F1 2022 Pre-Season Testing Thread

[ferras]

Problem is, it's getting long in the tooth.

I still have faith

I mean, i agree with theory that Ferrari could have prepared the best chassis for the start of the season. But i’m still worried about engine power.

[Super M]

I mean, i agree with theory that Ferrari could have prepared the best chassis for the start of the season. But i’m still worried about the engine.

See, this is what gets me.

Why would you be worried about he engine, Did Ferrari's engineer give you info that we on this site don't know of ?......Exactly, you don't have such. Until we see around the 5th GP of the year , we won't really know the true pecking order.

I'm not gunning you, but it's these sort of statements on here that get some of us wondering where people get their info from.

All i maintain is, Lets support our guys before shooting them down in flames ( Just for this once )

Peace

[Gilles]

We are all fans...we all love this team...Playing catch up seems already a failoure to me!
Last time we really turned around a situation was 2006...
Anyway lets hope things wont be that bad..

About sums it up, yep. You can also add how a Haas is faster than us now. 2022 is a shambles already; might as well focus on ‘23.

Also the reality is that ,IT IS WHAT IT IS !!! You ,me or anybody in here have no say about it that could make an actual change/good for the team. All we do is just nagging in here and this is annoying for some. It's pretty clear for me.I will have to accept it (if we again fail ) or move on and don't bother any more about races ,results ,evolution etc.

It is all about extracting car’s Max potential in the end.

We always fell behind after summer break since 2010. Except 2019 and we all know how did that end.

It is understandable that many fans have lost confidence.
However things are in place for a return of Ferrari in the right direction, it is clear since a year already.
Now it remains to have patience, it is not magic and the last steps to climb are long to reach

[Gilles]

https://www.formulapassion.it/opinio...si-608332.html

Thanks

[Super M]

It is understandable that many fans have lost confidence.
However things are in place for a return of Ferrari in the right direction, it is clear since a year already.
Now it remains to have patience, it is not magic and the last steps to climb are long to reach

True words right there

[Gilles]

I mean, i agree with theory that Ferrari could have prepared the best chassis for the start of the season. But i’m still worried about engine power.

After the first race, we will have a clear picture on engines order
Unlike the two previous years, Ferrari should be strong again. Unless a surprising (more than normaly anticipated) gain by others, they should be at least on par with

[ferras]

See, this is what gets me.

Why would you be worried about he engine, Did Ferrari's engineer give you info that we on this site don't know of ?......Exactly, you don't have such. Until we see around the 5th GP of the year , we won't really know the true pecking order.

I'm not gunning you, but it's these sort of statements on here that get some of us wondering where people get their info from.

All i maintain is, Lets support our guys before shooting them down in flames ( Just for this once )

Peace

It's just simple. We haven’t been able to build a good and legal PU in the last 8 seasons. At least i hope the problems were caused by the electrical part and not by ICE.

[patrese86]

I think when it comes to Ferrari you need to balance your expectations and see both sides. It's fair to playdown expectations to a certain degree, at least to the media, i hate them and they will only use any positivity against you. In the inner circles though we should be acknowledging that only winning is an option. Whilst it might not happen overnight we have plouged the resources into this season so there is no excuse to be fighting with McLaren, Aston Martin etc. We need to be splitting the Red bulls and Mercedes. If for example in Bahrain you have a qualifying result that looks something like P1 Max, P2 Leclerc, P3 Hamilton, P4 Sainz, P5 Perez, P6 Russell...then for me that's competing and a platform to build. If we aren't doing that then we haven't improved.

[Gilles]

It's just simple. We haven’t been able to build a good and legal PU in the last 8 seasons. At least i hope the problems were caused by the electrical part and not by ICE.

In 2014, our ICE was far to the Mercedes one, mainly due to their huge cheating, but also not on par with Renault, due to aero's packaging requirement. After that, it was a slow close up, beating Renault, until 2019's up and down with reasons wich were never very clear. If probably not on par on the electrical side for a while, it seems we did a good job last year to catch up

[KimiBot]

I think when it comes to Ferrari you need to balance your expectations and see both sides. It's fair to playdown expectations to a certain degree, at least to the media, i hate them and they will only use any positivity against you. In the inner circles though we should be acknowledging that only winning is an option. Whilst it might not happen overnight we have plouged the resources into this season so there is no excuse to be fighting with McLaren, Aston Martin etc. We need to be splitting the Red bulls and Mercedes. If for example in Bahrain you have a qualifying result that looks something like P1 Max, P2 Leclerc, P3 Hamilton, P4 Sainz, P5 Perez, P6 Russell...then for me that's competing and a platform to build. If we aren't doing that then we haven't improved.

