Australian GP 2014 Race thread

[Majki2111]

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2014/914/7317/fastest_laps.html
The car has its problems but it is has a good pace...

[DJTaurus]

I totally understand fernando's disappointment and this fact is even worrying considering that it is just the first race of the season. He wont look for excuses like ERS.... in the previous years i remember that after a bad result he never looked so disappointed as today... he always kept his mentality strong. After so many years of failures the guy just needs a car like mercedes to be able to compete from the start..... enough is enough.

[FerrariF60]

He does not want to get another ear tweaking

yup, he learned that teh hard way last year....he's doing his best with what he has at his disposal
he's not TOO worried about it; he's making the same money weather he gets a fast car or not....LOLOLOLOL

[Laferrari]

I totally understand fernando's disappointment and this fact is even worrying considering that it is just the first race of the season. He wont look for excuses like ERS.... in the previous years i remember that after a bad result he never looked so disappointed as today... he always kept it up his mentality. After so many years of failures the guy just needs a car like mercedes to be able to compete from the start..... enough is enough.
Hé understand That he CAN t win this year ...1.5 sec at least behind Mercedes You CAN t recover That .

[Rob]

Hé understand That he CAN t win this year ...1.5 sec at least behind Mercedes You CAN t recover That .

Take it you didnt watch 2012?

[mark p]

And we should not forget the retirements of Ham..massa .and pettel..out of which surely 2 would have finished ahead of us had they completed the race ahead of us
So we would have been maybe 7th and 9th

Ifs and buts. If Ferrari had no electrical issues they would have beaten all but Mercs so 3 and 4 had Hamilton finished. This is not what happened and is fantasy same as saying if this or that finished Ferrari would be further back.

[LivingHitokiri]

I might be wrong, but the feeling I get is that they are just trying to keep a positive front. It didn't feel like "wow we finished the race", but more like "well at least we finished the race". They both sounds a little dejected I think. Can't blame them if they do.

Yeah you're probably right , i just took the way both drivers said about " well least we managed to finished the race " with more emphasis.
They really did look and sound disappointed tho, maybe they knew they had more pace but the problems held them back ?

[Nero Horse]

yup, he learned that teh hard way last year....he's doing his best with what he has at his disposal
he's not TOO worried about it; he's making the same money weather he gets a fast car or not....LOLOLOLOL

What's with the mocking and sarcastic talk??? Are you a Ferrari fan or not?! What kind of a fan mocks his own favorite team??? I just don't get you people, at all! :-??

[Rob]

We can and wil improve. This weekend was seen as 1 big test. We knew the weakness of the cars had ers problem now time to study data and come together and make thatnext step. We have nice few updates coming. Just got sort the BBW system for kimi aswell.

All in all. Not great day, but ok. Double points finish despite ers failure and not being able to open the taps full.

[zike]

This year we have a baluga mule,year after year we are making same cars, f14t is f138 with an ugly nose......unbelievable

[Laferrari]

Take it you didnt watch 2012?
That was a pure miracle to be "in fight" with RBR that year....but i hope , i hope some miracle by alonso,raikkonen,allison And ALL Ferrari member...

[FerrariF60]

What's with the mocking and sarcastic talk??? Are you a Ferrari fan or not?! What kind of a fan mocks his own favorite team??? I just don't get you people, at all! :-??

i'm not mocking anyone mate...i'm just saying what the truth is at this very moment...believe you me, i WANT ferrari to shine and do well, but looking at stats currently, well we're not doing that HOT...

this could all change in the next races or at least we all hope as ferrari fans...

im sure no one is happy at Ferrari in maranello right now...and prolly Luda D is fuming with the results and form ferrari have shown so far...but we'll get there and let's hope we'll get there fast...as F1 is moving so fast, no time to relax

[tifosi1993]

Australian GP 2014 Lap Chart (http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&gp=914&graf=3&dr1=Fernando%20Alonso&dr2=Kimi%20R%C3%A4ikk%C3%B6nen)

[LivingHitokiri]

There are some reports that kimi didnt used his DRS after first pits stop and that Fernando also had the same problem until the last part of the race.
These are just rumors flying around tho.

[Nero Horse]

This year we have a baluga mule,year after year we are making same cars, f14t is f138 with an ugly nose......unbelievable

'Nice support'... pfffff *smh* :-??

[wacc]

There are some reports that kimi didnt used his DRS after first pits stop and that Fernando also had the same problem until the last part of the race.
These are just rumors flying around tho.

Fernando did use DRS when driving behind Hulk. But it did not help him.
Edit: some people still looking for reasons why the car was not going as fast as Mercedes when it actually in their eyes was as fast or faster :lou

[Katu]

There are some reports that kimi didnt used his DRS after first pits stop and that Fernando also had the same problem until the last part of the race.
These are just rumors flying around tho.

that would explain why he didn't pass hunkelberg

[LivingHitokiri]

Ted notebook confirms that we had ERS and battery problems today which is huge but apparently even with those shorted we are .5 seconds behind Mercedes pace.
Ted mentioned about a rumor that the Ferraris are 18 kilos overweight....

[Smintlemon]

Ok Guys, After First Weekend my opinions ist hat the f14t is a very fast Car. But they have to. Manage the Issues with the PU and electrical. There is no Problem with fuel consumption or aero. In the Race You can See that they had Not enough power.

[fratelliferrari]

Anyone got links of the reactions of Fernando and Kimi after the race? I would like to hear what their feelings are but I haven't got BBC/Sky so I haven't seen an interview of either of them.

[zike]

'Nice support'... pfffff *smh* :-??

Look mate, I am a Ferrari fan for as long as I watch F1, and its from 89 and I love this team....but tell me seriously do you see any improvement in our car design for 09? I am not trolling, just saying what I am thinking.....it is just a constructive criticism

[Rob]

Ted notebook confirms that we had ERS and battery problems today which is huge but apparently even with those shorted we are .5 seconds behind Mercedes pace.
Ted mentioned about a rumor that the Ferraris are 18 kilos overweight....

The same rumour that was going around about Merc. Its just a rumour.

[Nero Horse]

Ted mentioned about a rumor that the Ferraris are 18 kilos overweight....

No way is that possible LOL.

[tifosi1993]

Ted notebook confirms that we had ERS and battery problems today which is huge but apparently even with those shorted we are .5 seconds behind Mercedes pace.
Ted mentioned about a rumor that the Ferraris are 18 kilos overweight....

18 kg overweight?? i hope its not true.

[LivingHitokiri]

Anyone got links of the reactions of Fernando and Kimi after the race? I would like to hear what their feelings are but I haven't got BBC/Sky so I haven't seen an interview of either of them.

Well the Image i got from drivers are : Fernando was disappointed,barely said a word,while Kimi looked off and the only positive he said about feeling ok with medium tyres or something.
yeah both drivers didnt look good.

[Alesi1]

Sorry guys I'm gutted. Secretly hoped we were sandbagging and were going to come and blow them all away. Now I realize that the whole not completing laps etc was because they knew they were slow. What the hell. I don't think I'm asking much Because it's been so long since we produced something fast straight of the blocks (2004 I think.) pretty disappointed thanks Ferrari, another year like this is going to hurt big time.

[LivingHitokiri]

The same rumour that was going around about Merc. Its just a rumour.
Yeah, seems quite unreasonable, we would be losing much more if it was true.


No way is that possible LOL.
yeah the pace doesnt excuse the weight, 18 kiloas are a lot.

18 kg overweight?? i hope its not true.
Its more likely false but, there could be a tiny chance that we have some unwanted kilos on our car.

[arcabe]

If this is the middle race of the F1 calendar season, I would be bothered by our performance. Since it was the first race, I still feel we are in a fighting chance, a lot of time to develop the car (electrical unit?). And I think it's just a BIG luck for RB to finish the race..:roll

[bluesilhouettes]

I always keep in my mind that Ferrari's sidepod (lower part to the floor) is so stupid but never be changed.
F14T is really a F138 and new ugly nose and new power unit.
All Ferrari powered cars earned 14 compared to Ric 18.
About the DRS, I can see that Fernando used it all the time he was allowed to use it.

[Nero Horse]

18 kg overweight?? i hope its not true.

Of course it's not true. If it were true then we'd be behind Caterham and Marussia right now. 18 kilos is a massive weight in F1 and if our cars would be 18 kilos overweight then we sure as hell wouldn't have finished where we finished today, especially when considering that we had ERS issues.

[mark p]

Ted notebook confirms that we had ERS and battery problems today which is huge but apparently even with those shorted we are .5 seconds behind Mercedes pace.
Ted mentioned about a rumor that the Ferraris are 18 kilos overweight....

Ted is a plonker. During the race he thought as the engines are direct injection they do not have spark plugs. How did he think they ignite fuel? He is inept. Weight rumour? Ah yes there was no fuel consumption issues like the media though so they need another rumour to pedal.

How does this man who does not know how engines work start giving figures on time lost due to electrical issues? Only Ferrari will know this. He is not fit to speculate as with his engine comments i bet he can't check fluid levels on his road car.

[Alonso14]

18 kg overweight?? i hope its not true.

18 kg? Impossible. That's way too much to be true.

[wacc]

Pit stops:
7 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 21.825
14 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 21.978
8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 22.264
20 Kevin Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 22.273
22 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 22.399
22 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 22.411
3 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing-Renault 22.427
11 Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 22.497
11 Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 22.526
27 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 22.615
17 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Ferrari 22.656
13 Pastor Maldonado Lotus-Renault 22.847
14 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 22.887
27 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 22.933
25 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Renault 22.978
3 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing-Renault 22.994
77 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes 23.117
25 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Renault 23.124
20 Kevin Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 23.150
9 Marcus Ericsson Caterham-Renault 23.238
4 Max Chilton Marussia-Ferrari 23.493
6 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 23.673
21 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 23.797
17 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Ferrari 23.821
26 Daniil Kvyat STR-Renault 23.920
4 Max Chilton Marussia-Ferrari 24.209
99 Adrian Sutil Sauber-Ferrari 24.305
6 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 24.331
11 Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 25.541
7 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 25.543 (stopped at the same time as Fernando due to SC)
26 Daniil Kvyat STR-Renault 30.514
21 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 32.657
77 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes 34.921

[LivingHitokiri]

Ted is a plonker. During the race he thought as the engines are direct injection they do not have spark plugs. How did he think they ignite fuel? He is inept. Weight rumour? Ah yes there was no fuel consumption issues like the media though so they need another rumour to pedal.

How does this man who does not know how engines work start giving figures on time lost due to electrical issues? Only Ferrari will know this. He is not fit to speculate as with his engine comments i bet he can't check fluid levels on his road car.
Harsh but there is truth in your words, Ted seem to report a lot of inaccurate information lately,especially about our car. maybe Sky Sports is forcing him to od that in order to attract more audience or create drama.


On other note both kimi and Fernando report that they had much better time in mediums and that they had some rear wear issues with softs during the race.

