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7th July 2013, 15:45
NickEice

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Originally Posted by Kyss4k

Oh they will be slower. The turbos will have more torque, but they will also have more than 100bhp less. 600 + 100 (for 30 seconds only) vs almost 800 we have now.

We will see. I've heard some "experts" saying people will be surprised. It's not always HP that dictates speed.
7th July 2013, 15:46
Greig

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Originally Posted by aroutis

It could help for the WCC, no doubt. We do care for the WCC.

Do we? I think not.
7th July 2013, 15:46
aroutis

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Originally Posted by Greig

Do we? I think not.

Everyone is entitled in their opinion. You , me and everyone. :)

Then again, you do have a point. If we did, Massa should be sacked, long time ago.
7th July 2013, 15:47
Greig

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Originally Posted by NickEice

If the car turns around in the 2nd half we could challenge for the title. But now we have no chance with all the points Massa has left on the table. That's how. Alonso has 2 wins, 2 2nds and a third. Massa has a 3rd. The car was good at one point and he didnt help. He didnt finish we'll in China when we had a dominate race car. Finish on Alonso's heels and take points from the field. Massa came into this season to help Alonso. We all knew deep down he had no chance at a WDC. Fall in line like Romain did today.

If the car turns around then you can have a point, till then the car is the problem.
7th July 2013, 15:48
bonzo

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Originally Posted by aroutis

It could help for the WCC, no doubt. We do care for the WCC.

No, we don't
7th July 2013, 15:48
Greig

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Originally Posted by aroutis

Everyone is entitled in their opinion. You , me and everyone. :)

Then again, you do have a point. If we did, Massa should be sacked, long time ago.

If we did we would not give Massa fake gearbox penalty to move Alonso forward.
7th July 2013, 15:48
FranksterGM

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Originally Posted by Greig

Do we? I think not.

Everyone used to be, before it became F1 driver Idol.
7th July 2013, 15:48
Kyss4k

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Originally Posted by NickEice

We will see. I've heard some "experts" saying people will be surprised. It's not always HP that dictates speed.

Well hp is the main thing. More torque will make the car more agile, but only if you have enough traction to use it. And it was said that we will see cars sliding more, so I wouldn't say they will be able to use the torque on 100%

By the way, the cars will be heavier also...
7th July 2013, 15:48
Forzi

Personally, would say that the car is our main priority. Untill it get's to a level when we can challenge pole and wins on a race to race basis, drivers will be next. RBR is always up there, race and quali wise, untill we get there and don't depend on luck and other teams screwing up, we can't expect the drivers overdriving the car for the titles.
7th July 2013, 15:50
NickEice

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Originally Posted by Greig

Do we? I think not.

Of course we do!

I'll be the first to say I hated Alonso at Renault and McLaren, but he has really become a Ferrari man, and he is one of the all time greats. I am not an Alonso fan boy. I am a Ferrari fan, but watching us be happy with status quo year after year is disappointing.

With our budget, and talent, and history, and experience we shouldn't be beat like this.

And no I didn't watch the 80s. Sadly I was born in 1987. But I do remember us losing to Hakkinen and being disappointed.

Sorry that I expect more from the greatest racing team in the world. And sorry I expect big results from BOTH drivers.
7th July 2013, 15:51
Greig

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Originally Posted by NickEice

Of course we do!

I'll be the first to say I hated Alonso at Renault and McLaren, but he has really become a Ferrari man, and he is one of the all time greats. I am not an Alonso fan boy. I am a Ferrari fan, but watching us be happy with status quo year after year is disappointing.

With our budget, and talent, and history, and experience we shouldn't be beat like this.

And no I didn't watch the 80s. Sadly I was born in 1987. But I do remember us losing to Hakkinen and being disappointed.

Sorry that I expect more from the greatest racing team in the world. And sorry I expect big results from BOTH drivers.

WCC is a sideshow.
7th July 2013, 15:52
Hornet

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Originally Posted by Italian Spirit

Ferrari F1 budget: over 200 m €. :-E
Lotus f1 budget: less than 100 m €. :-P
Question: what is the problem? :Hmm

(Please don't answer that it is the same of Mercedes and McLaren, I know it but I don't care) :-D

These days, having money doesn't automatically translate to performance, with all the budget limitation in place. I mean where can the team spend the extra money. Testing, nope. No more free testing. Wind tunnel, nope, that's limited too.
7th July 2013, 15:53
FranksterGM

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Originally Posted by Greig

WCC is a sideshow.

Then Ferrari should leave F1.
Its supposed to be about manufacturers, not what drivers say over the radio.
7th July 2013, 15:54
bonzo

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Originally Posted by Forzi

Personally, would say that the car is our main priority. Untill it get's to a level when we can challenge pole and wins on a race to race basis, drivers will be next. RBR is always up there, race and quali wise, untill we get there and don't depend on luck and other teams screwing up, we can't expect the drivers overdriving the car for the titles.

