Formula 1 cars 2014 - launch schedule

[wisepie]

Aesthetically, Sauber looks the best so far

Have to agree with you Rishu, elegant but purposeful, shame about the dull colour and I hope that this year it won't be holding us up too often!

[hudson77]

Thanks Hudson. You were right, good guess - http://www.sauberf1team.com/en/corporate/third-party-business/

I think the springs take out vibration/resonance from the big blowy pipe that the 'block' is supporting. Big blowy pipe is of course the technical term.

Loving the technical terms, Cheers for the link. Good guess indeed :)

[DIEK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Be6aJ-UIUAA8ZK8.jpg:large

[Forzi]

The Sauber looks as if Ferrari would have looked like that if they didn't want to go for the low flat nose idea.

[shamim179]

The Sauber looks very interesting. The inlet cross section of the airbox is large and has escape routes on the sides. So, they're looking at using that airflow around the upper profile of the body to combine with airflow coming from other areas? It's also extremely tightly packaged. You can tell that Sauber would be the one of the most formidable teams or even the most formidable if it weren't for their relatively low budget. Let's just hope we start off at least faster than them. Enough of the embarrassment over the last few years.

[Nova]

Like the Sauber...

[ntukza]

Next up South Africa.

we eagerly await your arrival. #Can'tWait

[FerrariFanBoii]

The Ferrari F2012 was not the ugliest stepped nose car, the Mercedes was!!

[Senna4Ever]

Now it is only waiting for the answer on the question: what has Newey done ...

[ManFromMilan]

Now it is only waiting for the answer on the question: what has Newey done ...



Hopefully something that is not going to work at all:-D

I would love to see Vettel struggle with the Force India's this year.

[tifosi1993]

Rumor has it that RedBull is going to do something "unusual" with RB10's gearbox...

[NasI]

They can do nothing special as they do not build their own gearbox. It as all speculation.

[wacc]

They do produce their own gearboxes. (http://www.infiniti-redbullracing.com/article/factory)

[Nova]

Mabey they will have a front wheel drive car?? :-D

[Senna4Ever]

Rumor has it that RedBull is going to do something "unusual" with RB10's gearbox...

:Hmm
what 'unusual' thing you can do with gearbox?
maybe that means that 2nd driver gets same quality products after Webber left?

[medeni73]

Mercedes video teaser

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2EVt5-Mcog&feature=youtu.be

It seems they're having Ferrari-style nose too or at least extreme slope as we do...

[NasI]

They do produce their own gearboxes. (http://www.infiniti-redbullracing.com/article/factory)

They try to build their car with parts of their suppliers.

[Hornet]

Certainly eager to see what Newey came up with. If the RB sidepod is larger than Ferrari's, I'd consider that a plus point for our engine cooling :-D

[Kristof_F40]

Certainly eager to see what Newey came up with. If the RB sidepod is larger than Ferrari's, I'd consider that a plus point for our engine cooling :-D

Unless our engine cooling will fail..

[Forzi]

Unless our engine cooling will fail..

So will Sauber then :-)

[Rosso Corsa]

So will Sauber then :-)

We used to have a very close relationship with Sauber. I'm not sure if it exists as strongly anymore, but I do wonder if their cooling solutions on the C32 were a partnership venture, technology share, in preparation for this year. They had very small sidepods last year. Engine cooling technology was something we shared between each other in the early 2000's if I remember rightly.

[Forzi]

We used to have a very close relationship with Sauber. I'm not sure if it exists as strongly anymore, but I do wonder if their cooling solutions on the C32 were a partnership venture, technology share, in preparation for this year. They had very small sidepods last year. Engine cooling technology was something we shared between each other in the early 2000's if I remember rightly.

Had the same thought. Their sidepods and air inlets are pretty much the same exact size as ours, with us and them having the smallest ones on the grid so far. Odd to see that ours got so small from being one of the biggest last year. Could this mean we shared ideas with them? I mean, it benefits them as much as it does us.

[Hornet]

Unless our engine cooling will fail..

Let's hope our estimation is spot on.

[Forzi]

From the pic, would guess it's a boy :-)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Be_-28iCIAAGJM4.jpg

[Ste]

http://i44.tinypic.com/206cwm8.jpg

[Forzi]

Yuk...
The nose... the sidepod size....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfAB_0_CMAAEtHt.jpg:large

[Ste]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2n1ucjq.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/5mb1i.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/2qi3giv.png
http://i39.tinypic.com/2m6n4lv.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/2vwii4o.png

[Ste]

Seems to me like they've got some pretty tight packaging around the rear!

[Kristof_F40]

Is it me or is the space under the front bigger than the McLaren?

[Rosso Corsa]

Seems to me like they've got some pretty tight packaging around the rear!

Haven't got to the rear yet. Can't stop looking at the thing at the front.

[Hornet]

Looks like Torro Rosso have the biggest finger so far

[Kingdom Hearts]

That nose, the Pinocchio car.

[Kristof_F40]

I don't want to sound inappropriate, that's not my goal, but what IF there's a collision, in which a car like the Torro Rossa hits another car from behind? I mean, with these central exhausts?

[Hornet]

I don't want to sound inappropriate, that's not my goal, but what IF there's a collision, in which a car like the Torro Rossa hits another car from behind? I mean, with these central exhausts?

The nose are not design to be hard. They are a crash structure that will break up upon impact

[Kristof_F40]

Seems that we and Lotus are the only one to do something different.. Don't know what to think..

[Forzi]

Look on that air intake over the drivers helmet.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_3550-886x590.jpg

[Kristof_F40]

Look on that air intake over the drivers helmet.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_3550-886x590.jpg

Are that 2 air intakes? One for cooling, one for engine?

[Forzi]

Are that 2 air intakes? One for cooling, one for engine?
Not sure, but would think not. No need for that much cooling, but that closing under the intake is rather odd compared to others.

[Aberracus]

In my opinion, Ferrari has gone for less drag, better fuel efficiency.

[WS6TransAm01]

that is borderline obscene...

[wacc]

Toro Rosso is using Red Bulls' gearbox.

[Kristof_F40]

Toro Rosso is using Red Bulls' gearbox.

Seb's or Daniel's?

[wacc]

http://i57.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0127/de/7e83e47c062c1eeaf4caa6334b8ee9de.jpg

[Kyss4k]

TR nose is the same as Sauber's nose. Wasn't a lot of you saying, that Sauber is the prettiest car so far? ;-)

[gvera]

In my opinion, Ferrari has gone for less drag, better fuel efficiency.


Quoted from the F14T tech specs at the official Ferrari site:

'Given that more cooling allows more horsepower, but more cooling also damages downforce generation it was necessary to decide very carefully on the correct level of overall cooling for the car to render the best lap time compromise between horsepower and downforce.'

[Hornet]

TR nose is the same as Sauber's nose. Wasn't a lot of you saying, that Sauber is the prettiest car so far? ;-)

Actually I don't think it's the same. Sauber's nose is more similar to a conventional nose, except that you cut off a small portion on both side at the front tip. And this cut-off length is a little shorter I think than TR's.

