StyrianGP 2020 Practices and Qualifying

[TonyRizza]

Ah it's the Italians... Well Williams should look even more stupid then being a British team.
There's about £400million reasons that Williams are behind ferrari

[nani_s23]

I don't know why, but Ferrari have been terrible in rainy conditions for several seasons.


This is what I’ve been saying here.

[Jax]

There's about £400million reasons that Williams are behind ferrari

Thank you, I would add a 0

[Christopher]

Not a surprising result. Driving in the rain is all about confidence our drivers have absolutely no confidence in that car. This is going to be a brutal season.

[Tony]

THEY HAVE TO CHANGE CULTURE, ITALIANS ARE NO GOOD. THEY ARE DRIVEN BY EMOTIONS, EMOTIONS DRIVEN DECISIONS ARE JUST HORRIBLE DECISIONS.

That's a pretty broad sweeping brush... Renault isn't very good either, does that mean the French are no good either?

It's a bit ironic that you're a fan of an Italian team given how stupid you think Italians are, maybe follow another team that doesn't have any Italians involved, might be better for your health...

[tifosi1993]

Quaifying results...usng full wets. Rain is the great equalizer...given the track, the cars and their drivers.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecp2xfCX0AAUXhm?format=jpg&name=medium

Yup, Rain was, is and always will be the great equalizer. On a dry qualy, Bottas could've easily gotten the pole today, and neighter Sainz or Ocon would be anywhere near the top 3. But wet race track changes thing, and now Bottas is 1.4 seconds behind Hamilton and Sainz is in P3.

I have high hopes for Leclerc and regard him quite highly, but that doesn't make me blind. Leclerc is not the complete package like Ham or Max, maybe one day he will be but right now he isn't. Getting out classed by Gasly in a Alfa or Ocon in a Reanult in the wets is not a good thing.

[Lesky]

F2 race in the wet now, got to see it!

[ss-89]

I think we will be better in the race we knew we'd struggle over 1 lap especially with the rain. As I said before if Charles can escape with a 2nd and 5th from the first two races id call that a win overall given the circumstances and hopefully we can push a bit more from Hungary onwards.

[tifosi1993]

I’m asking about the car & your are asking drivers. :-)

RB was always a good car aerodynamically. It’s no matter whether you accept it or not.
It was proved when vettel was in there & now max.
Mercs you know It’s their era, their car is suitable to every condition except hot where they have cooling issue.
and talking about drivers, when you have a good car in hand they make the talk through their driving that’s what max & ham are doing.
Now that even Alfa car is strong in these conditions, it doesn’t mean that kvyat or Ocon or sainz or Norris etc are better than Lec & vettel.

Never said anyone of them are better than Lec or Vet. That's your conclusion not mine.

But I'm not going to cast a blind eye on today's result. Ferrari getting out-qualified by Ocon or Gasly...it's not down to the car. And you can come up with all sorts of excuses, but there is no way in hell I'm going to accept that the SF1000 is a worse car than Gasly's Alpha Tauri. And only 0.008 seconds better than Russell's Williams.

And Dani Ric was used be a solid wet driver as well. But today he got out-qualified by Ocon. So again, it's not the car, not always that is. And if Max or Ham were driving other car, they would still be competitive in the wet condition.

We can play this game all day along, as you've already done, mentioning the Monza 2017 wet qualifying while ignoring Hungary 2018. But that's just waste of time.
In this conditions, a F1 car will never reach it's dry weather speed, so it's never going to generate enough downforce. Some drivers know how to find the grip in a wet surface, some dont. It's just the way it is.

[stefa]

Such a nice and worm weather in Belgrade 34C. I am so glad I'am outside spending good quallity time with family and not wasting it on this... what ever... Tomorrow I will do it again, as anything else would be just wasting time and energy on nothing! And now to those who are goin to jump over me and say that I am not true supporter and all other usual "wich hunt" phrases, say what you want and live in a bubble. I was there to watch and support Ferrari since early 80's when things ware even worse, and I was there when great MS brought all the joy and glory to Ferrari supporters.

[nani_s23]

Such a nice and worm weather in Belgrade 34C. I am so glad I'am outside spending good quallity time with family and not wasting it on this... what ever... Tomorrow I will do it again, as anything else would be just wasting time and energy on nothing! And now to those who are goin to jump over me and say that I am not true supporter and all other usual "wich hunt" phrases, say what you want and live in a bubble. I was there to watch and support Ferrari since early 80's when things ware even worse, and I was there when great MS brought all the joy and glory to Ferrari supporters.

:clap

[Arcana]

I have high hopes for Leclerc and regard him quite highly, but that doesn't make me blind. Leclerc is not the complete package like Ham or Max, maybe one day he will be but right now he isn't. Getting out classed by Gasly in a Alfa or Ocon in a Reanult in the wets is not a good thing.

This. Lewis showed how good he was in the rain right in his first season - see Japan 2007.
Max in his second season proved himself in Brazil in 2016.

Charles is good in the dry, really good and a skilled overtaker but so far his performances in the wet were a let down.

I am amazed by what Gasly and Ocon achieved today, especially Ocon, after 1 year pause he started really good.

[tifosi1993]

Such a nice and worm weather in Belgrade 34C. I am so glad I'am outside spending good quallity time with family and not wasting it on this... what ever... Tomorrow I will do it again, as anything else would be just wasting time and energy on nothing! And now to those who are goin to jump over me and say that I am not true supporter and all other usual "wich hunt" phrases, say what you want and live in a bubble. I was there to watch and support Ferrari since early 80's when things ware even worse, and I was there when great MS brought all the joy and glory to Ferrari supporters.