[F1NAC]

Ted is a plonker. During the race he thought as the engines are direct injection they do not have spark plugs. How did he think they ignite fuel? He is inept. Weight rumour? Ah yes there was no fuel consumption issues like the media though so they need another rumour to pedal.

How does this man who does not know how engines work start giving figures on time lost due to electrical issues? Only Ferrari will know this. He is not fit to speculate as with his engine comments i bet he can't check fluid levels on his road car.

it's diesel :DDD

[Ste]

Yeah apparently we are 18KG overweight? Can't understand that since our engine is lighter too.

18KG would put us 2+ seconds off the pace! surely? Clearly we aren't.

[wacc]

I always keep in my mind that Ferrari's sidepod (lower part to the floor) is so stupid but never be changed.


This just shows that you have no idea of what you are talking about...

[Aussie]

Sorry guys I'm gutted. Secretly hoped we were sandbagging and were going to come and blow them all away. Now I realize that the whole not completing laps etc was because they knew they were slow. What the hell. I don't think I'm asking much Because it's been so long since we produced something fast straight of the blocks (2004 I think.) pretty disappointed thanks Ferrari, another year like this is going to hurt big time.

Gutted dan finished 2nd was a awesome day for Australia

[tamburello]

No change without change.

Those who ask for critical threads to be closed will not change results.

Luca has failed us. His puppet is weak. There will be no change until this changes.

1986 and 2014, twins separated by 28 years.

We are mediocre, and the blame is within.

Some don't like it stated, but there is no better truth.

[Nero Horse]

Yeah apparently we are 18KG overweight? Can't understand that since our engine is lighter too.

18KG would put us 2+ seconds off the pace! surely? Clearly we aren't.

Exactly! Ted is such a dumb muppet for even mentioning this ridiculous rumor LOL.

[fronaldo]

18 kilos equals to 0.5s..might be rumors

[Aussie]

Got to say it well done dan

[hogo]

Very dissapointed, like everyone else. Once again I blame Tombazis and his team (is he going to blame wind tunnel again?). Stefano is also very responsible for this yet another failure... We have 4th fastest car atm, maybe even 5th fastest. At least we finished so we will be getting some points this year.

[Ste]

18 kilos equals to 0.5s..might be rumors

It'll equal a lot more than that. Drivers wouldn't have been losing so much weight if that were true. Lewis' 3KG weight loss would've gained him only 0.06 per lap.

[fronaldo]

It'll equal a lot more than that. Drivers wouldn't have been losing so much weight if that were true. Lewis' 3KG weight loss would've gained him only 0.06 per lap.
Agree with that..bar the problems..are we really, i mean really far behind Mercedes?

[Tobes]

As much as I understand the fustration, i'm not sure why there was any unrealistic expectations, it is a bit disappointing but we are pretty much as we were after the final Bahrain test, we knew the Mercedes was the faster car, and the Mercedes engined cars were quick, especially the Williams, I was expecting Lewis to win today, was not surprised by the pace of the Force India (in the hands of Nico) and both Toro Rosso's had good race pace, the only real surprise was the Red Bull, I hoped we might make some places with retirements, which was the case, but we also had our own problems which hampered us the entire race, I guess we were fortunate that of all the usual suspects to win the WDC both Lewis and Seb got nil points, so could've been worse, ultimately i'm slightly disappointed but satisfied with both cars finishing in the points, without the electrical issues maybe we could've done a bit better, but had Seb and Lewis finished it could've been worse, it's not ideal but it's a solid start... :-)

[LivingHitokiri]

Very dissapointed, like everyone else. Once again I blame Tombazis and his team (is he going to blame wind tunnel again?). Stefano is also very responsible for this yet another failure... We have 4th fastest car atm, maybe even 5th fastest. At least we finished so we will be getting some points this year.

The problem doesn't seem to come from aero though , it is the PU and electronics which Tobazi got nothing to do with.
I dont see how Tobazi is to blame in here.

[Nero Horse]

So with a car that is supposedly 18 kilos overweight and had ERS issues as well today, we still managed to finish on 5th and 8th places? Wooow, how powerful our engine must be then! :-E

[wacc]

Very dissapointed, like everyone else. Once again I blame Tombazis and his team (is he going to blame wind tunnel again?). Stefano is also very responsible for this yet another failure... We have 4th fastest car atm, maybe even 5th fastest. At least we finished so we will be getting some points this year.

This may not be down to Tombazis but Marmorini.

[EL_NANDO]

Went to the race today, the car by our standards is an absolute disgrace. We were very, very, very lucky to even finish 5th in the end, with Hamilton retiring, Vettel having issues over the weekend, and Bottas making that mistake.

I mean how can Torro Rosso's be attacking us in the race? We build our own engine, the Renault engine has had so many problems over the weekend.

I know this sounds harsh on Ferrari, but Alonso should really leave to McLaren, Red Bull or Mercedes ASAP. He deserves so much better than what Ferrari can produce. It's not like Ferrari produce a good car every 2/3 seasons, it's been 5 years now and this is probably the worst it's looked.

I am hoping there is a technical issue we need to resolve, because if that's 100% our performance, we may as well start focusing on 2015 already. Even then, the car will still be an embarrassment. Of course Stefano will tell us to stay calm and focus on ourselves, we'd be better off teaching a parrot to say that phrase, we'd at least save some money on his salary.

RANT OVER.

[zike]

We dropped the ball again, no suprises there really.:-(:-(

[mirafiori]

So with a car that is supposedly 18 kilos overweight and had ERS issues as well today, we still managed to finish on 5th and 8th places? Wooow, how powerful our engine must be then! :-E

Sorry Nero Horse just caught up with the forum, so we are 18 kilo's over weight may be rumor, if this is true we were running round with to much fuel making us slower. Am i understanding this correctly/??/?????:Hmm

[Hornet]

As much as I understand the fustration, i'm not sure why there was any unrealistic expectations, it is a bit disappointing but we are pretty much as we were after the final Bahrain test, we knew the Mercedes was the faster car, and the Mercedes engined cars were quick, especially the Williams, I was expecting Lewis to win today, was not surprised by the pace of the Force India (in the hands of Nico) and both Toro Rosso's had good race pace, the only real surprise was the Red Bull, I hoped we might make some places with retirements, which was the case, but we also had our own problems which hampered us the entire race, I guess we were fortunate that of all the usual suspects to win the WDC both Lewis and Seb got nil points, so could've been worse, ultimately i'm slightly disappointed but satisfied with both cars finishing in the points, without the electrical issues maybe we could've done a bit better, but had Seb and Lewis finished it could've been worse, it's not ideal but it's a solid start... :-)

What concerns me is that even if we did not have any of the issues mentioned, I think the best we could do today is P2. Alonso himself said the gap to Rosberg was too much.

In other words our deficit to Merc may be purely from the performance of our design, and that will be difficult to make up for.

[wacc]

It'll equal a lot more than that. Drivers wouldn't have been losing so much weight if that were true. Lewis' 3KG weight loss would've gained him only 0.06 per lap.

from F1fanatic (previous seasons):
Fuel use per lap 1.7kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.051s

that means 0.03s per 1 kg

18 kg approx. 0,5 s

This year it is a bit different but not that much.

[Ste]

On second inspection, 18KG may well equate to 0.54 per lap. There's a McLaren PDF stating a KG of fuel equals a loss of 0.03s per lap. 18KG would therefore be 0.54s.

If that figure is still correct, I'm surprised about the drastic weight loss by drivers. Is half a tenth really worth losing 3KG over? Hmm.

[wacc]

As much as I understand the fustration, i'm not sure why there was any unrealistic expectations, it is a bit disappointing but we are pretty much as we were after the final Bahrain test, we knew the Mercedes was the faster car, and the Mercedes engined cars were quick, especially the Williams, I was expecting Lewis to win today, was not surprised by the pace of the Force India (in the hands of Nico) and both Toro Rosso's had good race pace, the only real surprise was the Red Bull, I hoped we might make some places with retirements, which was the case, but we also had our own problems which hampered us the entire race, I guess we were fortunate that of all the usual suspects to win the WDC both Lewis and Seb got nil points, so could've been worse, ultimately i'm slightly disappointed but satisfied with both cars finishing in the points, without the electrical issues maybe we could've done a bit better, but had Seb and Lewis finished it could've been worse, it's not ideal but it's a solid start... :-)

this :thumb

[mark p]

it's diesel :DDD

Yeah. Ted will now report Ferrari are worried about the engine starting as electrical issue effects the glow plugs. In the race the DPF filter was blocked etc etc.

The only way Ferrari would be 18kg overweight is if Ted sat in the drivers seat.

[F2002]

Mercedes may have a better engine, but remember that one of their cars stopped after four laps. Despite the general feeling, they still haven't got it flawlessly right either. We won't win the championship just by completing races, but finishing with both cars is a very positive start, if only for the large amount of data collected from the cars, all available for analysis.

In this day and age, I'd rather have two reliable cars and then work progressively on improving the performance, rather than quick, but fragile equipment.

About the race itself, very boring, drivers almost completely absorbed by fuel and engine saving, raft of reliability problems throughout the grid, just goes to show that we are at the beginning of a very long learning curve for everybody.

Positives to take home:
i. Overall good reliability from Ferrari, better than Mercedes and Red Bull
ii. No Vettel screaming at the end of the race, no finger, no dancing Suzie, it's all gone for now
iii. Three nice guys on the podium, Ricciardo especially gave the crowd something to cheer about

I'm still optimistic that Ferrari can build its performance levels, let's wait for the first few races before passing judgement.

[Nero Horse]

Sorry Nero Horse just caught up with the forum, so we are 18 kilo's over weight may be rumor, if this is true we were running round with to much fuel making us slower. Am i understanding this correctly/??/?????:Hmm

It's just a silly rumor and I was being sarcastic. There is just no way it could possibly be true.

[LivingHitokiri]

Went to the race today, the car by our standards is an absolute disgrace. We were very, very, very lucky to even finish 5th in the end, with Hamilton retiring, Vettel having issues over the weekend, and Bottas making that mistake.

I mean how can Torro Rosso's be attacking us in the race? We build our own engine, the Renault engine has had so many problems over the weekend.

I know this sounds harsh on Ferrari, but Alonso should really leave to McLaren, Red Bull or Mercedes ASAP. He deserves so much better than what Ferrari can produce. It's not like Ferrari produce a good car every 2/3 seasons, it's been 5 years now and this is probably the worst it's looked.

I am hoping there is a technical issue we need to resolve, because if that's 100% our performance, we may as well start focusing on 2015 already. Even then, the car will still be an embarrassment. Of course Stefano will tell us to stay calm and focus on ourselves, we'd be better off teaching a parrot to say that phrase, we'd at least save some money on his salary.

RANT OVER.
The team have supported Fernando plenty of times in these years , do not forget if it was for Ferrari Fernando would be driving for Renault for a couple of years.
Yes we aren't doing good but just giving up hope so fast and saying that he should ditch Ferrari is unfair,especially when Fernando doesn't want to leave.
May i remind you how many years it took the great Michael Shumacher to bring Ferrari back in glory ?
Lets wait couple of races before we throw the towel shall we ?

