Red Bull’s traction secret revealed?

[Jas]

That seals it.

was about to say exactly the same, the lap he had no kers on, he nearly went off track!

[Alonsomaniac]

Tomorrow it will be okay. They'll just switch the KERS from one car to the other and vice versa

[FerrariF60]

Tomorrow it will be okay. They'll just switch the KERS from one car to the other and vice versa

Marko probably already GAVE that order to the team...so that FINGER boy won't have a wounded car for the race....they'll just give Webber the crappy KERS from vettel's car....LOL

[XXX132]

Kers failure in Vettel's car = no traccion control = Webber Pole

Maybe the missing bhp affected his time...

[Aberracus]

Not really, Watch the video Vettel had to drive the car, normally it's on rails, their TC is really about Kers.

[ManFromMilan]

If proven as traction control, would it not be exclusion from the championship and Alonso as WDC 2013? (sure Fernando will be second in the points at the end of the year )

[DIEK]

If proven as traction control, would it not be exclusion from the championship and Alonso as WDC 2013? (sure Fernando will be second in the points at the end of the year )

Don't kid yourself, that won't happen, ever...it won't as long as Redbull is paying huge amounts of money in another FIA competitions, and their bosses go on vacations with uncle Bernie.

[mirafiori]

Don't kid yourself, that won't happen, ever...it won't as long as Redbull is paying huge amounts of money in another FIA competitions, and their bosses go on vacations with uncle Bernie.

You are are right my friend.

[Greig]

So another article that says it not traction control, but a very clever way to enhance traction which all teams are doing.

Maybe everyone is cheating then.....I used to hate when Ferrari were considered cheats during our domination and the whole Ferrari International Assistance, maFIA etc. But now we have some fans who have to resort to "cheating" claims just to cover up for our own deficiencies.

[Rob]

So another article that says it not traction control, but a very clever way to enhance traction which all teams are doing.

Maybe everyone is cheating then.....

No idea. I have emailed Scarbs asking about the whole KERS/traction control malarkey. Once have reply will post.

[mugdoc]

almost same article

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/sh...550#post809550

[stefa]

Personally I don't believe they will risk so many to put something illegal into car and risk to be thrown out of championship.

[DIEK]

Personally I don't believe they will risk so many to put something illegal into car and risk to be thrown out of championship.

[mirafiori]

Personally I don't believe they will risk so many to put something illegal into car and risk to be thrown out of championship.

You would risk so many things in life, if your dad was the Sheriff.

[Hermann]

Personally I don't believe they will risk so many to put something illegal into car and risk to be thrown out of championship.

They can do what they want, no way FIA would do such a thing.

[Aberracus]

They have done similar in the past, they do things borderline legal until noticed and removed afterwards

[Greig]

Ferrari are so weak that they sit back and let Red Bull and FIA cheat....makes a lot of sense. Still I suppose some sleep better at night if they just brand the winners as cheats.

[Greig]

They have done similar in the past, they do things borderline legal until noticed and removed afterwards

So they push the limits of the rules, which is what every team seeks to do.

[Hornet]

Today we saw Lotus being able to take the fight to Red Bull. Unless we're accusing them of cheating too, it shows that Red Bull's pace is no hocus pocus, they simply done a great job. Lotus has been improving, and so they have become closer to RB's performance too, proving it's possible if you have strong development program.

Bernie probably wants to see Ferrari fighting with Red Bull as much as we do, but its up to the team to make that happen next year.

[Rob]

Today we saw Lotus being able to take the fight to Red Bull. Unless we're accusing them of cheating too, it shows that Red Bull's pace is no hocus pocus, they simply done a great job. Lotus has been improving, and so they have become closer to RB's performance too, proving it's possible if you have strong development program.

Bernie probably wants to see Ferrari fighting with Red Bull as much as we do, but its up to the team to make that happen next year.

Red Bull, especially Seb, like to have shorter ratios for quicker acceleration. Plus at street tracks, and with the new "Tilke-dromes" usually have low speed corners they have advantage there over rest of us.

[FFFerrari]

If they do it actually as it is written in that article, it seems to be within regulations. Very, very clever but not illegal.

[Alonso14]

Today we saw Lotus being able to take the fight to Red Bull. Unless we're accusing them of cheating too, it shows that Red Bull's pace is no hocus pocus, they simply done a great job. Lotus has been improving, and so they have become closer to RB's performance too, proving it's possible if you have strong development program.

Bernie probably wants to see Ferrari fighting with Red Bull as much as we do, but its up to the team to make that happen next year.

This. RBR are doing a fantastic job and are no cheats regarding this matter unless proven otherwise. I know it is F1 and politics are constantly at play which means that a major player like them won't be excluded but we can't blame Red Bull for doing what we all dream of - a team working at its optimum at every single department (expect the maintenance of the right-hand side of the garage ) and being great in virtually everything from car design and development to pit stops and strategy. And Lotus and Merc at times and McLaren last year proved that you don't need a Newey to design a fantastic car.

[mirafiori]

So they push the limits of the rules, which is what every team seeks to do.

Yeah what you say Greig is probably correct, my issue is all the people who hold the most influential positions in formula one, seem to have a very cosy relationship. As I see it this is not professional for a group of people who can decide so much, allowed to do this, they are seen interacting at each race on the grid whispering to each other. Just look at the tyre fiasco situation involving Mercedes, that is a classic example of these influential group of people, helping each other to get out of a messy situation.

[stefa]

Yeah what you say Greig is probably correct, my issue is all the people who hold the most influential positions in formula one, seem to have a very cosy relationship. As I see it this is not professional for a group of people who can decide so much, allowed to do this, they are seen interacting at each race on the grid whispering to each other. Just look at the tyre fiasco situation involving Mercedes, that is a classic example of these influential group of people, helping each other to get out of a messy situation.

As always in life, one with BIG money can always buy themselves what ever they want!
Question is how come Ferrari has lost their influence in those high circles?!?

[Ferrari Rules]

As always in life, one with BIG money can always buy themselves what ever they want!
Question is how come Ferrari has lost their influence in those high circles?!?

because we don't have dirty politicians anymore, I say bring in a guy like Flavio and things will change. SD is a nice guy but he doesn't have dirty tricks up his sleeves.

[Greig]

As always in life, one with BIG money can always buy themselves what ever they want!
Question is how come Ferrari has lost their influence in those high circles?!?

We have the same influence as always.

[stefa]

because we don't have dirty politicians anymore, I say bring in a guy like Flavio and things will change. SD is a nice guy but he doesn't have dirty tricks up his sleeves.

I am in for it!

[stefa]

We have the same influence as always.

But you can not say same as some others. Like... Hmmmm... Let me think.... Red Bull?!

[Greig]

But you can not say same as some others. Like... Hmmmm... Let me think.... Red Bull?!

So basically you are fine with Ferrari holding influence in the sport, but nobody else?

If Red Bull were not winning we would not be having this debate, Ferrari are more than open to admit they have not done good enough, our problems are well documented yet it seems some would rather just look for other reasons.

[Ferrari Rules]

We have the same influence as always.

No we don't, i.e when the team principals were discussing the tire issue with Bernie around that table, remember? Where was Stefano? I put my money on it Flavio would have sat at that table and dealt with the competition like a man. To me SD is a boy in a man's world!