Torro Rosso is more like last year's nose, a little lower and much shorter, and a sausage hanging at the front.

Sauber's tip is more of a long triage shape, while TR's tip looks like a huge sausage

[wacc]

Interesting, they do not have the pillar to support the rear wing.

[Kyss4k]

Actually I don't think it's the same. Sauber's nose is more similar to a conventional nose, except that you cut off a small portion on both side at the front tip. And this cut-off length is no where as aggressive as TR's.

Torro Rosso is more like last year's nose, a little lower and much shorter, and a sausage hanging at the front.

There's a picture up there of Sauber's nose tip. It is the same thing. The height of it ay be different, but the solution of the "abnormality" is 100% similar.

[Hornet]

There's a picture up there of Sauber's nose tip. It is the same thing. The height of it ay be different, but the solution of the "abnormality" is 100% similar.
I agree the solution is the same, but from the side, you can see Sauber's tip gets progressively smaller towards the end. The side cut-away is similar to a conventional nose. TR's tip is much thinner, looks more like a dangling object from the side

[stefa]

That nose, the Pinocchio car.

To me is more like gonzo from muppet show :-)

[Avantifer12]

Given that the RB10 will use the same engine, I guess the bad thing is that tight packaging and sidepods but to be able to have this design they have a huge roll hoop intake for the engine, turbo and ERS hopefully this will not only create massive drag but also take alot of air from the RW.

[Rob]

I agree the solution is the same, but from the side, you can see Sauber's tip gets progressively smaller towards the end. The side cut-away is similar to a conventional nose. TR's tip is much thinner, looks more like a dangling object from the side

dangling a carrot, or even better a RBR contract :-G

[Kyss4k]

I agree the solution is the same, but from the side, you can see Sauber's tip gets progressively smaller towards the end. The side cut-away is similar to a conventional nose. TR's tip is much thinner, looks more like a dangling object from the side

Well, is it big enough difference to make Sauber the prettiest car? I think it's still a disgrace. :-??

[Hornet]

Is the TR's side pod smaller, bigger or similar to Ferrari's?

Although their air exit looks smaller at the rear, I can't decide if the sidepod is smaller or not :Hmm



dangling a carrot, or even better a RBR contract :-G
RB's contract is spot on :lol


Well, is it big enough difference to make Sauber the prettiest car? I think it's still a disgrace. :-??

Well of course, none of this year's car look as good as past years. I guess we're talking about how they look relative to other 2014 cars, since these are the only cars we'll see on track this year.

[Kristof_F40]

Well, is it big enough difference to make Sauber the prettiest car? I think it's still a disgrace. :-??

Indeed, it's just stupid, whether it's ugly or not, or nose also isn't a real beauty, but it's a nose, these things are noses with yeah, you know what it is, it's just stupid.. it's like making acar and than saying oh we need to put something in front because of regs..

[Jas]

Interesting, they do not have the pillar to support the rear wing.

noticed that aswell, this approach was meant that the two sides endplates of the rear wing would be rather "thick" but they don't look to bad in the pic...also notice the monkey seat!

[Kyss4k]

Is the TR's side pod smaller, bigger or similar to Ferrari's?

Although their air exit looks smaller at the rear, I can't decide if the sidepod is smaller or not :Hmm



RB's contract is spot on :lol



Well of course, none of this year's car look as good as past years. I guess we're talking about how they look relative to other 2014 cars, since these are the only cars we'll see on track this year.

I am as well ;-)

[wacc]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_3575.jpg

[Aberracus]

It looks like mercedes has gone with the similar nose as ferrari

5680

[Jas]

It looks like mercedes has gone with the similar nose as ferrari

5680

and used similar camera positions/shape to direct airflow!

[Avantifer12]

Is the TR's side pod smaller, bigger or similar to Ferrari's?


I also having some trouble deciding with the pictures we have. But from the side view it is clear that STR will try to get as much air as possible to the diffuser. STR side pods taper like crazy after the radiators hence the tight coke bottle and only has a small opening on each side compared to Ferrari where they use rather large openings on each side at the rear instead of a large hole at the end of the engine cover.
I just hope Ferrari has nailed the downwash effect with the flow conditioners so they can get sufficient air to the diffuser.

[Kyss4k]

It looks like mercedes has gone with the similar nose as ferrari

5680

Was about to post it.

Yep, it looks they are doing the same as we do. But it still can be a combination. Well... it still can have a willy :-)

[Aberracus]

I really feel better not being the only team with a low nose

[Kyss4k]

They do have another cooling inlet:
http://i.imgur.com/qVcuDJH.jpg

And a BIG display on the steering wheel:
http://i.imgur.com/AxatMf4.jpg

[Aberracus]

A big display, more options for electronic control of the ERS for the pilots, but how will they safely be able to run at 330 KPH and watch the display?

[Kyss4k]

A big display, more options for electronic control of the ERS for the pilots, but how will they safely be able to run at 330 KPH and watch the display?

Yeah, it would be better to use Google glass :-D

[DIEK]

http://i42.tinypic.com/2qi3giv.png Ah, he's been a boy! :-D

[Kristof_F40]

A big display, more options for electronic control of the ERS for the pilots, but how will they safely be able to run at 330 KPH and watch the display?

From what I understand drivers don't have a lot of control over the unit, it's in the maps.. but maybe I'm wrong..

[Suzie]

That Toro Rosso is so grim.

[Greig]

I know I will get used to the cars, but yuk for every single one of them.

[Tifoso]

They're hideous-including F14X@2, or whatever it's called. :-s

[Kyss4k]

I know I will get used to the cars, but yuk for every single one of them.

We should not need to get used to F1 cars :-s

[Kyss4k]

They're hideous-including F14X@2, or whatever it's called. :-s

T :rotfl

[AfterLife]

ToroRosso is the ugliest car up to now :doh

[AfterLife]

Seeing James Key in the STR9 Presentation, makes me feel pitty that we lost him to Toro Rosso. It could be brilliant if he was in Ferrari.

[Forzi]

They do have another cooling inlet:
http://i.imgur.com/qVcuDJH.jpg


Seriously? Could they have screwed up so badly with the cooling?

[stefa]

I really feel better not being the only team with a low nose

:-)

[Avantifer12]

Seriously? Could they have screwed up so badly with the cooling?

If you are refering to the small inlet just above the drivers head, most teams run with these inlets I'd say all teams if I'm not mistaken.

[Ste]

If you are refering to the small inlet just above the drivers head, most teams run with these inlets I'd say all teams if I'm not mistaken.
I think he's referring to the enormous cavern below the main airbox.

I mentioned earlier about the incredibly tight packaging around the engine - maybe they DO need the extra cooling from this secondary airbox.

