SF23 Discussion Thread

[Toothlessrage*]

Well, compared to the '22 season - the SF is definitely looking to step up its game.
Whether we will all address all the flaws of 2022 is yet to be seen.

But, as a Tifoso I keep faith again in our team who we all share a love/hate relationship with.

Fuerza Ferrari!

[Toothlessrage*]

Spark plug ignition issue identified and fixed: Ferrari improves power unit reliability in 2023

Spark plug ignition issue was identified and fixed

LINK: https://scuderiafans.com/spark-plug-ignition-issue-identified-and-fixed-ferrari-improves-power-unit-reliability-in-2023/

[subfire91]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4J6YZk7bbM

[Tifoso]

It is time to try something completely new-winning.

[FerrariF60]

It is time to try something completely new-winning.

I’m totally with you on this one….let’s try some winning, shall we

[jgonzalesm6]

Hold on to your girdles ladies, and wait mid-season of 2023 before we all get ahead of ourselves.

Remember, it's not how you start but how you finish.

I'm sure the car will be beautiful...yet again....and Ferrari will win several GP's on the opening of the season (P1-P2 hopefully).

All of us have been thru this type of merry-go-round before..........some more than others...season after season.

[wisepie]

Hold on to your girdles ladies, and wait mid-season of 2023 before we all get ahead of ourselves.

Remember, it's not how you start but how you finish.

I'm sure the car will be beautiful...yet again....and Ferrari will win several GP's on the opening of the season (P1-P2 hopefully).

All of us have been thru this type of merry-go-round before..........some more than others...season after season.

Not sure my blood pressure can stand another merry-go-round season, it's been too frequent for this old tifoso, and I am not a lady and don't wear a girdle.;-)

[Nick Singer]

I'll be happy if we're properly 'in the mix' for wins all season, even if we have to share that nice position with a couple of other teams.

[stasera]

so the resignation of binotto will hurt us in terms of the development of this car? guys?

[WS6TransAm01]

so the resignation of binotto will hurt us in terms of the development of this car? guys?

I would think that most of the ground work on the 2023 car is already done when you consider they have to be testing in 86 days.

The major strokes have already been painted.

As for in-season development; that has been Ferrari's Achilles Heel long before Binotto was TP so I am not sure that weakness will change either way just because he has left. I hope I'm wrong.

[JPZ]

so the resignation of binotto will hurt us in terms of the development of this car? guys?

Rory Byrne is still there.

And rumours are that Simone Resta will return to Ferrari from Haas.

Also, if Vasseur is going to be the next TP, he is at least familiar dealing with Ferrari, their personnel, and of course Leclerc.

[Gilles]

The SF-75 has been designed to work well close to the ground
Can they adapt it and hope to have the best formula with the 2023 rules?
Technically, it seems unlikely
The precocious focus on the 2023 car may also have been necessary to radically change the aero concept
And Simone does not bring a different experience, since the Hass copied the SF75
We will not have the answers quickly and I already see the contradictory rumours make much talk, but with litle interest

[Toothlessrage*]

The SF-75 has been designed to work well close to the ground
Can they adapt it and hope to have the best formula with the 2023 rules?
Technically, it seems unlikely
The precocious focus on the 2023 car may also have been necessary to radically change the aero concept
And Simone does not bring a different experience, since the Hass copied the SF75
We will not have the answers quickly and I already see the contradictory rumours make much talk, but with litle interest

Hello Gilles!

What do you think of Simone Resta? Is he any good?

[Gilles]

Hello Gilles!

What do you think of Simone Resta? Is he any good?

Hi mate!

Hard to say
He did a good job with Byrne, maybe in 2017/18, I can’t remember exactly
We can’t say he pushed Alfa or Hass to the top, but things need more time than he had, also these are small teams
There already are capable people in the factory, he must manage them in the right way

[Toothlessrage*]

Hi mate!

Hard to say
He did a good job with Byrne, maybe in 2017/18, I can’t remember exactly
We can’t say he pushed Alfa or Hass to the top, but things need more time than he had, also these are small teams
There already are capable people in the factory, he must manage them in the right way

Oh okay,
Unfortunately, we will just have to wait and see.

[JacKy]

Well according to Turrini We have lost 30 HP after the engine Downtune at SPA GP.

Assuming we have done that because of reliability issues on Engine/ERS

30 HP is a lot. And the telemetry kinda confirms that the acceleration advantage disappeared after summer break.

[Brembo]

Enzo always said HP is the most important subject as far as a wining can goes. The more the better!

[SS454]

Enzo always said HP is the most important subject as far as a wining can goes. The more the better!

And he was wrong. Aerodynamics are far more important. However, a team with a huge power advantage can throw on loads of dirty downforce and still be fast in a straight line.

[Toothlessrage*]

Ferrari 675: new TJI system on the PU, flexible wings, aero efficiency, and RB18 style bottom

Link: https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2022/12/f1-ferrari-675-pu-update.html?refresh_ce=306

AERO UPDATES:

According to the information collected by Formula One Technical Analysis, the technicians within GES strongly believe in the design approach studied for the new regulatory body, apparently, they have finely understood where and how to intervene to correct the atavistic defects of the F1-75.

The objective remains the same: to " clean" the flows that envelop the single-seater and, consequently, reduce the drag generated by the red while maintaining the same load points. To put this provision into practice, work was done on managing the turbulence that is created around the front tires. Adrian Newey led the way in this area, as the very smooth profile of the RB18 speaker limited the vertical thrust peak. This feature reduced bottom sag in that area. In this way the tedious phenomenon of porpoising has been reduced, allowing the adoption of heights from the ground established by the project.

The Maranello specialists studied the Red Bull philosophy in depth, with the clear intention of adapting it and making it effective on their own car. Let's talk about the transition between the back and the diffuser which provides for a less angular connection. This solution avoids a "depressive peak" which, as a result, minimizes the infamous and somewhat harmful aerodynamic hopping, reducing it to a "minor nuisance".

PU UPDATES

Reliability is a concern that urgently needed a remedy. In fact, in the middle of the championship, the team from Modena was forced to weaken the power unit, causing evident deficits in performance. Fortunately, taking advantage of the clause relating to the aforementioned reliability, various interventions on the endothermic will guarantee a significant leap in quality in view of the 2023 world championship. The triggering cause of engine troubles is "reasoned" in the pre-combustion chamber. The problem identified concerns the heat emission peak which is recorded right in the initial phase inside the pre-chamber, a context to be avoided as it produces strong thermal and mechanical stresses. The internal combustion part of the PU 2023 will therefore attenuate this peak to ensure a natural evolution over time. The engineers worked on ignition retardation to flatten the heat curve. To carry out this operation, in addition to intervening in the atomization of the mixture, an attempt was made to make the jet inside the chamber more turbulent. This system has already been developed in recent years when technical partner Mahle supplied Ferrari with the TJI (Turbulent Jet Ignition) system.

We understand that the mechanism has been refined in recent months, now able to generate a highly turbulent flow capable of filling the chamber in the best possible way. The factor that favors self-ignition in different points of the combustion chamber and, automatically, increases the thrust on the piston, eliminating the problems suffered during 2022.

[FerrariF60]

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2023 Ferrari concept

[racingbradley]

looks like we may have got rid of the black livery.:-D

[Brembo]

looks like we may have got rid of the black livery.:-D

My name is still on the car!!!!:rotfl

[Gilles]

I would think that most of the ground work on the 2023 car is already done when you consider they have to be testing in 86 days.

The major strokes have already been painted.

As for in-season development; that has been Ferrari's Achilles Heel long before Binotto was TP so I am not sure that weakness will change either way just because he has left. I hope I'm wrong.

Like everyone. I read this paint story some time ago
Am i alone to find that a bit too early to be truth?

[nani_s23]

675: great work on aerodynamics and engine. Revealed issue on reinforced PU that caused failures and required significant correction. Lots of 2022 budget diverted to 2023 frame, suspension and front axle

@formu1a_uno

[nani_s23]

Frédéric Vasseur will become the new Team Principal of Scuderia Ferrari! The decision was made in Maranello. The announcement is expected no later than the end of this year 2022.

