AustrianGP 2020 Practices and Qualifying thread

[jgonzalesm6]

Under 4 hours to go

[jgonzalesm6]

F3 is wet currently

[jgonzalesm6]

track is drying up

[phsyklone]

any live links

[chinmay]

Mattia Binotto after P1


The situation on track was somehow as expected. Difficult for us, we are not as fast as we wish. We knew that from winter testing. The car is not performing as expected on track so the project somehow needed to be addressed and reviewed, which is something we started back at Maranello. We believe that it could be a difficult weekend here for us. P1 already showed it.

[Aziz]

Mattia Binotto after P1

I believe all of them should be fired, like Vet did. Just start form the beginning

[Kyss4k]

Mattia Binotto after P1

Yep, they all knew it... and yet we are the only team to not bring big upgrades. Makes sense, right?

[Aziz]

Yep, they all knew it... and yet we are the only team to not bring big upgrades. Makes sense, right?

Of course it makes sense, it's Ferrari mate, and FI will eat us alive not just RB and Merc, but FI.... Let that sink in

[Kyss4k]

Of course it makes sense, it's Ferrari mate, and FI will eat us alive not just RB and Merc, but FI

Being Ferrari used to mean something...

[Rishu]

Expected RB to be on the money, but even they seem to be struggling. I’m fearing this could become a really boring season

[chinmay]

Expected RB to be on the money, but even they seem to be struggling. I’m fearing this could become a really boring season

2016 is coming back to memory.

[Kyss4k]

The thing that bothers me the most is that we did let Lewis equal Michael with the 7th title...

[Lesky]

Expected RB to be on the money, but even they seem to be struggling. I’m fearing this could become a really boring season

2020 and 2021 will be Merc dominance. And same drivers:

Speaking to Sky Germany, he said: “We are in a tricky situation, we are very happy with our current line-up and would like to continue with it.

“But you can’t write off someone like Seb. Maybe a driver doesn’t want to continue anymore and then Seb quickly becomes a factor.

“We’ll see how things develop in the next few weeks, but I expect we’ll continue with Lewis and Valtteri.”
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And Toto wants the other teams to take it easy on DAS:

But while Wolff welcomes Horner’s call for clarification, he stressed that F1 needs to avoid controversy surrounding the result in Austria come Sunday with the sport already in a delicate state ahead of the season-opener.

“There was a lot of talking and exchange with the FIA. That is the reason why we have it on the car. So we will both bring our arguments forward and then let’s see,” he said.

“I think, against what you would expect, all teams are pretty much aware that we are in a sensitive situation with going racing.

“It’s the first race. I think on one side, it’s fair enough to seek clarification, on the other side we are aware that we don’t want to end up with a big debate on Sunday night. So I think Red Bull is going to take [and] Christian is going to take the right actions.

“Controversy and different judgement on engineering innovation has always been part of Formula 1. This is what’s to be expected in a way. It’s part of the racing.”

[jgonzalesm6]

IF Perez edges out the Ferrari's.........this will get embarrassing.

[h3ro]

The thing that bothers me the most is that we did let Lewis equal Michael with the 7th title...

"Let" implies he didn't earn it. Hamilton has earned his titles just like Michael did. Just like Fernando did. Just like Seb did. It's not fair to diminish his accomplishments because our team has faltered. We need to be fair and not become mean spirited fans, regardless of how the fans of other teams act.

[tifosi1993]

IF Perez edges out the Ferrari's.........this will get embarrassing.

Then we should ready ourselves, because the 2019 Mercedes looks to be the faster car. It looks even faster than the Red Bull.

[chinmay]

Then we should ready ourselves, because the 2019 Mercedes looks to be the faster car. It looks even faster than the Red Bull.

Horner says there is a lot more to come from them. Binotto says nothing can be done before Hungary.

[Kyss4k]

"Let" implies he didn't earn it. Hamilton has earned his titles just like Michael did. Just like Fernando did. Just like Seb did. It's not fair to diminish his accomplishments because our team has faltered. We need to be fair and not become mean spirited fans, regardless of how the fans of other teams act.

I say "let" because as the team with the highest budget, the only other team building the whole car, the team with the big T, we weren't able to built a car, which would be able to beat Mercedes since 2014. Not even once. He deserves the titles as everyone else, but we just went out of their and his way.

[PURE PASSION]

“What we are trying to do now is simply to step back, try to understand, reassess the problem and move forward later on.

“Our hope is to bring some developments already in Hungary, nothing before. And hopefully by Hungary, we will not address all our issues, but we will have a definite step forward in our performance. I think by then, we can understand where we are compared to our main competitors.”
So Hungary update isnt gonna put us on the top,or fighting for the top !!!!!!!!

[Kyss4k]

So Hungary update isnt gonna put us on the top,or fighting for the top !!!!!!!!

They had just 4 months to understand the data from the tests... Seams like they all just took a vacation, while the other teams did work even during the pandemy, be it from home, online, or otherwise.

[Rishu]

If a car is born bad, no matter how much you improve, it will always be behind. 2012 is an exception that comes to my mind which was combination of good development and a driver having best season of his life, but it doesn’t happen too often. We knew from winter testing Mercedes have a beast in their hand, I was hoping we are close and secretly I thought Max can challenge a title bid. We have watched only two practice seasons, too early to jump to conclusions but things not looking promising

[Aziz]

So Hungary update isnt gonna put us on the top,or fighting for the top !!!!!!!!

Incompetence at highest level

[Tony]

Some of you guys are really mad... it's just a sport... if it brings so much anger and frustration into your lives, maybe it's time to disconnect and focus on other priorities...

We've seen the same pattern from Ferrari for a while, there's nothing we can do about it as fans, it wont change anything... they still make a ton of money of their road cars and they invest it into F1 which is still a profitable operation. In a way, I think the guaranteed amounts they get paid makes it harder for them to really compete, because they always have a safety net... I'm more of a sink or swim kind of guy...

[Lesky]

It was always clear Merc would dominate the 2020 season, unfortunately the corona made sure Merc will breeze to the 2021 title as well. At least we have glimmer of hope for 2022!

[KimiBot]

Well..Binotto can not blame Arrivabene anymore, so.. hopefully better tomorrow.

[jgonzalesm6]

Binotto wondered how Mercedes came up with upgrades in this 63 day "shutdown" due to the COVID-19.

All I can say is, Mercedes did'nt go home and eat pasta and drink vino for 60+ days.

Merc camp have always been on a different level since 2014.....they are relentless and never rest on their laurels.

[ferrari1.8t]

Binotto wondered how Mercedes came up with upgrades in this 63 day "shutdown" due to the COVID-19.

All I can say is, Mercedes did'nt go home and eat pasta and drink vino for 60+ days.

Merc camp have always been on a different level since 2014.....they are relentless and never rest on their laurels.

Funny how you can say that and it’s not deemed racist. Make the same comments about any other people and things would be different. As an Italian, I can assure you that we do more than eat pasta and drink wine.

[chinmay]

Binotto wondered how Mercedes came up with upgrades in this 63 day "shutdown" due to the COVID-19.

All I can say is, Mercedes did'nt go home and eat pasta and drink vino for 60+ days.

Merc camp have always been on a different level since 2014.....they are relentless and never rest on their laurels.

Mercedes did pretty well in 2013 too, 9 poles and 3 wins.

[jgonzalesm6]

Star Wars Imperial March theme subbed with the W11

https://twitter.com/TroIISports/status/1279055920673112064

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes did pretty well in 2013 too, 9 poles and 3 wins.

yeah......but this hybrid era has been dominant in all aspects.

[FerrariF60]

I was still hoping for a BiG bluff from Ferrari all this time, playing it all down and then come quali and race, boom come out on top....but after watching the car on track in FP2....,man we’re really that slow....we must have a Vespa engine in there....

[tifosi1993]

Well...I think the current SF1000 still an upgrade over last years SF90. Nearly 9-11 kph down on the straights, but much faster through the corners.
I also think tomorrow will be better, no pole position, but closer to Mercedes.

[Cavallino]

There is no way we are that far down on top speed guys. There is more pace in that package to come.

[Jax]

Here this should make some of you happy :)

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[Jax]

in other words we should at least do much better in tire management !

[Jax]

here we go https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-lodges-protest-against-mercedes-das/4824313/?utm_source=home-page-widget&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=widget-22 :D

[FerrariF60]

There is no way we are that far down on top speed guys. There is more pace in that package to come.