Atleast you are having a good time.

And the great MS had a proper racing team around him. No politics, not wasting their breathe about passion, pride and some other ********! They were motivated, with a inspiring driver on track and inspiring and capable leaders off track.

But that's not the case today, unfortunately. AS the great Lauda said back in 2009, the "Spaghetti Culture" has returned, and it's going to be there as long as the F1 base remain in Maranello.

[jgonzalesm6]

Wierd??? Seb talking to Toto after qualifying.

https://twitter.com/FiftyBucksss/status/1281971790261235712

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecp6mIZWkAA7LI6?format=jpg&name=medium

[paneristi]

It was cruising for bruising

[stefa]

Atleast you are having a good time.

And the great MS had a proper racing team around him. No politics, not wasting their breathe about passion, pride and some other ********! They were motivated, with a inspiring driver on track and inspiring and capable leaders off track.

But that's not the case today, unfortunately. AS the great Lauda said back in 2009, the "Spaghetti Culture" has returned, and it's going to be there as long as the F1 base remain in Maranello.

Thank you.

Regarding culture and nationality... I don't want to speak about that topic, as it is awkward... I do agree with some things, as I had the opportunity to speak back in 2000 with some people that used to work for F1 team, and one that ware working at that time. Some interesting things I have learned....

[jgonzalesm6]

More salt on the wound......

[Autosport]

Charles Leclerc faces a double investigation after StyrianGP qualifying, as he failed to immediately pit under a red flag and allegedly impeded Daniil Kvyat

[FerrariF60]

I finally made sure it wasn’t an Ferrari engine. Just chassis so trash...

it's a combination of both mate.....chassis is just a much TRASH as the engine is......BOTH ARE TRASH.....

looks like a painfull 2 years for us coming.....and in 2022 when rules reset....well i won't hold my breath that ferrair will produce a better car with the new rules revamp....

[Kyss4k]

You stop kidding yourself. So what are you saying, that Ferrari is no better than Williams?
This is a wet qualifying, what the the **** engine gonna do, pull the car faster through corners? :rotfl

Wow... you know so little, yet you think about yourself so much... What about driveability? Power delivery? Nothing? Crucial stuff in wet. And I don't even talk about aero stability, which is so important. Willisams may have less downforce, but if it is more stable, easier to drive, have better power delivery... The cars are not black and white. Btw you are basically saying that Leclerc is worse, than so many drivers from "lesser" teams, which is bull**** and you know it. Ferrari SF1000 is just pathetic excuse of a car. And you can say whatever you want ;)

[chinmay]

Good to see that Hamilton has improved his wet driving skills after crashes in Brazil 2018 qualifying and Germany 2019 race!

The above is for the few who think that it's Hamilton making difference and nothing to do with the car. Going by the same logic, Rosberg beat Hamilton to pole numerous times in Mercedes, does that make Rosberg better driver than Hamilton?

[Kyss4k]

The last time was Hungary 2018, when Raikkonen was the fastest driver in Q3 and would've taken the pole, but he was unable to because he couldn't do a single lap on new tyres.
For the last time, stop blaming the car, the team, tyres, suspension or whatever for one second and admit that, netiher Lec or Vet are outstanding in this conditions. There's a reason why both Ham and Max outqualified their teammates by more than 1 seconds.

And the Williams of 2017 wasn't an absolute dog, unlike the Williams of last year or this year.

Stop telling people what to think. Vettel was destroying Raikkonen sometimes by the similar margin, that Lewis destroyed Bottas today, yet you call Vettel trash and Hamilton God. Your theories are so wrong, so delusional it really hurts.

[chinmay]

2015 Ferrari car was bad in all conditions except wet. Vettel almost beat Hamilton to pole in absolutely wet conditions in Malaysia 2015 qualifying. Vettel also performed very well in USA that year in wet race. Also germany last year. Leclerc too will have many great races in wet, a bad session once or twice doesn't make one a terrible driver in wet. Next time around, Leclerc could put in a scintillating performance in treacherous conditions.

[Cavallino]

And don't forget these days, some people can opt for a better qualifying setup, others, for a better race setup. I hope Ferrari went with the better race setup. :-??
Either way though, it's going to be difficult to salvage tomorrow, there may be some drama with mixed up positions, but Hamilton and Max will just rocket off. It'll probably Hamilton, Max, Bottas finish in that order.

[doublesixes]

THEY HAVE TO CHANGE CULTURE, ITALIANS ARE NO GOOD. THEY ARE DRIVEN BY EMOTIONS, EMOTIONS DRIVEN DECISIONS ARE JUST HORRIBLE DECISIONS.

That's a most moronic statement. I'm not Italian but if not for the them, the whole European continent could, conceivably, be in a state of deep backwardness. Europe, and the entire world, owe to Italians what it has become. Next time, please study history before spitting out stupid comments.

[tifosi1993]

Stop telling people what to think. Vettel was destroying Raikkonen sometimes by the similar margin, that Lewis destroyed Bottas today, yet you call Vettel trash and Hamilton God. Your theories are so wrong, so delusional it really hurts.

Whatever dude. I'm not blind, unlike you ofcourse. You are talking about engine drivability and what not, but can't back up anything. And reality is not "theory", Ferrari getting out qualified by Gasly and Ocon, both Ham and Max out qualifying their teammates by over a second 1...yeah I'm not gonna ignore all that.