[Forzi]

Yeah, referring to what Ste said. Seems it's just a plain exchange to open an inlet up there for having a bit smaller sidepods. Would like to have a top view. Hope RBR gets one going so we could do a decent comparison. So far seems that the sidepod inlets and the very front part of the sidepods are a bit bigger than our version or the one on the Sauber, but they made the very rear part quite a bit slimmer than ours.

[Avantifer12]

I think he's referring to the enormous cavern below the main airbox.

I mentioned earlier about the incredibly tight packaging around the engine - maybe they DO need the extra cooling from this secondary airbox.

Ok, I posted my thoughts on that at the top of page 11. I'm almost certain that they have sacrificed a balanced cooling solution for those really slim sidepods. Ferrari uses the sidepods to vent hot air, STR and probably all other Renault powered cars will vent most of the hot air through the engine cover.

[Ste]

This is from F1Extra on Twitter. Not sure how true this is, but there's no reason not
to believe it.

Today TJ13 has learnt that Renault are having trouble with their engine, specifically the crankshaft and it was described as a flaw. For months now TJ13 have been hearing rumours of a certain team having problems with their engines and that they just could not make it last.

This has to do with the internal vibrations that a V6 engine creates as apposed to a V8, the latter running much more smoothly. Add in the complexity of the turbo harvesting power as well as KERS… Tomorrow we may see Renault (and perhaps other engined teams) circulating at relatively low speeds so if track times appear slow, it is because they are.

[Tifoso]

Ok, I posted my thoughts on that at the top of page 11. I'm almost certain that they have sacrificed a balanced cooling solution for those really slim sidepods. Ferrari uses the sidepods to vent hot air, STR and probably all other Renault powered cars will vent most of the hot air through the engine cover.


That's odd. I was certain that they vented most of their hot air through Vettel. :-)

[Kristof_F40]

This is from F1Extra on Twitter. Not sure how true this is, but there's no reason not
to believe it.

How awesome would it be if Renault would struggle massive..

[Rob]

This is from F1Extra on Twitter. Not sure how true this is, but there's no reason not
to believe it.

Its been doing the rumour mill for month or so. If its true :-??

They been having problems for awhile, first on eto come to light (if true)was of the overheating of the turbos.

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

How awesome would it be if Renault would struggle massive..

Only for them to ask FIA permission to 'alter' their engine for reliability purposes...

[Jas]

Only for them to ask FIA permission to 'alter' their engine for reliability purposes...

which they did a few years ago to get on level playing with Ferrari and mercades...pathetic!

[Greig]

They were not the only ones, anyway there is no engine freeze now is there?

[Jas]

Key suggested that could provide the first technical showdown of the year when asked whether he had seen anything so far that looked to be pushing the regulations to the limit.

"Apart from the Lotus nose, no," he replied. "Not at the moment. The Lotus nose needs a bit of clarification. It's a very clever idea. The question really is 'is it within the spirit?' but we'll see.

[SS454]

I have to say the Torro Rosso car has some very interesting design ideas. It is mega ugly, that nose should be R rated, but the idea should allow gobs of air in and flow where they want it. I like the monkey seat they have and I like the cooling behind the drivers head. However, having a radiator device mounted that high up is poor center of gravity. I certainly don't expect to see STR near the front.

[Stino]

They were not the only ones, anyway there is no engine freeze now is there?

I believe Stefano said in his interview on the F14T website that the engines will be frozen somewhere in Februari.

[Hornet]

Key suggested that could provide the first technical showdown of the year when asked whether he had seen anything so far that looked to be pushing the regulations to the limit.

"Apart from the Lotus nose, no," he replied. "Not at the moment. The Lotus nose needs a bit of clarification. It's a very clever idea. The question really is 'is it within the spirit?' but we'll see.
IIRC, that within-the-spirit argument was used against the double diffuser, which did not work.

[Agron]

Stepped noses were hideous, I never thought they would manage to top that but this year they finally did it. Congrats whoever it is in charge for forcing teams into making platypus-looking, vacuum cleaner-sounding F1 cars.

[voiko]

I just saw a glimpse of the RB10 on snapchat for those who follow red bull ... EXTREME narrow and sleek side pods by the looks of it.. I wonder where they are cooling their hot hot engine from ... Hmmmm

[Rishu]

First pictures of W05 coming up:

http://i41.tinypic.com/r06plt.jpg

[medeni73]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfDIInoCMAAuLvv.jpg:large

I must admit it looks amazing...

[Rishu]

Packaging looks impressive

[Kyss4k]

Ok, their side pods are really small as well.

[Forzi]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/wpid-wp-13908937583181.jpg
http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/1/28/cdfe4eff-1d52-49b7-b657-88a9dfd5af20_800.jpg

[Forzi]

Seems they didn't go for the highest chasis possible like us. The nose is similar, just not that steep.

[Ste]

http://i42.tinypic.com/6fcp5l.jpg

[Rishu]

W05 now the best looking so far.. waiting for RB10 now

[Honzus]

W05 is very nice and has similar concept to F14-T, but IMHO Ferrari went more agresssive way :-) (and that is something I am very glad to say)

[Rishu]

RB10 coming out now

http://i44.tinypic.com/eskzg8.jpg

[Ste]

http://i44.tinypic.com/30x7y1y.jpg

[Rishu]

http://i42.tinypic.com/2hi85k2.jpg

[Ste]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2nsrqy9.jpg

[hrc5555]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2nsrqy9.jpg

RB will smash us all again! :-E :furious

[hrc5555]

This is extreme tight pac!

[Forzi]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/wpid-wp-13908946900401.jpg

[Jacquesvw]

RB will smash us all again! :-E :furious

Why? Because it looks pretty? Maybe we should write 2014 off already and start with the 2015 or 2016 car, what do you think?

[Kyss4k]

RB doesn't look to me like anything special. The Merc however... their sidepods look so small to me. Jesus.

[Forzi]

So it will be a battle of different philosophies.

[Ste]

http://i44.tinypic.com/fo3biv.jpg

[Rishu]

Yuck!!

[Honzus]

All cars have some special details, but at the end to me Ferrari seems to be the most highly-developed car out there!

[Kyss4k]

http://i44.tinypic.com/fo3biv.jpg

Dear lord :-E

[Forzi]

And i thought Toro Rosso looked bad...

[Honzus]

OMG that FI, hey I got the biggest ****! :clap :rotfl

[Jacquesvw]

OMG that FI, hey I got the biggest ****! :clap :rotfl

duck?

They have the smallest side pods though.

[medeni73]

look at their sidepod openings the smallest I've seen !!!

[Senna4Ever]

for me the lowest point of RB nose seems a bit to high - where's the difference to last year?

for TR - FI - Sauber - Williams it seems they are in the competition: who has the longest ... wonder if one of the cars had the internal project name: Long Dong Silver

[bkircher]

Man, never ever would have guessed that from the teaser pic FI posted a week back or so. Good lord! Things were looking so good for them too, haha, aka their paint scheme.

