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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbs View Post
    Same Vettel also said Ferrari has the best car....

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    Has Felipe Massa really improved?
    Wednesday 10th October 2012, 17:45 by Daniel Chalmers

    There are strong indications that Felipe Massa is going to be keeping his drive next year, and by the time you read this it may already have been announced.

    Looking at his results over the last few races there is a perception that he has improved massively lately. However when you look back at previous events in more detail, I don’t think he has made as much of a step forward as many think he has. I am still of the opinion that Ferrari need to change their second driver.

    His better run of form started back in Spa so that’s where we are going to start. In that race he failed to reach Q3 and qualified all the way down in 14th. In the race he drove well to fight back to fifth position.

    However he benefited enormously from the turn one accident. In that pile up Fernando Alonso, Romain Grosjean, Sergio Perez and Lewis Hamilton all ended up in retirement. Kamui Kobayashi managed to have his damage repaired but lost a lot of ground. Pastor Maldonado retired from the race on lap four.

    Without the collision I would have put money on at least five of those drivers finishing ahead of Massa. I think instead of fifth place, Felipe probably would have only just made it into the top 10 and a points paying position.

    In Italy, Massa qualified in a very respectable third position. However part of the reason for that is Ferrari were simply awesome that weekend. Alonso would very likely have been on pole had it not been for a technical issue on the car in Q3. He was sure he could have gone half a second quicker than Hamilton’s pole time, and it's hard to take issue with him. Even Lewis was shocked his time was good enough for pole.

    Ferrari was fast enough to beat McLaren for race victory. What Ferrari really needed Massa to do was to stop Lewis Hamilton from scoring the full 25 points. However as the race went on his pace dropped off. Alonso came back from tenth place to get himself into a position, where Felipe had to let him through.

    In Singapore it’s true to say that Felipe produced a very spirited drive to fight back to eighth place after a first lap puncture. However the truth of the matter is he had another bad qualifying failing to reach Q3 again, starting down in 13th. When you are in that danger zone in the midfield, you run the risk of getting a puncture or losing part of your bodywork.

    Then we go to Suzuka where Massa got his strongest result since the Korean GP back in 2010, finishing second. However again he failed to reach Q3 in Japan. The podium in the race had an element of fortune like his fifth place back in Spa.

    The start was very messy. Firstly there was the contact between Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen on the run down to turn one. Then Grosjean hit the rear of Mark Webber’s car putting him into spin ensuring all hell broke loose.

    Felipe managed to avoid the incidents and used the chaos to help him emerge from scene in fourth place. To be fair he did then earn second place on merit by leapfrogging Kobayashi and Button during the race.

    However had everyone behaved themselves at the start he wouldn’t have been able to make up so many places on lap one. Therefore I think without benefiting from the lap one chaos, he would have struggled to make it anywhere near the podium.

    There is an argument that in actual fact there has only been a few tenths between Felipe and Fernando at times in 2012. Go back to a year where the grid was more spread out, and chances are the pair would have nearer to each other on the grid more regularly

    However this is 2012 and the fact of the matter is its mighty close. As a driver you have be fast enough to be able to deal with that, and make sure you are still right in the mix with your team mate.

    With stable regulations for 2013 you would imagine the grid is going to mega close once again. Therefore Massa will probably just endure the same problem.

    The most telling stat of Massa’s season is that he has only scored 35.6% of Alonso’s points.Ferrari won’t win the constructor’s championship like that, which I am sure all the mechanics must be so desperate to win. Winning the WCC also brings a huge financial reward to the team. The title can also be used as a strong marketing tool to sell more road cars.

    For me Massa staying at Ferrari another year will act as confirmation that Sebastian Vettel will be joining the team in 2014. At least Ferrari can use recent results to justify extending his contract though.

    However if I was Stefano Domenicali I would be giving Nico Hulkenberg or Paul Di Resta a chance next year. They are both super talented and I doubt they would do worse than Massa. Chances are they could do much better, which why I would take that chance on one of them.

    I think Ferrari and Massa parting company could be a great move for both sides. Felipe in particularly could find himself a new leash of life at team in the midfield, away from the Alonso dominated Ferrari.
    No way, if the car remains the car it is, both Hulkenberg and DiResta will not have a better fate than Felipe.