And since you are blind, may be I should make it easier for you. The discussion was about Ferrari cars, and how it got out qualified by Williams in Monza 2017,because the poster I was replying to clearly ignored Hungary 2018 qualifying. May be you are stupid as well, since you clearly don't know what "context" is.

And I know the result of Vettel vs Raikkonen, but that wasn't the point nor it was the discussion.

[doublesixes]

I don't know about you guys but I kind of like the underdog position Ferrari has put itself into. Basically, on the expectation department, we score a resounding ZERO which leaves any positive outcome as grounds for a cheerful celebration. Anyway...whatever.

[stefa]

I don't know about you guys but I kind of like the underdog position Ferrari has put itself into. Basically, on the expectation department, we score a resounding ZERO which leaves any positive outcome as grounds for a cheerful celebration. Anyway...whatever.

Great starting point for winning CWC and WDC!

[tifosi1993]

And don't forget these days, some people can opt for a better qualifying setup, others, for a better race setup. I hope Ferrari went with the better race setup. :-??
Either way though, it's going to be difficult to salvage tomorrow, there may be some drama with mixed up positions, but Hamilton and Max will just rocket off. It'll probably Hamilton, Max, Bottas finish in that order.

Well...at least the long run pace looked good yesterday. But tbh, it's quite frustrating, to see where Ferrari is right now. They are clearly lacking direction, both in the factory and race track. I don't have much hope for 2022 rule changes.

[Cavallino]

Well...at least the long run pace looked good yesterday. But tbh, it's quite frustrating, to see where Ferrari is right now. They are clearly lacking direction, both in the factory and race track. I don't have much hope for 2022 rule changes.

Well, this rain didn't help, it looks like we made a step forward, but now it's even more difficult to see the forest from the trees. If Leclerc salvages 4th, he is a magician.

Some of the times I saw were starting to make me optimistic, but today just shot that all away.

I'm not going to go blame the drivers for this one, neither one is a Michael, but neither one is slower than Gasly in a TorroRosso.

[FerrariF60]

Wow... you know so little, yet you think about yourself so much... What about driveability? Power delivery? Nothing? Crucial stuff in wet. And I don't even talk about aero stability, which is so important. Willisams may have less downforce, but if it is more stable, easier to drive, have better power delivery... The cars are not black and white. Btw you are basically saying that Leclerc is worse, than so many drivers from "lesser" teams, which is bull**** and you know it. Ferrari SF1000 is just pathetic excuse of a car. And you can say whatever you want ;)

toally agree.....1000%.....i'm debating weather or NOT is even worse then the 2014 vacuum cleaner/ant eater we had....

[JPZ]

At least if it rains tomorrow, anything can happen...

[nani_s23]

toally agree.....1000%.....i'm debating weather or NOT is even worse then the 2014 vacuum cleaner/ant eater we had....

:rotfl

[nani_s23]

Stop telling people what to think. Vettel was destroying Raikkonen sometimes by the similar margin, that Lewis destroyed Bottas today, yet you call Vettel trash and Hamilton God. Your theories are so wrong, so delusional it really hurts.

My point too will be on similar lines

[nani_s23]

At least if it rains tomorrow, anything can happen...

Race is under cold conditions but not wet.

[chinmay]

At least if it rains tomorrow, anything can happen...

Forecast for tomorrow is dry. Leclerc said car has improved in race pace so that may help.

[tifosi1993]

At least if it rains tomorrow, anything can happen...

Based on our starting positions, I'd say dry race is much more preferable than wet race. Start on hards and end the race on mediums.

[nani_s23]

More salt on the wound......

[Autosport]

Charles Leclerc faces a double investigation after StyrianGP qualifying, as he failed to immediately pit under a red flag and allegedly impeded Daniil Kvyat

Wet quali or race is always a lottery. Anything can happen. Sometimes good or sometimes the other way.

[Cavallino]

Based on our starting positions, I'd say dry race is much more preferable than wet race. Start on hards and end the race on mediums.

Yeah, with a couple safety cars we could repeat last week's salvage which is best case scenario.

[nani_s23]

Leclerc to start from back of the grid. Just a rumour as of now.
Officially should be confirmed.

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari are in deep water the top guns are doing freestyle and Ferrari can only manage dog paddling.This is carma they deserve to be where they are and iam glad that the fia has stomped on them hard.They should have been disqulafied last season. Iam a big believer in fair play no matter what sport.Ferrari actions and current failures are deserved, they are in a real trouble and it just high lites the systemic failures with current management structure.jobs for the boys has failed and will continue to fail untill a new direction and structure is established.Ferrari needs a miricle to rescue this season, I do not see one happening.

[nani_s23]

What can we still expect from Ferrari this season? Can Ferrari still close the gap?

Vettel: "I don't know how long the season will be. We are trying to give our all. To improve race by race. The rest will be seen. We can't make any predictions at this stage."

Vettel: Of course I expected more in these conditions. We thought we could make the difference. In all 3 sessions we have been struggling a lot. I think our car was not setup for rain, it was difficult to bring the tyres to work. We weren't fast enough to keep up with the others

How depressing is the situation?

Vettel: Of course our aspiration is to be further ahead but we have to bear it and give our all. We hope the next step of new parts, the next step on the car will come soon but you can't expect a huge leap within a week.
"We have to hang in there, keep on going and the rest will be seen on track."