[Hornet]

The only way Ferrari would be 18kg overweight is if Ted sat in the drivers seat.
There were some rumors that Ferrari gave in to the turbo shielding complains. Maybe not 18kg, I don't know how much they weight, but it's going to add some weight if we install a shielding

[fronaldo]

Ricciardo under investigation for exceeding fuel flow limits

[hogo]

It's aero once again... Even if we will sort out problems with ECU, we will still be behind by at least half a second. To be ahead for once we have to be the best in all departments. I can't see that happening unless Stefano will do something drastic for 2015.


As much as I understand the fustration, i'm not sure why there was any unrealistic expectations
cos our team was repeating same thing over and over again: "wait for the first race, cos we don't know what each team is doing during pre-season testing". This is why many tifosi thought that we were sandbagging...

[Nero Horse]

The team have supported Fernando plenty of times in these years , do not forget if it was for Ferrari Fernando would be driving for Renault for a couple of years.
Yes we aren't doing good but just giving up hope so fast and saying that he should ditch Ferrari is unfair,especially when Fernando doesn't want to leave.
May i remind you how many years it took the great Michael Shumacher to bring Ferrari back in glory ?
Lets wait couple of races before we throw the towel shall we ?

+10000

Well said. :thumb

[Ste]

Ricciardo is about to be disqualified. Can't see an excuse for this. Poor Dan.

FIA says @danielricciardo's car "has exceeded consistently the maximum allowed fuel flow of 100kg/h"

[tifosi1993]

The team have supported Fernando plenty of times in these years , do not forget if it was for Ferrari Fernando would be driving for Renault for a couple of years.
Yes we aren't doing good but just giving up hope so fast and saying that he should ditch Ferrari is unfair,especially when Fernando doesn't want to leave.
May i remind you how many years it took the great Michael Shumacher to bring Ferrari back in glory ?
Lets wait couple of races before we throw the towel shall we ?

Great post. :thumb

[mirafiori]

It's just a silly rumor and I was being sarcastic. There is just no way it could possibly be true.

OK, but we have done very little running so maybe it is possible to mess up with the calculation for fuel consumption, and if you consider ERS problems, any way we will find out more over the next few day's. Cheers...:thumb

[fronaldo]

Poor Dan..best weekend for him..

[giodap]

Ricciardo is about to be disqualified. Can't see an excuse for this. Poor Dan.

FIA says @danielricciardo's car "has exceeded consistently the maximum allowed fuel flow of 100kg/h"

does that move us to 4th and 7th?

[Smintlemon]

Riccardo Referees to Stewards over fiel Low!!!!

[Ste]

does that move us to 4th and 7th?

It would, if it happens.

[voiko]

Did anyone else notice Daniel Riccardo still had knee pads on when he was on the podium? Is this red bull playing with a new 'F' duct again or stalling air somewhere using their knees?

[Smintlemon]

Referred

[Ste]

Did anyone else notice Daniel Riccardo still had knee pads on when he was on the podium? Is this red bull playing with a new 'F' duct again or stalling air somewhere using their knees?

A lot of drivers wear knee pads.

[wappad]

Hi Ferrari- family :-) !

After all these year I wanna put something overhere. Forgive me if it's not the right time or place.

Since the first WCC with Schumi in '99 we took 14 titles over the past 15 years. Won over 100 races during that same period, more than any other team.

And today we took our 68th. consecutive finish of at least one Ferrari in the points.

We have (had) so much to celebrate :-)

I know, I am longing for a period of Ferrari- domination too, maybe our support will help them a little :-).

Can you imagine I celebrated 5th. and 6 places of Gilles during the 1980 campaign like he won these races!

Forza Ferrari!!

[gazoz]

Hi Ferrari- family :-) !

After all these year I wanna put something overhere. Forgive me if it's not the right time or place.

Since the first WCC with Schumi in '99 we took 14 titles over the past 15 years. Won over 100 races during that same period, more than any other team.

And today we took our 68th. consecutive finish of at least one Ferrari in the points.

We have (had) so much to celebrate :-)

I know, I am longing for a period of Ferrari- domination too, maybe our support will help them a little :-).

Can you imagine I celebrated 5th. and 6 places of Gilles during the 1980 campaign like he won these races!

Forza Ferrari!!

100% :thumb

[Nero Horse]

Ricciardo is about to be disqualified. Can't see an excuse for this. Poor Dan.

FIA says @danielricciardo's car "has exceeded consistently the maximum allowed fuel flow of 100kg/h"

awww man, that sucks, I like Ricciardo. I mean I hate Red Bull and yea it would be great if they didn't get any points, but I would certainly feel bad for Daniel, he's a nice guy and totally deserved his podium. Poor Dan indeed.

[hogo]

I know this sounds harsh on Ferrari, but Alonso should really leave to McLaren, Red Bull or Mercedes ASAP. He deserves so much better than what Ferrari can produce. It's not like Ferrari produce a good car every 2/3 seasons, it's been 5 years now and this is probably the worst it's looked.

What??? Look I know our F1 car is garbage but we are good at producing road cars! Alonso gets to drive them daily and test them while they are being made! It's a dream job, why the hell would he ditch all that? For some WC titles? Pfff, he already has 2! His name is in history books, now he can drive for the team he loves, so what if it's not the fastest team in F1 atm? It's still THE BEST team!

[ManFromMilan]

Ricciardo is about to be disqualified. Can't see an excuse for this. Poor Dan.

FIA says @danielricciardo's car "has exceeded consistently the maximum allowed fuel flow of 100kg/h"




Was this the whole race or just in the end when Magnussen closed in?

[Muhammad Ansib]

Hello everyone. I am sorry I missed the race due to work can anyone please summarise the race in like The START, The Overtaking and The Pace of our car what happened and any Overtaking by our drivers? much appreciated.

[Tobes]

What concerns me is that even if we did not have any of the issues mentioned, I think the best we could do today is P2. Alonso himself said the gap to Rosberg was too much.

In other words our deficit to Merc may be purely from the performance of our design, and that will be difficult to make up for.

Agreed, the absolute best we could've hoped for today (with Lewis's retirement) was P2, but the Mercedes is undoubtedly the fastest car right now, we knew that two weeks ago, our car isn't a bad car, it's reliable and is a solid base, clearly we have some teething issues, but that is true of every team right now, Sepang has very different circuit characteristics and is not as fuel thirsty, think we will see a different picture there...

[mark p]

Hi Ferrari- family :-) !

After all these year I wanna put something overhere. Forgive me if it's not the right time or place.

Since the first WCC with Schumi in '99 we took 14 titles over the past 15 years. Won over 100 races during that same period, more than any other team.

And today we took our 68th. consecutive finish of at least one Ferrari in the points.

We have (had) so much to celebrate :-)

I know, I am longing for a period of Ferrari- domination too, maybe our support will help them a little :-).

Can you imagine I celebrated 5th. and 6 places of Gilles during the 1980 campaign like he won these races!

Forza Ferrari!!

Thank you thats brilliant and great reminder to everyone Ferrari at the end of the year are more often there or there abouts.

On today even without issues Merc would have won but I firmly beleive this is on engine mapping for most of the time loss. Ferrari engine is not as far developed as Mercs but by finishing these races Ferrari development on engine mapping will catch up fast as its a steep development curve at the start before flattening out. Merc are nearer the flat part of this curve.

[Nero Horse]

Hi Ferrari- family :-) !

After all these year I wanna put something overhere. Forgive me if it's not the right time or place.

Since the first WCC with Schumi in '99 we took 14 titles over the past 15 years. Won over 100 races during that same period, more than any other team.

And today we took our 68th. consecutive finish of at least one Ferrari in the points.

We have (had) so much to celebrate :-)

I know, I am longing for a period of Ferrari- domination too, maybe our support will help them a little :-).

Can you imagine I celebrated 5th. and 6 places of Gilles during the 1980 campaign like he won these races!

Forza Ferrari!!


What a great comment my friend! Now this is a true tifoso attitude! :clap

[anakin]

Did anyone else notice Daniel Riccardo still had knee pads on when he was on the podium? Is this red bull playing with a new 'F' duct again or stalling air somewhere using their knees?

tall driver. his knees are hitting something especially during a bumpy ride of riding the kerbs. surely it is painful

[blackDaemon]

I think its about certain that DAN is going to be penalized.

the FIA say: "During the race car number 03 has exceeded consistently the maximum allowed fuel flow of 100 kg/h."

[anakin]

the car needs a lot of improvement on all areas. maybe except for reliability
power unit
top speed
downforce
traction

it will be difficult to do that in 2 weeks time before malaysia GP

[voiko]

I feel bad for dan if he gets DQ but that's the game. If that's the case red bull may be a bIt further behind than we thought which is good. The merc seems to have some reliability issues, the Williams and McAllen seems to be thirsty.. Given this I wouldn't say we are as bad as what everyone is making out considering supposed electronic issues that's supposed to be quite a huge disadvantage but we'll wait and see what SD has to say

[Muhammad Ansib]

Gutted. anyone please what were the after race-reactions of our drivers?

[Alesi1]

No change without change.

Those who ask for critical threads to be closed will not change results.

Luca has failed us. His puppet is weak. There will be no change until this changes.

1986 and 2014, twins separated by 28 years.

We are mediocre, and the blame is within.

Some don't like it stated, but there is no better truth.

Agree strongly. If LDM can't make tough decisions then he should go so that someone who can is put in charge. It's now him or SD one has to go now! Had enough of this. Now I get the patience to fans letter jeez. How long do we wait til 2028 , how long is enough really?

[Schumiklub]

Regarding someone mentioning KR had DRS problems. I think, but I'm not really sure, I saw the rear wing open before the last corner and then getting closed when entering the DRS zone at the beginning of the pit straight. Again, I'm not entirely sure because of the video quality online, but maybe someone can verify this. This was in the latter stages of the racr.

[Module]

I think its about certain that DAN is going to be penalized.

the FIA say: "During the race car number 03 has exceeded consistently the maximum allowed fuel flow of 100 kg/h."

It could be a malfunction in the sensor so not certain. Vettel had a sensorissue in FP where the sensor consistantly showed a flow exceeding the limit.

Consistantly exceeding 100kg/hr doesn't realy work in a race closer to two hours and 100 kg of fuel...

[SinanOzerS]

Unlucky Dan.

[anuragiyer8989]

Well the positives are that we have a reliable engine and 2 of the best drivers in the sport! Rest will follow. Everyone has issues. Better that they are encountered in the beginning of the season rather than at the end. But surely, this has to be our year! Sforza Ferrari!

[LivingHitokiri]

Was this the whole race or just in the end when Magnussen closed in?

The FIA reports consistently which means he gained advantage during whole Race.
Dan's only hope to not get disqualified is if the sensor where faulty....

[Katu]

have no emotions towrads Richiardo, if he gets disqualified, more points to us

[LivingHitokiri]

Yeap, Richiardo just got disqualified....

