Massa: More penalties for Hamilton

[justjesper]

I'm no fan of his, but we have seen this before in many cases. He is second in the championship. The people in the team, that could do something are making money on him. They don't care. It might just give the sponsors some more publicity. I'm sure there stock holders is clapping all the way to the bank.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The world is not run by logic or ideology .
Just Pure Money. Live with it.

[OldskoolF1]

Massa said he crashed due to the damage Lewis caused by ramming him

Of course he would say that, he wasn't going to own up to the fact that he should have backed out of it once he realised he was off the racing line

[aroutis]

Speaking of which:



http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/05/29/w...ogised-to-fia/

So the kid was merely making a poor joke... lol so Mclarenesque..

[Sianellen]

Of course he would say that, he wasn't going to own up to the fact that he should have backed out of it once he realised he was off the racing line

So Felipe is lying? Nice to see Ferrari supporters believing Ferrari drivers.

[hogo]

Of course he would say that, he wasn't going to own up to the fact that he should have backed out of it once he realised he was off the racing line

Why would he go off the racing line especially when Hamster was clearly behind? Massa ain't THAT stupid.

[sagi58]

So the kid was merely making a poor joke... lol so Mclarenesque..

Apparently, it's a British brand of humour that not everybody "gets"!
At least, that's the story I'm hearing!!

[OldskoolF1]

So Felipe is lying? Nice to see Ferrari supporters believing Ferrari drivers.

grow up. Perez proved what happened when you are off the racing line, Massa should have known better

[sagi58]

....Perez proved what happened when you are off the racing line, Massa should have known better

Maybe Massa missed the replay??

[Suzie]

grow up.

Now, now, be nice

[Sianellen]

grow up. Perez proved what happened when you are off the racing line, Massa should have known better

Its not exactly that simple when your car is broken and you have been pushed offline by someone. I was merely wondering why you chose to disbelieve our driver?

[Tifosi]

No Macca BS can hide the fact that he:

1. Criticised multiple drivers for letting him crash into them.
2. Criticised Massa for blocking him when no-one else thought he did.
3. Used a faux swear word multiple times in an interview that he knew his fans would see all over the world.
4. Used the lack of overtaking opportunities at Monaco (that other drivers managed perfectly safely) to justify multiple impetuous moves that ruined multiple drivers races.
5. Criticised the Stewards for adhering to the rules laid down by the FIA.
6. Summarised his inability to adhere to the rules as something at fault with everyone but him.

All in a few minutes.

The guy is seriously out of order.

[OldskoolF1]

Why would he go off the racing line especially when Hamster was clearly behind? Massa ain't THAT stupid.

He wasn't behind going through the tunnel, they were side by side

[OldskoolF1]

Its not exactly that simple when your car is broken and you have been pushed offline by someone. I was merely wondering why you chose to disbelieve our driver?

I don't disbelieve him him I just see it for what it is

[de Portago]

grow up. Perez proved what happened when you are off the racing line, Massa should have known better

Here is the replay... clearly Felipe left the door open and when pushed off-line and into the marbles he did not back off, which whould have been the intelligent reaction:

[Tifosi]

grow up. Perez proved what happened when you are off the racing line, Massa should have known better

are you in knowledge of all the facts or just assuming it was our drivers fault for some reason best known to you?

[de Portago]

grow up. Perez proved what happened when you are off the racing line, Massa should have known better

Here is the replay... clearly Felipe left the door open and when pushed off-line and into the marbles he did not back off, which whould have been the intelligent reaction:

[Greig]

yawn, more Massa bashing, getting boring now, really boring....

[OldskoolF1]

are you in knowledge of all the facts or just assuming it was our drivers fault for some reason best known to you?

I'm not assuming anything. The video clearly shows Massa running onto the marbles and crashing. What more evidence do you need?

[de Portago]

I don't think Lewis should have been penalised for the tunnel incident. Him and Massa were side by side and Lewis had the better line through the tunnel, Massa went onto the marbles and he crashed. Can't blame Lewis for that, they were racing and Massa lost out. In fact Massa should have known he was never going to make it through on the marbles. Lewis' move into the hairpin was a bit ambitious but the both came out of it ok. The move on Maldonado though was a clear penalty and it ruined a good race for Williams and Maldonado

By the way: My undesrtanding is that Hamilton was punished by the hairpin incident; not the tunnel incident.

[OldskoolF1]

yawn, more Massa bashing, getting boring now, really boring....

Never bashed him once. Just pointed out the facts. Show me any other thread where I have ever bashed him!!

[de Portago]

Never bashed him once. Just pointed out the facts. Show me any other thread where I have ever bashed him!!

It does not matter. Any criticism of Massa is deemed by the incumbent as bashing. Whatever!

[Greig]

Never bashed him once. Just pointed out the facts. Show me any other thread where I have ever bashed him!!

Wasn't talking about your comments

[Greig]

It does not matter. Any criticism of Massa is deemed by the incumbent as bashing. Whateverª

As it would be if the same member went on and on about every mistake Alonso made, this is a team forum, you can support your Alonso without feeling the need to put Massa down on a daily basis, it's very easy to do.

[OldskoolF1]

Wasn't talking about your comments

Ok mate. I'm not here to start an argument btw. That's my view on how I saw the accident

[Sianellen]

I'm not assuming anything. The video clearly shows Massa running onto the marbles and crashing. What more evidence do you need?

That clip doesn't show the whole story though. It doesn't show the entrance to the tunnel or how Lewis ended up on the inside. Unfortunatly cuts at the wrong point. Once you are wide you are wide, the video doesn't show how he ended up wide.

[sagi58]

Can't wait to hear the Horse Whisperer's comments on this one!!

[Tifosi]

It does not matter. Any criticism of Massa is deemed by the incumbent as bashing. Whatever!

not really. But when it's assumptive and ill-advised, it can only be seen as negative comment to make you feel better and nothing to do with genuine criticism of a fault of one of our drivers. Why not find out the facts before you bash your own driver?

Just a thought!

[Mrs.Domenicali]

It does not matter. Any criticism of Massa is deemed by the incumbent as bashing. Whatever!

When you continually criticise a driver for everything he does irrespective of whether he is responsible/at fault or not, yes it is bashing. It cannot be seen as a balanced or rational view point where you constantly point out the negative, but don't give the benefit of the doubt or notice the positives.

[Rob]

I'm not assuming anything. The video clearly shows Massa running onto the marbles and crashing. What more evidence do you need?

the video just shows them turning into portier, and then next camera shot is half way down the tunnel. Doesnt show what happened with the exit of portier and the tunnel entry.

[de Portago]

That clip doesn't show the whole story though. It doesn't show the entrance to the tunnel or how Lewis ended up on the inside. Once you are wide you are wide, the video doesn't show how he ended up wide.

You are right, but Felipe does not claim that Hamilton hit him at the entrance of the tunnel. He merely claims that his car was damaged, but he does not offer any details as to how. We can only speculate but it is clear that Hamilton gained the inside lane and at that point the only way out for Felipe would have been to back off and let Hamilton pass. He didn't and we can see the result. Veredict? It's anyboby's guess.