Vettel speaking to @ORF, earlier this week: I've achieved a lot in the past in this sport and it's of course my goal to keep achieving more. If it was about making sure of adding more money in my wallet, then I would probably already have a seat by now.

[nani_s23]

Max blaming vettel for near miss of pole lap. :rotfl
He was saying, wanted to follow vettel car for tyre tracks.:-D
This is the reason I don’t like max.

[tifosi1993]

Guys, don't miss the F2 race. Schwartzman is winning this race, we have another special talent in our hand.

[paolo lalli]

Where is BINOTTO? He has nothing to say all of a sudden.Totto was right he only is good at repeating the same old boring rhetoric over and over.He is a walking doomsayer are real party killer.Binotto is out of his depth and is drowning he should be in a lab at the factory that is his calling should never had taken the position of team principle.Binotto can run but he can't hide.

[Aziz]

Great starting point for winning CWC and WDC!

We are far from Merc and RB but the good thing is we are not far from Williams :-D

[wisepie]

Leclerc to start from back of the grid. Just a rumour as of now.
Officially should be confirmed.

If correct, it's another dig at Ferrari and I am convinced they have been forced by the FIA to make amends for their brilliant circumventing of the fuel flow regs last year and are paying the price. I despair of our team which seems lost at present with no power, no engine upgrades allowed, and unbalanced handling, what hope is there when Binotto seems to be muddling along and stating 'we have to understand the problem' at every opportunity. The drivers have been dropped right in it and a Charles penalty will just make a bad day even worse.:roll:-s

[Christopher]

3 Place Pen for Charles. Starts 14th.

[nani_s23]

If correct, it's another dig at Ferrari and I am convinced they have been forced by the FIA to make amends for their brilliant circumventing of the fuel flow regs last year and are paying the price. I despair of our team which seems lost at present with no power, no engine upgrades allowed, and unbalanced handling, what hope is there when Binotto seems to be muddling along and stating 'we have to understand the problem' at every opportunity. The drivers have been dropped right in it and a Charles penalty will just make a bad day even worse.:roll:-s

It doesn’t get much worse than this.
Either DNF would at least give a hope next week that yeah will be fighting in this season.
But seeing our cars beaten by Alfa, RP, Mclaren, Williams, Renault such a shame.

[nani_s23]

3 Place Pen for Charles. Starts 14th.

At least there should be some entertainment in the race where we can see his resurgence. But up to what extent we don’t know.

[tifosi1993]

3 Place Pen for Charles. Starts 14th.

Mamma Mia

[jgonzalesm6]

3 Place Pen for Charles. Starts 14th.


Out of the frying pan, and into the fire.

Let's see how much carving Charles can climb up the field....without attrition of course.....on full merit.

[KimiBot]

We are far from Merc and RB but the good thing is we are not far from Williams :-D

that was funny :-)

[Liscia]

I'll be happy if there is no incident between our two drivers and at least gaining a few points. Hope that's not too much to wish for.......

[stefa]

https://www.ferrari.com/en-RS/formula1/year-1980

For the younger ones here to learn how bad it was and can be...

[Aziz]

https://www.ferrari.com/en-RS/formula1/year-1980

For the younger ones here to learn how bad it was and can be...

All the same, 8th 5th.......I guess will have to wait 8 more years to have a real challenger. #FERRRARIGP2 #ESSEREGP2

[FerrariF60]

All the same, 8th 5th.......I guess will have to wait 8 more years to have a real challenger. #FERRRARIGP2 #ESSEREGP2

GP2 engine, GP2 engine.....Enzo is prolly rolling in his grave....

[jgonzalesm6]

Will we see the same thing in F1 tomorrow during the podium finish??

https://twitter.com/ingastrackef1/status/1282008466165506049

[330 p4]

[QUOTE=jgonzalesm6;1027777]Will we see the same thing in F1 tomorrow during the podium

Just checked the speed trap data and the trophy table is above Ferrari powered teams.

[jgonzalesm6]

Just checked the speed trap data and the trophy table is above Ferrari powered teams.


:-D

[Timpolidori]

As sad as it is, we probably need to leave F1 to save the brand as this is showing that we haven't got a clue. Be funny to see the viewing figures without us though, and prize money

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[paolo lalli]

Good point the Ferrari brand is now under the spotlite for all of the wrong reasons. Basically Ferrari do not have a car for this season they can put on all the crap parts they want it will fail you need horse power and all Ferrari have is a prancing donkey.

[nani_s23]

Shwartzman, is he part of our FDA ?? Amazing drive.
Alfa or haas need to grab him ASAP. Next gen star in the making

[nani_s23]

Binotto: "We worked very hard to bring updates to the car earlier than planned, but they didn’t show their worth on track.

We have to work out why and change this state of affairs, which is just not good enough for a team by the name of Ferrari."

"We mustn't get het up about it, but we cannot ignore the facts."

"In two qualifying sessions, albeit in different conditions, we have not been competitive, not only against those who have been our closets rivals over the past few years, but also against others, who up to yesterday were generally behind us."

[JPZ]

As sad as it is, we probably need to leave F1 to save the brand as this is showing that we haven't got a clue. Be funny to see the viewing figures without us though, and prize money

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Ferrari mentioned competing in IndyCar, in order to keep their staff and use the rest of their budget due to the budget cap, which will probably include producing an engine and chasis for the sport.

If Ferrari did leave, then F1 is finished for me, I will switch to IndyCar.

F1 would probably be finished too, unless Ferrari and other teams created a rival championship, as they have threatened to do in the past. In hindsight, they should have.