Well I too was thinking the same, but ever since ou wings got clipped last year due to the tricks we were cheating with in Qualy by tricking the fuel flow sensor....ever since the FIA added extra sensors, all of a sudden our top speed which we used to be KING at.....well it disappeared

[FerrariF60]

here we go https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-lodges-protest-against-mercedes-das/4824313/?utm_source=home-page-widget&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=widget-22 :D


Sadly the MIA won’t do nothing....because, we’ll its Merced3s

[Cavallino]

Well I too was thinking the same, but ever since ou wings got clipped last year due to the tricks we were cheating with in Qualy by tricking the fuel flow sensor....ever since the FIA added extra sensors, all of a sudden our top speed which we used to be KING at.....well it disappeared

Yeah, but there is no way we have a slower top speed than Alfa.

[Jax]

Well I too was thinking the same, but ever since ou wings got clipped last year due to the tricks we were cheating with in Qualy by tricking the fuel flow sensor....ever since the FIA added extra sensors, all of a sudden our top speed which we used to be KING at.....well it disappeared

Funny how you call this cheating while it's merely exploiting a loop hole, what's even funnier is that you cry when Ferrari is not pushing the the rules enough for you !

Hey it's 2020 the year of weird things what do i know !!!!!

[chinmay]

Yeah, but there is no way we have a slower top speed than Alfa.

Don't be so sure. Williams used to have the best top speed till 2016. Force India was pretty handy too.

[Cavallino]

Don't be so sure. Williams used to have the best top speed till 2016. Force India was pretty handy too.

True, i do remember that.

[ferras]

Here this should make some of you happy :)

7692

I see more speed in the corners. That's not bad.

[chinmay]

No engine upgrades for Ferrari and Renault in 2020.

[Aziz]

No engine upgrades for Ferrari and Renault in 2020.

Da fak!!! One spec seson

[PURE PASSION]

No engine upgrades for Ferrari and Renault in 2020.
I read it for Renault but not for Ferrari, any source ??
Here is for Renault : https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renault-no-engine-updates-2020/4824059/?utm_source=home-page-widget&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=widget-1

[Cavallino]

Binotto has also revealed that Ferrari hasn't upgraded its 2020 power unit since Melbourne in March.

"We've got the same engine we had at the time in Australia," he said. "We shut down the factory for a long time, so there was very little time to develop. We didn't bring anything different. Now the power unit is frozen for the season.

"I know that other manufacturers had the opportunity to continue working and developing. We were aware of that, they took advantage, that's part of the game. That's part of all the entire compromises we have accepted during the shutdown period, looking ahead for the good of the sport."

[wisepie]

Did we run the soft tyres in FP1/2, I only saw some of it and we appeared to be on the mediums, can anyone clarify....grazie. Whatever the reason, we are just not quick enough, as expected.:roll

[Cavallino]

Did we run the soft tyres in FP1/2, I only saw some of it and we appeared to be on the mediums, can anyone clarify....grazie. Whatever the reason, we are just not quick enough, as expected.:roll

Yes, the fastest times were on the softs in FP2. They did not run soft to my knowledge in FP1.

[ferras]

Did we run the soft tyres in FP1/2, I only saw some of it and we appeared to be on the mediums, can anyone clarify....grazie. Whatever the reason, we are just not quick enough, as expected.:roll

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcAo4lyXYAEIyeJ?format=png&name=900x900

[nani_s23]

Well..Binotto can not blame Arrivabene anymore, so.. hopefully better tomorrow.

This is expected .... everytime they release the car & say “hope this year we can be competitive”
But when on track it’s different “we need to understand the car”....

[nani_s23]

Does he think others will sit idle & waiting for the race to start?

[wisepie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcAo4lyXYAEIyeJ?format=png&name=900x900

Thanks ferras, I got a bit confused with the hards and mediums, I only saw Seb running on hards and didn't see Charles at all, but had to miss most of the coverage. 10-12th in FP1 and 4-9th in FP2 is not as bad as I'd feared but still far from encouraging.

[wisepie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcAo4lyXYAEIyeJ?format=png&name=900x900

Thanks ferras, I got a bit confused with the hards and mediums, I only saw Seb running on hards and didn't see Charles at all, but had to miss most of the coverage. 10-12th in FP1 and 4-9th in FP2 is not as bad as I'd feared but still far from encouraging.

[PURE PASSION]

Vettel: I did not celebrate my birthday, I went to bed early last night so that I am fit for today. It was a productive day, no problems. Regarding the speed we are a bit behind, it‘s very close. We're somewhere in the chasing pack/midfield. Tomorrow will be a big day.
Did i just read MIDFIELD ????!!!!!!!!!:-E:-s:doh

[chinmay]

Did i just read MIDFIELD ????!!!!!!!!!:-E:-s:doh

The track is short so the gap among teams is smaller, few tenths will separate many teams but I expect Vettel and Leclerc to edge out the Racing Points.

[PURE PASSION]

Vettel: Mercedes are in their own league, Red Bull is difficult to understand at the moment, I don't think they showed everything. Racing Point is a surprise, also the consistency & then the group with us, McLaren, Renault will be interesting in qualifying where everyone will be.
So Vet place us 4th to 6th !!!!

[ferras]

Did i just read MIDFIELD ????!!!!!!!!!:-E:-s:doh

How long have you been watching F1? On Fridays, he was almost always like that. Good old Seb :)))

[PURE PASSION]

How long have you been watching F1? On Fridays, he was almost always like that. Good old Seb :)))
Not much,just since '85-'86!!!
And NO he never said that will compete with midfield teams !!!!!!

[JPZ]

Did i just read MIDFIELD ????!!!!!!!!!:-E:-s:doh

Obviously just trying to out-psych the competition! :lol

[ferras]

Not much,just since '85-'86!!!
And NO he never said that will compete with midfield teams !!!!!!

So, you just didn’t listen to him. He always likes to say "today we are here and there, but we will see how it will be tomorrow". He just doesn’t talk too much about how it really is. Especially on Fridays.

[PURE PASSION]

So, you just didn’t listen to him. He always likes to say "today we are here and there, but we will see how it will be tomorrow". He just doesn’t talk too much about how it really is. Especially on Fridays.
As i said ,i now the general dowplay attitude,BUT this is the 1st time that he actyally put us in the midfield teams !!!!!!

[gjoko-mkd]

We have a good speed in a slow corners, but very poor top speed...

https://www.formulapassion.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/SKY_AUSTRIA20_FP2_FP_VET_HAM.jpg

https://www.formulapassion.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/SKY_AUSTRIA20_FP2_FP_VET_PER.jpg

and to last year car
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcAhrdTWsAIIyN-?format=jpg&name=large

[nani_s23]

Did i just read MIDFIELD ????!!!!!!!!!:-E:-s:doh

So funny he come we are fighting with mid field teams. Glad that it’s a short season now.
Else I couldn’t see this hammering.

[nani_s23]

As i said ,i now the general dowplay attitude,BUT this is the 1st time that he actyally put us in the midfield teams !!!!!!

Exactly ...!!

[Kyss4k]

Wow... so they really didn't do anything during those 3,5 months... this is not a team that wants to win. Welcome to Ferrari midfield again.

[Greig]

Wow... so they really didn't do anything during those 3,5 months... this is not a team that wants to win. Welcome to Ferrari midfield again.

Bit ignorant considering how badly Italy was affected.....but off course 1 second in a F1 race comes before a team members health.....

If you can design a new F1 car in 60 odd days then by all means you need to apply to many of the teams.

[tifosi1993]

"I know that other manufacturers had the opportunity to continue working and developing. We were aware of that, they took advantage, that's part of the game. That's part of all the entire compromises we have accepted during the shutdown period, looking ahead for the good of the sport."

Now this is extremely disappointing. I really hoped that the new management would ditch the whole "good for the sport" mentality, and adopt "best for Ferrari" approach.

So now you're telling me that due to the entirely unavoidable and beyond-human-control situation, Ferrari are not allowed to upgrade the PU. I mean what kind of ******* reasoning is this, it's not Ferrari's fault that Italy was hit hard by the virus. Come on...where is the ******* common sense? And why on earth Ferrari would agreed to something like that, for ***** sake.