I dont know how anyone can say that our car is the "most developed" out of any of these new cars, Mercedes looks pretty developed to me... Their rear is so much more compact than ours, same with RB. That front wing on the W05, holy moly....

This statement is purely based off of the unveil pics, I feel like were already behind RB and Mercedes, again, purely off the launch spec pictures.

Hopefully testing goes well today.

[Kyss4k]

From that picture, Mercedes's sidepods inlets look enourmous. I am confused.

http://adamcooperf1.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/adam-cooper-w05.jpg

[medeni73]

Look at that Mercs FW :-E
http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Mercedes-AMG-F1-W05-Praesentation-Jerez-2014-fotoshowImage-627a0a33-750963.jpg

[Bubbles]

Look at that Mercs FW :-E
http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Mercedes-AMG-F1-W05-Praesentation-Jerez-2014-fotoshowImage-627a0a33-750963.jpg

So they're hoping all that crap will give them laptime? I'll take simple over complicated any day of the week, thank you!

Besides, do they really have the horsepower to push all those winglets through the air at 200mph?

Having seen all the cars, I think the Ferrari is going to be a beast this year.

[Rishu]

Pretty sure the cost of that FW is more than the apartment I live in

[Forzi]

http://f1tcdn.net/gallery/var/resizes/2014/redbull-rb10-launch/IMG_0441.JPG

http://f1tcdn.net/gallery/var/resizes/2014/redbull-rb10-launch/IMG_0442.JPG

[Jacquesvw]

So they're hoping all that crap will give them laptime? I'll take simple over complicated any day of the week, thank you!

Besides, do they really have the horsepower to push all those winglets through the air at 200mph?

Having seen all the cars, I think the Ferrari is going to be a beast this year.

I'm with you, but people here tend to think that complex and tightly packaged makes the car automatically faster.

[Rishu]

Based on just pictures, nothing more than that I'd say Merc > Ferrari > RB

[Forzi]

Waiting to see ours real FW.

[tifosi1993]

http://i42.tinypic.com/6fcp5l.jpg

F14-T style engine cover with similar cooling slot.

[Kyss4k]

There is some clever stuff going on with the RB'S nose tip. What is that?

[Ste]

Question is, what are Red Bull doing with the intake in their finger nose?

[Paulpg87]

It's not a technical opinion, but merc looks amazing. Insane packaging. RB too. damn

[Kyss4k]

Question is, what are Red Bull doing with the intake in their finger nose?

that and there are intakes below the nose. Where the deflectors are.

[Suzie]

http://i44.tinypic.com/fo3biv.jpg

My eyes! MY EYES!!!!

[Forzi]

Decent front view of the Merc
http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/1/28/a212dc90-574a-4b24-b7cb-ca59549a0a89_800.jpg

[Prish_94]

Didn't Ferrari say that their front wing wasn't ready yet for the launch. Keep the faith.:ferrarifl

[Kyss4k]

Btw, did RB hide their rear wing support into the car? It looks like it is comming inside.

[diego_alunan]

that force india is a bit vulgar i must say

[Super M]

Has ANYONE got pics of our car at Jerez ??

All these comments about other cars seemingly better than ours is getting a bit long in the tooth now......:furious

[Bubbles]

Decent front view of the Merc
http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/1/28/a212dc90-574a-4b24-b7cb-ca59549a0a89_800.jpg

Merc's sidepods look like last year's RB9's, but they aren't going to have the airflow for them. A straight copy by the Merc boys, only for the wrong year. A fail there.

I'm talking about the surface under the air intakes.

[OSS EL BOSS]

The Mercedes looks like a fast car.

[Kyss4k]

Guys, I am scare of Red Bull. They have a lot of stuff, that is not on any other car. I have a bad fealing about them :-(

[Schumiklub]

Here are a few Hi-Res photos

Mercedes

http://i.imgur.com/kvC7h9Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gLen5oW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FKVYLPN.jpg

Red Bull

http://i.imgur.com/cz4Y69K.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xhox1BQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vM7ywxp.jpg

[Kingdom Hearts]

Both, RB and Mercedes look amazing, hard not to feel a little intimidated.

[Rosso Corsa]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Be-7UOSCIAA-xTS.jpg

[F2002]

Force India is the proud winner of ugliest car, whilst RBR and Merc are certainly the most elegant.

Hopefully, the F14T will be quick enough to beat all of them, and that Ferrari haven't interpreted the new rules as conservatively as that raw looking nose seems to suggest.

[Bubbles]

Both, RB and Mercedes look amazing, hard not to feel a little intimidated.

The Ferrari looks alien. :-)

[Kyss4k]

http://i.imgur.com/9leeoLB.jpg

[Forzi]

http://f1tcdn.net/gallery/var/resizes/2014/redbull-rb10-launch/rb10-nose.jpg
http://f1tcdn.net/gallery/var/resizes/2014/redbull-rb10-launch/rb10-low.jpg

[Senna4Ever]

Must say in the first views I haven't seen the details about the nose from RB
Interesting detail in the front / at the nib ... could be like a mass dumper

guess first comes reliability now then we have to care about the aero package ...
Won't help much if you have the best aero package but blown engine all the time ...

But as expected: Mercedes and RedBull have the people to make it right from the start ...
ei ei ei ... will become interesting ...

[Honzus]

Did anyone see real photos of Williams, Caterham and Sauber from Jerez?

[wacc]

OMG, look at that Mercedes front suspension.
They did a beautiful work with their car. Also the front wing is evolution of last years' and it is much more developed then RB's or Ferrari's.

http://i.imgur.com/kvC7h9Q.jpg

Also their nose tip look much higher than that of Ferrari. Wonder how they managed to do that

[anuragiyer8989]

AUTOSPORT!!!

"08:38 - There's a distinctive rumble from directly beneath us in the media centre, which means one thing - Ferrari has fired up its F14 T"

:clap:-D

[hrc5555]

Why? Because it looks pretty? Maybe we should write 2014 off already and start with the 2015 or 2016 car, what do you think?

Of course not, that would be stupid!
We should have done much more tight pac and develope some more new solutions like RB and Merc! Look at RB rear suspension geometry...
They have new stuff, we dont and for me its half way to win!

[anuragiyer8989]

AUTOSPORT!!!

"08:39 - And out heads Kimi Raikkonen for the Scuderia, which is sporting a massive pitot sensor on the top roll hoop"

:clap:-D

[hrc5555]

OMG, look at that Mercedes front suspension.
They did a beautiful work with their car. Also the front wing is evolution of last years' and it is much more developed then RB's or Ferrari's.

http://i.imgur.com/kvC7h9Q.jpg

Also their nose tip look much higher than that of Ferrari. Wonder how they managed to do that


There is also interesting rear suspension on Merc! Did you look RB rear suspension, it it different to last years too!

