightfully so !)
people aren't enough stupid to pay 300€ tickets or pay television to see a sport without any kind of suspense!

Please Ferrari go back to Le Mans !

In the early 2000's Ferrari were threatening to create a rival championship with other manufacturers, the 'Grand Prix World Championship'. This could still perhaps be an option.

F1 has lost 129 million viewers since 2008 and lost near 20 million viewers last year alone, despite having more international circuits.

Ferrari did say they are interested in competing in IndyCar as well, so that could be interesting.

[T99]

We cant afford to lose Binotto. Everybody speaks like we can find 100 A Neway in a second. Or even replace him with a click. This is like finding 100 Leo Messi. You cant find another like him. These people are not marketing guys who aren't hitting the targets. These are masterminds. If anybody think to understand and do a better job the door is open at Ferrari. Mattia has notthing to speak, the result is speaking itself. We dont know if it was Mattia or Sergio, Elchan or Arrivabene who took this decission (for the engine) a long time ago

We had James Alisson who is arguably better than Newey and we sent him to Mercedes.