Scuderia Ferrari SF-25 Discussion Thread

[FerrariF60]

This will be a year to remember.

hopefully for Ferrari and US fans, in a good way

[Brembo]

Charles going for his 1st WDC Lewis going for his 8th, Ferrari going fot there 1st new WCC in 16 years!

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari have never been in a stronger position Driver wise the strongest pairing and from the talk around the paddock the SF 25 is the package to beat at the start of the season. They believe the SF 25 has overtaken maclaren.

[PURE PASSION]

Ferrari have never been in a stronger position Driver wise the strongest pairing and from the talk around the paddock the SF 25 is the package to beat at the start of the season. They believe the SF 25 has overtaken maclaren.

Who is " they"?
Although I'm more then eager to believe such thing, there is NO way someone to know the exact performance level from each team !!!!

[paolo lalli]

Gazzetta del sport with paddock insiders are reporting that ferrari indeed have inclined past maclaren.

[speedmaster]

Maybe they meant last year's McLaren

[subfire91]

Gazzetta del sport with paddock insiders are reporting that ferrari indeed have inclined past maclaren.

im not dismissing your sources but im trying to understand how someone can reach that conclusion so early.

from the first session of day 1 one, ferrari did not seem the car to beat. But that was my humble observation and of obviously there are a lot of things i do not know

[Brembo]

One thing for sure ; Ferrari has not just one but Two top drivers anxious to get their WDC , a first for Charles or a n 8th for Lewis .and WCC for the team. I just hope the car is there for them.

[Aviamata]

New floor in Bahrain

[Cavallino]

New floor in Bahrain

yeah but it doesn't sound like it was designed with the specific issues that have been seen so far in mind... they may however indirectly fix things, and improve the setup window and range of useable ride heights.

let's see

we probably don't need the floor for Japan anyway due to the nature of the circuit.

let's hope for a warm weather weekend, all weekend

[PURE PASSION]

��| Ferrari updates the simulator: new model of the SF-25 for Suzuka:

— After a difficult Chinese Grand Prix, Ferrari has refined its simulator model for the SF-25 ahead of Suzuka, using updated data from Bahrain, Australia, and China to recalibrate parameters and improve long-run accuracy.

— Ferrari’s winter program focused on expanding the SF-25’s operating window, but without pushing for performance peaks in testing, early miscorrelations emerged. The Bahrain test lacked representative long-run data, limiting simulator validation.

— Sprint performance in China, especially Hamilton’s win on low fuel, revealed the car’s rear stability under efficient ride height setups, but issues with setup misjudgments and weight miscalculations highlighted gaps in simulator accuracy.

— The team has now reprocessed all relevant data and corrected simulator baselines, allowing more precise preparation for Suzuka. Engineers can better anticipate handling behavior and optimize mechanical and aerodynamic setup interaction.

— Ferrari’s goal is a performance step forward in Japan by stabilizing platform behavior in the first sector and enhancing setup consistency across free practice, qualifying, and race stints.

#charlesleclerc #lewishamilton #scuderiaferrari

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[Cavallino]

��| Ferrari updates the simulator: new model of the SF-25 for Suzuka:

— After a difficult Chinese Grand Prix, Ferrari has refined its simulator model for the SF-25 ahead of Suzuka, using updated data from Bahrain, Australia, and China to recalibrate parameters and improve long-run accuracy.

— Ferrari’s winter program focused on expanding the SF-25’s operating window, but without pushing for performance peaks in testing, early miscorrelations emerged. The Bahrain test lacked representative long-run data, limiting simulator validation.

— Sprint performance in China, especially Hamilton’s win on low fuel, revealed the car’s rear stability under efficient ride height setups, but issues with setup misjudgments and weight miscalculations highlighted gaps in simulator accuracy.

— The team has now reprocessed all relevant data and corrected simulator baselines, allowing more precise preparation for Suzuka. Engineers can better anticipate handling behavior and optimize mechanical and aerodynamic setup interaction.

— Ferrari’s goal is a performance step forward in Japan by stabilizing platform behavior in the first sector and enhancing setup consistency across free practice, qualifying, and race stints.