With such loser mentality, they're not gonna win anything. I mean why the hell they even showed up in Austria, it would've been much better if they simply stayed home. No need to play unnecessary gamble with the lives of your mechanics and drivers.

I guess this team is really doomed, ever since LDM's purge and the whole "Italianization", they have pretty much lost the way. And now they've admitted defeat even before this season fully started...just pathetic.

[ferras]

As i said ,i now the general dowplay attitude,BUT this is the 1st time that he actyally put us in the midfield teams !!!!!!

But he said "today". Many times he compare Ferrari with midfield teams in some way. Nothing new and nothing bad in his talk. Yes, if it’s true, it’s very bad, but i personally don’t believe it. I can tell you why, but i’m tired of these speculations year after year. Not worth my time.

[paolo lalli]

It's all said when a 2019 pink mercedes of racing point is faster and better planted then the current S F 1000 Ferrari s = scuderia F = failure back to the class room gents pronto.

[tifosi1993]

Wow... so they really didn't do anything during those 3,5 months... this is not a team that wants to win. Welcome to Ferrari midfield again.

I can easily understand the lack of aero upgrades. I mean the situation was pretty dire in Italy, you can't expect people to work under such situation.

But what I can't understand, is them agreeing to not upgrade the PU for the entirety of 2020. So yeah you're pretty much right...this is not the Ferrari of Brawn-Todt era, they lack that ruthless win at all cost mentality.

[ferras]

Has anyone heard the sound of a Ferrari engine? Sounds different to me. In some cases, more like Honda :Hmm

[PURE PASSION]

Has anyone heard the sound of a Ferrari engine? Sounds different to me. In some cases, more like Honda :Hmm

Τhey might have repositioned the microphone

[PURE PASSION]

With Vettel and Leclerc admitting that Ferrari won't be in the fight for a podium etc and Vettel saying they could be in the midfield. It begs the question - What on earth did Ferrari do between Abu Dhabi and Pre-season testing? Damn!
I read it somewhere and dont now the source BUT pretty much summerize what we keep saying !!! We dont speek about the time after the tests and with the lockdown to elliminate the time to react,BUT what they did from last year till the tests ????!!!!!!!

[PURE PASSION]

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[stefa]

Some of you guys are really mad... it's just a sport... if it brings so much anger and frustration into your lives, maybe it's time to disconnect and focus on other priorities...

We've seen the same pattern from Ferrari for a while, there's nothing we can do about it as fans, it wont change anything... they still make a ton of money of their road cars and they invest it into F1 which is still a profitable operation. In a way, I think the guaranteed amounts they get paid makes it harder for them to really compete, because they always have a safety net... I'm more of a sink or swim kind of guy...

Exactly what I've done couple of years ago. Now I am not bothering to get upset. I am like teflon. Every bad thing just slip and I go along! No point getting upset over them. They are payed millions, no matter of result! So why should I be upset?!?!?

[Kyss4k]

Bit ignorant considering how badly Italy was affected.....but off course 1 second in a F1 race comes before a team members health.....

If you can design a new F1 car in 60 odd days then by all means you need to apply to many of the teams.

Wait... so they could not work from home? Italy was affected badly at the start, but it recovered really quickly. They had the time. They did not use it. I had to work during the whole pandemy and not from home, I was in contact with hundreds of people every single day. So yeah, don't call me ignorant please...

[Warp]

Wait... so they could not work from home? Italy was affected badly at the start, but it recovered really quickly. They had the time. They did not use it. I had to work during the whole pandemy and not from home, I was in contact with hundreds of people every single day. So yeah, don't call me ignorant please...

The World Motor Sport Council have now ratified another extension, taking the total shutdown period to 63 days.

The shutdown means departments such as design, research and development, production and build must down tools. But on Tuesday, the FIA said that after 50 days of the shutdown, teams can use up to a maximum of 10 personnel “to work remotely on long lead time projects”.

The shutdown period for power unit manufacturers has also been extended, from 35 to 49 consecutive days. They are allowed to have a maximum of 10 personnel working remotely on long lead time projects after 36 days have expired.

All teams must formally apply to use the 10 staff in this way and receive approval before they can start work.

[Kyss4k]

The World Motor Sport Council have now ratified another extension, taking the total shutdown period to 63 days.

The shutdown means departments such as design, research and development, production and build must down tools. But on Tuesday, the FIA said that after 50 days of the shutdown, teams can use up to a maximum of 10 personnel “to work remotely on long lead time projects”.

The shutdown period for power unit manufacturers has also been extended, from 35 to 49 consecutive days. They are allowed to have a maximum of 10 personnel working remotely on long lead time projects after 36 days have expired.

All teams must formally apply to use the 10 staff in this way and receive approval before they can start work.

This is the mandatory ban, I understand. But the others managed to work after, or have found a way to work even during the ban, I have no idea... What we know is, that they did, while we didn't. That's what is infuriating to me.

[Greig]

Wait... so they could not work from home? Italy was affected badly at the start, but it recovered really quickly. They had the time. They did not use it. I had to work during the whole pandemy and not from home, I was in contact with hundreds of people every single day. So yeah, don't call me ignorant please...

And you are in Italy? As I said don't be ignorant.

[Greig]

This is the mandatory ban, I understand. But the others managed to work after, or have found a way to work even during the ban, I have no idea... What we know is, that they did, while we didn't. That's what is infuriating to me.

We worked, our work was not to develop this current chassis, but to go back and start again with a redesign. Perhaps you would rather we just developed a car that will never be good?

[PURE PASSION]

Vettel: Ferrari too draggy, lacking grip and downforce

[Warp]

This is the mandatory ban, I understand. But the others managed to work after, or have found a way to work even during the ban, I have no idea... What we know is, that they did, while we didn't. That's what is infuriating to me.

Probably they figured out they couldn't do much with that chassis and they were working on a new car. We'll know in a few races. But kinda agree wit you, we're a top team and if we're fighting with midfield teams its disgrace for us.

[Tony]

Funny how you can say that and it’s not deemed racist. Make the same comments about any other people and things would be different. As an Italian, I can assure you that we do more than eat pasta and drink wine.

Been living my whole life with that same double standard... luckily i developed a thick skin..

[Tony]

Exactly what I've done couple of years ago. Now I am not bothering to get upset. I am like teflon. Every bad thing just slip and I go along! No point getting upset over them. They are payed millions, no matter of result! So why should I be upset?!?!?

:thumb

[Kyss4k]

And you are in Italy? As I said don't be ignorant.

It is you, who is being ignorant mate. You don't know nothing about where I worked. I know about how bad it was in Italy... What if I tell you, I live and work in part of the country, that was hit the hardest for a period of time, was totally closed from the outside, we had be constatnly in gloves, shields, masks, be like that for a whole days long, we coulnd't even go to buy food as the shops were open only during the time, when we worked, as the work I do can not be stopped and even when the company did cut the costs and I had to send some of my people home to care of their kids, we had to manage.

Binotto said, we are racing with basically the same car as we had in testing. Merc and RB at least have some serious upgrades. If you are ok with that, fine.

[Kyss4k]

We worked, our work was not to develop this current chassis, but to go back and start again with a redesign. Perhaps you would rather we just developed a car that will never be good?

I will believe that when I see it. Or is there some official statement saying it? If yes, then I will apologise as I missed that.

[Greig]

It is you, who is being ignorant mate. You don't know nothing about where I worked. I know about how bad it was in Italy... What if I tell you, I live and work in part of the country, that was hit the hardest for a period of time, was totally closed from the outside, we had be constatnly in gloves, shields, masks, be like that for a whole days long, we coulnd't even go to buy food as the shops were open only during the time, when we worked, as the work I do can not be stopped and even when the company did cut the costs and I had to send some of my people home to care of their kids, we had to manage.

Binotto said, we are racing with basically the same car as we had in testing. Merc and RB at least have some serious upgrades. If you are ok with that, fine.

Yes some have kept working such as myself, other things like making racing cars are not essential stuff so they got to protect themselves more. Although Ferrari did I am sure make lots of ventelators but I guess you would rather they made a new front wing instead.....

[Greig]

I will believe that when I see it. Or is there some official statement saying it? If yes, then I will apologise as I missed that.