[Gilles]

The SF-75 has been designed to work well close to the ground
Can they adapt it and hope to have the best formula with the 2023 rules?
Technically, it seems unlikely
The precocious focus on the 2023 car may also have been necessary to radically change the aero concept
And Simone does not bring a different experience, since the Hass copied the SF75
We will not have the answers quickly and I already see the contradictory rumours make much talk, but with litle interest

My post is a little too afirmative
What I was trying to say is that it seems to me that the SF-75 was probably more than the other cars, limited in its ability to operate with high ground clearance and probably less adaptable. As a result, they will need to at least review the operating philosophy of the floor which, in terms of experience and budget, provides a advantage to the others.
Byrne can of course work miracles, but Mercedes and RB will not be inactive
I really hope to see the top 3 teams to fight, with a superior Ferrari engine to match any RB advantage elsewhere
Forza Charles

[Gilles]

Frédéric Vasseur will become the new Team Principal of Scuderia Ferrari! The decision was made in Maranello. The announcement is expected no later than the end of this year 2022.

Fine!

[Toothlessrage*]

Frédéric Vasseur will become the new Team Principal of Scuderia Ferrari! The decision was made in Maranello. The announcement is expected no later than the end of this year 2022.

Could you kindly share the source from where it is confirmed?

[Toothlessrage*]

My post is a little too afirmative
What I was trying to say is that it seems to me that the SF-75 was probably more than the other cars, limited in its ability to operate with high ground clearance and probably less adaptable. As a result, they will need to at least review the operating philosophy of the floor which, in terms of experience and budget, provides a advantage to the others.
Byrne can of course work miracles, but Mercedes and RB will not be inactive
I really hope to see the top 3 teams to fight, with a superior Ferrari engine to match any RB advantage elsewhere
Forza Charles

Fuerza Ferrari!

[jgonzalesm6]

Could you kindly share the source from where it is confirmed?

https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-vasseur-ferrari-teamchef-favorit-51960/

[Toothlessrage*]

https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-vasseur-ferrari-teamchef-favorit-51960/

Thank you

[Toothlessrage*]

“Simone Resta going back to Ferrari as new technical director” – Carlo Vanzini

Link: https://scuderiafans.com/simone-resta-going-back-to-ferrari-as-new-technical-director-carlo-vanzini/

[Toothlessrage*]

F1, Ferrari 675: visible changes to be made to the suspension

Link: https://scuderiafans.com/f1-ferrari-675-visible-changes-to-be-made-to-suspension/

[aroutis]

Having Resta as TD is excellent news , with Vasseur having to focus as TP.
The restructure has already begun.

[Toothlessrage*]

Having Resta as TD is excellent news , with Vasseur having to focus as TP.
The restructure has already begun.

We'll just have to wait and see whether it'll all be worth it.
It'll definitely be an uphill battle for SF.

But, I'm pretty sure we can do it.

[Tifoso]

We'll just have to wait and see whether it'll all be worth it.
It'll definitely be an uphill battle for SF.

But, I'm pretty sure we can do it.
I am confident. Making the decision to can some of the old baggage was probably the hard part.

[stefa]

Promising...
https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1604026659757326336?t=YYpGFA9Zt0sdQGo-L0dmvQ&s=19

[RobertMcDougall]

My post is a little too afirmative
What I was trying to say is that it seems to me that the SF-75 was probably more than the other cars, limited in its ability to operate with high ground clearance and probably less adaptable. As a result, they will need to at least review the operating philosophy of the floor which, in terms of experience and budget, provides a advantage to the others.
Byrne can of course work miracles, but Mercedes and RB will not be inactive
I really hope to see the top 3 teams to fight, with a superior Ferrari engine to match any RB advantage elsewhere
Forza Charles

We should hope for the best. And doing some efforts to win will be a good option.
It's not how you start it's all about how you windup!

[FerrariF60]

Promising...
https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1604026659757326336?t=YYpGFA9Zt0sdQGo-L0dmvQ&s=19

As much as I’d like to believe that, and I am sure the team worked hard at fixing the issue....I’ll believe it when I see good engine reliability every weekend in 2023.

Let’s hope that the car as a WHOLE will be good enough to fight for wins at every track....especially after the summer break and beyond

[PURE PASSION]

Promising...
https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1604026659757326336?t=YYpGFA9Zt0sdQGo-L0dmvQ&s=19
And a post in that tweet from
Giuliano Duchessa "Target is to have some more hp than Bahrain 2022 for more time. There is still a little to do but looking good"

[Galvonero]

https://racingnews365.com/first-details-of-ferraris-2023-f1-car-revealed/amp

[Liscia]

There are enough teams and there are more than enough teams at the back of the pack. Old team out - new team in, period.

[paneristi]

I am confident. Making the decision to can some of the old baggage was probably the hard part.

Precisely what I’d like to point out :thumb

[jgonzalesm6]

There are enough teams and there are more than enough teams at the back of the pack. Old team out - new team in, period.

Wait till 2026 as 2 new teams will join(Porsche and Audi).

Here are some possibilities as well: Andretti MIGHT (stressed highly) might join. Ford looks to be a "sponsor" for RedBull. (engine badging).

Honda will be back if they aren't already. (2023 Honda badging on the RedBull and Alpha Tauri).

Oh yeah, it's possible (stressed highly) Susie Wolff will be the TP for Williams.

[Liscia]

I've been monitoring these possibilities with dread and hope F! doesn't end up like
NASCAR bee swarms!

[SS454]

I am very curious if Ferrari will continue with their bathtub sidepods. It proved to be a design that worked, but so did Red Bull's traditional coke bottle design. It was also evident that the SF75 was somewhat limited in development potential. Also curious if they will make any significant changes to the nose/front wing. With the 2022 modular nose, I expected some redesigns throughout the season, but there was virtually nothing done to the front wing/nose. They never even moved the nose to the second element.

[Toothlessrage*]

I am very curious if Ferrari will continue with their bathtub sidepods. It proved to be a design that worked, but so did Red Bull's traditional coke bottle design. It was also evident that the SF75 was somewhat limited in development potential. Also curious if they will make any significant changes to the nose/front wing. With the 2022 modular nose, I expected some redesigns throughout the season, but there was virtually nothing done to the front wing/nose. They never even moved the nose to the second element.

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[Greig]

I am very curious if Ferrari will continue with their bathtub sidepods. It proved to be a design that worked, but so did Red Bull's traditional coke bottle design. It was also evident that the SF75 was somewhat limited in development potential. Also curious if they will make any significant changes to the nose/front wing. With the 2022 modular nose, I expected some redesigns throughout the season, but there was virtually nothing done to the front wing/nose. They never even moved the nose to the second element.

Again the limited development myth thrown around, Ferrari had very good updates and were easily a match for Red Bull until the TD and stopping development in favour of 2023.

[racingbradley]

let's hope the 2023 car is worth the sweetheart;-)

[FerrariF60]

let's hope the 2023 car is worth the sacrifice.;-)

don't we usually say that year over year since.....well 2009

[stefa]

don't we usually say that year over year since.....well 2009

:rotfl

[racingbradley]

don't we usually say that year over year since.....well 2009

We do but this one is allegedly a bomb. :roll
Time will tell.

[FerrariF60]

We do but this one is allegedly a bomb. :roll
Time will tell.

hopefully a bomb in a good way and NOT engines blowing up every other weekend

i try to be cautiously optimistic too, but yeah, time will tell

[Tifoso]

I am confident that if the past decade has taught me anything, it’s to not be confident.
Actions, not words.

[jgonzalesm6]

Launch date for the 2023 car is on February 14th. (Valentines Day)

[racingbradley]

Launch date for the 2023 car is on February 14th. (Valentines Day)

Let's hope it's a sweetheart. ;-)

[FerrariF60]

Let's hope it's a sweetheart. ;-)

Never mind sweetheart, let’s hope it’s a beast ON TRACK

[racingbradley]

Never mind sweetheart, let’s hope it’s a beast ON TRACK

Touche :rotfl

[stefa]

I am confident that if the past decade has taught me anything, it’s to not be confident.
Actions, not words.

EXACTLY!!!!

[wisepie]

A Valentine's Day gift for us tifosi which proves to be a winner with reliability and power will be something to cherish!:pray

[KimiBot]

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Looks good, I like it. Next year is ours, fastest and so on. And FV as TP, so finally some positive feelings.

[stefa]

A Valentine's Day gift for us tifosi which proves to be a winner with reliability and power will be something to cherish!:pray

Will be called VALENTIN!

[Tifoso]

:-D

[wisepie]

Will be called VALENTIN!

As long as it's not painted pink!

[stefa]

As long as it's not painted pink!