[LivingHitokiri]

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12474/9216779/we-cannot-be-happy-says-kimi-raikkonen-despite-ferraris-double-points-finish
Kimi's and Fernando's view on the race.

[mirafiori]

have no emotions towrads Richiardo, if he gets disqualified, more points to us

Yeah no feeling sorry,

[Nero Horse]

So our boys are 4th and 7th now? :Hmm

[gazoz]

Agree thats F1


Yeah no feeling sorry,

[mirafiori]

So our boys are 4th and 7th now? :Hmm

Yes nice 12 points for Alonso.

[ManFromMilan]

The FIA reports consistently which means he gained advantage during whole Race.
Dan's only hope to not get disqualified is if the sensor where faulty....



I'm just wondering if this is not one of the RBR strategies to insure that their car does stay ahead in a fight. But if it is a faulty sensor so be it.


have no emotions towrads Richiardo, if he gets disqualified, more points to us




That's right Kato, that is how i also feel.:thumb

As long as the FIA whip stays fair and constant this season

[LivingHitokiri]

So our boys are 4th and 7th now? :Hmm

Well there are sources that say the got DQ while other say that they still talking.
Now someone said that FIA had problems with monitors during whole weekend......

[anakin]

if that so. we are lucky.
but the mclarens have more luck.
both cars are on podium

[Nero Horse]

Yes nice 12 points for Alonso.

12 points for Alonso + 6 points for Kimi = 18 points for Ferrari... well I'm definitely happy about that. :thumb

[Module]

5788https://twitter.com/CoddersF1/status/445136238261968896/photo/1

There was adjustments made to sensors

[IulianFerrari]

Ifs and buts. If Ferrari had no electrical issues they would have beaten all but Mercs so 3 and 4 had Hamilton finished. This is not what happened and is fantasy same as saying if this or that finished Ferrari would be further back.
You are kidding right ? Electrical issues ? :)) 3-4 place ? :))) come on man, merc,will, rbr and mclaren are ahead of us. It's that simple. Like you said if's and but's, you are living in denial, and looking around the forum you are the only one left :D

[hakanabi]

Is this confirmed yet?

[Hornet]

Harsh for Ric, but if it's true then it means RB gain unfair performance and rightfully should be disqualified

[SinanOzerS]

Is this confirmed yet?

Nope.

[Hornet]

Nope.

Well the stewards have made their decision, but Red Bull is appealing it.


@SkyF1Insider 8m
.....but to confirm Red Bull are currently in the Stewards appealing the decision. Ricciardo may have exceeded fuel flow limit.

I hope RB fails

[anakin]

thats why ric was flying all weekend compared to vettel?

[LivingHitokiri]

IF the sensors would be really faulty, why only RB is showing to breach the rule ? Wouldnt there be another car that would get false indications ?

[Nero Horse]

You are kidding right ? Electrical issues ? :)) 3-4 place ? :))) come on man, merc,will, rbr and mclaren are ahead of us. It's that simple. Like you said if's and but's, you are living in denial, and looking around the forum you are the only one left :D

Without the ERS problems we would've certainly finished higher that's for sure and it could very easily have been us in the place of Mclarens today, if only there wouldn't have been that ERS issue.

[Katu]

RB and theird dirty tricks again

[stefa]

The team have supported Fernando plenty of times in these years , do not forget if it was for Ferrari Fernando would be driving for Renault for a couple of years.
Yes we aren't doing good but just giving up hope so fast and saying that he should ditch Ferrari is unfair,especially when Fernando doesn't want to leave.
May i remind you how many years it took the great Michael Shumacher to bring Ferrari back in glory ?
Lets wait couple of races before we throw the towel shall we ?

MS joined Ferrari in 1996, and won his 3rd WDC with Ferrari in 2000. It means in his 5th year with Ferrari. This year is FA 5th year with the team....

[Hermann]

RB and theird dirty tricks again

A leopard can't change its spots.

[Module]

IF the sensors would be really faulty, why only RB is showing to breach the rule ? Wouldnt there be another car that would get false indications ?

Stuart Codling @CoddersF11m


The fuel flow meter on Ricciardo’s car was changed in parc fermé, according to FIA tech delegate’s Saturday report

[Hornet]

MS joined Ferrari in 1996, and won his 3rd WDC with Ferrari in 2000. It means in his 5th year with Ferrari. This year is FA 5th year with the team....
Lets hope we do it this year, sounds like a perfect time for us to repeat that feat :-D

[LivingHitokiri]

Stuart Codling @CoddersF11m


The fuel flow meter on Ricciardo’s car was changed in parc fermé, according to FIA tech delegate’s Saturday report
So they changed the faulty with a new one and that new one could be faulty as well ?
Something is really fishy in here.

[RedRebel40]

the fuelflow meter is provided by the FIA and its very strange that it deliveres more then the allowed amount of fuel. It's possible a faulty one provided by the FIA and Riccardo will not be disqualified.

[stefa]

Lets hope we do it this year, sounds like a perfect time for us to repeat that feat :-D

It would be great. Even that, I remember 2000 wasn't so straight forward to MS.

[IulianFerrari]

Without the ERS problems we would've certainly finished higher that's for sure and it could very easily have been us in the place of Mclarens today, if only there wouldn't have been that ERS issue.
I highly doubt it. We were nowhere near Magnussen today and we did not trouble Jenson at all. Either way Williams is better than both teams and we never saw Ricciardo today...

[mark p]

You are kidding right ? Electrical issues ? :)) 3-4 place ? :))) come on man, merc,will, rbr and mclaren are ahead of us. It's that simple. Like you said if's and but's, you are living in denial, and looking around the forum you are the only one left :D

We will see. Looks like only 1 Merc and both Mclarens finished ahead despite this issue and Mclaren only just. Angry about a positive comment towards Ferrari?

Ferrari finished 4th, this is a fact all else is speculation so if I speculate I will try to look for all positives. We are clearly different in our outlooks you see a half empty glass I have a half full glass and I bet I am enjoying today more than you.

All entitled to opinions from both sides.

[ManFromMilan]

I highly doubt it. We were nowhere near Magnussen today and we did not trouble Jenson at all. Either way Williams is better than both teams and we never saw Ricciardo today...




ERS is a hell of a lot of horsepower not at your disposal. Depending on how big our loss was in the end, we did not do that badly for a first race of the season.

[Bertie]

I can't hide the fact I am disappointed with mercs supremacy and our lack of race pace. I hope we were down on power big time due to ERS issues. I hope that we are 18kg overweight. But most of all I hope that these things are partially fixed for next race and are totally fixed within 3 races.

I am happy with our fuel consumption. I say this based on us doing our fastest times for both cars on the last few laps. This indicates we were not saving fuel at this stage (the most likely time to turn the power down), this along with the ERS issues we had for the whole race (less recovery = less efficiency = more fuel usage).

I am also happy with our aero. I say this based on our fastest laps compared to bottas' fastest lap (1:32.616 for Alonso and 1:32.568 for bottas both on lap 56 rosberg lapped at 1:32.478 however this was on lap 19) in the highly regarded williams with the merc engine. Given our power deficit and poor straight-line speed our chassis must be pretty good to make up for it.

Without the hulk holding up Alonso I think he could of had a chance at beating 1 of the Mclarens.

Anyone know if Lewis or sebs engine failures mean they have lost 1 of their 5 components or if they can be fixed and re-used?

[Hornet]

I highly doubt it. We were nowhere near Magnussen today and we did not trouble Jenson at all. Either way Williams is better than both teams and we never saw Ricciardo today...

I think you may be underestimating how important ERS is now. They are not KERS anymore, they are used to boost performance throughout the lap, as well as manage the turbo to prevent turbo lag for example. If the ERS is not working at all, it's as good as DNF this year. If our ERS was limited in usage today due to batteries problem, it's possible we were handicapped by it.

[Hermann]

We will see. Looks like only 1 Merc and both Mclarens finished ahead despite this issue and Mclaren only just. Angry about a positive comment towards Ferrari?

Ferrari finished 4th, this is a fact all else is speculation so if I speculate I will try to look for all positives. We are clearly different in our outlooks you see a half empty glass I have a half full glass and I bet I am enjoying today more than you.

All entitled to opinions from both sides.

Fernando finished 5th. As most of the time, he flattered the car. And if he gets P4 because of a DQ of another driver (which is not a fact yet) it doesn't change anything concerning the car.

[mirafiori]

12 points for Alonso + 6 points for Kimi = 18 points for Ferrari... well I'm definitely happy about that. :thumb

Yeah its OK for now, Sunday lunch will taste a bit better now.:thumb

[Kyss4k]

I can't hide the fact I am disappointed with mercs supremacy and our lack of race pace. I hope we were down on power big time due to ERS issues. I hope that we are 18kg overweight. But most of all I hope that these things are partially fixed for next race and are totally fixed within 3 races.

I am happy with our fuel consumption. I say this based on us doing our fastest times for both cars on the last few laps. This indicates we were not saving fuel at this stage (the most likely time to turn the power down), this along with the ERS issues we had for the whole race (less recovery = less efficiency = more fuel usage).

I am also happy with our aero. I say this based on our fastest laps compared to bottas' fastest lap (1:32.616 for Alonso and 1:32.568 for bottas both on lap 56 rosberg lapped at 1:32.478 however this was on lap 19) in the highly regarded williams with the merc engine. Given our power deficit and poor straight-line speed our chassis must be pretty good to make up for it.

Without the hulk holding up Alonso I think he could of had a chance at beating 1 of the Mclarens.

Anyone know if Lewis or sebs engine failures mean they have lost 1 of their 5 components or if they can be fixed and re-used?

Lewis had a misfiring cylinder issue and based on what Ted said, it was something silly and probably just electronics. Vettel had a software issues during quali, so my bet is that the same problem reapeared (something to do with ERS I heard).

[Katu]

someone asked about Marussia's start problems - here they are

57 laps earlier, the result had not looked quite so promising, as both drivers suffered car-stopping problems before the start lights were even illuminated. Max experienced an engine kill at the start of the formation lap whilst conducting normal start procedures. The car was stuck in gear and he had to be pushed back to the garage, where the Team were able to reset the car, resolve the issue and get Max in a position where he could start the race from the pit lane, which was an impressive turnaround. He ended the race in 14th position.

Meanwhile, Jules had completed the formation lap but on returning to the grid he experienced a separate engine kill. He too was pushed back to the pits but it was six laps into the race before he finally left the garage, ground he was never going to be able to make up. Although Jules finished the race, he was unclassified.

[sachin]

Yeah we have issues ..maybe alot of them..ERS issues..low straightline speed..overweight ...down on power etc etc..
But the eternal question remains:
Will we win a WDC with arguably the most talented and skilled driver of this era?
Will we win the WDC with Alonso ever?
Or it will always remain a dream?:roll

[Module]

Massa a bit harsh...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112951


"I was really careful going to the line very safely, but every time Kamui is trying to do a start like that he will do the same.