    If the writer has been following Ferrari's season closely, he would have known that Alonso is the best driver on the F1 grid and will always be able to deliver more than 100% of what any car can do.

    Alonso will drive any slower car faster than a faster one based on his experience, confidence and sheer ability.

    Massa has picked up craft since SPA, these journos are playing mind games including Seb's latest statement about Massa.

    I strongly feel, WCC are not won having two fastest drivers on the grid but won based on two drivers working together improving the car together as a team making the team stronger to challenge for a WCC title. Stefano will need to run two shops if Alonso and Vettel were to pair up. It will create an implosion.

    Ferrari should stay with Massa, at least for 2013...

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    Korea result not crucial for Ferrari future - Massa

    Felipe Massa doesn't believe the outcome of the Korean Grand Prix will have anything to do with his Ferrari future.

    Massa finished second in the Japanese Grand Prix last weekend to secure his first podium finish since the race in Korea in 2010. With recent performances showing a dramatic improvement following a dismal record of 11 points in the opening eight races, Massa believes it was hugely significant for his own confidence for him to finish in the top three at Suzuka.

    "I think [Japan] was very important for me," Massa said. "I'm always here to try to achieve the results; I never race just to be on the track, just to drive the car - which I like to drive - I never race for that. I race to achieve the results and I was always able to achieve in the categories I did. So that's what gives me happiness and I think when you go a long time without the results you are not happy because you want the results. I think it was very, very important for me more than anything."

    Massa added that the knock-on effect was that the pressure is off in Korea because he has proved he is working in the right direction and can still deliver strong results.

    "Being important for me, I think when you have the results it is important for everything; it's important for your future, it's important for the way you work, the team is happy as well, so I think for sure Suzuka was important for everything. I don't think really that the result of this race is what my future will be - it's nothing to do with that, 100% sure - so I think I am really in the right direction now."

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    This definitely means Massa has been retained for 2013
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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs316 View Post

    This definitely means Massa has been retained for 2013
    That means he can go back to his usual standard and pick up single points here and there, and even two on a good weekend. Suzuka was where it all counted. One good result counts for more than over three years with mediocre and bad ones.
    I hope he has a good salary to. Him being so loyal and PROUD for this team. Germany 2010, all I say. Since then I want him out. Loyal and teamplayer. Sure...thats baby sunshine.
    Just smile, thats worth more to most people here rather than results....

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    That would be great if Felipe is retained for 2013! Is there already any info on when the announcement will be made. SOOOO Happy, that we now know that he will stay at us. He's my favorite Ferrari driver and i have supported him in the bad aswell as in the good times. Iam only a student and some much students ''bullied'' me the last years about how bad he was, but then after the summerbreak in Spa he cam back on top form and iam so happy for him now! Felipe has faith in it he will be driving for us in 2013 so than i do aswell.

    And Curbs go to a Mccheater forum or so if you are here to only insult him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbs View Post
    That means he can go back to his usual standard and pick up single points here and there, and even two on a good weekend. Suzuka was where it all counted. One good result counts for more than over three years with mediocre and bad ones.
    I hope he has a good salary to. Him being so loyal and PROUD for this team. Germany 2010, all I say. Since then I want him out. Loyal and teamplayer. Sure...thats baby sunshine.
    Just smile, thats worth more to most people here rather than results....
    Wanna bet? If the red car is competitive this weekend, we will see Felipe taking big points

    Confidence is a spiral for many people. We saw how Grosj lost his last weekend and how Felipe regained his...