:thumb

[FerrariF60]

As long as it's not painted pink!

oh God, that'd be horrible...unless it's matte pink...just kidding

[racingbradley]

oh God, that'd be horrible...unless it's matte pink...just kidding

i just hope we have a really fast reliable car even if it is ugly.

[stefa]

i just hope we have a really fast reliable car even if it is ugly.

Agree. Let's have a monster car, that is fas and reliable, as F1 is not a beauty contest

[Brembo]

i just hope we have a really fast reliable car even if it is ugly.

`And equal for both drivers! WCC points galore!!

[Toothlessrage*]

RUMOUR

Ferrari project 675: Over one second faster than the F1-75 in the simulator

Link: https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-675-over-one-second-faster-than-the-f1-75-in-the-simulator/

[stefa]

RUMOUR

Ferrari project 675: Over one second faster than the F1-75 in the simulator

Link: https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-675-over-one-second-faster-than-the-f1-75-in-the-simulator/

:lou

Every year same old story!
We are always winners in preseasons rumours But those are just rumours, and I am too old and experience to get caught on the,. So.. SEEING IS BELEIVING!!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

RUMOUR

Ferrari project 675: Over one second faster than the F1-75 in the simulator

Link: https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-675-over-one-second-faster-than-the-f1-75-in-the-simulator/

Tired of the rumours, even if it turns out to be true. Keep your heads down, mouths shut and just show up and beat everyone!

And don't worry, if it turns out we found 1 second, Toto will be speed dialing his friends at the FIA to make changes due to safety, or to cry that we are somehow cheating.

[FerrariF60]

Tired of the rumours, even if it turns out to be true. Keep your heads down, mouths shut and just show up and beat everyone!

And don't worry, if it turns out we found 1 second, Toto will be speed dialing his friends at the FIA to make changes due to safety, or to cry that we are somehow cheating.

ha, ha....you beat me to it....everytime Ferrari finds something to make the car quicker, they must be cheating or bend the rules somehow.....but IF Merc is quick, the FIA is turning a blind eye and nothing happens.....OR they let it fly for the rest of the year and ban it the next

but in Ferrari's case, we had to modify the floor mid year and raise the ride height so that Merc would start to be competitive again.....bunch of BS if you ask me

it seems like Ferrari of OLD has lost its way and have NO say about it anymore....and now Merc is pulling the strings

[PURE PASSION]

when according to the rumours Ferrari's development is going more than well but i'm not allowing myself to believe it until i see it with my own eyes

https://www.facebook.com/100048786040272/videos/1363895181047526/

[FerrariF60]

when according to the rumours Ferrari's development is going more than well but i'm not allowing myself to believe it until i see it with my own eyes
[video]https://www.facebook.com/100048786040272/videos/1363895181047526/[/url]

Exactly; I’ll believe it when I see it.

I promise I won’t get too optimistic again, (like i used to do in previous years) if we excel in winter tests and top the time sheets; I will wait cautiously until the beginning of the season, and after 4-5 races it should give us an idea if we have a BEAST of a car or not and where exactly we stand against the rest.

[JPZ]

RUMOUR

Ferrari project 675: Over one second faster than the F1-75 in the simulator

Link: https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-675-over-one-second-faster-than-the-f1-75-in-the-simulator/

Ferrari are going to have to create a beast of a car to offset strategy.

Hopefully this will be the one.

[Brembo]

After 5 races if we are not in 1st we will again more than likely be among the losers! Almost is nowhere!

[aroutis]

Ferrari are going to have to create a beast of a car to offset strategy.

Hopefully this will be the one.

We will need to see what happens this year on 2 fronts :
1. strategy
2. delivery of updates in the season.

This is what will decide the season, I have faith that the car will probably be faster than even the RBR at the beginning (and unless cheating big time, Merc of course).
And, of course it's time Elkkan stops the doormatt treatment in politics.

[FerrariF60]

We will need to see what happens this year on 2 fronts :
1. strategy
2. delivery of updates in the season.

This is what will decide the season, I have faith that the car will probably be faster than even the RBR at the beginning (and unless cheating big time, Merc of course).
And, of course it's time Elkkan stops the doormatt treatment in politics.

See the thing is, all the updates the teams will bring during the year will be dictated by the BUDGE CAP, one cannot just throw parts left, right and center at a car anymore. So the updates that Ferrari will bring they MUST work if we are to keep up with red fools and Merc during the season.

It’s gonna be interesting to watch which team will bring a LOT of updates and which team will be vocal about it like Matia was last season.

Time will tell

[Tony]

:lou

Every year same old story!
We are always winners in preseasons rumours But those are just rumours, and I am too old and experience to get caught on the,. So.. SEEING IS BELEIVING!!!!

That's 1 second faster than last year's car, which was slower than last year's Red Bull. It doesn't mean they will be 1 second faster than Red Bull.

[ntukza]

“Simone Resta going back to Ferrari as new technical director” – Carlo Vanzini

Link: https://scuderiafans.com/simone-resta-going-back-to-ferrari-as-new-technical-director-carlo-vanzini/

What was his last position at Ferrari?

[Gilles]

What was his last position at Ferrari?

Chief drsigner, but it was december rumor
The rumor now is about Enrico Cardile to become TD

[Gilles]

That's 1 second faster than last year's car, which was slower than last year's Red Bull. It doesn't mean they will be 1 second faster than Red Bull.

The car was often as fast as the RB last year, but not able to keep pace in the race after RB optimised its car.
We can find 1s on the simulator, the rules are new
The thing is that we have to partly review our concept and probably to copy RB a bit
But the RB was better than our car and so Newey has a lead now
It may be difficult for us, but who knows...

[JPZ]

The car was often as fast as the RB last year, but not able to keep pace in the race after RB optimised its car.
We can find 1s on the simulator, the rules are new
The thing is that we have to partly review our concept and probably to copy RB a bit
But the RB was better than our car and so Newey has a lead now
It may be difficult for us, but who knows...

If not for the tyre degradation issues, race pace would be have been competitive for most of the races.

Hopefully this is sorted out.

[Gilles]

If not for the tyre degradation issues, race pace would be have been competitive for most of the races.

Hopefully this is sorted out.

Right
It appears that it was due to a floor load deficiency that we were unable to correct any longer by adding drag due to our power loss and the effectiveness of the RB aero
We have to find the load by reworking the concepts of our floor and our sidepods
In the meantime, in a context of budget restriction, the RB can push forward what it already has and also new ideas.
And Newey never runs out of ideas
I hope we will have the right weapon, but RB is favorite

[brucewayne]

Right
It appears that it was due to a floor load deficiency that we were unable to correct any longer by adding drag due to our power loss and the effectiveness of the RB aero
We have to find the load by reworking the concepts of our floor and our sidepods
In the meantime, in a context of budget restriction, the RB can push forward what it already has and also new ideas.
And Newey never runs out of ideas
I hope we will have the right weapon, but RB is favorite

Reasonable explanation

[bkircher]

Have there been any leaks as to what the team gear is gonna look like?

[ferrari1.8t]

Have there been any leaks as to what the team gear is gonna look like?

Whatever it looks like, I hope Ferrari will finally start making shirts/polos in DriFit material. So many other teams use this material and it makes for a better fit and feel. It also helps when your watching a race in direct 30 degree sunlight lol.

[FerrariF60]

Whatever it looks like, I hope Ferrari will finally start making shirts/polos in DriFit material. So many other teams use this material and it makes for a better fit and feel. It also helps when your watching a race in direct 30 degree sunlight lol.

i know eh....those grandstands at the Monteral GP can get pretty scorching hot....but i like the heat...better than in 2011 when the race lasted 5 hours and it was raining like crazy.....lol

[jgonzalesm6]

Have there been any leaks as to what the team gear is gonna look like?


Whatever it looks like, I hope Ferrari will finally start making shirts/polos in DriFit material. So many other teams use this material and it makes for a better fit and feel. It also helps when your watching a race in direct 30 degree sunlight lol.

So Schwartzman practiced in the SF71 two days ago in Fiorano................Sainz practiced in the same car yesterday and Leclerc practiced in the same car today. Vasseur was present today with Leclerc.

I saw staff and drivers and nothing indicated to me of the new 2023 team gear. It all looked like last years team gear.

[ferrari1.8t]

i know eh....those grandstands at the Monteral GP can get pretty scorching hot....but i like the heat...better than in 2011 when the race lasted 5 hours and it was raining like crazy.....lol

Oh I definitely like the heat as well! Last year in Miami; I was drenched with sweat by the end of each day.