Do you really expect SF to make a winning car under the management it has for the last 5 seasons?
7th July 2013, 15:55
Greig

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Originally Posted by FranksterGM

Then Ferrari should leave F1.
Its supposed to be about manufacturers, not what drivers say over the radio.

LOL F1 started without any WCC.
7th July 2013, 15:56
FranksterGM

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Originally Posted by Greig

LOL F1 started without any WCC.

But it was about manufacturers and national pride.

now? its about raikonens quotes..
7th July 2013, 15:57
Hornet

Nico Rosberg still refers to Lotus as Renault :-D
Took me awhile to get used to it too
7th July 2013, 15:59
REDARMYSOJA

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Originally Posted by 71dino

whats your problem? we cant make a comment on here? what fan boys are you referring to?

I'm referring to people who openly hope Red Bull will sign Alonso so that Alonso finally has "the car he deserves". The same type who constantly bash Ferrari.
7th July 2013, 16:00
Nurav

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Originally Posted by Forzi

Looks like it's going to be loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong 3 weeks here.

I rather don't want the 3 weeks to end.
I just dread Hungary.
I have 1 question to all the positive guys here...
Should we still believe that alonso can be the WDC in 2013?
I am ready to believe so.....but sadly nothing happening for it.
7th July 2013, 16:02
REDARMYSOJA

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Originally Posted by Nurav

Should we still believe that alonso can be the WDC in 2013?

Have you already given up on 2014 like some others have as well?
7th July 2013, 16:03
Forzi

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Originally Posted by bonzo

Do you really expect SF to make a winning car under the management it has for the last 5 seasons?

Next year? Why not? The way i see it, there will be a lot of team pace changes. We got also Rory working on it, which i'd say is quite a change in the car development in the last few years.
7th July 2013, 16:03
Rob

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Originally Posted by Tony

I guess some of the members here didn't follow Ferrari in the 80's and 90's when it was much worse... the complaining is becoming childish by certain posters to be quite honest...

:clap
7th July 2013, 16:07
71dino

no one said they hope he goes to RB, what was said was that it may happen if he doesn't get a competitive car. try reading the comments a little more closely, ok? I will say one thing though, I would love to see what he could do with a car of such quality.

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Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA

I'm referring to people who openly hope Red Bull will sign Alonso so that Alonso finally has "the car he deserves". The same type who constantly bash Ferrari.
7th July 2013, 16:08
Rob

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Originally Posted by Golfsmith

Every year us fans/supporters are told this year are WDC and WCC.

First you need to build an innovative car with the correct ingrediants
You need to qualify good an all tracks during all conditions and not praying for hot weather
You need good grip from car in all conditions on any track
You need be good on all tracks/conditions fast/slow
You don't rely on other people not DNF
Then we can start winning races
And then we can talk about championchips

I cannt remember anyone in the team at the start of the year saying WE WILL win both Championships. Media and alot of fans were saying that baecause of how we finished last year. Team will not say that because if they id, then didnt win there would be massive uproar.
7th July 2013, 16:08
Golfsmith

Is Rory Byrne working on the 2014 car,if so then maybe he can create something to kick again.
7th July 2013, 16:09
Nurav

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Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA

Have you already given up on 2014 like some others have as well?

No I have not given up.
But have no hope in reality ....as we will be mostly screwed in Hungary and almost certainly 1 sec off In quali.
And then apart from monza I don't see any other race where we can win ...if things stand as they are.
7th July 2013, 16:12
Rob

Ferrari have good car, so what it doesnt go well all the time. Look at Merc, look at Mclaren. RBR, just like having these kevlar tyres as they dont over heat the rubber quick as we saw at start of year.

Fernando, has contract till 2016/2017. He WILL NOT leave the team to go to another team as we aint winning like alot of fans expect all the time. Fernando, like the team see the bigger picture.This may turn out to be another miss WDC WCC, but 2014 is what we looking forward too. Smaller aero, no EBDs, more on drivetrain and KERS. Plus Newey has never built a conventional exhaust winning car (not blowing)
7th July 2013, 16:13
wacc

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Originally Posted by Golfsmith

Is Rory Byrne working on the 2014 car,if so then maybe he can create something to kick ass again.

Do not make yourself false hope. Ferrari will not dominate next season!
7th July 2013, 16:13
Rob

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Originally Posted by Golfsmith

Is Rory Byrne working on the 2014 car,if so then maybe he can create something to kick again.

Yes he is.
7th July 2013, 16:14
Rob

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Originally Posted by wacc

Do not make yourself false hope. Ferrari will not dominate next season!

No, but we will be alot better.