"You cannot brake at 50 metres on a start like that. I don't see a difference between what happened to his start and what happened to Grosjean when he did a crazy start at Spa."

When asked what he felt an appropriate penalty would be, Massa said: "I hope they give a hard penalty because you cannot do that."


And the stewarts:




.@fia Stewards' report on @kamui_kobayashi's incident in turn one is in and no further action will be taken against Kamui... (cont...)
.."the Stewards determine that the incident was caused by a serious technical failure completely outside the control of the driver..."
..."The team is directed to work with the FIA Technical Delegate in determining the cause of the systems failure." @kamui_kobayashi

[anakin]

It is painful to see mercedes miles away from our car.
yes its not redbulls but it is also disappointing to see another car dominating

[Greig]

Massa a bit harsh...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112951



And the stewarts:

Massa's comments came during the race before the accident was explained, so maybe you are being the harsh one?

[Module]

Massa's comments came during the race before the accident was explained, so maybe you are being the harsh one?

Maybe, but it's not his first dubious comment lately

[Module]

German newspapers report that several cars had wrong readings in FP3 and were asked to make changes. The tweet I posted earlier about changing frequency was a "quick fix" so there might be grounds for Dan to keep his 2nd

[Greig]

Maybe, but it's not his first dubious comment lately

Oh no.

[Gerhard Berger]

It is painful to see mercedes miles away from our car.
yes its not redbulls but it is also disappointing to see another car dominating

especially considering the Mercedes was designed by Costa.

[Hermann]

especially considering the Mercedes was designed by Costa.

I thought we already got told Costa is not really the one who designs the car?

[SilverSpeed]

Yup this season is lost another dog of a car.

Sack em all!

Let's focus on 2015 now!!1!!1!11!1!



:-D

[sachin]

When can we get the good news of a disqualification of daniel?:-D

[PlatzdaTurbo]

Dan's DSQ in force yet ? Some sites say already disqualified while others say , will be / may be/ in process of.

[Gerhard Berger]

I thought we already got told Costa is not really the one who designs the car?

Toto Wolff: "We have a brilliant design team lead by Aldo Costa."

[anakin]

I think the power unit plays a major factor to the pace of the merc.

[Alesi1]

Toto Wolff: "We have a brilliant design team lead by Aldo Costa."

Another super sloop. Should hae been tombazis instead, incompetent clown

[Hermann]

I think the power unit plays a major factor to the pace of the merc.

I find it quite ironic when you remember the famous words- 'aerodynamics is for people who can't build engines'......

[redkid]

With what we had accomplished today, I am happy but not satisfied. Happy for the fact that we earned some respectable points and did finish the race considering some ERS issues and other teething problems. Not satisfied for the fact that WE are Ferrari, We are Winners but somehow we are not there yet at this point in terms of outright pace and grip.I have no doubt though that the Hardworking People in Maranello will do everything humanly possible to give our drivers a much improved car in the next race. We should look ahead positively. Forza Ferrari!

[Red is Best]

Looks like yet another disappointing year for Ferrari. By the looks of it, even the Renault powered cars appear now faster than ours. Not that I was expecting much after our underwhelming performance in pre-season.
Let's see what we can do, but I dont' have much hope, as this looks like a remake of the 2009 season, only this time the changes in the regulations were supposed to be favor us.

[anakin]

I find it quite ironic when you remember the famous words- 'aerodynamics is for people who can't build engines'......

that is why i am so upset.
It supposed to be ferrari was dominating.

[Alesi1]

Today's f1 means it s impossible to catch up with th testing restrictions. At least in the past Schumi could test and improve the car, not possible today it's all done off track.

[Nick Singer]

Ted is a plonker. During the race he thought as the engines are direct injection they do not have spark plugs. How did he think they ignite fuel? He is inept. Weight rumour? Ah yes there was no fuel consumption issues like the media though so they need another rumour to pedal.

How does this man who does not know how engines work start giving figures on time lost due to electrical issues? Only Ferrari will know this. He is not fit to speculate as with his engine comments i bet he can't check fluid levels on his road car.

Indeed! I sat there asking myself, "Blimey! How do these engines work then?" He's a twerp.

[F2002]

After Horner, Toto Wolff is slowly becoming our new nemesis :-)

[AfterLife]

Guys i read in AMUS that electrical problems existed till lap 10 for Alonso's car and after that the electrical problems were solved. So unfortunately the gap is bigger than what i did imagine.:doh
Source: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/35719/f1-gp-australia-domenicali-sappiamo-dove-dobbiamo-intervenire&usg=ALkJrhj8bn1bduWV00foG2oS8oOxxO8Rzg

[redkid]

Indeed! I sat there asking myself, "Blimey! How do these engines work then?" He's a twerp.

Maybe Ted is thinking that gasoline is ignited by the V6 engine through compression, just like Diesel engines.:lol:lol:lol

[bonzo]

Hi Ferrari- family :-) !

After all these year I wanna put something overhere. Forgive me if it's not the right time or place.

Since the first WCC with Schumi in '99 we took 14 titles over the past 15 years. Won over 100 races during that same period, more than any other team.

And today we took our 68th. consecutive finish of at least one Ferrari in the points.

We have (had) so much to celebrate :-)

I know, I am longing for a period of Ferrari- domination too, maybe our support will help them a little :-).

Can you imagine I celebrated 5th. and 6 places of Gilles during the 1980 campaign like he won these races!

Forza Ferrari!!


the car needs a lot of improvement on all areas. maybe except for reliability
power unit
top speed
downforce
traction

it will be difficult to do that in 2 weeks time before malaysia GP
So, a question comes immediately to mind - What has Ferrari designed and built after 2years spending multi million budget?

[Nick Singer]

Diesels sound almost as good, mind you!

[stefa]

So, a question comes immediately to mind - What has Ferrari designed and built after 2years spending multi million budget?

F-14T :-)

[Hornet]

After Horner, Toto Wolff is slowly becoming our new nemesis :-)

We'll see how he fairs.

Ted mentioned a very good point, that they owe their current success in part to Ross Brawn. Ross Brawn was in charge for their preparation for 2014, and looks like he did a great job. Lets see how Merc will be without Brawn (worse I hope :-P )

[mark p]

Fernando finished 5th. As most of the time, he flattered the car. And if he gets P4 because of a DQ of another driver (which is not a fact yet) it doesn't change anything concerning the car.
If RedBull ran to the rules like others Ferrari would have beat them so 4th is a fair reflection. Mclarens who as far as we know had no issues were within sight at the end so without ers issue 2nd was possible but it did not happen. At the end Bottas was not catching Alonso so I see no issue with Williams and they were rubbish in qualifying.


All in as things stand Ferrari can be best of the rest which is the big issue but this was expected after testing.

This ers issue seems in line with testing rumours Ferrari could not run with full ers all the time and this is a concern as not simple as not fixed in 2 weeks since testing.

[bonzo]

Hi Ferrari- family :-) !

After all these year I wanna put something overhere. Forgive me if it's not the right time or place.

Since the first WCC with Schumi in '99 we took 14 titles over the past 15 years. Won over 100 races during that same period, more than any other team.

And today we took our 68th. consecutive finish of at least one Ferrari in the points.

We have (had) so much to celebrate :-)

I know, I am longing for a period of Ferrari- domination too, maybe our support will help them a little :-).

Can you imagine I celebrated 5th. and 6 places of Gilles during the 1980 campaign like he won these races!

Forza Ferrari!!


If RedBull ran to the rules like others Ferrari would have beat them so 4th is a fair reflection. Mclarens who as far as we know had no issues were within sight at the end so without ers issue 2nd was possible but it did not happen. At the end Bottas was not catching Alonso so I see no issue with Williams and they were rubbish in qualifying.


All in as things stand Ferrari can be best of the rest which is the big issue but this was expected after testing.

This ers issue seems in line with testing rumours Ferrari could not run with full ers all the time and this is a concern as not simple as not fixed in 2 weeks since testing.

Let's not fool ourselves with the "ers issue". It has not been confirmed that ers has been failing DURING THE WHOLE RACE , especially on Nando's car. The team says "some electrical issues at the beginning of the race", Alonso says after lap 10 all was OK. We simply lack speed to overtake WITH DRS ON.

[zike]

As much as it pains me to say, we have a bunch of idiots at top positions in the team starting with Stefano

[mark p]

Let's not fool ourselves with the "ers issue". It has not been confirmed that ers has been failing DURING THE WHOLE RACE , especially on Nando's car. The team says "some electrical issues at the beginning of the race", Alonso says after lap 10 all was OK. We simply lack speed to overtake WITH DRS ON.

True. It was 1st stint only. Button could not overtake Alonso with drs either though? Things are not as bad as some say but not great either. Bottom line, its close between Ferrari, Mclaren and Williams as best of the rest and the order could change any given Sunday but Merc have a gap that we fans rightfully expect to close down fast. RB pace remains to be confirmed as their quickest car appears to have not played by the rules.

[Alesi1]

As much as it pains me to say, we have a bunch of idiots at top positions in the team starting with Stefano

[RedPassion]

Ricciardo is under investigation,Jo Bauer confirmed that his RB10 was constantly violating the 100KG/H flow rate rule.:-!
Gazzetta.it says Ricciardo has been already disqualified.

[The Architect]

This situation feels eerily remiscent of 2009 where Brawn turned up with the best package and Red Bull were the only team close enough to challenge them. Ferrari started slowly and never got anywhere. I hope for our sake that this won't be the case this year, but given the engine freeze, outcomes from pre-season testing and otherwise, I'm not optimistic. At no point during the race did we appear fast nor competitive. If we do well, maybe we can battle for a podium place or better if someone retires. Not a good start.

[mark p]

Today's f1 means it s impossible to catch up with th testing restrictions. At least in the past Schumi could test and improve the car, not possible today it's all done off track.

Not this year as very low down on the development curve within the rules so potential for huge gains as the season progresses. From all the data on engine it may enable different engine maps which gain a second for example.

[Suzie]

I know there's a lot of frustration with the race and certain team members, but please could people express their disappointment without resorting to name-calling or referring to people in unkind terms. Thank you :-)

[RedPassion]

Allison-Marmorini-Fry-Tombazis,i do not comment any further.

[Nero Horse]

This pathetic defeatist attitude that some of you people have is really sad to see. Already after one race throwing your toys out of the pram, pressing the panic button and whining about this, whining about that, whining, whining, whining and then whining some more..... :roll

Fortunately this kind of defeatist attitude is not part of Ferrari's DNA.


Forza Ferrari!!! :ferrarifl

[Hermann]

This pathetic defeatist attitude that some of you people have is really sad to see. Already after one race throwing your toys out of the pram, pressing the panic button and whining about this, whining about that, whining, whining, whining and then whining some more..... :roll

Fortunately this kind of defeatist attitude is not part of Ferrari's DNA.


Forza Ferrari!!! :ferrarifl

Unfortunately building a winning car is not (anymore) a part of Ferrari DNA as well, otherwise nobody would complain....