[anuragiyer8989]

SKY WEBSITE:-

Accompanying us as ever on our journey through testing is Sky Sports F1's Ted Kravitz and here's his first update from the pitlane on the new sound of F1 and early analysis of the Red Bull and Mercedes:

“I was standing at the exit of the pitlane bang on nine o’clock as Lewis Hamilton came out and the new V6 turbo engine didn’t sound too bad, a cross between a Formula 3 car and a GP2 car. 18,000rpm it ain’t but I think it’s something we will get used to.

“I think this is certainly a statement of intent from Mercedes. Red Bull never planned to run much on the first morning, which is why they scheduled press conferences from 10am until lunchtime. But with only 12 days of testing – six per driver – time is against all the teams. I’m sure they would be running if they could but it’s a result of the complexity of these new systems which means that nobody is going to be fully prepared for the season by the time we get to Melbourne.

“Briefly on the car side, the Mercedes and the Ferrari look the best to me so far with adventurous aero solutions, especially their low nose and tight packaging around the rear sidepods getting good air flow to the top of the diffuser. The Red Bull looks very much a relative of last year’s RB9, very similar at the front with just a snow plough-style nose addition to satisfy the low-nose rules.”

[Kristof_F40]

damn

[Ste]

“Briefly on the car side, the Mercedes and the Ferrari look the best to me so far with adventurous aero solutions, especially their low nose and tight packaging around the rear sidepods getting good air flow to the top of the diffuser. The Red Bull looks very much a relative of last year’s RB9, very similar at the front with just a snow plough-style nose addition to satisfy the low-nose rules.”

Fingers crossed he's right.

[Greig]

LOL Ted the aero master now....

[Hornet]

Can't say I see anything special on Red Bull yet. :Hmm

Merc, now that's an awesome looking car. Look at the sidepod undercut :-E

Their nose tip looks much higher than Ferrari's?

Force India gets the biggest-sausage throphy :oops

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

Ferrari has a higher chassis than both Red Bull and Mercedes. That's why they have slightly more appealing noses (well atleast Merc anyway).

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

Mercedes have also copied Red Bull Side pod from last year... The shape is very similar :0

[Jacquesvw]

Of course not, that would be stupid!
We should have done much more tight pac and develope some more new solutions like RB and Merc! Look at RB rear suspension geometry...
They have new stuff, we dont and for me its half way to win!

I get your point, but think it's way too early to judge. Besides all the negativity on this forum is making me depressed.

[Hornet]

Anyone got a front shot comparison between the Merc and Ferrari? Or at least for the Merc.

I'm just curious how the Merc's front wing tip meets the rule. Maybe I'm seeing it wrongly, but it looks higher than Ferrari's front wing tip:Hmm

[tifosi1993]

I get your point, but think it's way too early to judge. Besides all the negativity on this forum is making me depressed.

It seems one or two individuals here have CFD eyeballs. Not only they can predict the pattern of airflow by just looking at the design, they can even predict other characteristics like traction, handling, downforce, drag etc etc....

I think Ferrari and other F1 teams should hire these individuals, no need to spend tens of millions on supercomputers running extremely advanced software or state of art wind tunnels.

[Senna4Ever]

Also their nose tip look much higher than that of Ferrari. Wonder how they managed to do that

On german pages they call it the horseshoe trick


A nose like a horseshoe

The new Mercedes AMGW05 has its own face. He is not a beauty , but among all the ugly cars still bearable . The nose drops in a cast from the front axle to bottom , and they are not tapered at its forward end in one of these thin proboscis, which cause all sorts of associations with the animal kingdom . It turns wider and more closely resembles the Ferrari , but solved much smarter . Nose and front wing pins viewed from the front , a horse shoe .
The trick with the horseshoe

This overhang on the sides gives the 9.000 mm2 area that demands the rules five centimeters behind the tip at a height of 18.5 centimeters. This can put the nose higher and direct more air under the car Mercedes. The front wing is some artwork of two main leaves and Three staged Flaps. On the upper floor there are two elements that are separated by a total of four flow straightener twice. The shape of the end plates shows that the air is also directed outwards , as in all other cars for the front wheels around.

A wishbone (a-arm) like a wing

Like the nose tricking the front of the regulations. The lower A-arm is off the wheel a big wide piece that splits into two wishbone just before the chassis approach. Thus Mercedes creates an additional front wing . Another interesting detail there is on the nose to see . The two TV cameras hanging on two stilts that grow like ears from the chassis . They have the function of turning vanes . Under the nose hanging like in the previous two flow straightener , which are intricately curved and divided several times. They channel the air vortex produced by the front wing and steer them around the side pods .

[Super M]

It seems one or two individuals here have CFD eyeballs. Not only they can predict the pattern of airflow by just looking at the design, they can even predict other characteristics like traction, handling, downforce, drag etc etc....

I think Ferrari and other F1 teams should hire these individuals, no need to spend tens of millions on supercomputers running extremely advanced software or state of art wind tunnels.


* Finally i agree with someone on here! :thumb

[Katu]

that force india is a bit vulgar i must say

only a bit? the worst so far i'd say

[wacc]

On german pages they call it the horseshoe trick

Thanks, have found that article on AMUS already. It is a shame that it was Mercedes that have found that trick not Ferrari.

[karvyin12]

would say RBR n merc look good in their respective paint job. Everyone went with their own interpretations of the new rules. I have a good feeling that we will deliver the K.O punch... :champ :ferrarifl

[Stormsearcher]

I think the RBR is the best looking car out there, closely followed by Merc and Sauber. Force india and the McLaren are down right ridiculous. Vulgar as someone put it.
As for our Ferrari, its ugly as sin... but if its fast.. i dont really care. :-D

[Senna4Ever]

Thanks, have found that article on AMUS already. It is a shame that it was Mercedes that have found that trick not Ferrari.

after the mule from last year no one was thinking 'calm' about a horseshoe ;)

[Hornet]

On german pages they call it the horseshoe trick

That's amazing. IMO this is probably the best nose solution of all.

Read somewhere else that one of the weakness of the finger nose is that the airflow in yaw condition may be disrupted by the finger, but it is when the car is in yaw condition that we need maximum downforce (that is when the car is cornering)

Ferrari's solution gives more consistent airflow in yaw condition, but it receive less airflow.

I guess Merc solution avoid both downside

[voiko]

Is there a full pic of the disgusting force India? Hahahahah it's horrendous

[Stebandelareina]

Guys, take a look at the Caterham.
5684

[tifosi1993]

Guys, take a look at the Caterham.
5684

Front Pull-rod.

[Hornet]

F1 2014's lower noses might not prove safer, Red Bull designer warns

Red Bull technical chief Adrian Newey has expressed safety fears over the new lower noses that have proved a striking feature on Formula 1 cars in 2014.

In an attempt to avoid a car being launched over the back of another in accidents, the 2014 Technical Regulations have stipulated the lowering of the tip of a car's nose from a height of 550mm to 185mm.

The regulation change has prompted a raft of different designs, and subsequent talking points, as teams decide how to manage airflow under their cars for aerodynamic gains.