#charlesleclerc #lewishamilton #scuderiaferrari

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I know everyone is going to say, "oh but the other teams are refining their setups too".

True, but listen to the reports from RedBull, they've hit the performance ceiling.

This is where the gamble will have to pay off for Ferrari. If we brought last years car and were where we were, winning a sprint, we'd be in trouble.
The fact that this car has all this pace, and it isn't even optimized yet, is very promising.

As i said in another post, Suzuka could be good, even without updates, if the weather stays warm, the track is less bumpy, less low speed (which ironically used to be a strength). It's a good place for damage limitation while waiting for the Bahrain updates, which we will need for that bumpy track.

I just wish they didn't dig this hole...

[Aziz]

I just wish they didn't dig this hole...

we all do

[Brembo]

Ferrari has two very anxious and capable WDC winners this year. They need a very capable car to get one of them a WDC.

[FerrariF60]

so do we know, if ferrari is bringing OR not a new floor to Bahrain to address the issue we're having??
if it's indeed the floor causing the problem and NOT something to do with the rear suspension

[Cavallino]

so do we know, if ferrari is bringing OR not a new floor to Bahrain to address the issue we're having??
if it's indeed the floor causing the problem and NOT something to do with the rear suspension

i wouldn't look at it that way. I think regardless of whether or not this floor was born with the known issues in mind, it should bring us performance. I would look for a step here. Putting up a better qualifying performance and as a result a better fight for the podium. With the understanding that this car should have the most headroom for performance updates on the grid.

[JPZ]

Ferrari has two very anxious and capable WDC winners this year. They need a very capable car to get one of them a WDC.

Yes, we've had 2 multiple WDC winners squandered at Ferrari.

The current driver lineup is probably one of the strongest ever in the team.

Let's hope after 17 years this time is different...

[Greig]

so do we know, if ferrari is bringing OR not a new floor to Bahrain to address the issue we're having??
if it's indeed the floor causing the problem and NOT something to do with the rear suspension

New floor to be tested by Lewis, FP1. Also rumoured to have tweaked the diffuser and cooling.

[FerrariF60]

New floor to be tested by Lewis, FP1. Also rumoured to have tweaked the diffuser and cooling.

tested in China Fp1?? are you making things up?? i've never heard or read anything about it.

[Greig]

tested in China Fp1?? are you making things up?? i've never heard or read anything about it.

Lewis said we have the new floor in the media today, maybe he made it up though. He will test it in FP1 in Bahrain obv. Charles is not doing FP1.

[FerrariF60]

Lewis said we have the new floor in the media today, maybe he made it up though. He will test it in FP1 in Bahrain obv. Charles is not doing FP1.

awesome, hopefully it will bring us a bit more performance and be able to get a tad closer to those Mclarens....and Max

[Red is Best]

According to Gazzetta delle Sport, the new floor is part of a bigger upgrade package that was scheduled for the Miami GP, but the team finally decided to introduce the floor in Bahrain. Hamilton will run the
New floor in FP1 while the second car will run the old one.

[jgonzalesm6]

Seen pics of the new floor and diffuser tweaks when compared to China.

[nani_s23]

Seen pics of the new floor and diffuser tweaks when compared to China.

Seems like they are chasing for more Downforce. Interesting to see if this upgrade bridges the gap.

[aroutis]

so do we know, if ferrari is bringing OR not a new floor to Bahrain to address the issue we're having??
if it's indeed the floor causing the problem and NOT something to do with the rear suspension

Every indication is that they bring a new floor and also they focus to the back of the car , even to the rear wing.
In short, the synergy of how the floor works with the back of the car. Which sounds good to me.

[aroutis]

According to Gazzetta delle Sport, the new floor is part of a bigger upgrade package that was scheduled for the Miami GP, but the team finally decided to introduce the floor in Bahrain. Hamilton will run the
New floor in FP1 while the second car will run the old one.

This has to do both with the comparison part but also with the fact that FP1 will see running a rookie instead of LEC at one car. So I am guessing they don't want to risk an incident with new parts either.