    This weekend, Grosj will likely even take a dip just to avoid hitting anyone. Any competitive athlete will tell you the same. If you loose confidence prior to a match, the match is already loss. It's all in the head...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbs View Post
    That means he can go back to his usual standard and pick up single points here and there, and even two on a good weekend. Suzuka was where it all counted. One good result counts for more than over three years with mediocre and bad ones.
    I hope he has a good salary to. Him being so loyal and PROUD for this team. Germany 2010, all I say. Since then I want him out. Loyal and teamplayer. Sure...thats baby sunshine.
    Just smile, thats worth more to most people here rather than results....
    Still bitter about Kimi I see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbs View Post
    That means he can go back to his usual standard and pick up single points here and there, and even two on a good weekend. Suzuka was where it all counted. One good result counts for more than over three years with mediocre and bad ones.
    I hope he has a good salary to. Him being so loyal and PROUD for this team. Germany 2010, all I say. Since then I want him out. Loyal and teamplayer. Sure...thats baby sunshine.
    Just smile, thats worth more to most people here rather than results....
    Oh come on Ye of little faith, Massa is is on the way back up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbs View Post
    You don´t have bad luck for över 3 years...
    Felipe has no results what so ever to justify his seat. If Ferrari keep him and act like a brazilian daycare for children just so he can have some fun, then we have some serious problems other than a broken windtunnel.
    There's no need to be quite so brutal in your assessment of Massa and I hope that Ferrari keeps its creche open for a Brazilian puppy who has earned the support and loyalty of true Tifosi through good times and bad. You either have a short memory or need a serious slap. Go figure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisepie View Post
    There's no need to be quite so brutal in your assessment of Massa
    He's not going to change the habit of a lifetime. Curbs there is really no need for you to be so vitriolic; unless Massa has murdered a member of your family or stolen your credit card details or something, you could tone down the hatred just a tad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie View Post
    He's not going to change the habit of a lifetime. Curbs there is really no need for you to be so vitriolic; unless Massa has murdered a member of your family or stolen your credit card details or something, you could tone down the hatred just a tad.
    Do you know this person, Suzie? If so, maybe you should do the slapping. Make it a Brazilian chop.

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    Nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbs View Post
    You don´t have bad luck for över 3 years...
    Felipe has no results what so ever to justify his seat. If Ferrari keep him and act like a brazilian daycare for children just so he can have some fun, then we have some serious problems other than a broken windtunnel.
    Clearly, you know more than Scuderia Ferrari.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbs View Post
    That means he can go back to his usual standard and pick up single points here and there, and even two on a good weekend. Suzuka was where it all counted. One good result counts for more than over three years with mediocre and bad ones.
    I hope he has a good salary to. Him being so loyal and PROUD for this team. Germany 2010, all I say. Since then I want him out. Loyal and teamplayer. Sure...thats baby sunshine.
    Just smile, thats worth more to most people here rather than results....

    I always liked Kimi, but he should leave his fans at home......and you talk about Felipe's loyalty...what color is YOUR loyalty? It's certainly not red...
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    Come on, let Curbs have an opinion!

    Very soon, we will know whether Ferrari agrees with his assessment or (most likely) whether they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F2002 View Post
    Come on, let Curbs have an opinion!

    Very soon, we will know whether Ferrari agrees with his assessment or (most likely) whether they don't.
    I agree with you, but saying "Felipe has no results" is clearly different than "I don't think Felipe's performance warrants another season".


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    Quote Originally Posted by F2002 View Post
    Come on, let Curbs have an opinion!
    There is a very big difference between offering your opinion and insulting not only Felipe but his fans here.


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    Re: No one better on market to replace me – Massa

    Quote Originally Posted by Curbs View Post
    That means he can go back to his usual standard and pick up single points here and there, and even two on a good weekend. Suzuka was where it all counted. One good result counts for more than over three years with mediocre and bad ones.
    I hope he has a good salary to. Him being so loyal and PROUD for this team. Germany 2010, all I say. Since then I want him out. Loyal and teamplayer. Sure...thats baby sunshine.
    Just smile, thats worth more to most people here rather than results....
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    In my opinion Felipe most definitely deserves at least one more year in our team. People who criticise him, obviously don't understand what Felipe has been through since 2009. He went through a real crisis in his life and even had to see a psychiatrist last year, but he's been getting only better and better this season and I'm so happy for him. Most other people would've quit racing instantly after getting their heads smashed in with a spring and looking death in the eyes. But not Felipe! He's a fighter and deserved Ferrari driver. It's so easy to criticise him while sitting in your comfy couch, but those people who criticise him have no idea about what kind of pressure Felipe has been under. Being a Ferrari driver is not all rainbows and cupcakes, the expectations and the pressure on the Ferrari drivers is sky high every season. Yea ok, I admit that Felipe was well below par last season and in the beginning of this season, but now he's almost back to his very best again and he definitely deserves to have at least one more year in Ferrari. Cut Felipe some slack, he's doing fine!