However, while some of the designs themselves have been labelled as ugly, Newey thinks they also could prove problematic - with a potentially more dangerous 'submarine' effect occurring in crashes.

"The regulation has been introduced following some research by the FIA which suggests that nose height reduces the chances of cars being launched," he told reporters in a press conference on day one at the Jerez test.

"So [the rule changes is to try and avoid] the accident that Mark [Webber] had when he hit the back of [Heikki] Kovalainen in Valencia a few years ago. I must admit I am concerned that the opposite may now happen, that cars submarine effectively. So if you hit the back of the car square-on, you go underneath it and you end up with the rear crash structure in your face which I think is a much worse scenario.

"And there have been some accidents where you think if a low nose would have possibly made things much worse? There was the accident a couple of years ago where [Michael] Schumacher spun at the first corner and somebody mounted him - with a low nose that might that have made that worse.

"I guess it's like all these things; it might help in some scenarios, it hurts in others. It's one which I must admit I'm personally not in favour of." The veteran designer also pointed out that there had been examples in the past when lower noses hadn't prevented cars being launched into the air.

Newey cited the spectacular crash involving Riccardo Patrese and Gerhard Berger in the 1991 Portuguese GP, when the Italian's Williams launched off the back of the Austrian's McLaren.

"If the following car hits the rotation rear wheel it's going to get launched - I look back to Patrese's accident on Berger in Estoril many years ago. That was a low-nose car and it still got completely launched," he added.

"For me it's, possibly, introduced more dangers than it's cured."

Red Bull revealed their eagerly-anticipated RB10 on Tuesday morning, with their single low sloping nose design more closing resembling rivals Mercedes and Ferrari rather than some of the more ungainly looks elsewhere on the grid.

F1 2014's lower noses might not prove safer, Red Bull designer warns

[tifosi1993]

So it has pull rod front suspension, it has a double nose (sort of)....it's a interesting car nonetheless.

[Aberracus]

We are going out with flow viz, that's good

5685

[Aberracus]

sorry wrong post i was posting on jerez test

[Tony]

I like the Mercedes FW, but I think their nosecone seems more conservative than Ferrari's.... Ferrari's nosecone seems purposefully sculpted... From what we've heard, Ferrari's actual FW wont be seen until later on anyway.... so let's wait and see what happens...

All I can say about these tests though is that if RB continues to complain, that can only be good news for us Ferrari fans ;)

[Agron]

RB & Mercedes can actually be looked upon without pucking, congrats to them!

[F2002]

Force India is the proud winner of ugliest car, whilst RBR and Merc are certainly the most elegant.

Hopefully, the F14T will be quick enough to beat all of them, and that Ferrari haven't interpreted the new rules as conservatively as that raw looking nose seems to suggest.

Erratum: Caterham takes the honours.

[Nero Horse]

http://i44.tinypic.com/fo3biv.jpg


My eyes! MY EYES!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyz21LVPYaQ

[stefa]

I like the Mercedes FW, but I think their nosecone seems more conservative than Ferrari's.... Ferrari's nosecone seems purposefully sculpted... From what we've heard, Ferrari's actual FW wont be seen until later on anyway.... so let's wait and see what happens...

All I can say about these tests though is that if RB continues to complain, that can only be good news for us Ferrari fans ;)

Yes those complains are indeed good. I only afraid that they dont cry to much and than FIA change something in their favour.

[Paulpg87]

Speculations over techincal forums that RB nose is open redirecting air under the nose to the back diffuser or eventually to the inlet over drivers head

[Tifoso]

Packaging looks impressive

Err...thanks. My apologies. I didn't realize that my webcam was on. :oops :oops :oops

[Rob]

That inlet on the front of RBR car, looks like it is feeding the "s" duct. Outlet just behind Total sign..
http://i60.tinypic.com/vg4bqd.jpg

[hrc5555]

That inlet on the front of RBR car, looks like it is feeding the "s" duct. Outlet just behind Total sign..
http://i60.tinypic.com/vg4bqd.jpg

Wasn't that been outlawed? We entroducet that in 2008...

[DIEK]

2014 F1 noses could be dangerous, says Red Bull's Adrian Newey (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112318)

Adrian Newey reckons 2014 Formula 1 nose designs are not only ugly but could cause fresh dangers.
F1 has adopted low noses this year in a bid to prevent cars being launched into the air in rear impacts with rivals.
But Newey fears that the new designs could now be driven under rear crash structures if they hit a rival from behind.
"The regulations has been introduced following some research by the FIA that the nose height reduces the chances of cars being launched - like with the accident that Mark [Webber] had when he hit the back of [Heikki] Kovalainen at Valencia a few years ago," said Newey at Jerez.
"I must admit that I am concerned that the opposite may now happen - that cars now submarine effectively.

"So if you hit the back of the car square on, then you go underneath it and end up under the rear crash structure, which I think is a much worse scenario."
Newey also echoed criticism of the noses' aesthetics.
"I think it is a shame if regulations create ugly solutions, as we have seen in some of the cars that have been released," he said.

"It is not a strictly technical matter as we have to design a car that we feel gives the best performance regardless of the styling.
"But I think the shape of the cars, the sound of the cars, is all part of the drama of F1. And it is a shame if the cars are unattractive."

The nose issues are not Newey's only safety concerns, because he fears potential complications from a rule that mandates the new battery packs must be housed underneath the fuel tank in the centre of the car.
Until now, Red Bull housed its battery packs under the gearbox for packaging reasons and ideal weight distribution.

"It was done on safety grounds but I am not sure why putting a battery underneath a fuel tank is safer than putting it behind the engine," said Newey.
"I think it is unchartered territory. Boeing had an absolute nightmare with the batteries on their Dreamliner and had to ground the plane for a long time while they sorted it out.
"These batteries can suffer thermal runaway through impact, through causes that are difficult to predict and once they go into that with such a big battery pack then it is very difficult to control that fire.
"It is probably push it in the pitlane and watch it burn frankly.
"I don't think it is a driver safety concern because you know about it in a reasonable amount of time, but it is still a danger.
"I think also the voltages now are very high. Large DC voltages are very dangerous, and much more dangerous than an AC voltage, so for the whole of the pitlane safety is a big challenge with these cars."


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfAE1IsCIAAkgtB.jpg http://f1tcdn.net/gallery/var/resizes/2014/redbull-rb10-launch/exhaust.jpg

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/34126/JohnCena_dlt7.gif

[Rob]

Wasn't that been outlawed? We entroducet that in 2008...

We had pretty much complete hole shaped through the nose, where as last couple years Sauber and RBR have had small channels shaped as an S, so not complete hole.

[hrc5555]

We had pretty much complete hole shaped through the nose, where as last couple years Sauber and RBR have had small channels shaped as an S, so not complete hole.

So there is no big performance advantage, of we cant implement it on our car?