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29388112/no-ferrari-upgrades-austria-team-targets-hungary-major-aero-update

[JPZ]

It is you, who is being ignorant mate. You don't know nothing about where I worked. I know about how bad it was in Italy... What if I tell you, I live and work in part of the country, that was hit the hardest for a period of time, was totally closed from the outside, we had be constatnly in gloves, shields, masks, be like that for a whole days long, we coulnd't even go to buy food as the shops were open only during the time, when we worked, as the work I do can not be stopped and even when the company did cut the costs and I had to send some of my people home to care of their kids, we had to manage.

Binotto said, we are racing with basically the same car as we had in testing. Merc and RB at least have some serious upgrades. If you are ok with that, fine.

Why do they have no upgrades?

[JPZ]

''Vettel: Ferrari too draggy, lacking grip and downforce''

And the new design direction was supposed to address those issues....

[Kyss4k]

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29388112/no-ferrari-upgrades-austria-team-targets-hungary-major-aero-update

"It would have been counterproductive to continue in the direction we had planned, knowing that we would not have reached our goals. Therefore, we decided to come up with a new programme that looked at the whole car, knowing that not all of it would be ready for the first race. Our aim is to introduce the updates at the third race on 19 July at the Hungaroring"

This is what I wanted. Thanks. If that is true and this big package will not just be just the front and rear wing, than I am happy for them fighting.

[PURE PASSION]

Binotto tells #AMuS: Our car did not work as the designers expected. There were problems with the correlation of the wind tunnel data and the track. The downforce was not stable enough, so we took a step back first and then took a step forward."
Binotto: "The upgrade in Hungary won't solve all of our problems yet. Nothing more was possible in the limited time. " #AMuS
i thought we have a new tunnel for exact this reason,to have a good correlation data-track,and it still give us false data ????!!!!
Is something really works ???????????

[WS6TransAm01]

Binotto wondered how Mercedes came up with upgrades in this 63 day "shutdown" due to the COVID-19.

All I can say is, Mercedes did'nt go home and eat pasta and drink vino for 60+ days.

Merc camp have always been on a different level since 2014.....they are relentless and never rest on their laurels.

That's exactly what I think happened.


Funny how you can say that and it’s not deemed racist. Make the same comments about any other people and things would be different. As an Italian, I can assure you that we do more than eat pasta and drink wine.

Italian isn't a race, and didn't you know, based on the new revised definition, it can only apply to minorities or marginalized groups. Don't you love PC/SJW culture? Italians are a marginalized group, so you can say anything you want about them and it it's racist.

[FerrariF60]

Not much,just since '85-'86!!!
And NO he never said that will compete with midfield teams !!!!!!

BIG BLUFF MATE....wait till quali, we'll all be surprised by our speed

[FerrariF60]

Wow... so they really didn't do anything during those 3,5 months... this is not a team that wants to win. Welcome to Ferrari midfield again.

maybe they were banking OR hoping that the WHOLE season would be cancelled....so they could have taken their time working at their own snail pace getting ready for 2021.....well joke's on them, the season has been starting and they got caught with their pants around the ankles.....LOL

[KimiBot]

“It feels good to be back in the car, but on the other hand it’s not a great day for us,” said Leclerc. “Probably even worse than we expected. Lots of cars are very close which is exciting to see on one hand, but on the other hand we would like to be fighting a bit more up in the standings, so we need to work quite hard for tomorrow and we’ll see how it goes.”

[jgonzalesm6]

The RedBull protest against Mercedes DAS has been rejected.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcCSEP2XQAYRMJk?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcCSGv5XQAIDhvu?format=jpg&name=large

[crbassassin]

That's exactly what I think happened.



Italian isn't a race, and didn't you know, based on the new revised definition, it can only apply to minorities or marginalized groups. Don't you love PC/SJW culture? Italians are a marginalized group, so you can say anything you want about them and it it's racist.

Would it be acceptable if the "racist" quote is from a white person, or an italian???

[crbassassin]

The RedBull protest against Mercedes DAS has been rejected.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcCSEP2XQAYRMJk?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcCSGv5XQAIDhvu?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.racefans.net/2020/07/03/red-bulls-protest-against-mercedes-rejected-by-stewards/

Look at the amount of transparency the FIA provided.

[paolo lalli]

Mercedes will grind all completion into the tarmac they are a complete domination machine it's the German way.Destroy the opposition and leave them crying and beaten badly.Mercedes look forward to doing it week in week out.Ferrari must learn from the school of hard knocks barring a miricle with plan B car the year points to mercedes running away with titles and all others crying in there pasta or soup.

[Brembo]

Lewis for sure fits the description of complete driver , team domination. He is ,not will be the GOAT even with a short season it looks like he will destroy the opposition. What ever happened to Seb with regards to 'It's the " German way?" He was up as a German 4x winner. It turns out F-1 has a "GREAT BRIT ", as the one to destroy all opposition. Lewis , Charles, Max, Germany where are you?

[tifosi1993]

Mercedes will grind all completion into the tarmac they are a complete domination machine it's the German way.Destroy the opposition and leave them crying and beaten badly.Mercedes look forward to doing it week in week out.Ferrari must learn from the school of hard knocks barring a miricle with plan B car the year points to mercedes running away with titles and all others crying in there pasta or soup.

Yeah well...Mercedes aka "Brackley" is as much German as Man UTD is American. The current owners of Brackley are German, but 99% of their entire workforce is British. Just like Red Bull aka Milton Keynes, on paper they're Austrian, but in reality they are pretty much British team. Ferrari on the other hand is true Italian, based on Italy, owned by Italians and 99% of the workforce are from Italy.

The current Mercedes success has nothing to with the "German way", they're just taking advantage of a particular work system laid down by Ross Brawn. Just like Ferrari did back in 2000's. But unlike Ferrari, Brackley isn't riddled with nationalist politics and identity culture. They don't care who's leading them, or the nationality of the leader, they only care about the result.

I think Ferrari would become much more effective and efficient, if they take the main F1-base outside of Italy.

[tifosi1993]

''Vettel: Ferrari too draggy, lacking grip and downforce''

And the new design direction was supposed to address those issues....

The same old correlation issues. And I do wonder, how many times are they gonna suffer from this wind tunnel correlation?
Maybe ditch all the fancy and useless Car launch ceremony, and pour more money into wind tunnel and employing the right people.

[paolo lalli]

Untill Ferrari remove the jobs for the boys policy they will continue to look at the back of a mercedes simple as that they need to break that policy.ASAP.

[nhiepka]

Dont blame others, we should blame Binotto, and Ferrari board that has been horriable about management now. Binotto should step down, he remove all good things (2017-2018) from Mr.MA. Over all dont blame our drivers. All is enough, Binotto should go home, get back MA please.

[Vittorio]

Mercedes will grind all completion into the tarmac they are a complete domination machine it's the German way.Destroy the opposition and leave them crying and beaten badly.Mercedes look forward to doing it week in week out.Ferrari must learn from the school of hard knocks barring a miricle with plan B car the year points to mercedes running away with titles and all others crying in there pasta or soup.

Which begs the question: when exactly was the last time that Germany 'destroyed the opposition' by, say, winning a war? Hmmmm...:Hmm

And to keep my point more contemporary and business-oriented, shall we add the names Volkswagen, Deutsche Bank and now Lufthansa and Wirecard to the mix? Hardly shining examples of German invincibility, are they?

I think it's time we stop with this quasi-fetishistic cliche that Germans are somehow superhuman and just so relentlessly brilliant at everything they do, with the constant implication that Italians are, conversely, lazy, overly emotional and inept. It's getting really rather tired.

Thank you! :-):wave:wave

[Ferrarichamp]

I would say Italians are better when it comes to individual brilliance, whereas Germans work better in groups, generally speaking.

[Vittorio]

Yeah well...Mercedes aka "Brackley" is as much German as Man UTD is American. The current owners of Brackley are German, but 99% of their entire workforce is British. Just like Red Bull aka Milton Keynes, on paper they're Austrian, but in reality they are pretty much British team. Ferrari on the other hand is true Italian, based on Italy, owned by Italians and 99% of the workforce are from Italy.

The current Mercedes success has nothing to with the "German way", they're just taking advantage of a particular work system laid down by Ross Brawn. Just like Ferrari did back in 2000's. But unlike Ferrari, Brackley isn't riddled with nationalist politics and identity culture. They don't care who's leading them, or the nationality of the leader, they only care about the result.

I think Ferrari would become much more effective and efficient, if they take the main F1-base outside of Italy.