[da_one]

An improvement of 1 second is good, but it's not all that is needed. Ferrari should improve:

1. reliability as being fast is useless if you cannot finish the race
2. tire wear as this is our major weakness after the TD last season, it went downhill from then on
3. strategy and changing strategy on the fly as a fast driver with a fast car can still lose it in the pits or if something happens on the track beyond their control.

[sxviper698]

Ferrari need 100 hp difference to the rest and than we can go on a string of championships that is the only way! That is what i believe Merc had over the field when they had their string of championships. They may have even had more in the bank.

[Tifoso]

So,
They who think we win both titles, finally, raise you hands.

*raises hand*

[Tifoso]

Ferrari need 100 hp difference to the rest and than we can go on a string of championships that is the only way! That is what i believe Merc had over the field when they had their string of championships. They may have even had more in the bank.
Enzo would approve.

[FerrariF60]

So,
They who think we win both titles, finally, raise you hands.

*raises hand*

be nice wouldn't it???? but i will keep my feet on the ground for now and wait until 5-6 races into the season to give us a clear picture of the pecking order....

we need quite a few things worked out IF we are to have a chance at the championships like better strategy group, a reliable engine as well as good in season development

we'll see, time will tell mate

[PURE PASSION]

be nice wouldn't it???? but i will keep my feet on the ground for now and wait until 5-6 races into the season to give us a clear picture of the pecking order....

we need quite a few things worked out IF we are to have a chance at the championships like better strategy group, a reliable engine as well as good in season development

we'll see, time will tell mate

ι will wait till the end of the season !!:-D

[Tifoso]

ι will wait till the end of the season !!:-D

:rotfl

[RM-Ferrari]

The revs 🔊😍😍 Let's get this party started 😈


https://scuderiafans.com/listen-ferrari-fire-up-their-2023-f1-challenger-for-the-first-time/

[stefa]

Apparently 2023 team wear
https://twitter.com/Gianludale27/status/1622266418933768193?s=20&t=GZO3bAMiINGBhYqpefC2dw

[fratelliferrari]

Apparently 2023 team wear
https://twitter.com/Gianludale27/status/1622266418933768193?s=20&t=GZO3bAMiINGBhYqpefC2dw

Iam not impressed…Pretty boring! I was definitely hoping for something better!

[Gilles]

https://www.circusf1.com/f14/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Ferrari_F1_2023-vs-2022-1024x419.jpg
From Instagram, five days ago :
https://www.instagram.com/p/CoFe-UcteGS/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=6cb61682-3a0d-4cfa-b58f-6c1498451b62&ig_mid=2F1FE21D-8167-46DC-864C-346E65FAD3E4

[ferrari1.8t]

Iam not impressed…Pretty boring! I was definitely hoping for something better!

Yup, barely a refresh. Looks like the special yellow Monza edition, just red. I was definitely hoping for drifit. Ughh, looks like more sweating for me lmao

[stefa]

Yup, barely a refresh. Looks like the special yellow Monza edition, just red. I was definitely hoping for drifit. Ughh, looks like more sweating for me lmao

Here is more
https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1622376302614306817?t=8Bvw4vT4mdLH3LTp78RMMA&s=19

[Brembo]

Great car photo! I'm happy to see "Brembo" always on the car!!

[wisepie]

Iam not impressed…Pretty boring! I was definitely hoping for something better!

I wasn't too keen on the 2022 team gear until I got used to it, too much black, but the 2023 version does look a little bland in comparison. Never mind, fratelli, you will still get it!

[fratelliferrari]

I wasn't too keen on the 2022 team gear until I got used to it, too much black, but the 2023 version does look a little bland in comparison. Never mind, fratelli, you will still get it!

You are right mate! You know me too well on this subject ;-) Eventhough Iam not the biggest fan of the design I will still buy the official Ferrari teamsweater once I can get my hands on to it!

[wisepie]

You are right mate! You know me too well on this subject ;-) Eventhough Iam not the biggest fan of the design I will still buy the official Ferrari teamsweater once I can get my hands on to it!

Good luck and I'm sure you will soon be modelling it!:-D

[wisepie]

The 2023 Ferrari will be called the SF23, not terribly original but it makes sense!

[FerrariF60]

The 2023 Ferrari will be called the SF23, not terribly original but it makes sense!

i would have much rather preferred to be called F2023.....like the OLD winning days

[Tifoso]

Me, too.

[Alonsomaniac]

SF23??
Scuderia Finishes 2 and 3?
Please change name............

[Brembo]

SF23??
Scuderia Finishes 2 and 3?
Please change name............

Great post! :rotfl

[Tony]

We shouldn't read anything into the launches of the top 3-5 teams, they'll be mainly livery launches...

[JChan]

SF23??
Scuderia Finishes 2 and 3?
Please change name............

Guaranteed of WCC already, finishing 2-3 all the race

[FerrariF60]

Guaranteed of WCC already, finishing 2-3 all the race

WCC is more important to me than wdc....so if we win that i'm fine with it....
but it would be super nice if one of our drivers would win the WDC as well....what would you call that?? Cherry on the cake....ha, ha...

[stefa]

WCC is more important to me than wdc....so if we win that i'm fine with it....
but it would be super nice if one of our drivers would win the WDC as well....what would you call that?? Cherry on the cake....ha, ha...

Exactly!

[stefa]

Little preview of SF23
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[Tifoso]

They’ve figured out antigravity!
Take that Red Bull

[stefa]

They’ve figured out antigravity!
Take that Red Bull
:thumb:rotfl

[samboozik]

Little preview of SF23
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Given our team's incompetence, I wouldn't be surprised if the the car fell off these Jacks :rotfl

[Gilles]

Given our team's incompetence, I wouldn't be surprised if the the car fell off these Jacks :rotfl

It also surprised me, but it looks like the trestles used at each gp for assembling cars
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/kuala-lumpur-malaysia-september-28-260nw-739607851.jpg

[Gilles]

Slim nose?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FowhpoOXwAADllP?format=jpg&name=medium

[arcabe]

still the same sidepod. But it is beautiful.

[patrese86]

The rear wing is beautiful

[jgonzalesm6]

The rear wing is beautiful

I would have liked the Ferrari lettering on the rear wing yellow instead of white.

[Toothlessrage*]

I know that the performance matters the most, but; did anyone catch the Ceva logo placement/the black-patch?

[patrese86]

I would have liked the Ferrari lettering on the rear wing yellow instead of white.

I know what you mean but it's an improvement over Velas.

A great car launch I thought, great to see it on track.

[jgonzalesm6]

The engineers didn't go as deep as last year regarding the concave spooning on top of the sidepods trailing down the engine cover....interesting.

[jgonzalesm6]

Wing diverters on the Ferrari front wing. These were blocked last year when Mercedes introduced them on their W13. These will likely get taken off.

[tifosi1993]

https://www.formule1.nl/app/uploads/2023/02/SO_2023_Profile.jpg
https://www.formule1.nl/app/uploads/2023/02/SO_2023_Rear_3_4.jpg
https://www.formule1.nl/app/uploads/2023/02/SF_2023_Front3_4.jpg
https://www.formule1.nl/app/uploads/2023/02/SO_2023_Dead_Rear_high_close1-1125x1500.jpg

What a looker :love

[tifosi1993]

The car looks lean and mean. F1-75 had the best concept, but Ferrari refused to develop that strong base.

I'm glad that they kept the original concept and polished it more with the SF23.

[jgonzalesm6]

Charles Leclerc drives 2023 Ferrari on track for first time, with Carlos on the team radio!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sxFBe5Dnzc&t=94s

[ferrari1.8t]

Absolutely beautiful machine! Let’s hope she’s fast, reliable and a winner!

Hilarious to read all the but-hurt Mercedes fans already crying that our car is illegal. It was literally just launched :rotfl

Did these trolls not watch the last 10 years of F1 and all the special treatment Merc gets? Hilarious!

[Toothlessrage*]

Absolutely beautiful machine! Let’s hope she’s fast, reliable and a winner!

Hilarious to read all the but-hurt Mercedes fans already crying that our car is illegal. It was literally just launched :rotfl

Did these trolls not watch the last 10 years of F1 and all the special treatment Merc gets? Hilarious!

Why are they saying our car is illegal?

[ferrari1.8t]

Why are they saying our car is illegal?

The winglets on the front wing, banned off of Mercedes last year. (Probably just a launch spec for us unless we found a loophole)

Wings next to the roll-hoop….