[AfterLife]

The green and black livery look beautiful in the new Caterham and the nose is lovely for me.
http://www.f1-direct.net/2014/img/livejerez/044.jpg

[Rob]

So there is no big performance advantage, of we cant implement it on our car?

Main reason is driver cooling, but it helps attach small flow along the top surface of the car. Nothing, massive.

[stefa]

Here are a few Hi-Res photos

Mercedes

http://i.imgur.com/kvC7h9Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gLen5oW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FKVYLPN.jpg

Red Bull

http://i.imgur.com/cz4Y69K.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xhox1BQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vM7ywxp.jpg

Both cars looks very nice. Let's just hope that nice is not fast enough for our "ugly: F14 T :-)

[redzone]

My word this year's cars are hideous.




http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/01-2014-Caterham-CAT05-Praesentation-Jerez-fotoshowImage-5aaef7bb-751322.jpg

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003779380/5954640177_Squidward__by_2D75_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg

[abbottcostello]

So Merc has copied our "corno del toro" solution, I knew inviting Lauda to Maranello was a mistake! :lol

Is Newey forgetting the crash testing that these structures are subjected to (rather conveniently it seems) when he levels all the criticism, citing an accident from 1991 that would have long gone technical practices in making the pieces. All he's doing is to get some on RB side, setting the table for a big push for rule changes a little way down the road.
As far as the battery under the fuel tank comparison to Boing's problems, IIRC the culprit there was wiring that ran right through the tank becoming brittle, leading to dead short circuit inside tanks that were frequently empty during many flights. This created a very volatile environment (think of a tank where remaining unusable fuel is evaporated into the air inside the tank). Nothing at all like fuel cells in race cars & if he's honestly worried, shouldn't he have voiced the concerns quite a bit earlier than now???
Sorry, I just don't trust RB & I think anything they say is ALWAYS with an ulterior motive, else they just keep their lips tightly together!:Hmm

[abbottcostello]

5690

Where is the air from that inlet going?

[mkable1370]

5690

Where is the air from that inlet going?

Possibly the cockpit? Or cooling electronics buried in there somewhere? We've seen those small openings in the nose this year and in past years on many F1 cars.

[mkable1370]

That's amazing. IMO this is probably the best nose solution of all.

Read somewhere else that one of the weakness of the finger nose is that the airflow in yaw condition may be disrupted by the finger, but it is when the car is in yaw condition that we need maximum downforce (that is when the car is cornering)

Ferrari's solution gives more consistent airflow in yaw condition, but it receive less airflow.

I guess Merc solution avoid both downside


If you look a some of the pictures from today's Jerez test session, you can see how the Flow-vis paint on the Ferrari nose indicates the air being fed around the nose toward the underside. I think Ferrari's rounded snout low-nose solution may end-up being better at flowing air (and especially at flowing air when the car is turning) than some suspect.

[alfarom147]

W05 is very nice and has similar concept to F14-T, but IMHO Ferrari went more agresssive way :-) (and that is something I am very glad to say)

Aggressiveness doesn't mean our car is better and that's why I'm worried:-s

[Rishu]

Err...thanks. My apologies. I didn't realize that my webcam was on. :oops :oops :oops

:lol

[abbottcostello]

Possibly the cockpit? Or cooling electronics buried in there somewhere? We've seen those small openings in the nose this year and in past years on many F1 cars.
Yeah, couldn't remember what they were doing with it, was thinking it used to be for F-duct or some such devious use.

If you look a some of the pictures from today's Jerez test session, you can see how the Flow-vis paint on the Ferrari nose indicates the air being fed around the nose toward the underside. I think Ferrari's rounded snout low-nose solution may end-up being better at flowing air (and especially at flowing air when the car is turning) than some suspect.
:thumb

[tifosi1993]

Marussia MR03

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/546/hc80.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/28/qduf.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/11/clpx.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/802/07mn.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/191/v8p9.jpg

[ManFromMilan]

The Marussia looks extremely plain and boring.

I would have thought they could at least afford to paint it brighter and flashy. Like the Jordans used to at least turn heads with their paint jobs.

[Nero Horse]

The Marussia looks extremely plain and boring.

I would have thought they could at least afford to paint it brighter and flashy. Like the Jordans used to at least turn heads with their paint jobs.

True dat. Those "Buzzin Hornets" and "Shark" liveries of Jordan were awesome!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Heinz-Harald_Frentzen_1999_Canada.jpg
http://www.f1journal.com/photos/red-shark_002.jpg

[shamim179]

Those cars would make you smoke!

Where is the Ferrari logo and name on the Marussia?

If our engine is good Marussia should do better than Caterham and maybe even some of the other teams!

[DIEK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bffk_URCAAA-DUN.jpg:large

[karvyin12]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bffk_URCAAA-DUN.jpg:large

Thanks. Good one Mate!

[DIEK]

Thanks. Good one Mate!

;-)

And here a F1 2014 interactive comparative:

http://cs322430.vk.me/v322430431/7cbe/9jWNTy6b2TA.jpg (http://mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=srs&s=31&a=86&b=85)

[Hornet]

That's an awesome site. Thanks for sharing.

[karvyin12]

;-)

And here a F1 2014 interactive comparative:

http://cs322430.vk.me/v322430431/7cbe/9jWNTy6b2TA.jpg (http://mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=srs&s=31&a=86&b=85)

Thanks Mate! :thumb

[Jas]

very tight rears on redbull and McLaren, lets hope we get a tighter one for Bahrain!

[Kyss4k]

very tight rears on redbull and McLaren, lets hope we get a tighter one for Bahrain!

Our rear is way tighter them McLaren's and slightly tighter then RB's. The cooling outlets may confuse you, but there is a huge undercut below them.

[gjoko-mkd]

Yes,on the those pictures we can see that our car have a tighter bodywork than RB


http://imageshack.com/a/img850/6852/etkj.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img690/4382/7mqn.jpg

[ntukza]

very tight rears on redbull and McLaren, lets hope we get a tighter one for Bahrain!

It's not working for RB now is it? It's easy to look at the opposition and suggest that we follow them, forgetting that it actually has to work.

[Winter]

Those skinny rears are so past season :-P

[Hornet]

It's not working for RB now is it? It's easy to look at the opposition and suggest that we follow them, forgetting that it actually has to work.

Different power units. Our sidepod radiator area is somewhat smaller (or at least better packed) than Red Bull or Merc. Maybe there's still room for Ferrari to tidy up the air outlet section at the rear. Doubt Red Bull's problem is due to their tidier outlet though, judging by where they drilled additional holes on Friday.

Renault themself have their own issues that affects other cars. Caterham with their huge crude sidepod and outlet (so huge you can see part of the turbo unit!) didn't seem to do much running either.

[PURE PASSION]

Yes,on the those pictures we can see that our car have a tighter bodywork than RB


http://imageshack.com/a/img850/6852/etkj.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img690/4382/7mqn.jpg
Exactly!!!!!!:thumb
And in the 1st picture if you move it a little bit to the right(on the RBs cameras) you will see that the difference is even better!!!!!!!!