[nani_s23]

ORF: Niki Lauda has often said that in his time at Ferrari, even if you are a world champion, you can find yourself in merciless situation there. Now that you are leaving, do you feel like you are getting pushed out?

Vettel: "No. In all fairness no."
"It would help me if Niki was still around so I could ask him. He always said what he thought. I still believe that there is no bad intent on the team side. I believe that everything I have received from team over the past years, I want to give that back. That is my goal"

The deadline [of the decision of his future]?

Vettel: "Would be good to know before the start of the new season [laughs]."

[Aziz]

Binotto: "We worked very hard to bring updates to the car earlier than planned, but they didn’t show their worth on track.

We have to work out why and change this state of affairs, which is just not good enough for a team by the name of Ferrari."

"We mustn't get het up about it, but we cannot ignore the facts."

Will they ever understand anything, like ever

[JPZ]

Will they ever understand anything, like ever

It's the same story, over and over.

[FerrariF60]

Binotto: "We worked very hard to bring updates to the car earlier than planned, but they didn’t show their worth on track.

We have to work out why and change this state of affairs, which is just not good enough for a team by the name of Ferrari."

[nani_s23]

Will they ever understand anything, like ever

I’m seeing another Stefano Domenicali in the making.

[JPZ]

Politically, in terms of dealing with the other teams and FIA, Ferrari seems to be lacking.

[Schumiklub]

I don’t know how they can’t understand a car they worked on for at least a year?! Always the same issues, always the same excuses. I haven’t been this depressed in years. I was more optimistic in 1996. 2005 is close to this year as far as expectations go. I doubt we’ll win anything this year.


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[JPZ]

I don’t know how they can’t understand a car they worked on for at least a year?! Always the same issues, always the same excuses. I haven’t been this depressed in years. I was more optimistic in 1996. 2005 is close to this year as far as expectations go. I doubt we’ll win anything this year.


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And if the engine stays the same, next year could be another repeat.

[jgonzalesm6]

Ferrari went 19yrs without winning. From 1980 to 1999.

Enzo died in 1988.

Then in 2000, Schumacher along with the Benetton team moved over to Ferrari.

[tifosi1993]

2017: Start the new formula with a car that got most downforce but an average engine

2018: Car with good downforce and the best engine

2019: Change of direction/concept, the best engine but average downforce

2020: Bad engine and average downforce

I can't believe how can they goof up so much under stable regulation. And now the some old excuses popping up once again, "the aero didn't match our expectations, correlation problems etc etc"

They don't have problems with funding or resources, but lack the right personnel to guide them around. Start hiring from outside again, Mercedes and Red Bull have their people under iron contract, but I'm sure there are talented people out there in Tracing point, Mclaren and Renault who would be more than willing to work for Ferrari.

It's time to clean the house properly. Stop promoting under qualified internal names and start hiring proper talent. Look where Mclaren is right now under James Key's guidance. Enough with the "Spaghetti Culture".

[stefa]

Will they ever understand anything, like ever

:rotfl

It is like blind leading blind.

[FerrariF60]

2017: Start the new formula with a car that got most downforce but an average engine

2018: Car with good downforce and the best engine

2019: Change of direction/concept, the best engine but average downforce

2020: Bad engine and average downforce

I can't believe how can they goof up so much under stable regulation. And now the some old excuses popping up once again, "the aero didn't match our expectations, correlation problems etc etc"

They don't have problems with funding or resources, but lack the right personnel to guide them around. Start hiring from outside again, Mercedes and Red Bull got their people under iron contract, but I'm sure there are talented people out there in Tracing point, Mclaren and Renault who would be more than willing to work for Ferrari.

It's time to clean the house properly. Stop promoting under qualified internal names and start hiring proper talent. Look where Mclaren is right now under James Key's guidance. Enough with the "Spaghetti Culture".

i beg the differ....we ONLY had the best engine because we "cheated"....tricked the sensors and used more fuel in Quali to get pole.....in races we were average at best....due to lack of downforce we couldn't work the tires to their optimum, sliding across the asphalt and wearing them prematurely....

in my opinion, that what sums up the 2019 season....

and now 2020....well we're prolly no better then we were in 2014....weak engine and weak chassis

[Ferrarichamp]

Ferrari went 19yrs without winning. From 1980 to 1999.

Enzo died in 1988.

Then in 2000, Schumacher along with the Benetton team moved over to Ferrari.

1982+1983 WCC
Michael went to Ferrari in 1996.

[JPZ]

Ferrari's last Constructors Championship was 2008, so it's now a 12 year drought, 13 if we include the Drivers Championship.

[stefa]

Ferrari's last Constructors Championship was 2008, so it's now a 12 year drought, 13 if we include the Drivers Championship.

Last time it was 21 years wait for WDC....

[FerrariF60]

Last time it was 21 years wait for WDC....

So we have a few more years to spear then???

[Vettel165]

No words needed didnt even watch this. Better to play f1 2020.

[T99]

Can we call this team incompetent now? Or do we still need to be sorry for them because they didn’t have enough time? It’s surreal that Ferrari decided to have the same concept car for this year, everyone saw last year that it was the wrong concept and what saved us was the engine, and this year instead of changing the concept they do the same? Even racing point managed to build a car that’s very close to the front, there’s no excuse. When the entire grid has 1 concept and only Ferrari have a different one, there can only be one explanation, either Ferrari is wrong or the rest of the grid is wrong, and everyone could see last year that Ferrari concept was wrong, and now we’re stuck with this shitbox for next year as well. If this isn’t incompetence then I don’t know what is

[JPZ]

So we have a few more years to spear then???