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    Brazil 2007









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    These pictures make me wish him all the best.. He has been with Ferrari for a long time and has achieved some great success with the scarlett team. But then again he probably should have done a tad better the past 2 years and results are pretty much all that count in F1. I'm sure Ferrari knows what's best for the team and they'll either renew Felipe's contract or search another driver..

    The last couple of races have been OK from felipe. Well the Suzuka race was better than OK.

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    @Pekka
    Finally Pekka, a reasonable comment we can both agree on

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    I don't mean to feed yet another rumor regarding Massa, but this came directly from Ferrari's official twitter (and as a fan of course I am curious to know).

    Anyone knows what the Brazillian media said about Massa today?

    Ferrari twitter posted this, not sure if they are intentionally being cryptic or just translation
    @InsideFerrari
    In F1 everyone lives off certainties that are later proved wrong..The latest comes from Brazil and concerns @Felipe1Massa's future...

    @InsideFerrari
    To those who think they know it all, we can only say is there's nothing new under the sun...

    @InsideFerrari
    ...whether it shines on Maranello or Korea.No hurry!

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    That's some juicy info

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    I just want to know what the Brazilian media said, that twitter is not the main point. I know most people here who have twitter are probably following Ferrari already.

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    Apparently this is what they were reacting to:

    http://globoesporte.globo.com/motor/...entarista.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by F2002 View Post
    Apparently this is what they were reacting to:

    http://globoesporte.globo.com/motor/...entarista.html
    Thanks

    I was wondering what the media said that could have prompted Ferrari's reaction as there has always been rumors surrounding Massa's future and Ferrari never react to them.

    That article went so far as to predict the announcement is next Tuesday (as if they work in Ferrari), I guess Ferrari reacted to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F2002 View Post
    Apparently this is what they were reacting to:

    http://globoesporte.globo.com/motor/...entarista.html
    Erm why does my Translator substitute McLaren for Ferrari ????? Orrrrrrrr is this article blowing in the wind ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    Erm why does my Translator substitute McLaren for Ferrari ????? Orrrrrrrr is this article blowing in the wind ?
    I noticed that too.

    Unless I have gone totally nuts, I cannot even see which "Ferrari" did it replace - my one seems to have invented Mclaren in that sentence!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Thanks

    I was wondering what the media said that could have prompted Ferrari's reaction as there has always been rumors surrounding Massa's future and Ferrari never react to them.

    That article went so far as to predict the announcement is next Tuesday (as if they work in Ferrari), I guess Ferrari reacted to that.
    It still puzzles me, though, how we haven't had an announcement yet, especially as all indicators are that he is staying.

    You'd almost think that they are still negotiating the details and are yet to reach an agreement.

    Which wouldn't surprise me, as I'm sure that LDM will have taken the opportunity to re-discuss terms, to reflect recent and expected levels of performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F2002 View Post
    It still puzzles me, though, how we haven't had an announcement yet, especially as all indicators are that he is staying.

    You'd almost think that they are still negotiating the details and are yet to reach an agreement.

    Which wouldn't surprise me, as I'm sure that LDM will have taken the opportunity to re-discuss terms, to reflect recent and expected levels of performance.
    Yea, it surprises me too that Ferrari still hasn't announced anything regarding Massa's possible new contract.

    Something's going on...

    Either Ferrari wants to make sure that Felipe really is back in his best form before signing anything or they're still in talks with some other driver. Hopefully Felipe can stay with us and the long awaited announcement comes soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifoso84 View Post
    Yea, it surprises me too that Ferrari still hasn't announced anything regarding Massa's possible new contract.

    Something's going on...

    Either Ferrari wants to make sure that Felipe really is back in his best form before signing anything or they're still in talks with some other driver. Hopefully Felipe can stay with us and the long awaited announcement comes soon.
    Personally, I don't think that they are waiting for any more results from Felipe, although that may well be the way they dress it up for the public if he does stay.

    Speculatively, I'd say that, either there are still some contractual/financial details to be finalized, or he is leaving Ferrari after all, and they want to announce it only when all the other elements are in place (his replacement, his new team, etc.).

    As I said previously, indications are that he is staying, so to me, the former point about contract/finance is the easier one to digest at this stage.

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