[tifosi1993]

It wasn't banned. Other teams threatened protest and Mercedes decided not to use it. The FIA didn't deem the wing "illegal".

[gvera]

The winglets on the front wing, banned off of Mercedes last year. (Probably just a launch spec for us unless we found a loophole)

Excerpts from Autosport

Regarding Mercedes wing last year:

The rules stated that, while such slot gap separators were allowed, they were not supposed to deliver a direct aerodyamic influence.
The regulations stated that such strakes could be fitted ‘for primarily mechanical, structural or measurement reasons.”

However, a dive into the regulations has explained why Ferrari has pushed ahead with the design.

As part of revised technical regulations for 2023 that were published in early December, the FIA removed the key sentence that laid down the requirement for such strakes to be ‘primarily’ for mechanical, structural or measurement reasons.

This means that as long as the slot gap separators provide a ‘structural connection’ between consecutive front wing profiles, and comply with strict measurement requirements, then they are now fully legal – no matter how much of an aerodynamic boost they deliver.

[speedmaster]

Looks like we are the only one who has more color

[FerrariF60]

The car looks ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL...I hope they will keep the FERRARI on the rear wing
It looked so good last year when they had it fir the Monza Race

[FerrariF60]

The car looks ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL...I hope they will keep the FERRARI on the rear wing
It looked so good last year when they had it fir the Monza Race

[WS6TransAm01]

We knew it was going to be beautiful, now I just hope it's fast and reliable.

[FerrariF60]

We knew it was going to be beautiful, now I just hope it's fast and reliable.

true indeed...i too am hoping for a FAST and RELIABLE car this year.....as for beauty, i think hands down it WON the beauty contests out of all of them...and we haven't even seen the Fugly Zero pod Merc,....lol

[stefa]

Regarding FW

https://twitter.com/fiagirly/status/1625483845800759298?t=NWGbpkc8lvOAPO-mnq3D-A&s=19

[stefa]

We knew it was going to be beautiful, now I just hope it's fast and reliable.

Exactly! And offcourse without strategy fudge ups!

[stefa]

It is not becaze it is Ferrari and I am Tifoso, but SF23 is the most beautiful car!!!:love
Only one small thing I don't like is black patch for Ceva advertising.

[FerrariF60]

It is not becaze it is Ferrari and I am Tifoso, but SF23 is the most beautiful car!!!:love
Only one small thing I don't like is black patch for Ceva advertising.

totally agree with you on this one, but sponsors bring LOTS of money, and they are paying BIG BUCKS to have that advertised on our car....but yeah, it would have looked so much better if that spot would have been RED

[stefa]

Presentation
https://www.youtube.com/live/KSN8xIUT4k8?feature=share

[stefa]

totally agree with you on this one, but sponsors bring LOTS of money, and they are paying BIG BUCKS to have that advertised on our car....but yeah, it would have looked so much better if that spot would have been RED

Agree! Let that be the only one thing we don't like about SF23

[FerrariF60]

Agree! Let that be the only one thing we don't like about SF23

exactly....the car is just absolutely beautiful....and if it is a strong title contender this year and wins us lots of races and the WCC....i am sure we'll forget about that CEVA sponsor

[PURE PASSION]

Benedetto Vigna, Ferrari CEO:

“The Ferrari SF-23 will be unprecedented in terms of speed.”

[FerrariF60]

Benedetto Vigna, Ferrari CEO:

“The Ferrari SF-23 will be unprecedented in terms of speed.”

WOW, those are some strong words

[Tifoso]

https://www.formule1.nl/app/uploads/2023/02/SO_2023_Profile.jpg
https://www.formule1.nl/app/uploads/2023/02/SO_2023_Rear_3_4.jpg
https://www.formule1.nl/app/uploads/2023/02/SF_2023_Front3_4.jpg
https://www.formule1.nl/app/uploads/2023/02/SO_2023_Dead_Rear_high_close1-1125x1500.jpg

What a looker :love
It’s gorgeous!

[Tifoso]

Thanks to all who posted videos! :wine

[ferrari4life]

WOW, those are some strong words

You could read that statement multiple ways :-) hope he means in a positive direction.

[brucewayne]

Benedetto Vigna, Ferrari CEO:

“The Ferrari SF-23 will be unprecedented in terms of speed.”

That's the elite mindset that we need all the time.
The car is a beauty.

[SS454]

I think the body work of the car looks even better than last year. Though the livery could be better. The black patch around Ceva looks out of place and sticks out like a sore thumb. Last year it was over red and looked much better.

[FerrariF60]

I think the body work of the car looks even better than last year. Though the livery could be better. The black patch around Ceva looks out of place and sticks out like a sore thumb. Last year it was over red and looked much better.

too late for that; the team already made up their mind and also the team apparel has the same black patch on all the clothing, so no way back now...

but it will help in differentiating between the Alfa and Ferrari on track.....LOL

[Smintlemon]

Seem there‘s kind of s-duct.
omnicorse.it
F1 | Segreto Ferrari: scoperto un condotto S-duct nella panciaLa SF-23 è un'evoluzione spinta della F1-75, ma gli aerodinamici del Cavallino hanno introdotto una novità assoluta sulla rossa che hanno celato nelle immagini, ma che hanno deciso di utilizzare fin dal primo giro in pista a Fiorano. Sotto alla pancia c'è una presa d'aria che porta il flusso sopra alla fiancata, riproducendo un concetto che negli anni passati si era visto fra muso e parte superiore del telaio. L'idea non sarà facilmente copiabile e potrebbe essere un asso che Maranello si gioca...

[Smintlemon]

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[Tony]

8120

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo7TD2lWcAIWPRH?format=jpg&name=medium

[Alonsomaniac]

She (this car is definitely female) is a stunning Italian beauty. Maybe they should call her Gina.

[ferrari1.8t]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo7TD2lWcAIWPRH?format=jpg&name=medium

Toto must already be on the phone to lodge his complaints :lol

Remember, if Ferrari do it; it’s cheating. If Mercedes do it; it’s ingenious!

[Tony]

Toto must already be on the phone to lodge his complaints :lol

Remember, if Ferrari do it; it’s cheating. If Mercedes do it; it’s ingenious!

Most definitely lol!

I'm really curious where the inlet is for that outlet... is it the nose, or the floor of the car?

[da_one]

So, the innovations of Ferrari's new challenger have been exposed for everyone to see (except those underneath and inside the body). I guess they have no choice since the budget cap prevents teams from presenting a dummy. Except when your team is Mercedes, and your team boss is Toto Wolff and your driver is Lewis Hamilton. The FIA always find exceptions for these trio :lol

[Rishu]

So, the innovations of Ferrari's new challenger has been exposed for everyone to see (except those underneath and inside the body). I guess they have no choice since the budget cap prevents teams from presenting a dummy. Except when your team is Mercedes, and your team boss is Toto Wolff and your driver is Lewis Hamilton. The FIA always find exceptions for these trio :lol

Yeah, too many details shown and then this launch in front of public and cameras. Red Bull are the wily foxes, never show the real deal, only stupid online launches. I hope our bravery is rewarded and I'm sure there is much more to the car than what these pictures show

[da_one]

Benedetto Vigna, Ferrari CEO:

“The Ferrari SF-23 will be unprecedented in terms of speed.”

Speed is not everything, as proven by Red Bull and even Mercedes to some degree last season. Sure Ferrari had more poles, but the ability to adapt to various race conditions, reliability, and tire management is key. So it remains to be seen if we improved in those areas.

[Rishu]

Add pit wall calls to it

[tifosi1993]

@Greig

Please rename this thread to: "SF23 Discussion Thread"

[tifosi1993]

F1-75 had the most downforce out of all last year. Now add in the 2023 engine, even more redefined aero, I have zero doubt that the SF23 will be the fastest car in Bahrain.

But it doesn't matter how much faster the car is at the beginning, sure, it's always ideal to start the season with the strongest package. But everything depends on our in-season development and how fast we can bring in working parts to the track.

[FerrariF60]

F1-75 had the most downforce out of all last year. Now add in the 2023 engine, even more redefined aero, I have zero doubt that the SF23 will be the fastest car in Bahrain.

But it doesn't matter how much faster the car is at the beginning, sure, it's always ideal to start the season with the strongest package. But everything depends on our in-season development and how fast we can bring in working parts to the track.

i agree to this, but you have to remember that with the budget being teh way it is, NOW it is even more critical to bring updates that actually work and not spend loads of money on stuff that "may" be working and then they see the trash bin...

so it's gonna be an interesting year none the less

[stefa]

She (this car is definitely female) is a stunning Italian beauty. Maybe they should call her Gina.