The current Mercedes success has nothing to with the "German way", they're just taking advantage of a particular work system laid down by Ross Brawn. Just like Ferrari did back in 2000's. But unlike Ferrari, Brackley isn't riddled with nationalist politics and identity culture. They don't care who's leading them, or the nationality of the leader, they only care about the result.

I think Ferrari would become much more effective and efficient, if they take the main F1-base outside of Italy.[/QUOTE]

And here we go again. More pontificating nonsense extolling the virtues of British teams over the ineptitude of Ferrari because...oh, that's right, because they're Italian!!! Shucks, why didn't I think of that?!

That's JUST what Ferrari needs - to become just another soulless Anglo-Saxon corporation so that it can get down to the gritty business of winning. Uh huh. Gotcha!

Did any of you who keep sprouting this anti-Italian nonsense ever stop to think that perhaps Ferrari has fostered a passion for the team UNLIKE ANY OTHER F1 TEAM precisely because of it being an Italian team, with all the emotion, madness and, yes, frustration that goes with it? You take Ferrari out of Italy and its arrivederci to all that, ragazzi.

Oh, and need I remind our English tifosi across La Manche that at least Italy has kept most of its iconic luxury brands, which is more than can be said for the UK. Yeah, I know, the truth is a bummer, huh. :-)

No one is denying that Ferrari is (once again) staring into the abyss of mismanagement and a poor corporate culture. But can we please kindly stop with the facile crap that it's ALL because they're a bunch of lazy, vino-swilling, pasta-guzzling, over-emotional Italians. Oh, and don't forget corrupt, of course. Because everyone knows only Italians know how to be corrupt - never, ever those so-perfect English or Germans. Heaven forbid!

So, let's call out the team on the individuals and the management and all the other things that actually can be changed for the better, okay. And let's just stop with the anti-Italian vitriol. I'm frankly sick and tired of it, as I'm sure many others are too.

Grazie! :wave :wave

[JPZ]

Why was Maurizio Arrivabene even fired? The Team was improving under his leadership, was it not?

[JPZ]

I can easily understand the lack of aero upgrades. I mean the situation was pretty dire in Italy, you can't expect people to work under such situation.

But what I can't understand, is them agreeing to not upgrade the PU for the entirety of 2020. So yeah you're pretty much right...this is not the Ferrari of Brawn-Todt era, they lack that ruthless win at all cost mentality.

Surely they could still work at home with computer simulations and conference call etc.?

[Warp]

Why was Maurizio Arrivabene even fired? The Team was improving under his leadership, was it not?


Arrivabene had nothing to do with that. He was Marchionne's pawn.

[tifosi1993]

Red flag. Setors:

Hamilton 16.499-29.118-19.486
Vettel 16.655-28.861-19.569 (softs)
Leclerc 16.666-29.025-19.607 (softs)
Ricciardo 16.483-29.087-19.783 (softs)
Bottas 16.505-28.988-19.790
Verstappen 16.561-29.103-19.750

[458 Italia]

Turned the television on and was happily surprised when I saw the times, less so now knowing we did our laps on softs and the mercs were running the mediums :-??

[tifosi1993]

Car looks so much stable in sector 2 and 3, but now we're lacking top speed.

That to me indicates that, we have lost our super qualifying mode.

[Aziz]

Turned the television on and was happily surprised when I saw the times, less so now knowing we did our laps on softs and the mercs were running the mediums :-??

We look fast in slow corners but lack straight line speed, probably FIA engine restrictions.But hey it took FIA only one afternoon to deem Das legit ��

[KimiBot]

Why was Maurizio Arrivabene even fired? The Team was improving under his leadership, was it not?

Binotto gave ultimatum, Arrivabene goes or I go.

[458 Italia]

We look fast in slow corners but lack straight line speed, probably FIA engine restrictions.But hey it took FIA only one afternoon to deem Das legit ��

Can't let Ferrari have an advantage in anyway, must penalise anything we come up with, but yeah deem what mercs do as perfectly legal.

Sigh!! half a second slower :-s

[458 Italia]

They look like worried faces on our pit wall.

[Aziz]

They look like worried faces on our pit wall.

I hope we "crash and burn", I hope we will be midfield the entire season. It's time to overhaul the entire team

[gump1480]

They look like worried faces on our pit wall.

Worried about the gap of 0.5-0.7 s on such a short track. Racing point breathing down our neck...phew.

[KimiBot]

Worried about the gap of 0.5-0.7 s on such a short track. Racing point breathing down our neck...phew.

it does not look good

[Warp]

They look like worried faces on our pit wall.

We're slower compared to 2019 Mercedes (RP). Obviously they're worried, it's going to be though if they beat us.

[tifosi1993]

FP3:

Hamilton 1:04.130 (16.209--28.573--19.348)

Bottas 1:04.277 (16.347--28.457--19.473)

Verstappen 1:04.413 (16.300--28.544--19.569)

Perez 1:04.605 (16.344--28.621--19.602)

Leclerc 1:04.703 (16.530--28.622--19.551)

Albon 1:04.725 (16.489--28.706--19.530)

Vettel 1:04.851 (16.606--28.650-19.569)

[tifosi1993]

So we are now one of the slowest car in sector 1, giving away 2-3 tenths to our closest competitors. Also both Haas and Alfa are struggling as well.

Unless we're saving it for the Q3, it seems Ferrari PU not only lost ground to Mercedes, but to Honda and Renault as well. And they won't be bringing any new PU upgrades this year.

[Ferrarichamp]

so Max is the only challenger it seems.

[Alakshendra]

Its my personal opinion so please don;t get offended but Mattia binotto seems to have given to much power from the start.

I remember Arrivabene saying in past "to take your eyes off computers and watch the track, using common sense". Even that time Binotto was there, don't know why ferrari showing so much faith on him.

Many here are writing "hamilton earned it" "merc season 2020 and 2021" , come on this is ferrari or are we a joke? if this bunch of engieneers and team principal is not delivering then fire them, its formula 1 not truck making that we wait another decade to deliver. Bring new people who are best in world of any country any region but win.

[evo_spook]

Its my personal opinion so please don;t get offended but Mattia binotto seems to have given to much power from the start.

I remember Arrivabene saying in past "to take your eyes off computers and watch the track, using common sense". Even that time Binotto was there, don't know why ferrari showing so much faith on him.

Many here are writing "hamilton earned it" "merc season 2020 and 2021" , come on this is ferrari or are we a joke? if this bunch of engieneers and team principal is not delivering then fire them, its formula 1 not truck making that we wait another decade to deliver. Bring new people who are best in world of any country any region but win.

Ferrari did a McLaren mistake, instead of improving the 2018 car they decided to go in a totally new direction.
Cut a few driver mistakes, cut a few reliability issues and the 2018 car could have won the wcc/wdc

[FF1]

How much slower are we in straight line compared to others

[evo_spook]

How much slower are we in straight line compared to others

Thats usually normal with Ferrari in free practice though. They usually run the engine turned down more.

Not say they will suddenly become the fastest though.

[AJ_Hussain92]

Then he should have gone this binotto character. At best he would take gardening leave in his contract for a 18 months. And stick with Maurizio.

[Warp]

How much slower are we in straight line compared to others

Acceleration seems fine. Also Alfa Romeo top speed looks good too.

By the way, Williams is faster than us in the first sector.

[nhiepka]

Then he should have gone this binotto character. At best he would take gardening leave in his contract for a 18 months. And stick with Maurizio.

I am really feeling sickness with Binotto era.

[RicRac]

Then he should have gone this binotto character. At best he would take gardening leave in his contract for a 18 months. And stick with Maurizio.

Ferrari miss the likes of Sergio and Maurizio.. Binnoto is an engineer, not a team leader. Saying that I don't think it would be a good idea sacking Binnoto from the team. We don't want another James Alison scenario

[RicRac]

... But damn do we need someone who is going to run this team with an Iron fist... Arrivabene is sorely missed

[tifosi1993]

And here we go again. More pontificating nonsense extolling the virtues of British teams over the ineptitude of Ferrari because...oh, that's right, because they're Italian!!! Shucks, why didn't I think of that?!

That's JUST what Ferrari needs - to become just another soulless Anglo-Saxon corporation so that it can get down to the gritty business of winning. Uh huh. Gotcha!