[patrese86]

#
Updated component
Primary reason for update
Geometric differences compared to previous version
Brief description on how the update works (min 20, max 100 words)
1
Floor Fences
Performance - Flow Conditioning
Redistribution of fences profiles / camber
Not event specific, this floor package features updated front floor / fences targeting an improvement of the losses travelling downstream.
2
Floor Body
Performance - Flow Conditioning
Reshaped front floor leading edge and tunnel expansion
The reshaped boat and tunnel expansion have been subsequently reoptimized, together with the floor edge loading and vorticity shedding into the diffuser.
3
Floor Edge
Performance - Flow Conditioning
Extended front floor edge wing and reprofiling
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4
Diffuser
Performance - Flow Conditioning
Redesigned diffuser expansion
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5
Rear Wing
Performance - Local Load
Pillar winglet update
As for the floor, this upgrade is not event specific and aims at a minor improvement of car aerodynamic efficiency.

[PURE PASSION]

Summary of @Auto_Racer_it live stream

— New floor provided more downforce as expected.
— The SF-25's problem is mainly aerodynamic in nature. It is too sensitive to ride height changes. This is an area currently being worked on.
— No indication on the timing of the next upgrade package (not Miami).
— The package is bigger than the one brought to Bahrain, and will work to eliminate the limitations of the SF-25.
— A lower downforce wing is being brought to Jeddah.

[Red is Best]

From Gazzetta dello Sport (translated from Italian by ChatGPT)

Ferrari Worksite: With the New Floor, Tires Perform at Their Best for Twice as Long. And in Jeddah…

The Saudi Arabian circuit is gentle on tires, allowing for low downforce and minimal ride height setups—ideal conditions for the SF-25. New upgrades coming in Miami.

Four races without much to celebrate—aside from Lewis Hamilton's flash of brilliance in the China Sprint—but Bahrain has offered signs of hope for Ferrari. Charles Leclerc's fourth-place finish, just off the podium, isn't exactly a reason to celebrate, but the final result doesn't tell the whole story. The SF-25's performance in the middle stint of the race was remarkable. During that phase, the fuel load was over 65% of what was on board at the start, and yet the Ferraris were still fast. Even Lewis Hamilton, who struggled all weekend to find a setup that suited him, managed a series of impressive laps during that same stint.

Ferrari’s Performance Window

This analysis seems to have emerged from the data available to Ferrari's engineers, leading to the conclusion that the "operating window" of the Ferrari in Bahrain was almost twice as wide as it had been in Suzuka the week before. It’s undeniable that the new floor introduced in Sakhir had a positive impact, providing more consistent performance across a broader range of conditions—not just with a low fuel load.

This Sunday’s race is in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, on an extremely fast street circuit with a sequence of quick direction changes and smooth, low-abrasion asphalt—completely different from Bahrain. Tire degradation is expected to be minimal, so Pirelli has selected the softest compound range (C3, C4, C5). These could be ideal conditions for further expanding Ferrari’s performance window. According to some reports, this could mean an increase of around 30% compared to Bahrain.

Ferrari’s Setup

The SF-25 will run a low-downforce aerodynamic configuration, with minimal wing angles and, most importantly, reduced ride height, maximizing the ground effect aerodynamic load. This could help mitigate the performance drop-off from the floor seen in earlier races.

Additionally, the Jeddah circuit should align well with the DNA of the 2025 car, which is suited to high-speed corners. During simulator sessions preparing for this Grand Prix, special attention was paid to improving the car’s mechanical traction, experimenting with various dynamic setup combinations (suspension settings).

Ferrari’s shortcomings in this early part of the season are largely due to the interaction between aerodynamics and chassis. So, the path taken in Bahrain seems to be the right one. Meanwhile, Maranello is working on the next developments, with some updates expected as early as Miami.

Will we finally see a Ferrari on the attack?

[PURE PASSION]

Merc say that they are preparing a big upgrade package for Imola
Witch they think they will catch McLaren.
The truth is that with our upgrades we where at best equal with them. So it would be possible to pull further ahead with theirs.
Unless we extract more from ours.