I've already called it VALENTIN, but if you say its female than VALENTINA :-D

[stefa]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo7TD2lWcAIWPRH?format=jpg&name=medium

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[FerrariF60]

8121

Wonder what that is, and how beneficial performancewise will it be??
Also how much laptime will it give us, and is it easily copied like the a lot of teams did with the F-duct back in 2012

[GustavoTrunci]

Any news about our car today?

Wouldn't it do the 100km at Imola??

[wisepie]

I've already called it VALENTIN, but if you say its female than VALENTINA :-D

I thought the same, stefa, definitely a Valentina, and Rosso with it!! Must be an omen for a winner!;-)

[stefa]

I thought the same, stefa, definitely a Valentina, and Rosso with it!! Must be an omen for a winner!;-)

From your mouth to Gods ears!

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari SF-23: no porpoising on the Fiorano filming day
via motorsport.it
:pray:pray:pray:pray:pray

[Toothlessrage*]

We are due some HAPPINESS dammit!

[Jax]

unrelated, but does this website's owner needs help in setting up TLS ?

[Tifoso]

unrelated, but does this website's owner needs help in setting up TLS ?
PM him?

[FF1]

Will pre season testing be shown on sky sports?

[SS454]

Will pre season testing be shown on sky sports?

probably pay per view if its up to Liberty media.

[nani_s23]

F1-75 had the most downforce out of all last year. Now add in the 2023 engine, even more redefined aero, I have zero doubt that the SF23 will be the fastest car in Bahrain.

But it doesn't matter how much faster the car is at the beginning, sure, it's always ideal to start the season with the strongest package. But everything depends on our in-season development and how fast we can bring in working parts to the track.

This is our Achilles heel for seasons like 2017/2018/2019 & 2022.

Above seasons we started off well but gradually that margin diminished. I’m more concerned for this season as well.

[aroutis]

This is our Achilles heel for seasons like 2017/2018/2019 & 2022.

Above seasons we started off well but gradually that margin diminished. I’m more concerned for this season as well.

Make no mistake, this is one of the reason Binotto was sacked.
I am pretty sure this is one of the things Vasseur has to improve and he knows it.

[faloupas]

Almost the same car as 2022.Red Bull and Mercedes will come up with a b spec car again...and we will have again the same story.Ferrari easily third...being second fastest will be a huge surprise.

[Aziz]

Almost the same car as 2022.Red Bull and Mercedes will come up with a b spec car again...and we will have again the same story.Ferrari easily third...being second fastest will be a huge surprise.

SF23 is so far and different from last year car, you must be blind not to see it

[JPZ]

Almost the same car as 2022.Red Bull and Mercedes will come up with a b spec car again...and we will have again the same story.Ferrari easily third...being second fastest will be a huge surprise.

It's an evolution of the car/design concept.

Same applies to the Ferrari F1 cars from the mid 90's to mid 2000's.

[WS6TransAm01]

This guy has a pretty good breakdown of what changed and what is happening on the SF23.


https://youtu.be/vA8xxmEyOqI

[Jax]

PM him?

i would if i knew who he was. On mobiles it's bugging bc of this 8122

[faloupas]

In my opinion an evolution makes sense when the car is a winner.
F399 won the WCC and the evolution was F12000 and all the cars until F2005.
SF75 was not a winner...
Lets see what SF23 can do...
I prefer the evolution during the year and especially after the summer break...this path will lead us to championships.
Also important is Charles to be No1 driver.

[JPZ]

In my opinion an evolution makes sense when the car is a winner.
F399 won the WCC and the evolution was F12000 and all the cars until F2005.
SF75 was not a winner...
Lets see what SF23 can do...
I prefer the evolution during the year and especially after the summer break...this path will lead us to championships.
Also important is Charles to be No1 driver.

The F399 was also an evolution of the F300.

[Tony]

Make no mistake, this is one of the reason Binotto was sacked.
I am pretty sure this is one of the things Vasseur has to improve and he knows it.

It's one of the points that I mentioned last year, if you spend more during the offseason than others, you wont have as much money left against the cap to develop during the year. If they spent more than others during the offseason, before Vasseur was announced, there will also be less money this year to develop. That's a hypothetical for the time being obviously.

[Aziz]

It's one of the points that I mentioned last year, if you spend more during the offseason than others, you wont have as much money left against the cap to develop during the year. If they spent more than others during the offseason, before Vasseur was announced, there will also be less money this year to develop. That's a hypothetical for the time being obviously.

Don't forget RB penalty, less windtunel time and less money to spend

[paneristi]

In my opinion an evolution makes sense when the car is a winner.
F399 won the WCC and the evolution was F12000 and all the cars until F2005.
SF75 was not a winner...
Lets see what SF23 can do...
I prefer the evolution during the year and especially after the summer break...this path will lead us to championships.
Also important is Charles to be No1 driver.

F1-75 was a potent machinery in theory, suffering PU reliability, made worse with bad strategies. Now the reliability has been fixed. Combined with some evolution and supposedly a real manager, it should be a better season than last year

[Greig]

In my opinion an evolution makes sense when the car is a winner.
F399 won the WCC and the evolution was F12000 and all the cars until F2005.
SF75 was not a winner...
Lets see what SF23 can do...
I prefer the evolution during the year and especially after the summer break...this path will lead us to championships.
Also important is Charles to be No1 driver.

So you wanted us to start with a whole new car and throw away the race winning design we created?

Yeah what a great idea, great to see you already moaning before a wheel has turned also, give it a rest.

Your beloved hero's Mercedes have gone for evolution also....but you can already tell us they are right to do it, while we are not. Pathetic fan.

[Tifoso]

Almost the same car as 2022.Red Bull and Mercedes will come up with a b spec car again...and we will have again the same story.Ferrari easily third...being second fastest will be a huge surprise.

And you know this, how? Serious question.

[FerrariF60]

And you know this, how? Serious question.

he doesn't know anything....he's a freaking troll and he calls himself a Ferrari fan....

[Gilles]

The new car follows the previous concept?
So these guys seem to know what they’re doing. They couldn’t adapt the car last year, but we can’t say it didn’t have potential
Adapting and strengthening it is probably the right decision.
So I’m pretty confident
My fear lies rather in the fact that Marcos and Rueda are still in the team...
Go Charles, time to spank Verstapen has come!

[Greig]

The new car follows the previous concept?
So these guys seem to know what they’re doing. They couldn’t adapt the car last year, but we can’t say it didn’t have potential
Adapting and strengthening it is probably the right decision.
So I’m pretty confident
My fear lies rather in the fact that Marcos and Rueda are still in the team...
Go Charles, time to spank Verstapen has come!

Car adapted fine until the TD, but your just going to post the same drivel over and over.

[faloupas]

So you wanted us to start with a whole new car and throw away the race winning design we created?

Yeah what a great idea, great to see you already moaning before a wheel has turned also, give it a rest.

Your beloved hero's Mercedes have gone for evolution also....but you can already tell us they are right to do it, while we are not. Pathetic fan.

Hi Greig...
Ferrari fan since 1994....
Pathetic or not im happy that you understand that im a fan.
Lets have a good season and Ferrari win both championships...no matter what i believe.

[faloupas]

The F399 was also an evolution of the F300.

Yes you are right.I forgot F300.

[Gilles]

Car adapted fine until the TD, but your just going to post the same drivel over and over.

Yes i will!
Just as you will continue to be so friendly

I called for Binotto to be fired and you said I wasn't a fan of the team
... But the team fired Binotto
I ask for Marcos and Rueda to be fired because their behavior is hurting the team
Likewise, I find the way Sainz and his family play politic in the team as harmful
My humble opinion is that without change on their part, the team will not keep these people there either

But keep attacking people, looks like you like it

[JPZ]

Once again, the new car looks fantastic.

We know the design concept works in terms of speed, 12 pole positions last year, even with a de-tuned engine at some races!

If the tyre degradation issues can be fixed and the engine able run at full power, the SF-23 should have great potential.

[Brembo]

[QUOTE=faloupas;1074671]In my opinion an evolution makes sense when the car is a winner.


Also important is Charles to be No 1 driver.[/QUOTE

Correct! It's important there's No #1, #2 driver Charles and Carlos need to drive to win not move over! Total points =s WCC! Ferrari the Team is long over due.

[Gilles]

Once again, the new car looks fantastic.