Did any of you who keep sprouting this anti-Italian nonsense ever stop to think that perhaps Ferrari has fostered a passion for the team UNLIKE ANY OTHER F1 TEAM precisely because of it being an Italian team, with all the emotion, madness and, yes, frustration that goes with it? You take Ferrari out of Italy and its arrivederci to all that, ragazzi.

Oh, and need I remind our English tifosi across La Manche that at least Italy has kept most of its iconic luxury brands, which is more than can be said for the UK. Yeah, I know, the truth is a bummer, huh. :-)

No one is denying that Ferrari is (once again) staring into the abyss of mismanagement and a poor corporate culture. But can we please kindly stop with the facile crap that it's ALL because they're a bunch of lazy, vino-swilling, pasta-guzzling, over-emotional Italians. Oh, and don't forget corrupt, of course. Because everyone knows only Italians know how to be corrupt - never, ever those so-perfect English or Germans. Heaven forbid!

So, let's call out the team on the individuals and the management and all the other things that actually can be changed for the better, okay. And let's just stop with the anti-Italian vitriol. I'm frankly sick and tired of it, as I'm sure many others are too.

Grazie! :wave :wave

I will keep it short:

First: I'm not British and my post has nothing to do with my non-existent British pride.
Fact: Ferrari became the "Dominant" Ferrari, when the team being lead by non Italians. A Frenchman, A Brit, A German driver, A South African designer and so on...

Fact: Montezemolo was worried about the so called "foreign influence", and Todt always kept him out of Ferrari's day-day F1 operations so he was angry as well. So he forced Schumacher to retire, forced Brawn out of the team and made Domenicali the team principal. Pretty much purged the whole team. And as Niki Lauda said back in 2009, the return to the “spaghetti culture” was costing Ferrari in the factory, and ultimately out on track. After 11 years, Don't you think Lauda was and still is correct with is assessment.

Fact: And ever since then, Ferrari became a hollow of it's forever self. And the same trend keep on happening, miss management and poor leadership year after year. The performance curve pretty much look like a synchronous wave. Just up-down, but no stability and steady improvement.

And it's not just Ferrari. Look at Italian national football team, look at Serie A, a league once upon a time considered to be the best in the world.

Fact: You may not like it, but the best talents in F1 are from UK. Brawn, Newey, Allison, Cowell, Rob Marshall....all are from Uk. That's why pretty much the entire grid have their main F1 base in UK. These are just facts, being upset about it not going to change anything.

[JPZ]

... But damn do we need someone who is going to run this team with an Iron fist... Arrivabene is sorely missed

Hire a Team Manager with a proven track record, even from another racing division?

For instance, Todt worked in rally before F1.

[paolo lalli]

Only scrap points for Ferrari over the next 2 races nothing will change untill hungry???.This year could be over before we know it.Ferrari only have themselves to blame for there lame outcomes year after year.

[wisepie]

I thought that an engine/cylinder head redesign was supposed to have happened over the winter, before the virus took hold and as a result of the FIA/fuel flow debacle, and all we seem to have achieved is a less powerful engine. Both Alfa and Haas are way down the timesheets, so we definitely appear to have a below-par power unit, and that's without the drag issues. The whole car concept now seems utterly flawed. Sometimes I despair, but there are more important things in life so we will have to go with the flow, painful though it may be, once again.:roll

[JPZ]

I thought that an engine/cylinder head redesign was supposed to have happened over the winter, before the virus took hold and as a result of the FIA/fuel flow debacle, and all we seem to have achieved is a less powerful engine. Both Alfa and Haas are way down the timesheets, so we definitely appear to have a below-par power unit, and that's without the drag issues. The whole car concept now seems utterly flawed. Sometimes I despair, but there are more important things in life so we will have to go with the flow, painful though it may be, once again.:roll

A pity the Team aren't allowed to use the Fiorano test circuit more often, relying so much on the simulations and the windtunnel has clearly hurt the design concept.

At least before they could design a part and then quickly put it on the car and see for themselves if it works or not. They didn't have to worry about limited laps and other nonsense.

[tifosi1993]

Then he should have gone this binotto character. At best he would take gardening leave in his contract for a 18 months. And stick with Maurizio.

LMAO...yeah let's get rid of the guy who pretty much changed the Ferrari technical department and under his leadership, produced solid cars like SF70 and SF71. You do know Binotto was out TD back then right?

Arrivabene was nothing but a puppet. He was only there because of Philip Morris. It was Marchinonne who ran the team and made all the decisions. Ferrari getting rid of Raikkonen and bringing Leclerc, all thanks to Marchionne.

Now I'm not happy with Binotto's performance as team principal. I think he should go back to his technical director role and let someone better take the helm, preferably someone from the "outside". But there is no way in hell I would wish Ferrari to sack Binotto...his technical knowledge is just too valuable.

[RicRac]

LMAO...yeah let's get rid of the guy who pretty much changed the Ferrari technical department and under his leadership, produced solid cars like SF70 and SF71. You do know Binotto was out TD back then right?

Arrivabene was nothing but a puppet. He was only there because of Philip Morris. It was Marchinonne who ran the team and made all the decisions. Ferrari getting rid of Raikkonen and bringing Leclerc, all thanks to Marchionne.

Now I'm not happy with Binotto's performance as team principal. I think he should go back to his technical director role and let someone better take the helm, preferably someone from the "outside". But there is no way in hell I would wish Ferrari to sack Binotto...his technical knowledge is just too valuable.

Exactly! You don't get rid of someone who knows the ins and outs of Ferrari the way Binnoto does. He's just completely in the wrong roll. He'd probably be able an even better TD now having the experience of a TP and understanding the full picture now.. Side note, Ferrari need a Marchionne, and fast. Ferrari need a take no BS leader

[SilverSpeed]

So Max breaks his new front wing and poor Albon loses his...

So far for blablabla equal treatments.

[330 p4]

I think the Ferrari TP is good. He turned the engine round but took a few years then as TD oversaw the best chassis Ferrari made in years. He is methodical. Previous leaders have kicked the can down the road forcing new parts to appease the fans but parts went on and off the car race by race as did not work. Current leader took charge weeks before last year and inherited a mess but was cool and calm did not force parts onto the car, waited to French GP for parts and added from then on and car improved. Engine loophole was used but FIA closed it off, fair enough. Problem Ferrari have is pressure to change things overnight which is impossible, they are forced to put the roof up before digging the foundations. To get rid of him he will just go to Mercedes and be brilliant like Da Costa or Allison. From what he inherited just before 2019 season he had to go with but situation changed now with same cars next year and part of floor being removed so quite right to change plan. He has been very transparent and detailed a solution to work forward starting in Austria. Looking at times so far a Ferrari with no changes from test v RB and Merc with upgrades the hap is not as bad to date as they were supposed to be further ahead after the tests but reality is they brought upgrades v unchanged Ferrari and it's not that bad to date.

[Aziz]

LMAO...yeah let's get rid of the guy who pretty much changed the Ferrari technical department and under his leadership, produced solid cars like SF70 and SF71. You do know Binotto was out TD back then right?

Arrivabene was nothing but a puppet. He was only there because of Philip Morris. It was Marchinonne who ran the team and made all the decisions. Ferrari getting rid of Raikkonen and bringing Leclerc, all thanks to Marchionne.

Now I'm not happy with Binotto's performance as team principal. I think he should go back to his technical director role and let someone better take the helm, preferably someone from the "outside". But there is no way in hell I would wish Ferrari to sack Binotto...his technical knowledge is just too valuable.

To valuable?!?!?! Name one of his car that won a championship and he is with SF for ages. The them needs to be reorganized to be more like Merc or RB or Todt SF. This is a shitshow full of clowns and complete idiots

[458 Italia]

A pity the Team aren't allowed to use the Fiorano test circuit more often, relying so much on the simulations and the windtunnel has clearly hurt the design concept.

At least before they could design a part and then quickly put it on the car and see for themselves if it works or not. They didn't have to worry about limited laps and other nonsense.

I agree about your first paragraph, we seem to struggle more than most when it comes to relying on computer simulations.

[Kyss4k]

Looks like Ferrari is the worst power unit now. And with engines frozen... yeah.

[Kyss4k]

A pity the Team aren't allowed to use the Fiorano test circuit more often, relying so much on the simulations and the windtunnel has clearly hurt the design concept.

At least before they could design a part and then quickly put it on the car and see for themselves if it works or not. They didn't have to worry about limited laps and other nonsense.