[zike]

This pathetic defeatist attitude that some of you people have is really sad to see. Already after one race throwing your toys out of the pram, pressing the panic button and whining about this, whining about that, whining, whining, whining and then whining some more..... :roll

Fortunately this kind of defeatist attitude is not part of Ferrari's DNA.


Forza Ferrari!!! :ferrarifl

You play to win mate, that is the DNA of a Ferrari team......and I do not see it anymore

[RedPassion]

I am not bashing everything or tearing everything to the ground and maybe we will sort things out and win a couple of races this year,but i truly believe that Alonso should leave and find something better.In my honest opinion he is wasting his talent in a team that isnt able to build winning cars anymore and unfortunetely he is not the most young anymore,so he must hurry up if he want to win another WDC,and although i think that hiring Allison was a good thing,it will take time to change the things around.

[wisepie]

Yes we're disappointed but surely not surprised by this result, the car looked a handful and slow and I felt for Fernando & Kimi as they were apparently incapable of doing anything about it. However, we got 2 cars home in the points and despite it being painful for us to watch, we at least have something to build on. I just hope for once that the team can develop the car faster and more thoroughly than recent years have shown. Shame for Felipe (am I allowed to mention him here?), great drives from Ricciardo, Bottas, Magnussen and Kvyat, are they our the new real enemies? Frustrating race certainly and apart from the pit-stop race, we have a lot of work to do, the car is still ugly too, but I'm not going to let that diminish my support, win or lose.:-s

[Ste]

Ricciardo disqualified. Poor Dan.

Red Bull are appealing.

[Hermann]

Ricciardo disqualified. Poor Dan.

Yeah too bad he is now driving for a team that has been well known for 'exploring loopholes'....

[Module]

Ricciardo disqualified. Poor Dan.
:clap:-(:furious:thumb :Hmm
Realy don't know how to feel about this...

[tamburello]

A defeatist attitude?

Being angry because, ONCE AGAIN, we are behind with the performance of our car, is not defeatist.

Accepting second and third-rate team management and daydreaming that it will come good is defeatist, as it will never achieve anything.

Since Todt left we have been a average

If you are happy with that, you are not genuine Tifosi.

Winning and the outright desire to win should be in the DNA. It is not at present.

Go Luca. Go Stefano. We need winners, and you are failures.

[RedPassion]

Yeah too bad he is now driving for a team that has been well known for 'exploring loopholes'....
Really sorry for him not his fault that he is in a team of cheaters,on the other hand nothing new from Red Bull its their average integrity and of course they will be saying it all fault of the flow sensor,that why they changed it in Parc Ferme already just to show that is very sensible,always the same mindtricks from them,disgusting as always:roll

[hogo]

I am not bashing everything or tearing everything to the ground and maybe we will sort things out and win a couple of races this year,but i truly believe that Alonso should leave and find something better.In my honest opinion he is wasting his talent in a team that isnt able to build winning cars anymore and unfortunetely he is not the most young anymore,so he must hurry up if he want to win another WDC,and although i think that hiring Allison was a good thing,it will take time to change the things around.

Would you rather win 5 WDCs with a team like RedBull/Merc/Mclaren or 1 with a team like Ferrari? For me it's easy to decide, and I am so happy that Alonso thinks alike. This is why I like him :thumb

[Alesi1]

A defeatist attitude?

Being angry because, ONCE AGAIN, we are behind with the performance of our car, is not defeatist.

Accepting second and third-rate team management and daydreaming that it will come good is defeatist, as it will never achieve anything.

Since Todt left we have been a average

If you are happy with that, you are not genuine Tifosi.

Winning and the outright desire to win should be in the DNA. It is not at present.

Go Luca. Go Stefano. We need winners, and you are failures.

100% right. Too mediocre for too long .

[RedPassion]

Would you rather win 5 WDCs with a team like RedBull/Merc/Mclaren or 1 with a team like Ferrari? For me it's easy to decide, and I am so happy that Alonso thinks alike. This is why I like him :thumb
I am just afraid that the only 1 title with Ferrari could remain a dream:-??

[ManFromMilan]

A defeatist attitude?

Being angry because, ONCE AGAIN, we are behind with the performance of our car, is not defeatist.

Accepting second and third-rate team management and daydreaming that it will come good is defeatist, as it will never achieve anything.

Since Todt left we have been a average

If you are happy with that, you are not genuine Tifosi.

Winning and the outright desire to win should be in the DNA. It is not at present.

Go Luca. Go Stefano. We need winners, and you are failures.





Listen, i am also disappointed. And i do agree with you that Ferrari should be about winning and being in the hunt for the championships. That is Ferrari's DNA.

This is only the first race. A lot can change and will change the next couple of weeks.

We can give the team enough time to sort the last gremlins out until at least the third race of the season.

So after two cars finishing the race well, lets stow the nooses for now and give the team time to sort the cars out.

And no, i will not give up on this year so we can work towards 2015 again as an excuse. This year we need to win a championship.

[RedPassion]

Listen, i am also disappointed. And i do agree with you that Ferrari should be about winning and being in the hunt for the championships. That is Ferrari's DNA.

This is only the first race. A lot can change and will change the next couple of weeks.

We can give the team enough time to sort the last gremlins out until at least the third race of the season.

So after two cars finishing the race well, lets stow the nooses for now and give the team time to sort the cars out.

And no, i will not give up on this year so we can work towards 2015 again as an excuse. This year we need to win a championship.
If i can comment on this,im worried from the premise that our weakest point could be the only thing in the whole car that has a performance freezing the ICE.It is almost absurd,in the last years we always had a decent engine and bad aero,and now that we have good aero a bad engine??!!I cant believe it:doh

[anakin]

Listen, i am also disappointed. And i do agree with you that Ferrari should be about winning and being in the hunt for the championships. That is Ferrari's DNA.

This is only the first race. A lot can change and will change the next couple of weeks.

We can give the team enough time to sort the last gremlins out until at least the third race of the season.

So after two cars finishing the race well, lets stow the nooses for now and give the team time to sort the cars out.

And no, i will not give up on this year so we can work towards 2015 again as an excuse. This year we need to win a championship.

we should. I felt that ferrari should dominate and not mercedes so it is really disappointing. but for the next couple of weeks(malaysia). looking at our performance earlier, things could be worst by that time. I think we were just lucky some cars didn't made it to finish.

[anakin]

something to look at. pretty interesting
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f1-2014/f1-2014-01/2014_01_AUS_F1_R0_Timing_RaceSpeedTrap_V01.pdf

[ManFromMilan]

If i can comment on this,im worried from the premise that our weakest point could be the only thing in the whole car that has a performance freezing the ICE.It is almost absurd,in the last years we always had a decent engine and bad aero,and now that we have good aero a bad engine??!!I cant believe it:doh




All the media speculation about who has what is just that, speculation.

We might still have the best power unit, we just need it to work together seamlessly and especially the rear braking system. But i am sure those are easily attainable for the team when they fine tune this years car more.

I think all the teams will catch Mercedes in the next couple of races(or at least the established top teams).

Scuderia Ferrari just needs to be at the front of that pack.

[F2002]

Very soon, a degree in Engineering will become one of the prerequisites for becoming an F1 fan.

My old man has just asked me why was Ricciardo excluded, F1 is really becoming nonsensical and too elaborate for the layman. So much for bringing it closer to the people.

[Stormsearcher]

I dunno what to make of this race. Am glad both cars finished. Not too glad about how we did it. 5 and 8 is hardly something to celebrate about.
If the ERS issue or electrical fault is real.. then i guess it bodes well for future races. If its not, whats gone wrong?

Neither Nando or kimi made any impact on the cars they were racing with. Nico managed to keep alonso behind him even without DRS aid. :-s

Its a bit depressing.

But i take heart from what happened last year. Lotus started with a bang and RBR struggled for the first few races. After that they came back and destroyed everyone else. I hope we can turn things around. :pray

[redkid]

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-red-bulls-ricciardo-excluded-home-australian-131023398--f1.html

I believe this is official already...Ricciardo excluded from Australian GP.

[F2002]

Stop worrying all, everything is well under control, apparently all we need to do is to improve the car:

Stefano Domenicali: “The first race of the championship has provided a clear picture of the hierarchy at the start of season. It’s also shown which teams appear to have done the best job of dealing with these new regulations. Today, we achieved our objective in terms of reliability, but the gap we need to make up, especially to Mercedes, was clear to see. The information we have gathered this weekend clearly points to the direction we must take and what areas need the most work. It will be important to catch up as quickly as possible and react in the way this team has always proved capable of doing. Our engineers know what the priorities are and which areas need the most immediate attention.”

http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/australian-gp-domenicali-improve-car

[Katu]

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-red-bulls-ricciardo-excluded-home-australian-131023398--f1.html

I believe this is official already...Ricciardo excluded from Australian GP.

Hurray! it's official

[shamim179]

You've got to put things into context. We're an engine manufacturer. We have a huge budget more than most of the teams. We had plenty of staff working on the 2014 car so much so we had a dedicated team working on it unlike many other teams. We started work on the engine early.

Despite all of the above we are way off the pace of the front runners. It's not so much the position you finish but the gap between them. Failure is failure but when you fail like this it's gotta hurt! We were supposed to have an advantage but despite having it we're still behind. Imagine where we would be if we didn't have such an advantage? And it's really laughable that the Renault PU despite all their problems during pre-testing and that they had the smallest team and started work on it the latest out of the 3 engine manufacturers can seemingly outperform us or at least come close. The same question keeps coming to my mind which is what on earth is going on?

[Alesi1]

Stop worrying all, everything is well under control, apparently all we need to do is to improve the car:

Stefano Domenicali: “The first race of the championship has provided a clear picture of the hierarchy at the start of season. It’s also shown which teams appear to have done the best job of dealing with these new regulations. Today, we achieved our objective in terms of reliability, but the gap we need to make up, especially to Mercedes, was clear to see. The information we have gathered this weekend clearly points to the direction we must take and what areas need the most work. It will be important to catch up as quickly as possible and react in the way this team has always proved capable of doing. Our engineers know what the priorities are and which areas need the most immediate attention.”

http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/australian-gp-domenicali-improve-car

I can picture it now. Stefano looks at Pat : " what did I say last year, ( and the year before that.......) how could I forget....cut and paste.

Over this predictable dribble.

[Gerhard Berger]

The information we have gathered this weekend clearly points to the direction we must take and what areas need the most work. It will be important to catch up as quickly as possible and react in the way this team has always proved capable of doing. Our engineers know what the priorities are and which areas need the most immediate attention.”

http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/australian-gp-domenicali-improve-car

Same old stuff from Stefano. Honestly, if you didn't know better, this quote could have been from any race since 2009.

[Gerhard Berger]

But i take heart from what happened last year. Lotus started with a bang and RBR struggled for the first few races. After that they came back and destroyed everyone else. I hope we can turn things around. :pray

RBR only struggled with the tyres early last year. Their car was clearly quick from the start - they had 2 wins after 4 races, including a 1-2 at Malaysia (no team apart from RBR has scored a 1-2 since 2010).