Well at the current rate, if this year and next year are a write off, we're definitely closing in.

[AJ_Hussain92]

Just I watched this from the website and it shows the difference in the cars from last year to this year, interestingly the car this year has better stability and cornering than last year but we are losing in every straight anywhere from 0.2 to 0.4 every straight. I think the engine PU we had last year was specifically designed for that car now we have a redesigned PU designed for a car which wasn't designed around the 2020 PU so as a package it's not good.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12026545/charles-leclerc-handed-three-place-styrian-gp-penalty-for-impeding

[alfaromeo]

I have been watching and cheering for Ferrari for 25 years, I only drive Italian cars, the current state of Ferrari in F1 is one of the most difficult in the entire history of this brand and they really really damage the reputation of their sports cars as well. In such a bad position despite the money, the capacities they have make such a bad car that they can be ashamed. They definitely have a problem in the lack of foreign, mainly English staff, which has dominated F1 for the last 12 years. The current management at Ferrari as a whole brand and the management of fca is not capable of making a turnaround. How to lure the best out of a Mercedes or a red bull to get to a Ferrari. They will not come, Mercedes pays them the same, they work in their country, many have a family, etc .... Just look at the case of Aldo Coste Italian born in a Ferrari, who was fired in 2012 after finishing work at Mercedes did not return to Ferrari .. .James Allison couldn't do anything at Ferrari look at him now at Mercedes, Even good Italian engineers go to work for Mercedes in England instead of the other way around. Definitely, Ferrari was left completely alone, I have nothing against the Italians, on the contrary, I am enthusiastic about Italy, but in this competition in F1 against the German-English machine, the Italians themselves will not be able to compete with Mercedes or the Red Bull. The excuses that they have to understand the car, however, are already ridiculous for the team that has the most titles in F1. They need new freshness hard leadership for new motivation. However, a maximum of 5 people know how to do this in F1 and they are not employed by Ferrari.

[alfaromeo]

Newsf1.it
Let’s be honest, redhead is no longer what fans adore, it’s a business dominated by people like Camilleri and Elkann, with no passion for motorsport and in the hands of Matthias Binott at the mercy of events. Ferrari has lost its political power, it has lost its competitiveness, on an aerodynamic level it is defeated by the superiority of the Anglo-German teams, which are now too far ahead of the Maranella engineers.

Like i said this is a BIG BIG problem. Luca dimintezemoli, Sergio Marchionne ....��

[paolo lalli]

Well said Alfa Romeo let them reap the non benefits from the seeds that they have sown.Ferrari are lousy farmers.

[h3ro]

I think hubris plays into this as well. Just because Ferrari is FERRARI doesn't mean the end result will just work out magically and everyone will just bow down because of past history.
I look at Honda and the Japanese. They took an absolute destructive beating by EVERYONE in F1 when they were with McLaren. Alonso was horrible to them. They never stopped or wavered. They kept working and developing and now have a fantastic engine and working relationship with a team like Red Bull.
Ferrari could really use that kind of work ethic. No egos, no politics. Just engineers tuning out the noise and getting to work. Lord knows Ferrari has the facilities, now they just have to put them to work.

[Brembo]

I have been watching and cheering for Ferrari for 25 years, I only drive Italian cars, the current state of Ferrari in F1 is one of the most difficult in the entire history of this brand and they really really damage the reputation of their sports cars as well. In such a bad position despite the money, the capacities they have make such a bad car that they can be ashamed. They definitely have a problem in the lack of foreign, mainly English staff, which has dominated F1 for the last 12 years. The current management at Ferrari as a whole brand and the management of fca is not capable of making a turnaround. How to lure the best out of a Mercedes or a red bull to get to a Ferrari. They will not come, Mercedes pays them the same, they work in their country, many have a family, etc .... Just look at the case of Aldo Coste Italian born in a Ferrari, who was fired in 2012 after finishing work at Mercedes did not return to Ferrari .. .James Allison couldn't do anything at Ferrari look at him now at Mercedes, Even good Italian engineers go to work for Mercedes in England instead of the other way around. Definitely, Ferrari was left completely alone, I have nothing against the Italians, on the contrary, I am enthusiastic about Italy, but in this competition in F1 against the German-English machine, the Italians themselves will not be able to compete with Mercedes or the Red Bull. The excuses that they have to understand the car, however, are already ridiculous for the team that has the most titles in F1. They need new freshness hard leadership for new motivation. However, a maximum of 5 people know how to do this in F1 and they are not employed by Ferrari.

Ferrari went for a $50 million dollar a year investment in a German only to realize it was the R Bull car not the German driver that was doing the winning.

[FerrariF60]

Ferrari went for a $50 million dollar a year investment in a German only to realize it was the R Bull car not the German driver that was doing the winning.

Lmfao......so true, I’ve said that all along

[Tony]

i beg the differ....we ONLY had the best engine because we "cheated"....tricked the sensors and used more fuel in Quali to get pole.....in races we were average at best....due to lack of downforce we couldn't work the tires to their optimum, sliding across the asphalt and wearing them prematurely....

in my opinion, that what sums up the 2019 season....

and now 2020....well we're prolly no better then we were in 2014....weak engine and weak chassis

F1 is like the Tour de France. Everyone cheats, it's just about who cheats best.... otherwise, there would be parity after so many years of this formula...