[JPZ]

The Mercedes still porpoising?

Saw a clip of their new sidepod version still porpoising. Or did they solve the problem?

[JPZ]

It's just simple. We haven’t been able to build a good and legal PU in the last 8 seasons. At least i hope the problems were caused by the electrical part and not by ICE.

2018?

[Super M]

I think when it comes to Ferrari you need to balance your expectations and see both sides. It's fair to playdown expectations to a certain degree, at least to the media, i hate them and they will only use any positivity against you. In the inner circles though we should be acknowledging that only winning is an option. Whilst it might not happen overnight we have plouged the resources into this season so there is no excuse to be fighting with McLaren, Aston Martin etc. We need to be splitting the Red bulls and Mercedes. If for example in Bahrain you have a qualifying result that looks something like P1 Max, P2 Leclerc, P3 Hamilton, P4 Sainz, P5 Perez, P6 Russell...then for me that's competing and a platform to build. If we aren't doing that then we haven't improved.

Well said

[PURE PASSION]

Turrini: "As far as I understand it, the F1-75 never ran with a very low fuel load, nor did it want to show off the power of the new PU (low power mode). The most positive thing is certainly the fact that there were no particular problems."
"Both drivers showed the consistency of the car with relative ease og using the new tyres, especially the harder tyres. This is usually a positive sign, a characteristic we saw last time with the SF70H."
"The F1-75 will not change much in the first races. The belief is that there is no reason to do so because firstly, there may be much more to extract from the current car itself."

Corriere reports that the F1-75 were driven with lots of fuel during testing in Bahrain, the difference in the fight at the top is estimated at two to three tenths.
"All the investment in terms of resources and time dedicated to this project is producing the desired results. Things are going as Binotto had planned. It's too early to say whether Ferrari can win, but we know now that they will be in the fight."

[Gilles]

The Mercedes still porpoising?

Saw a clip of their new sidepod version still porpoising. Or did they solve the problem?

They still popoising. Of course it depends of rear height and fuel load, but haven't yet solved it

[PURE PASSION]

#AMuS During the last test day, Red Bull fully turned up the engine but Mercedes believes that there is more to come because Red Bull drove with more fuel. Mercedes only turned up the engine in some stages but not during the fast lap. Ferrari also drove with reduced engine power.
Both Mercedes and Red Bull say that Ferrari did not get their lap times in this year's tests with little fuel, so the lap times are considered competitive.
The RB18 also convinced in the longruns by being less hard on the tyres than the W13. The teams that are able to drive close to the ground, and still manage to take care of bouncing should have the best cards. Ferrari might have more performance in that too.

[Gilles]

Ferrari vs Mercedes vs Red Bull, best lap telemetry comparison with Speed, Throttle, RPM, Gear, DRS
https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-vs-...-rpm-gear-drs/

[elnano14]

The update RBR brought on the last day worth about 0.5s, so I think we and RBR are the two top teams right now (RBR might be a little faster / has higher peak than us but we should've been within 0.2-0.3s to them or even faster at some tracks), Mercedes might be slightly behind but don't doubt their development during season

[JacKy]

My concern mostly about development of the car during season

Since 2010 , Ferrari fells short after summer breaks. Redbull is quite impressive on devoloping their cars.

[ntukza]

It's testing gents, too soon to extrapolate anything really where everyone stands. We will know soon enough in the next 4 to 5 races and NOT next week due to one race. Qualifying is one thing and race pace is another.

What I gathered so far during testing is Ferrari looks rock solid due to laps and mileage.....yes porpoising somewhat but they were trying various floors during testing.

Mercedes looks bewildered.....not like the solid 8 years past of brutal laps and mileage. Massive porpoising as I'm sure they will rectify their problem in 2 to 3 races.

Redbull looks like they have their act together...they seem solid.

"Mercedes looks bewildered..."
My favourite sentence in this thread so far!

[Gilles]

My concern mostly about development of the car during season

Since 2010 , Ferrari fells short after summer breaks. Redbull is quite impressive on devoloping their cars.