[Winter]

ERS is a hell of a lot of horsepower not at your disposal. Depending on how big our loss was in the end, we did not do that badly for a first race of the season.

And it's not only that we would have less power from ERS. We olso would have to burn more fuel to compensate that loss of electric power and that would also explain our bad speed in straights. Somehow I really hope that we weren't our ERS at 100%

[ferrari4life]

well so much for the sandbagging theory.

[F2002]

Same old stuff from Stefano. Honestly, if you didn't know better, this quote could have been from any race since 2009.

I stand by my earlier comment and remain optimistic that, once the teething problems are resolved, we will be competitive.

But, yes, Stefano's comments are becoming way too predictable and litanic.

[Cozza]

wow feel sorry for Ricky Ricardo. He seemed so happy today about his position.

But, rules are rules. RBR was found running a too high fuel flow. Argued its faulty. FIA asks to switch to secondary sensor. and RBR say screw it. Ours is working fine.
Daniel has the team to blame.

Now onto our boys.
Kinda disappointed with our running. I'm not sure what type of electrical problem we were running or for how long and how much we were down on power. But i hope we improve by Malaysia. But atleast both drivers in the points. But those mercs looks bloody quick.

Malaysia should look interesting. Normally very hot. See which car has the best cooling systems. Think I saw on TV in practice Mercs are overheating there tyres so that could be a positive for us come KL.

[peta_w]

This morning's result was ok, nothing to get excited or panic about.

So it took one race for a driver to exceed the fuel limit. I wonder if someone's man enough to admit they were wrong on that one or will they do their worming out routine again.

[mark p]

At the end of the day we are all Ferrari fans. All agree today is below expectations. Some people deal with this with a negative outlook others positive as how it can improve but by the end of the year if Ferrari do not catch up or if they do nothing we say on here in any way contributes to this we are just spectators.

I bet those being so negative would be over the top if Ferrari start winning, suppose some go with the flow. I'll have a little moan if todays relative performance remains in 5 races time.

[bondilad]

Perhaps we should give Stefano a couple of more races. If things remain the same we should seriously consider bringing back ross brawn or someone in his calibre to bring our team back to glory. You could immediately see the difference at mclaren ever since Ron Dennis returned. We too need change.

I'm not extremely disappointed with result as such, but worried about the next few races considering the gap to the front.

[fronaldo]

At the end of the day we are all Ferrari fans. All agree today is below expectations. Some people deal with this with a negative outlook others positive as how it can improve but by the end of the year if Ferrari do not catch up or if they do nothing we say on here in any way contributes to this we are just spectators.

I bet those being so negative would be over the top if Ferrari start winning, suppose some go with the flow. I'll have a little moan if todays relative performance remains in 5 races time.

1000 :thumb

[Hornet]

Yikes. Turns out in Alonso's official statement, he only had issues with the ERS for 10 laps in the beginning. The car however looked like it didn't have any power going down the straight for the entire race, when compared to the Merc powered cars.

I'll go worry at a corner, but fingers crossed we'll somehow find some pace within this 2 weeks

[IulianFerrari]

well so much for the sandbagging theory.
Yup but we have 2 new reasons from Stefano. 1- we did not use ERS to maximum 2- 18kg car overweight. This should hold him until he thinks of 1 or 2 new reasons for us not being able to challenge for podiums. We got off lucky with what seems to be 4th and 7th now. Just wait until everybody is racing and without problems(ham,massa,bottas,vettel etc) when we will finish 9th and 10th. Wonder what would be the excuse then...

[killer]

Will never happen and I understand why but wouldn't it be great to get a candid assessment from the team?

"Early days but we estimate a 3-tenths gap to Merc and we need to work on maximizing power from the legal fuel flow rate to bridge the gap. Fer had an ERS issue at the start but all was OK after lap 10 so there really is a lack of power. Kimi is struggling with the brakes because he's driving for a 2013-spec car. He's a good driver so we expect him to adapt very soon. We'll do our best to get things sorted for Sepang and we'll let you know if things don't work out as planned. Everyone hang in there; thank you for the continued support."

:-)

[bondilad]

I think most of us expected alot from ferrari which is totally understandable. But seriously we now have the resources and most importantly we know where we need to improve. So it is only fair to give our team a few more races to iron things out and add performance based on our working wind tunnnel. So now we all need to wait for another two dreadful weeks to see what solutions we have come up with.

[killer]

Yikes. Turns out in Alonso's official statement, he only had issues with the ERS for 10 laps in the beginning. The car however looked like it didn't have any power going down the straight for the entire race, when compared to the Merc powered cars.

I'll go worry at a corner, but fingers crossed we'll somehow find some pace within this 2 weeks

A bit confused ATM. I want to say our aero is also suspect because Fernando never looked comfortable up close to Hulk but then we also obviously had no power down straights.

[Kiwi Nick]

something to look at. pretty interesting
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f1-2014/f1-2014-01/2014_01_AUS_F1_R0_Timing_RaceSpeedTrap_V01.pdf

So much for the notion that Macca's rear suspension generates massive amounts of drag. And it shows that Magnussen and Bottas are very capable of driving with less downforce or the Macca and the Williams have lots of mechanical grip.

[shamim179]

Think Stefano is not telling the whole story. But that's expected of him when the results are lacklustre like this. Maybe if he tells it how it really is he'll upset Luca and make many tifosi worried? I know from experience that certain bosses like to hear positive things and hate it when they hear negative things. When they would hear negative things they could overreact and possibly take decisions that may or may not be beneficial to you or other members of the team. This in turn affects the efficiency of the organization as you would spend quite a bit of time talking, coming up excuses, massaging the truth, thinking what to say to people and covering things up rather than doing productive work!

[shamim179]

So much for the notion that Macca's rear suspension generates massive amounts of drag. And it shows that Magnussen and Bottas are very capable of driving with less downforce or the Macca and the Williams have lots of mechanical grip.

So our car has good top speed? Why are certain posters saying our car lacks top speed? So we're going pretty fast compared to the competition on the straights but losing time in other sections of the track.

[M.K]

Yikes. Turns out in Alonso's official statement, he only had issues with the ERS for 10 laps in the beginning. The car however looked like it didn't have any power going down the straight for the entire race, when compared to the Merc powered cars.

Yeah, I already missed last year when after poor qualy it was more or less clear that we will improve in race distance. Today we just got stuck behind others with no power on straights, unlike, for example, Williams where Bottas had no problems to overtake when there was a chance.
I imagined there will be some problems with traction and cornering, but I was hoping we will regain some of that on straights, but it never happened. There are no area where car would be exceptionally good, it just seems average in every single aspect, but we will see if we can change things.

[3star]

Today was a very sad day - for years I waited for the the new regs and thought we would top car. Well looks like WDC/WCC is out of the question this year. I was happy Kimi came back but I guess I cant complain too much as he could have been stuck in Lotus

Maybe 2015 we can fight?

[Giallo 550]

The F14 T seems to be underpowered, especially compared to the Mercedes and McLaren.

At least both cars finished in the points.

At least we have Fernando. If anyone can win it all, it's him.

Congratulations to Rosberg and Magnussen. They deserved their podiums.

Kobayashi deserves a penalty for drilling Massa.

At least Vettel no longer seems to be the top dog.

[Kiwi Nick]

I firmly believe the axiom that says it is easier to make a fast car reliable than to make a reliable car fast. That Ferrari were able to finish 4th and 7th was a product of the fact that other cars dropped out or were DQed, not that they are fast.

[shamim179]

Some of Stefano's words: "We know we are behind. We need to concentrate on trying to speed up the work. There are still 18 races to go. It was a very disappointing race.

"We did not take away the maximum from our performance but realistically we have seen Mercedes too strong, no doubt.

"We have a lot of things to do. We need to solve the problems."

Has Stefano rubbed on Alonso? These are Alonso's words:

"We need to be calm, to do better next time and just to try to understand the areas to improve and the areas we seem strong."

[WS6TransAm01]

Since the race was on at 2am here I recorded it... Ended up fast forwarding almost half of it. Possibly the most boring race I have seen in years. We sucked, the cars sound like poop and so on so forth. Almost not even worth my time. I'm tired of 5 years of failure. Of coarse ill be the good masochistic and continue to watch, but I just don't know how much more pain I can take.

I was so excited to have Kimi back, and then he is tooling around in 8th.

Last year the car was a turd and a half but 'Nando was on the podium in Aus, now we are half a minute behind. We are worse than last year.

This blows.

[Jas]

Mercedes breached fuel flow rules in Melbourne?




Is this the trickery referred to just days ago by Luca di Montezemolo?

In an open letter, the Ferrari president warned the FIA to be ready for team "trickery" in the area of "fuel, software" and "consumption" as a result of "grey areas" opened up by the new regulations.

Germany's Auto Bild reports that Mercedes, already dominating the new turbo V6 era with its powerful new engine, has triggered the FIA's attention in Australia in the area of the sport's new fuel consumption limits.

As well as being limited to just 100kg of fuel per race, each car is limited in 2014 to a maximum fuel rate of 100 kilograms per hour, enforced by a fuel flow sensor.

Auto Bild claims that at least one team, believed to be Mercedes, went over the fuel flow limit in practice at Albert Park.

It is believed the FIA also warned Ferrari on the same subject during winter testing.

The Auto Bild report said that in Melbourne, the FIA has now reacted not by penalising Mercedes but by easing the tolerance by which rules breaches are measured, particularly in the wake of pre-season problems with the sensor.

Boss Toto Wolff denies that the FIA tweak has anything to do with Mercedes.

"We actually voluntarily reduced our fuel flow rate," he insisted.

"Had we not done that, we would have been five tenths faster yesterday."

[shamim179]

I firmly believe the axiom that says it is easier to make a fast car reliable than to make a reliable car fast. That Ferrari were able to finish 4th and 7th was a product of the fact that other cars dropped out or were DQed, not that they are fast.

Definitely agree. Especially these days. Gone are those days when many parts or systems would fail. The ability to design, manufacture and test has vastly improved over time. When you build something with the primary objective which is to be fast you can always make smaller adjustments to further improve reliability. The initial baseline is fast. But when the primary objective is reliability the initial baseline is bound to be slower. It is still possible to make it faster but you need a good development programme in place that actually works. So perhaps Ferrari's design philosophy is outdated? Even Fry is saying reliability isn't enough.

[wacc]

Some of Stefano's words: "We know we are behind. We need to concentrate on trying to speed up the work."

They are able to speed up the work? :-E :Hmm
That is not good. They should have already worked so hard, that it was not possible to speed it up anymore....

[Ed Harley]

I don't think that working speed is as important as knowing what to work on and how to do that.

[Winter]

Is there any comments from our drivers or team about fuel saving during the race?

I heard this Bottas interview and he said that he didn't need to save fuel during the race.
I mean he overtaked half of the field two times and still no need to save fuel. I just hope
that our lack of speed wasn't due fuel saving..