We know the design concept works in terms of speed, 12 pole positions last year, even with a de-tuned engine at some races!

If the tyre degradation issues can be fixed and the engine able run at full power, the SF-23 should have great potential.

I really like what they have done on the front part of the car, I hope it will be real progress
Objectively, this year and for the first time in a long time, they really have a lot of arguments. I don't believe Verstapen will have a quiet year, if there is no Newey's silver bullet, or FIA rule change

[tifosi1993]

In an intricate sport like F1, even a mere millimeter makes a huge difference. After TD39, Ferrari were forced to raise the floor and lost all the performance.

But I have no doubt that the team made huge strides this year. It will be the car to beat at the beginning. But all depends on the development. The whole "the car is fast so there's no need to rush upgrades" mentality should be thrown into the bin.

[FerrariF60]

In an intricate sport like F1, even a mere millimeter makes a huge difference. After TD39, Ferrari were forced to raise the floor and lost all the performance.

But I have no doubt that the team made huge strides this year. It will be the car to beat at the beginning. But all depends on the development. The whole "the car is fast so there's no need to rush upgrades" mentality should be thrown into the bin.

that was Binotto's mentality....i'm sure Fred's opinion on that matter will be totally different now that he's in charge
in a budget cap era that will be policed throughout the year, teh team can't just spend obnouxious amount of money at the car....so whatever upgrades we'll be bringing they better be working first try

[brucewayne]

So you wanted us to start with a whole new car and throw away the race winning design we created?

Yeah what a great idea, great to see you already moaning before a wheel has turned also, give it a rest.

Your beloved hero's Mercedes have gone for evolution also....but you can already tell us they are right to do it, while we are not. Pathetic fan.

I am very rarely on the same side as Greig, but he is absolutely right here. The base was great last year, and there were reasons why we couldn't compete in the second half of the season. We have to improve in tire management and reliability, our raw pace was great so it makes absolutely sense to continue the development of last year's car. Everything else would be a stupid waste of resources, especially with a budget cap.

[brucewayne]

[QUOTE=faloupas;1074671]In my opinion an evolution makes sense when the car is a winner.


Also important is Charles to be No 1 driver.[/QUOTE

Correct! It's important there's No #1, #2 driver Charles and Carlos need to drive to win not move over! Total points =s WCC! Ferrari the Team is long over due.

It is absolutely important to go the same route as RB. Charles is our future, no more stupid mistakes because of dumb decisions. We would have finished 1-2 in Silverstone with more WCC points if we would have treated Charles like the faster driver. Guess what, he is the faster driver.

[Brembo]

[QUOTE=Brembo;1074687]

It is absolutely important to go the same route as RB. Charles is our future, no more stupid mistakes because of dumb decisions. We would have finished 1-2 in Silverstone with more WCC points if we would have treated Charles like the faster driver. Guess what, he is the faster driver.

Faster than who? Max not Carlos is the driver to beat!

[Tifoso]

In an intricate sport like F1, even a mere millimeter makes a huge difference. After TD39, Ferrari were forced to raise the floor and lost all the performance.

But I have no doubt that the team made huge strides this year. It will be the car to beat at the beginning. But all depends on the development. The whole "the car is fast so there's no need to rush upgrades" mentality should be thrown into the Binotto



Fixed :-)

[Toothlessrage*]

[/B]


Fixed :-)

He suffered enough humiliation man, leave him alone!:lol:lol

[Gilles]

He suffered enough humiliation man, leave him alone!:lol:lol

He was in maranello yesterday and met Vasseur
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpGQL_1aMAUBn6R?format=jpg&name=small

[Gilles]

https://youtu.be/yseKLLrWwoI
Filming day

[Silent Bob]

that was Binotto's mentality....i'm sure Fred's opinion on that matter will be totally different now that he's in charge
in a budget cap era that will be policed throughout the year, teh team can't just spend obnouxious amount of money at the car....so whatever upgrades we'll be bringing they better be working first try


I believe this was also Binottos mentality. He said as much many times. You are saying Fred will do exactly as Binotto said he was doing. In this budget cap era, this is the only way cars can be developed. It would be idifficult to bring massive updates every GP.

Still wondering how Merc was able to bring so many new parts, that will be seen in the budget reports if they overspent.

[tifosi1993]

https://www.formu1a.uno/innovazione-ferrari-ce-un-s-duct-per-generare-piu-carico-al-posteriore-della-sf-23/

* No porpoising during the shakedown
* Sidepod S-Duct. Creates heavy aero load without inducing drag. Hard to copy.
* Multi link rear suspension.
* Completely redesigned front suspension. Designed to improve front downforce.
* Anti-porpoising floor. But didn't compromise the aero, creates more downforce than its predecessor.
* They are happy with the data they have gathered during the 15km and 100km shakedown.

Quite a positive article. But we shouldn't be getting ahead of ourselves. The SF23, like the F1-75, will be the car to beat during the first part of 2023 F1 championship. But all depends on the in-season development.

[patrese86]

Most important thing for me is if we've figured out how to manage the tyre deg. Hopefully we get good data from Bahrain in that sense.

[Toothlessrage*]

https://www.formu1a.uno/innovazione-ferrari-ce-un-s-duct-per-generare-piu-carico-al-posteriore-della-sf-23/

* No porpoising during the shakedown
* Sidepod S-Duct. Creates heavy aero load without inducing drag. Hard to copy.
* Multi link rear suspension.
* Completely redesigned front suspension. Designed to improve front downforce.
* Anti-porpoising floor. But didn't compromise the aero, creates more downforce than its predecessor.
* They are happy with the data they have gathered during the 15km and 100km shakedown.

Quite a positive article. But we shouldn't be getting ahead of ourselves. The SF23, like the F1-75, will be the car to beat during the first part of 2023 F1 championship. But all depends on the in-season development.

It's really difficult to be objective - especially, after watching SF win!

[Toothlessrage*]

He was in maranello yesterday and met Vasseur
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpGQL_1aMAUBn6R?format=jpg&name=small

He has love for the Scuderia, without a doubt.
Unfortunately, things just didn't work out.
Hope he'll be back at SF, as a Technical Director - this probably won't happen with Elkann.

[aroutis]

Almost the same car as 2022.Red Bull and Mercedes will come up with a b spec car again...and we will have again the same story.Ferrari easily third...being second fastest will be a huge surprise.

Whatever you say. The car has many differences however hey, you know so much better. In fact you are wasted in this forum. I say, tell them guys at Maranelo to pay you for your vast knowlefge.

[Tifoso]

I am feeling (even more) positive after reading tifosi1993’s post. Forza Ferrari!
No more porposing!:pass:champ

[Gilles]

He has love for the Scuderia, without a doubt.
Unfortunately, things just didn't work out.
Hope he'll be back at SF, as a Technical Director - this probably won't happen with Elkann.

Of course, after 27 years in red it is sad for him
The fact is that it is a failure of senior management, he should not have stayed as team leader, but with the death of SM, decisions did not come
It must also be said that he no longer wanted to leave the position and that he was very bad at managing and communicating.
Now I don’t see him coming back as TD

[faloupas]

Whatever you say. The car has many differences however hey, you know so much better. In fact you are wasted in this forum. I say, tell them guys at Maranelo to pay you for your vast knowlefge.

Everyone knows who was right last year...so you,you can say whatever you want.
During the season we will see...i hope you are right and im wrong.There is no point in fighting...just respect all opinions.
As i said i hope im wrong and Ferrari wins everything this year.

[Gilles]

I wonder why we fight so often here, it’s not like that everywhere
Can we all change that, together?

[faloupas]

I wonder why we fight so often here, it’s not like that everywhere
Can we all change that, together?

If some people stop attack other people and respect all opinios then yes we change that ,together.
Ban members just because they have a different opinion is not a solution ofcourse.

[Gilles]

I know it’s a difficult task, but it would be much better
This should be a resolution for this new season
We can’t ask the moderator everything, so let’s be friendly
Are we not united by a common passion?
I’m in and I know many of us want it

[faloupas]

I know it’s a difficult task, but it would be much better
This should be a resolution for this new season
We can’t ask the moderator everything, so let’s be friendly
Are we not united by a common passion?
I’m in and I know many of us want it
I ve expressed many times my thoughts...
And yes we are united despite some of us consider some other of us as other teams fans...isnt it a shame?
I am friendly and polite with everyone.
I ve expressed many times my thoughts...and i was banned as a troll for my thoughts...
Some people here i dont know what they want to hear...
Red Bull won both Championships last year...Mercedes almost overtake us...these are facts...
We had a good basic car capable of winning and we lost again the upgrade tasks...
So in my opinion we start as outsiders...if we win everything then ill celebrate as every Ferrari fan.
And something about the car...Ferrari logo on rear wing should definitely stay...