I’m repeating myself, but as I say for months, it’s a question of simulation tools. Ferrari’s ones were outdated and gave false results. They preferred to stop development two years ago to invest massively in new state-of-the-art equipment (you surely remember the 2020's Hungary update which didn't work and that they never understood, also the 2020 concept designed wrongly with these tools).Today, they work with egual tools that both large teams and their corelations are made, so there is no more reason to fear they still can't update the car
You will have the prouf of that in one month, on the Imola track with their first big car's update
Are you reassured ?

[ntukza]

I’m repeating myself, but as I say for months, it’s a question of simulation tools. Ferrari’s ones were outdated and gave false results. They preferred to stop development two years ago to invest massively in new state-of-the-art equipment. Today, they work with egual tools that both large teams, because their corelations are made, so there is no more reason to fear they still can't update the car
You will have the prouf of that in one month, on the Imola track with their first big car's update
Are you reassured ?

This is a good point. With that in mind, it makes sense for Ferrari to focus more on data gathering at this stage than performance, and to not rush updates. A team like RB can afford to produce an update within one week, but because our tools are still new we rather delay the updates and spend more time proving our tools. Makes perfect sense, and is definitely more reassuring.

[Schumiklub]

Interesting comparison. Mercedes much bulkier towards the top.

[PURE PASSION]

And more , the team keep saying that there's a lot more to extract from the current setup. They don't look to be in a hurry like they don't afraid from the potential of Merc and Redbull. Who knows, perhaps we actually have a very good car to start with,and from there we can only be better and better. I seems only a dream for a team that haven't saw such characteristics in the last 10+ years ,but till now it looks like they work like a different ,refreshed team!!!!

[Gilles]

This is a good point. With that in mind, it makes sense for Ferrari to focus more on data gathering at this stage than performance, and to not rush updates. A team like RB can afford to produce an update within one week, but because our tools are still new we rather delay the updates and spend more time proving our tools. Makes perfect sense, and is definitely more reassuring.

It takes at least two weeks to manufacture carbon parts. If you add to this the time to design with Cad and Cfd and validate in the wind tunnel, it’s a lot more. The strength of the two big teams is to do this job well, thanks to their best tools (except porpoising which is not yet simulated). Then, when they put something on the track, they find what they wanted when they started the whole process.
At Ferrari, they couldn’t find on the track what their tools told them at the factory and didn’t understand anything. They were like blind.
Now they’re finally at the same level.
It is for this same reason that I did not see McLaren in front this year, they do not yet have the necessary tools

[jgonzalesm6]

https://i.ibb.co/RBT01xN/717-FBCEE-6...E9-BBD2-BC.jpg

Interesting comparison. Mercedes much bulkier towards the top.

Mercedes has introduced some"space-age" cooling having to do with heat exchangers. Pat Symonds talked about it in an article hence the low profile of the sidepod air intake.

I honestly don't know what "space-age" means with regards to technology from spacecraft back in the 70's or space shuttle programs....who knows.

[SFTifoso]

"Mercedes looks bewildered..."
My favourite sentence in this thread so far!

I think they just took the simplest approach to their car.

Mercedes: “We don't have time to test new ideas. Let’s just focus on low drag streamlining because that’s a concept that 100% works. Make the car look like a fish, and work out the bugs as we go along.”

Streamline works of course, but it’s far from guaranteeing fast lap times. They just went with a simple approach and trying to make the best of it.

[PURE PASSION]

"The PU was only slightly used in a higher mode by Haas and Alfa Romeo, not Ferrari. Mercedes and Honda are set to be quite worried of the new PU. The track has to confirm that."
GiulyDuchessa reports that Ferrari are satisfied with the work and data collected during the Bahrain test, which will allow Ferrari to begin to extract the true potential of the F1-75.
Ferrari is planning to use a celebratory livery for Monaco and Monza, according to GiulyDuchessa. #F1

[Tifoso]

According to telemetry datas

* Leclerc opened DRS 50 meters late than his opponents (at the beginning of the flying lap)
* Lerclec was the only car on full throttle at Turn 7 (impressive)
* Redbull’s uses longer gear ratios. And higher RPM
* Mercedes uses shortest Gear ratios. ( explains faster accelerations )

Grazie fratello!

[Tony]

Binotto has not been one to mince words over the last 3 years. He's stated, quite factually, when his team was not going to be competitive. With that in mind, I'm baffled by, what appears to be, his contradictory statements. I cannot reconcile his comments about being an outsider with his comments about giving Leclerc a fast car. Unless he's referring to giving him a faster car later in the season.

So in my head, Binotto is signalling, at the very least, that the Ferrari wont be on the front row for the first few races, but is expecting to be competing for the top spot at some point later in the season.