Add to the fact that Mercedes got a free 2 year head start and F1 refused to curb their dominance for the "good of the sport" the way they did to Ferrari in the early 2000's and you get to where we are now... F1 is a meaningless circus meant for the wealthy to socialize and your average joe to make the wealthy even wealthier by paying exorbitant gate prices...

[Tony]

I have been watching and cheering for Ferrari for 25 years, I only drive Italian cars, the current state of Ferrari in F1 is one of the most difficult in the entire history of this brand and they really really damage the reputation of their sports cars as well. In such a bad position despite the money, the capacities they have make such a bad car that they can be ashamed. They definitely have a problem in the lack of foreign, mainly English staff, which has dominated F1 for the last 12 years. The current management at Ferrari as a whole brand and the management of fca is not capable of making a turnaround. How to lure the best out of a Mercedes or a red bull to get to a Ferrari. They will not come, Mercedes pays them the same, they work in their country, many have a family, etc .... Just look at the case of Aldo Coste Italian born in a Ferrari, who was fired in 2012 after finishing work at Mercedes did not return to Ferrari .. .James Allison couldn't do anything at Ferrari look at him now at Mercedes, Even good Italian engineers go to work for Mercedes in England instead of the other way around. Definitely, Ferrari was left completely alone, I have nothing against the Italians, on the contrary, I am enthusiastic about Italy, but in this competition in F1 against the German-English machine, the Italians themselves will not be able to compete with Mercedes or the Red Bull. The excuses that they have to understand the car, however, are already ridiculous for the team that has the most titles in F1. They need new freshness hard leadership for new motivation. However, a maximum of 5 people know how to do this in F1 and they are not employed by Ferrari.

I get that your disappointed, but I mean there is nothing the AMG division does that competes with a Ferrari as far as street cars are concerned... There's the SLS AMG but I mean, not really as good as the best Ferrari right.... this is just a "sport" with minimal real world implications... F1 is not what it used to be 50 years ago....

[Schumiklub]

The most worrying part is that Charles said the car was good to drive. This means it’s just plain slow. It wasn’t the wrong setup or any other problem causing them to be so bad in qualifying, so there’s no room for improvement. I’m lost for words.


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[nani_s23]

I don’t get this everything “Italian” in ferrari. Although one of their driver is German. But drivers don’t design cars every year.
When ferrari won back to back titles (schumi era), it was a team with strong ability to win & clear cut vision there were no internal politics. Only Todt & brawn used to handle everything within the team, such was the freedom from LDM & his hiring.

In the current state, ferrari Management went ahead & promoted Mattia saying we need to encourage internal employees.
Yes I do agree, the preference should be given but not at the cost of Ferrari reputation & WDC/WCC title where whole Ferrari F1 fans have been waiting for.

2000-2008 we had some dominance in the sport due to ferrari was making its presence very strong both strategically & management decisions.
2009, we lost our mojo (core of the team left) there by developed worst car.
2010-2014, as Alonso joined us & we thought ferrari would do wonders by bringing back those glory years again. But again those dud cars, Alonso did his best. It masked ferrari cars performance,
2015-2020, vettel joined us & wanted to emulate Schumi. Another set of worst cars 2015 & 2016 where we just got satisfied with couple of wins.
During this phase, management got changed & we thought SM was the right person to lead.
Results were showing as 2017 & 2018 were both good cars but it’s not a complete package to end Mercs dominance.
(Drivers mistakes/strategy calls/reliability issues).
Still we as a fans got hope that at least we are in a right path due 2017 & 2018 designed cars.
Come 2019, it’s back to normal again. Another average car where it works only in quali, but in the race it struggles.
As a fan we thought may be next year that they will address the issues on race pace/tyre issues & come back with same advantage.
But it’s totally opposite of everything. Not only we designed a worst car but it gave rivals & F1 fans a chance to point a finger on Ferrari that we are cheating.
Lost reputation + competition, what else we can hope for.

I’m totally disappointed. Don’t know when we will return back to form again.

[Brembo]

The most worrying part is that Charles said the car was good to drive. This means it’s just plain slow. It wasn’t the wrong setup or any other problem causing them to be so bad in qualifying, so there’s no room for improvement. I’m lost for words.


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Just making it through quali. was a major driving feat . No Ferrari DNF was a big deal in itself. Meanwhile Lewis; not just his car was fantastic as far as he drove to get on pole.

[stefa]

So we have a few more years to spear then???

judging by performance I would say that few more will be much more. Never turns to more....

[KimiBot]

Jenson Button: "It's been a long time since we've seen both Ferraris this far back in qualifying. It's not just Ferrari as a whole as a team, or as a manufacturer, it's the whole of Italy watching this thinking why are these Ferraris not where we expect them to be. It's so much pressure at Maranello and they're going to hope there's an easy fix at Hungary, but I don't think there is one."

[JPZ]

Looks like it could be at least another 2 years of this.

[tifosi1993]

Jenson Button: "It's been a long time since we've seen both Ferraris this far back in qualifying. It's not just Ferrari as a whole as a team, or as a manufacturer, it's the whole of Italy watching this thinking why are these Ferraris not where we expect them to be. It's so much pressure at Maranello and they're going to hope there's an easy fix at Hungary, but I don't think there is one."

And he's 100% correct. Last 2 years Ferrari had power advantage over rest of the field, but that's not the case today. They can no longer hide behind the engine power.