It's the same for everyone.

[PURE PASSION]

For me , this is the 1st year that i really feel so embarrassed for our team. Its the 1st time that i cant fine one excuse for our performance!!!!!!!And i feel hopeless for the future !!!!!!
SO SO SAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PURE PASSION]

Andreas Seidl said to Sky Germany that Ferrari is even weaker than they originally thought, but they wait for qualifying to complete judge it.
We've become the joke of the paddock!!!!

[JPZ]

It's the same for everyone.

Ferrari has a testing track right next to the factory, so it was very quick to test parts.

[tifosi1993]

To valuable?!?!?! Name one of his car that won a championship and he is with SF for ages. The them needs to be reorganized to be more like Merc or RB or Todt SF. This is a shitshow full of clowns and complete idiots

Same question, name one driver who had won championships when Arrivabene was TP. I mean we can play this game all the time, but it will be a waste of team.

And no, Arrivabene the tobacco guy wasn't even close to someone like Todt...really you make me laugh. I mean just take a look at 2018 season and the amount of mismanagement there was under Arrivabene. And I would never hold a TP on high regard, who calls his driver "my friend".
When Binotto became the TD, there was lot of question marks, especially from people with zero knowledge and understandings. But he turned the team around, under his leadership the Ferrari PU became the best of the field, and we had cars like SF70 and SF71.

Yes, Binotto's performance as TP is a bit subpar. But I would still take him over Arrivabene the tobacco guy any day every day. At the end of the he's an extremely talented engineer and quite methodical. He's been with Ferrari since 96 and knows ins and outs of Scuderia. I would still give him time.

[jocaranz]

Quali Link please

[Kyss4k]

Ferrari has a testing track right next to the factory, so it was very quick to test parts.

So? We can not test on track for yyyyears now, we had enough time to figure out our wind tunnel etc. It is same for evyrone.

[Kyss4k]

What the hell is this quali? What am I watching?

[DJTaurus]

We have the best face masks hand down!

[chinmay]

We have the best face masks hand down!

Now that's an important step forward!

[DJTaurus]

Now that's an important step forward!

They are made by Armani not from our wind tunnels that’s why.

[tifosi1993]

Leclerc needs to get his sector 1 tidy, Last lap he gave away 3 tenths there.

[Rishu]

Good to at least Verstappen is keeping Mercedes honest

[jocaranz]

any link of the qualifying guys?

[Kyss4k]

Leclerc needs to get his sector 1 tidy, Last lap he gave away 3 tenths there.

I think that is because we lack the speed from our PU probably. Look at othe Ferrari powered cars. They are all at the bottom of the times.

[totox]

Leclerc needs to get his sector 1 tidy, Last lap he gave away 3 tenths there.

The car is a draggy brick, that's way the first sector is bad

[tifosi1993]

I think that is because we lack the speed from our PU probably. Look at othe Ferrari powered cars. They are all at the bottom of the times.

But Vettel did 16.280, Leclerc on the other hand 16.561 on his last lap (best time 16.465). With a good sector 1, he will get a lot closer.

[KimiBot]

any link of the qualifying guys?

https://www.totalsportek.com/formula1-hungary/

[458 Italia]

Sky are absolutely loving our problems and lack of pace. Grrrrrrr

[Aziz]

Looks like Ferrari is the worst power unit now. And with engines frozen... yeah.

How can one go from the best engine to the worst in one year? I really can't understand this situation

[tifosi1993]

Mclaren is a surprise, very fast in sector 1. It's keeping them closer to the front

[458 Italia]

Wow one of the cars may not even make it through to Q3 at this rate!

[Kyss4k]

How can one go from the best engine to the worst in one year? I really can't understand this situation

We were caught cheating... or not cheating literally, but using the rules in a way, FIA didn't want us to. That made our engine great. Without it our engine department did not manage to recover the lost HP. And with the areodynamics done wrong too...

[KimiBot]

Same question, name one driver who had won championships when Arrivabene was TP. I mean we can play this game all the time, but it will be a waste of team.

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without Sebs mistakes we should have at least 1 ....Binotto era is worst what I remember in Ferraris history

[ss-89]

Its all engine or if not the engine it's aerodynamic drag.

Sky showed a graphic from q1 for vettel. We were 2nd in slow speed, 4th in medium and 6th in high speed, 19th on the straights...

[Aziz]

We were caught cheating... or not cheating literally, but using the rules in a way, FIA didn't want us to. That made our engine great. Without it our engine department did not manage to recover the lost HP. And with the areodynamics done wrong too...

That's the lack of balls in this idiotic team, if we are changing punish us if it's not cheating f...k off

[Kyss4k]

Wow one of the cars may not even make it through to Q3 at this rate!

yep, this looks even worse, then I thought. This is just a midfield car, what the hell? McLaren ahead of us? Red Bull faster than us on harder tyres? How can anyone else, than Williams, who is broke, build such a dog?

[Aziz]

We were caught cheating... or not cheating literally, but using the rules in a way, FIA didn't want us to. That made our engine great. Without it our engine department did not manage to recover the lost HP. And with the areodynamics done wrong too...

That's the lack of balls in this idiotic team, if we are changing punish us if it's not cheating

[tifosi1993]

What an embarrassment

[ss-89]

Ouch. That merc is mighty miles ahead of everyone.

[Kyss4k]

Midfield. Just a midfield. And not even a top of the midfield.

[Rishu]

Darn it

[458 Italia]

That's it I've seen enough of this, it's bad enough with the performance of the car but with croft and brundle unable to hide their joy at our failures.

[PURE PASSION]

. DID WE MANAGED TO MAKE A CAR 1s!!!!!!! SLOWER IN A SHORT TRACK LIKE THIS !!!!!!!!!
THIS IS TOTAL HUMILIATION !!!!!!!!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

10 and 11. Embarrassing. What’s worse, is RedBull is a full 7 tenths down from the mercs. Easy championship for Merc again this year. Jesus what a boring, predictable sport this has become.

[WS6TransAm01]

Ahahahahahahahah

What an abysmal failure.

Pathetic.

[Rishu]

Couple of mistakes from Vettel but it would’ve made little difference

[tifosi1993]

Maybe work harded and bring those upgrades or whatever they have in the pipeline for the second Austrian race.

[Kyss4k]

10 and 11. Embarrassing. What’s worse, is RedBull is a full 7 tenths down from the mercs. Easy championship for Merc again this year. Jesus what a boring, predictable sport this has become.

RedBull was on mediums. Merc on softs. Wasn't it?

We are just an embarrassment.

[tifosi1993]

. DID WE MANAGED TO MAKE A CAR 1s!!!!!!! SLOWER IN A SHORT TRACK LIKE THIS !!!!!!!!!
THIS IS TOTAL HUMILIATION !!!!!!!!!!

But we are more interested in what is "good for the sport".

[Aziz]

Hahahahahaahah epic, epic.... Someone should write a book about these experts at Ferrari

[ferrari1.8t]

RedBull was on mediums. Merc on softs. Wasn't it?

We are just an embarrassment.

Just Verstappen was on mediums. Albon was on softs

[vetalo]

I really don't know the excuse Binotto will give again, I can't understand he can produce a car this so bad and still not bothered.

[tifosi1993]

Engine was out saving grace last year. But we can longer hide behind it...this whole car needs to change. No matter what you say, with their money and resources, Ferrari shouldn't be fighting for P10

[Alakshendra]

Now that we see the real performance of car, can now we really work on the problem called as Mattia Binotto or are we going to blame vettel for this?

The car sucking more then last year and I am not able to understand what kind of a job the genius called call Binotto is doing.

[Kyss4k]

Just Verstappen was on mediums. Albon was on softs

Well yeah, but that's Albon... the second league at best.

[The Architect]

Looks like we're competing in Formula 1.5 this year with Force India, Renault and McLaren. Not even at the front of that field either. Can't say I'm surprised. I expect this year and next year will be another write off.

[PURE PASSION]

But we are more interested in what is "good for the sport".

ΥΕΗ,i wonder if Mr Binotto or whoever is being payed from somewhere for this "good foe the sport " attitude ??!!!!!

[farid-baku]

Last year car 1.03.003 bring 2019 car if you can built new

[Alakshendra]

I think the whole team management need to be changed, year after year same disappointment, same humiliation, people making fun of us.