[Laferrari]

Pathétic word from Stefano :lol
Come on, they already know that we are behind mercedes so .Now i will say it again , the gap between us and mercedes is too big.1.6 sec behind them in race.Rosberg does his best time earlier in the race 15 or 16....1:32.4 with 3/4 full tank. ferrari 1:32.6 1/4 full tank so clearly 2 sec behind.
We can speculate on engine failure by mercedes or something else but we are not just behind mercedes ...also williams,Mclaren,redbull.
I believe we have a software power, torque problem,traction problem,eating tire more than the other,But in qualy we are ok 0.5 or 0.7 behind mercedes.
I hope Allison will do something and have some idea to bring us in the light because now we are in the dark and every tifosi in the world is crying when we saw our team so bad.

[Jas]

Mercedes producing 900hp?




Mercedes' new field-leading turbo V6 engine could be producing much more horse power than was earlier believed.

Before travelling to Melbourne, team chairman Niki Lauda revealed that the basic 1.6 litre Mercedes unit is producing "about 580" hp.

As it is known that the sophisticated energy-recovery or 'ERS' side adds 160hp to the equation, then Mercedes' 2014 'power unit' equates to about 740hp at present.

However, the German newspaper Bild reports that Mercedes' competition believes the 'monster' Mercedes unit is actually producing "up to 900 horse power" when operating at full tilt.

Asked about the 740 versus 900 figures, Renault-powered Red Bull's Dr Helmut Marko said: "For sure the engine has more power than they are saying."

The Austrian was speaking on Saturday, where despite Daniel Ricciardo's surprising feat of splitting the two Mercedes on the grid, world champion Sebastian Vettel failed even to make the top ten.

"We tried some new software but it did not work," said Marko.

"Mercedes is having no problems with the engine and has power in excess. They are able to do a strategic race."

[paneristi]

How could other teams figure out the direction better & faster than us, Scuderia Ferrari, the racing specialist? I wonder if we have been too calm since 2008

Stop worrying all, everything is well under control, apparently all we need to do is to improve the car:

Stefano Domenicali: “The first race of the championship has provided a clear picture of the hierarchy at the start of season. It’s also shown which teams appear to have done the best job of dealing with these new regulations. Today, we achieved our objective in terms of reliability, but the gap we need to make up, especially to Mercedes, was clear to see. The information we have gathered this weekend clearly points to the direction we must take and what areas need the most work. It will be important to catch up as quickly as possible and react in the way this team has always proved capable of doing. Our engineers know what the priorities are and which areas need the most immediate attention.”

http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/australian-gp-domenicali-improve-car

[shamim179]

Is there any comments from our drivers or team about fuel saving during the race?

I heard this Bottas interview and he said that he didn't need to save fuel during the race.
I mean he overtaked half of the field two times and still no need to save fuel. I just hope
that our lack of speed wasn't due fuel saving..

Even more alarming is Wolff talking about how Mercedes lowered their engine setting to conserve more fuel otherwise they would be half a second faster per lap! I have doubts that we can overcome such a deficit. It's just too big! In the recent past the gap was smaller but we still struggled to overcome the gap.

[Senna4Ever]

I like it when we are warned to talk nice to our team members and don't insult anyone from the team
on the other hand many of the glass-half-full good-vibe peole are free to insult journalist who see Ferrari behind Merc-RB-Williams-McLaren as idiots, Ferrari haters etc.


i think i haven't ever heard Kimi say more than Fernando. Fernando did sound very disappointed
Maybe he should watch this forum and read some postings of our all-time-motivated users who see the glory days coming right around the corner as this race was just a mistake in the system.


We can and wil improve. This weekend was seen as 1 big test. We knew the weakness of the cars had ers problem now time to study data and come together and make thatnext step. We have nice few updates coming. Just got sort the BBW system for kimi aswell.

All in all. Not great day, but ok. Double points finish despite ers failure and not being able to open the taps full.

If you were looking on the gesture of our driver during the Sky Interview it says: fear and uncertainty
But maybe you know more about our splendid development (a sign of quality since years)

After all the ERS issue wasn't present the whole race so this isn't valid as an excuse ...

We are just damn slow and the reaction of our drivers in the sky interview also show that they haven't expected to be that slow.
As if Ferrari would have some kind of wonder masterplan in second hand the guys would swallow todays frog as they would know help is coming soon ... But hey: maybe our drivers are sandbagging

@Herman: Ferrari still can build good engines and nice cars! For Snops, Yuppie Bankers and oil delivering Despots ...

maybe Luca is already running to Todt for new rule change: every car must be red ...

[wacc]

Happy to be a Scuderia Ferrari fan forever even if they fight in the midfield or in the other series.

:ferrarifl

[shamim179]

We're talking about a gap in terms of race pace. In the recent past our gap to the front was big in qualifying but our race pace was amongst the best if not the best. Race pace gap is around 2 seconds per lap. You've got to be incredibly optimistic to think that gap can be closed down to zero. We're lucky that Mercedes failed the new nose crash test or that gap would have been even bigger!

[zike]

if the rumor that Marc have 900 hp is true ,it is over right now and for the next 5 years Marc will be dominant

[Ed Harley]

When did people become this shortsighted? There are 18 races still to go and people are throwing the towel in after one race.

[Jas]

When did people become this shortsighted? There are 18 races still to go and people are throwing the towel in after one race.

when you see the dominance of red bull in past years, then you see that dominant style in mercades, I can see why tbh

[radosav]

When did people become this shortsighted? There are 18 races still to go and people are throwing the towel in after one race.
We had 47 races like this in last three years! We are not attacking Ferrari, but some people make same mistakes year after year!

[Ed Harley]

Quitting is one possibility, improving is another. I suggest the latter.

[SilverSpeed]

Just when you chiptune your car, it's get's more HP to move the same amount of mass so the engine is lesse stressed in order to move the mass thus making it more fuel efficient.

[Kiwi Nick]

If the reports about Mercedes power output are true, there appears to be such disparity in power units between Mercedes and Ferrari and Renault, that the FIA will have no choice but to allow further power unit development or be faced with a series totally dominated by the four Merc powered cars.

[AfterLife]

Happy to be a Scuderia Ferrari fan forever even if they fight in the midfield or in the other series.

:ferrarifl

:doh

[Senna4Ever]

Found this on motorsport-total.com

The largest construction site at Ferrari anyway does not mean Raikkonen, but F14 T. "Now we have to solve our problems consistently, with clear responsibilities. Since there is no discussion," Domenicali place after a disappointing opening weekend mince words. "Since no one can now put the blame on others., We as a team must stand together and address the problems. This is the appeal to my engineer."

:lou

[tamburello]

The wind tunnel works again, but the car is weak. There is surely no weakness in the cockpits now. The new regulation engines were supposed to give us an advantage.

I had hoped, but not really believed, that we had hidden our pace in testing.

No excuses are left now.

Grazie Luca. Testa Di *****.

[Winter]

When did people become this shortsighted? There are 18 races still to go and people are throwing the towel in after one race.


when you see the dominance of red bull in past years, then you see that dominant style in mercades, I can see why tbh

This could've started better..
But still it was just first race after major change of rules. I believe there'll be big leaps done by many teams in first 1/4 of the season. This is not like last couple of seasons, when the season started about, where the last season ended. The development will be rapid at the beginning..

[djmorin27]

It says speculating on Mercedes hp at 900 no fn way and it would only be for the 30 per lap anyway plus fia said there would not be a huge gap in hp or there would be modification allowed

[eddie]

the cars sounded really bad.... those noses as well.... F1 lost both looks and sound.... :-(

results are mediocre, we could have been worst off if not for others misfortune..

hope things pick up @ Sepang, I will be there to cheer the team on...

[Ferris]

The wind tunnel works again, but the car is weak. There is surely no weakness in the cockpits now. The new regulation engines were supposed to give us an advantage.

I had hoped, but not really believed, that we had hidden our pace in testing.

No excuses are left now.

Grazie Luca. Testa Di *****.

Easy with the cursing. Although i do agree with your frustration and the profanity is very understandable.

[sachin]

Guys two questions just of anxiety. .
...How much hp does our engine produce with ERS? And could that 900hp thing be true?

...Freezing of the engine mean that it is for 5 years??
Or just 2014?:roll

[Jas]

Whats more concerning for me is that roaberg did his quickest lapin lap 19 and us lap 56...showing that with all that fuel on board they were still quicker, now thsts scary

[tamburello]

All we hear is that we are working hard.

That is the bare minimum we should expect.

Our malaise is from above. Luca has lost the way. Appointing Domenicali was a disaster. When Ron Dennis says he likes the man, then he is the wrong man.

We need someone the likes of Dennis fear.

We need an agitator of men.

[wacc]

:doh

I have a feeling that many people became a Ferrari fans just because they thought Ferrari would win everytime and everything :doh
Others that insult the team most are those who are no Ferrari fans but just Fernando's or Kimi's fans.

[FerrariF60]

if the rumor that Marc have 900 hp is true ,it is over right now and for the next 5 years Marc will be dominant

how can this be allowed by the FIA?? i thought that the power from the engine alone (not including the ERS system) was mandated and written in stone by teh FIA to be around 600 or so HP; i can see a 5 or 10 HP discrepency between the 3 engine manufacturers, but NOT THIS biG a difference....something is trully wrong here;

either that, or Ferrari was and possibly Renault too TOO GOLLABLE and fell for this big time...while Mercedes is laughing all the way....

[Hornet]

Guys two questions just of anxiety. .
...How much hp does our engine produce with ERS? And could that 900hp thing be true?

...Freezing of the engine mean that it is for 5 years??
Or just 2014?:roll

The engine design is actually homologated for this year. This means that we cannot change to a new design. For example, if Ferrari wants to copy Mercedes' split turbo design, that will be impossible. If Mercedes split turbo design proves to be the superior approach, it's going to be a bad day for us.

We are allowed to modify it, but only to improve reliability and fuel efficiency purposes. Any modification request would need FIA's approval as well as the agreement of other manufacturer.

So we'd better hope that any deficit in our power unit is due to reliability or fuel efficiency problems. If we simply lack performance due to Mercedes design being more superior, then there's no way to fix that. At least not to my understanding, unless the FIA have some clause they can invoke if one engine is superior to others.



how can this be allowed by the FIA?? i thought that the power from the engine alone (not including the ERS system) was mandated and written in stone by teh FIA to be around 600 or so HP; i can see a 5 or 10 HP discrepency between the 3 engine manufacturers, but NOT THIS biG a difference....something is trully wrong here;

either that, or Ferrari was and possibly Renault too TOO GOLLABLE and fell for this big time...while Mercedes is laughing all the way....
You can't always trust the FIA to get everything right. Just look at the nose, from step nose to sausage nose.

The FIA failed to discourage blown diffuser with changes to engine mapping and the first exhaust design change.

They say they aim to avoid extreme design, but it wouldn't surprise me if they failed, again