The current Mercedes is the result of continuous development of last 3 years. The 2017 Mercedes was a 'diva', but they kept on developing the low-rake concept and now we are seeing the result. Ferrari on the other hand, had downforce advantage over Mercedes in 2017. But unlike Mercedes, they have changed the aero concept 2 times in last 3 years. And now they don't know which way to go.

Maybe they should swallow their pride and copy paste the current Mercedes. Clearly, whatever 'concept' they had/have in their mind, it's not working.

[Ferrarichamp]

It's not that dramatic Jenson. Not every single person in Italy cares about F1.

[paolo lalli]

My theory is that Ferrari f1 division could well be just a tax write off, the non care factor and going crazy with design that has failed could well point to this.

[nani_s23]

It's not that dramatic Jenson. Not every single person in Italy cares about F1.

He speaks about majority. That’s where we call ‘maximum’

Pressure is always there on Maranello, because it’s just not in Italy. Ferrari F1 fans are everywhere.

[stefa]

Jenson Button: "It's been a long time since we've seen both Ferraris this far back in qualifying. It's not just Ferrari as a whole as a team, or as a manufacturer, it's the whole of Italy watching this thinking why are these Ferraris not where we expect them to be. It's so much pressure at Maranello and they're going to hope there's an easy fix at Hungary, but I don't think there is one."

Exactly!!! In such a high tech sport there is never quick fix, especially when starting point (car concept) is WRONG!!!

[stefa]

Looks like it could be at least another 2 years of this.

It would be great if it is "just" two years. In the 80's it was whole decade!

[vcs316]

Looks like it could be at least another 2 years of this.

I have relegated myself to watching the race highlights this season.. Cannot take this misery anymore.

[IulianFerrari]

Does anyone know if it will rain today or is it going to be a dry race?

[jgonzalesm6]

Does anyone know if it will rain today or is it going to be a dry race?

Looks dry so far.

[330 p4]

Looks dry so far.

Leclerc said he had gone for an aggressive setup that should work well in the dry. Hopefully both cars do not get involved any any accidents, the car remains reliable and maybe can be the team with 3rd most points today behind the Mercs and Red Bulls assuming those top 2 finish. It will be better next weeks due to the track and FULL upgrade package.

[chinmay]

Leclerc said he had gone for an aggressive setup that should work well in the dry. Hopefully both cars do not get involved any any accidents, the car remains reliable and maybe can be the team with 3rd most points today behind the Mercs and Red Bulls assuming those top 2 finish. It will be better next weeks due to the track and FULL upgrade package.

Next week will be small upgrades as major upgrades came these week. And as Binotto confirmed that these upgrades didn't work, Hungary updates won't work either. The question is has the car remained same on pace after this big upgrade or it has become even slower?

[stefa]

Next week will be small upgrades as major upgrades came these week. And as Binotto confirmed that these upgrades didn't work, Hungary updates won't work either. The question is has the car remained same on pace after this big upgrade or it has become even slower?

How I see things. First when you build something, doesn't need necessary to be a racing car, it can be anything, if it is build with flaws from the begging as a bad concept, than there are no such upgrades that it'll make it right. You can just scarp it, throe it in a trash been and start from the blank sheet of paper with new, hopefully learned from mistakes, concept!

[nani_s23]

It’s simple ferrari changed its car concept every year. Rather than building on 2017 & 2018 cars.

[patrese86]

It's important not to look at Mercedes or Red Bull pace right now but our pace in the early stages of this race compared to last weekend.

I'm slightly more optimistic for Hungary as we seem okay through corners and it's not a power track like Austria. Never thought I'd be saying this a year ago!

[330 p4]

It’s simple ferrari changed its car concept every year. Rather than building on 2017 & 2018 cars.

So true. 2019 wing changes threw them off they thought downforce could not be replaced so went all in on low drag. Weird thing is this years concept with more downforce and that engine probably would of put them in a huge title fight last year. As engine was never proven to be cheating could of had the title last year but didn't. They need stability, nothing happens overnight, they should stick to a concept and chisel away at it, may take a few years but as long as theres a general trend of improvement it's the foundation to future success.

[330 p4]

Next week will be small upgrades as major upgrades came these week. And as Binotto confirmed that these upgrades didn't work, Hungary updates won't work either. The question is has the car remained same on pace after this big upgrade or it has become even slower?

Hungary was said to be a new direction how can a front wing and floor designed for a different direction work in conjunction with existing barge boards etc that were for a different concept. The new parts were not needed this weekend it was a political move by the boss of Ferrari just to look like something is being done, he should of butted out. If Ferrari have a Merc clone for next week but not all parts were ready sticking a Merc floor and front wing on this car would not work yet we know Merc front wing and floor in conjunction with the rest of the car is the best. I am only using this as an example as Ferrari will not have a Merc clone but the upgrade needs to be judged next week with the whole package not this week.

[Cavallino]

Hungary was said to be a new direction how can a front wing and floor designed for a different direction work in conjunction with existing barge boards etc that were for a different concept. The new parts were not needed this weekend it was a political move by the boss of Ferrari just to look like something is being done, he should of butted out. If Ferrari have a Merc clone for next week but not all parts were ready sticking a Merc floor and front wing on this car would not work yet we know Merc front wing and floor in conjunction with the rest of the car is the best. I am only using this as an example as Ferrari will not have a Merc clone but the upgrade needs to be judged next week with the whole package not this week.

Hard to judge this week anyway with the rain. But it did look a bit quicker in practice.