[WS6TransAm01]

The 2020 Ferrari is slower than the 2019 Merc hahahhahahahaha

At this point Ferrari might as well just throw darts at the will to pick designs. 11 years of “we have correlation problems”

It’s like watching a group of monkeys try to have sex with a football.

[nani_s23]

Wts our qualifying positions? I haven’t watched it yet.!

[WS6TransAm01]

The 2020 Ferrari is slower than the 2019 Merc hahahhahahahaha

At this point Ferrari might as well just throw darts at the will to pick designs. 11 years of “we have correlation problems”

It’s like watching a group of monkeys try to have sex with a football.

[Rishu]

So Verstappen to start race on Mediums?

[Alakshendra]

Seb 11th , out of p3 and leclerc 10th, barely manager to be in p3

[Schumiklub]

How did we manage to make a car that’s slower than last year?


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[Ferrarichamp]

soon Ferrari will say a points finish will be a good result :Hmm

[TonyRizza]

How embarrassing, can we go back into lockdown so f1 is cancelled for the rest of the year lol...

[Aziz]

Beluga is back!!!!!

[Kyss4k]

The 2020 Ferrari is slower than the 2019 Merc hahahhahahahaha

At this point Ferrari might as well just throw darts at the will to pick designs. 11 years of “we have correlation problems”

It’s like watching a group of monkeys try to have sex with a football.

And we have the biggest budget to play those darts... I guess they spent most of it for the Armani masks and nothing was left to develop the car or I don't know, how can someone mess up so badly. For 12 years not being able to built a car that would be the class of the field with tall that money, that's insane.

[Alakshendra]

What a pathetic start, no challenge to hamilton, already won.

[Kyss4k]

So Verstappen to start race on Mediums?

Yes, he will.

[tifosi1993]

Lmao Hamilton 15.898 in sector 1

Leclerc 16.540

[ferrari1.8t]

Rubbing salt on our wounds, new lap record from Bottas.

[Schumiklub]

1.5 seconds slower than our own car from last year, wow just wow!


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[nhiepka]

Fire Binotto right.

[vetalo]

But we are more interested in what is "good for the sport".

We have been fooled again, last year they used trickery with fuel and we all think Ferrari was good. Until Ferrari stop thinking they can produce a better racing on their own Ferrari will just be trying each year

[ferrari1.8t]

Sky love talking about our engine performance loss. God this will be a long season

[tifosi1993]

We lost every strength we had on last years car. Now we've got a draggy mess that is nowhere near close to Mercedes/Red Bull in downforce wise, and giving away 4-7 tenths on straights.

[vetalo]

And we have the biggest budget to play those darts... I guess they spent most of it for the Armani masks and nothing was left to develop the car or I don't know, how can someone mess up so badly. For 12 years not being able to built a car that would be the class of the field with tall that money, that's insane.

Ferrari has become a joke

[DJTaurus]

There are not any more key people left to fire on our team.

[FFFerrari]

Absolutely pathetic result. The drivers are giving their best, the car is a dog.

[Kyss4k]

Ferrari has become a joke

Yeah. I don't understand how could that happen though... We changed the entire stuff three times since 2014 already and nothing helped. What is wrong? Why are we so incopetent still?

[nani_s23]

P10 & P11???? Seriously :ouch :ouch:furious:furious:furious

[Alakshendra]

No, he needs to be shot in his ass with a gun.

what a humiliation.

[nani_s23]

So according to Vettel “Ferrari is a mid field car” now..!!
RB & McLaren will make fun of us, they repeat it again n again. Ferrari got caught cheating.

[tifosi1993]

P7 for Charles. Mighty job beating Sainz, Stroll and Ricciardo with the 5th fastest car

[DJTaurus]

Mclaren didn’t have financial issues ?

[jocaranz]

Looks like were going to have to side with Bottas the whole season. hahaha. i dont see any hope from us

[Aziz]

Let's here from our genius TP, what exuse will he invent now

[nani_s23]

Yeah. I don't understand how could that happen though... We changed the entire stuff three times since 2014 already and nothing helped. What is wrong? Why are we so incopetent still?

I think this constant changing of TP/staff, not working for Ferrari.
To me 2019 was just a qualifying car, not a race car.
Current 2020 is a disaster, I think time will come where Binotto need to give the answers & for sure be under scanner.
I’m sensing the next exit.

[Kyss4k]

So... this year is gone. And next year we will have the same cars basically with Sainz, who is just nothing against Norris. This team is falling quickly straight into mediocrity.

[Ferrarichamp]

so now we need a SC and hope to get luck somehow.

[Rishu]

Half a second clear on such a short track, oh my god!

[KimiBot]

P7 for Charles. Mighty job beating Sainz, Stroll and Ricciardo with the 5th fastest car

:thumb

[nani_s23]

Looks like were going to have to side with Bottas the whole season. hahaha. i dont see any hope from us

He’s the driver with just words “I’m gonna win the championship”...
On track “ok I obey Toto orders & give way for Hammy”

[Kyss4k]

Mclaren didn’t have financial issues ?

Yeah... team with financial struggles is beating us with one finger in the nose and one in the butt.

[tifosi1993]

Q3

Bottas 1:02.939 (16.011--27.905--18.984)

Hamilton 1:02.951 (15.898--27.934--19.024)

Verstappen 1:03.477 (16.093--28.045--19.256)

Norris 1:03.626 (16.162--28.159--19.305)

Albon 1:03.868 (16.165--28.232--19.347)

Perez 1:03.868 (16.120--28.180--19.362)

Leclerc 1:03.923 (16.423--28.215--19.260)

Sainz 1:03.971 (16.134--28.293--19.446)

Stroll 1:04.029 (16.190--28.278--19.451)

Ricciardo 1:04.239 (16.085--28.436--19.478)

[vetalo]

Yeah. I don't understand how could that happen though... We changed the entire stuff three times since 2014 already and nothing helped. What is wrong? Why are we so incopetent still?

With modern technology they could have kept Allison and let him work remotely and visit site once in a while. Ferrari need to bring in more none Italian because clearly it has not worked. the biggest budget and prize money and this performance? Binotto need to go

[vetalo]

Ferrai need to be come open minded. They can't ever admit they are wrong. Ferrari Italian project has failed

[farid-baku]

We are famous brand but Ferrari cant be a team since 2005

[AJ_Hussain92]

I think Binotto will mention that Calibration is not as expected and we expected that we will not be strong here due to the Coronavirus lockdown along with correlation issues in the tunnel the simulations were showing that there was something not right.

[tifosi1993]

So we are 0.525 slower than Mercedes in sector 1, 0.310 slower in sector 2 and 0.296 sec slower in sector 3.

And a whopping 0.984 seconds slower overall. Considering this is the shortest track in F1, this is utterly embarrassing.

[Aziz]

Where is the idiot with strange hair and glasses, did he said something?

[tifosi1993]

Ferrai need to be come open minded. They can't ever admit they are wrong. Ferrari Italian project has failed

They need to get out of that little village called Maranello. By being there, they can't attract the best talents in F1.

[Ree]

That was painful... not what we were hoping for :((

But as I'm forever the optimist let's see if they can pull a rabbit out the hat tomorrow and/or during the rest of the season.

[hakanabi]

No ferrari engine on top 10 except Leclerc.

[PURE PASSION]

They need to get out of that little village called Maranello. By being there, they can't attract the best talents in F1.

the thing is that THIS team has produse some goodish cars like '17 '18, who they become now the WORSE team budget wise ?????!!!!!!!

[Kyss4k]

No ferrari engine on top 10 except Leclerc.

And 4 of them in the last 6.

[vetalo]

Ferrari thinks they are so good, they ran the team like a cult, they need to bring in people outside of italy and stop doing things italian way. The success they had over 10 years ago was when two none Italian were team principal

[Kyss4k]

That was painful... not what we were hoping for :((

But as I'm forever the optimist let's see if they can pull a rabbit out the hat tomorrow and/or during the rest of the season.

Not if laws of physics will be working tomorrow.

[nani_s23]

No ferrari engine on top 10 except Leclerc.

That’s a good job by Leclerc. With that car he managed to pull out in top 10.

[nani_s23]

Ferrari thinks they are so good, they ran the team like a cult, they need to bring in people outside of italy and stop doing things italian way. The success they had over 10 years ago was when two none Italian were team principal

:thumb