[Jas]

I was talking right at the back where our exits are...they seem bigger, maybe because red bulls seem to be further back towards the rear of the car

[gjoko-mkd]

homework done:-D


http://imageshack.com/a/img691/3900/fmns.jpg

[Avantifer12]

Funny! Pastor is mad. (I know it's not the E22)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXATzDBDjgo&feature=youtu.be

[Jas]

Just seen a pic of the lotus at lotus on facebook, with something highlighted near the exhaust...looks quite interesting!!! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

[Jas]

if the link does not work its on the facebook page....Scudderia Ferrari Fans

[gjoko-mkd]

James Allen posted a information about Lotus filming test result yesterday :total= 1 lap ?

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/02/new-lotus-f1-car-finally-gets-going-but-how-far-behind-are-the-renault-powered-teams/

[Hornet]

James Allen posted a information about Lotus filming test result yesterday :total= 1 lap ?

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/02/new-lotus-f1-car-finally-gets-going-but-how-far-behind-are-the-renault-powered-teams/
It would be interesting to know what's the reason behind it. In Jerez, some teams couldn't get going on day 1 due to setup issues. Of course on day 2 some continue to had troubles due to Renault power unit. Wonder which one it was for Lotus

[SilverSpeed]

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

1lap very stronk!

[Senna4Ever]

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

1lap very stronk!

Just for information
according to german motorsport-total.com on the second day they drove the allowed 100km limit without any problems. Which was more than RedBull did on 4 days. So it doesn't seem a Renault issue itself ... and when RedBull open the gates of hell who knows what monster Newey has born ...

So we shouldn't laugh at Renault too early!!! Or as we say in Austria: as long as the bear hasn't been shot don't waste time to divide the fur

[Kiwi Nick]

"So we shouldn't laugh at Renault too early!!! Or as we say in Austria: as long as the bear hasn't been shot don't waste time to divide the fur[/QUOTE]

Or the American version: Don't count your chickens before they hatch!

[Avantifer12]

Limited view of the E22. Maybe a DRD at the back, note where the focus is and where they are pointing the blowers, seems like Renault still runs pretty hot.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgIjSPSCEAARaQE.jpg:large

[Senna4Ever]

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

1lap very stronk!

according to german motorsport-total.com during this 2 "filiming days" Renault tested
- major updated powertrain
- minor changes of the hardware
- minor changes of the software
- minor changes in calibration

results of the test should be forwarded to all Renault teams. Updates will be available for first Bahrain test.

so let's see what Bahrain brings and how thing will proceed - maybe some might have made the check without the landlord

[impactX]

Very informative and useful video on 2014 Season by Allan McNish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzRoKW7LHz8

[Aberracus]

hey guys i have read this on F1 Technical

Scarbs says in the latest "Motorsport Monday" release that Ferrari were running their ERS at 37.5% for a limited amount of laps as the 3 large cables carrying the current were overheating.

http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//la ... 6e&pnum=16 (http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//launch.aspx?eid=96b46c21-0c3b-4965-b86f-3dc8807b356e&pnum=16)

[Ste]

hey guys i hace read this on F1 Technical

Scarbs says in the latest "Motorsport Monday" release that Ferrari were running their ERS at 37.5% for a limited amount of laps as the 3 large cables carrying the current were overheating.

http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//la ... 6e&pnum=16 (http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//launch.aspx?eid=96b46c21-0c3b-4965-b86f-3dc8807b356e&pnum=16)
My question is, how could he possibly know that?

[Aberracus]

Thats a good question, But Scarb is Scarb, he is in the know; probably have friends on right places.

[Bertie]

hey guys i have read this on F1 Technical

Scarbs says in the latest "Motorsport Monday" release that Ferrari were running their ERS at 37.5% for a limited amount of laps as the 3 large cables carrying the current were overheating.

http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//la ... 6e&pnum=16 (http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//launch.aspx?eid=96b46c21-0c3b-4965-b86f-3dc8807b356e&pnum=16)

If true then its not all bad. The article says we reduced the output by 100bhp. So that means an instant power increase in the next test just by changing for bigger wires. We have been hearing that the merc engine seemed more powerful in jerez. But i think if it was 100bhp more powerful we would of heard more. On a negative note, is this the cause of the wired sound our car made when down shifting instead of an inovative zero-torque gear box?

[Kiwi Nick]

If true then its not all bad. The article says we reduced the output by 100bhp. So that means an instant power increase in the next test just by changing for bigger wires. We have been hearing that the merc engine seemed more powerful in jerez. But i think if it was 100bhp more powerful we would of heard more. On a negative note, is this the cause of the wired sound our car made when down shifting instead of an inovative zero-torque gear box?

Question is...did other teams have to dial back their power as well?

[ManFromMilan]

Thats a good question, But Scarb is Scarb, he is in the know; probably have friends on right places.




I'm sure he does have friends in the right places, just as every rumor that turns out to be true is also someone that knows someone in the right places.

As this is still just testing and not Melbourne Qualifying, i'm still confident that we are still on par for great season in 2014. Good to sort these "issues" out now and get the most complete package ready for Melbourne.

Testing times count for nothing in the Championships.

[Nero Horse]

As this is still just testing and not Melbourne Qualifying, i'm still confident that we are still on par for great season in 2014. Good to sort these "issues" out now and get the most complete package ready for Melbourne.

Testing times count for nothing in the Championships.

Well said! :thumb

Got to stay positive and have faith in our great team.

[gjoko-mkd]

What is it exiting from this hole at RB? It is not a sunshine reflection because the sun is at the opposed side of the hole

http://www.toilef1.com/IMG/jpg_Sans_titre_211.jpg

[Tifoso]

Looks like a chip to me. :Hmm

[Module]

What is it exiting from this hole at RB? It is not a sunshine reflection because the sun is at the opposed side of the hole



They had a "small" issue with heat :-)

There is a picture of the fix here:

http://thejudge13.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/jerez-test-analysis-6.png

(too big to upload)

[ManFromMilan]

Looks like a chip to me. :Hmm



Could be.

I have said before that it looks like RBR have successfully made an Oven for this year. And Ovens are great for making chips.

To bad they don't have a proper car still, because Ovens are not that fast generally.:-D

[Kyss4k]

What is it exiting from this hole at RB? It is not a sunshine reflection because the sun is at the opposed side of the hole



It's cooling outlet. They added them (on both sides) as they were desperate with overheating issues. Didn't really help I guess :roll

[NasI]

The oldway is not beaten from Roy this time but from his student Alison. What a difference! Now we can understand that his involvement has to be mature and adequate. :clap

[Stebandelareina]

Renault is thinking in ask for an exception to the freezing due to reliability problems.

Remember when in the jerez testing I tould you that the FIA could start to buy tissues for Renault?

Why this season smells this bad even when the championship hasn't started yet?.