[Brembo]

I know it’s a difficult task, but it would be much better
This should be a resolution for this new season
We can’t ask the moderator everything, so let’s be friendly
Are we not united by a common passion?
I’m in and I know many of us want it

:rotfl Practice what you preach!

[Gilles]

I am more cofident than you and I think the way we reworked the car is good
I think it was not necessary and on the contrary difficult to change the whole concept because of the loss of experience and the limited budget
When it comes to exchanges, it is also important to understand that tirelessly pointing to the wrong side of things can be boring
Note that I am not always perfect either:)

[Brembo]

Brembo! What a surprise! You are the only one on my ignore list, and for a while, you should do the same as you will never change

I'm happy to have made your list! I get your special treatment ! I will continue always rating both Carlos and Charles as great drivers worthy of Ferrari seats. You have a strange way of ignoring ! :rotfl

[Silent Bob]

I ve expressed many times my thoughts...
And yes we are united despite some of us consider some other of us as other teams fans...isnt it a shame?
I am friendly and polite with everyone.
I ve expressed many times my thoughts...and i was banned as a troll for my thoughts...
Some people here i dont know what they want to hear...
Red Bull won both Championships last year...Mercedes almost overtake us...these are facts...
We had a good basic car capable of winning and we lost again the upgrade tasks...
So in my opinion we start as outsiders...if we win everything then ill celebrate as every Ferrari fan.
And something about the car...Ferrari logo on rear wing should definitely stay...




Perhaps we stopped.upgrading because TD39 made all planned upgrades ineffective. If the scheduled.upgrades were designed for a car that ran lower than what was eventually allowed, then why bother bringing them if they wouldn't increase performance. We dont really know how much more performance rhe F1-75 could have had if the FIA didnt change the.rulea midway through the season. I really doubt Merc would have been so close if the rules hadn't changed. I think the Ferrari would have been closer to RB, especially seeing how our tire wear at the beginning of the season was pretty good and we were still pretty quick at qualy even at the end of the season.

[Silent Bob]

I really like the changes Ferrai made with the SF23. I dont think they needed much to make the car much better.
I think their side pod concept will prove to be a winner. The amount of airflow to the rear wing and beam wings over the top due to their super slim center intake will be so hard for other teams to copy. Probably works very similar to the slide and cannon concepts but looks so much more efficient. Of course, I may be wrong, but I have a good feeling this car will be quick.

[Gilles]

Can someone explain to me why two posts were deleted here today?

[Greig]

Can someone explain to me why two posts were deleted here today?

You asked for us to get along, then your next post was to attack another member, maybe you forgot what you did?

As someone said, practice what you preach :-D

[stefa]

Whatever you say. The car has many differences however hey, you know so much better. In fact you are wasted in this forum. I say, tell them guys at Maranelo to pay you for your vast knowlefge.
:clap

[Gilles]

You asked for us to get along, then your next post was to attack another member, maybe you forgot what you did?

As someone said, practice what you preach :-D

My answer was not disrespectful as I know (Brembo! What a surprise! You are the only one on my ignore list, and for a while, you should do the same as you will never change), and it followed "practice what you preach" which you mischievously repeat and which, if I'm not mistaken, amounts to an attack. When you yourself tell people that they are pathetic, or that they are rambling, aren't you attacking people?
Come on, so delete my message one more time

[Greig]

My answer was not disrespectful as I know (Brembo! What a surprise! You are the only one on my ignore list, and for a while, you should do the same as you will never change), and it followed "practice what you preach" which you mischievously repeat and which, if I'm not mistaken, amounts to an attack. When you yourself tell people that they are pathetic, or that they are rambling, aren't you attacking people?
Come on, so delete my message one more time

Yawn, I thought you wanted everyone to get on....:-D

[Gilles]

Yawn, I thought you wanted everyone to get on....:-D

Ok, that's your game, you know something about being pathetic, that's probably why you don't see it as disrespectful when you throw it at people
I see here people who make fun of others, others who protect them and grotesquely abuse their authority
I was warned, but I'm not one to accept this nonsense so you can play this stupid game without me
Come on, be true to who you are and banish me now

[tifosi1993]

I am feeling (even more) positive after reading tifosi1993’s post. Forza Ferrari!
No more porposing!:pass:champ

Another positive aspect of this year's launch: Ferrari have worked extensively on the suspension this year. The suspension of the SF23 is completely different than its predecessor. I can't remember last time when they had completely redesigned the suspension this much.

Hopefully this will solve the tyre wear issue (which was mainly down to the TD39) and give us the desired mechanical and aero balance.

[stefa]

I am feeling (even more) positive after reading tifosi1993’s post. Forza Ferrari!
No more porposing!:pass:champ

Please let all this work superfine, through all year! :pray

[Greig]

Ok, that's your game, you know something about being pathetic, that's probably why you don't see it as disrespectful when you throw it at people
I see here people who make fun of others, others who protect them and grotesquely abuse their authority
I was warned, but I'm not one to accept this nonsense so you can play this stupid game without me
Come on, be true to who you are and banish me now

This is us all getting along :-D

Grow up dude, if you don't want to come here and get along with others then nobody is forcing you.

[Gilles]

This is us all getting along :-D

Grow up dude, if you don't want to come here and get along with others then nobody is forcing you.

Don't pretend to not understand, the problem is you. I found some lovely people here but sadly we have to endure harassment from a troll and a lost sheriff. The question is not to grow, such a usual argument, but to know if i agree to share in such a context. My answer is no, I have better things to do than play with you and your troll. I warmly greet the sympathetic members of this forum and will leave it after having exchanged in private with some of those who are worth it
Bye sheriff

[Greig]

Don't pretend to not understand, the problem is you. I found some lovely people here but sadly we have to endure harassment from a troll and a lost sheriff. The question is not to grow, such a usual argument, but to know if i agree to share in such a context. My answer is no, I have better things to do than play with you and your troll. I warmly greet the sympathetic members of this forum and will leave it after having exchanged in private with some of those who are worth it
Bye sheriff

:wave

[Tony]

It seems Ferrari is planning on using 4 engines this year and there may be some issues with the turbo charger:

https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-sf-23-four-power-units-planned-for-2023-potential-turbo-concern-identified/

[wisepie]

It seems Ferrari is planning on using 4 engines this year and there may be some issues with the turbo charger:

https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-sf-23-four-power-units-planned-for-2023-potential-turbo-concern-identified/

Not what we want to hear, and I hope the decisions to keep the sidepod area similar to last year, when other teams have headed in the direction of RB. will have been the right one. We shall see.:Hmm

[Brembo]

I would really like to see Seb take a shot at being the boss man and get ride of Fred ASAP. Who knows more than Seb about everything going on @ F-1 ?

[tifosi1993]

It seems Ferrari is planning on using 4 engines this year and there may be some issues with the turbo charger:

https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-sf-23-four-power-units-planned-for-2023-potential-turbo-concern-identified/

Hmmm. Could be a problem. But I think we should wait a bit before jumping into conclusion. if on track performance verifies dyno test results, then we are in for a good season.

[tifosi1993]

https://twitter.com/Graftechweb/status/1627353761055141889

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpWFe66WAAI40DO?format=jpg&name=900x900

This is one of the best comparison image so far. The W14's FW looks wider but the central span zone of SF23's FW is larger.

This year's front tyres are 1.5kg heavier, more durable and designed to combat understeer. So more aero load at the front is beneficial, as it will make the car more pointy. Also, Ferrari used the low/mid DF rear wing during Fiorano shakedown. We hardly saw the low/medium DF rear wing last year. So this is yet another sign of improved aero efficiency.

[FerrariF60]

Hmmm. Could be a problem. But I think we should wait a bit before jumping into conclusion. if on track performance verifies dyno test results, then we are in for a good season.

if the engine is strong enough and has as much power as it had last year at the beginning of the year, or maybe even slightly MORE power....i think we should be OK to use a 4th engine as opposed to 3

even last year red bull used an extra engine....its not like they did the season with only 3 engines....


but as long as we not gonna use 5 or 6 engines I think we should still be OK having to use a FOURTH one.....we'll just have to take the penalty at a track where it's easier to pass and minimize damage limitation