Hungarian GP - Race Thread

[DIEK]

[Julie B]

All this adds to the drama of F1, would be boring if things like this didn't happen

[Greig]

Bit OTT. I very much doubt anyone could die in an F1 car with today's safety. Look at Kubica in Montreal 2008 or Webber at Valencia this year. It was a stupid move, he should have moved left when Rubens got alongside. Michael has never been one to compromise and he showed us that again today.

I'm sure he will get a penalty for it, of some kind. Once he reviews it he will probably realise it was stupid, but he's not going to admit that and apologise on TV, otherwise he loses his reputation as someone who doesn't compromise.

LOL if Rubens hit that wall then he might well have been very seriously injured, suggesting F1 drivers are now invincible is OTT. Webber flipped over and landed on his wheels, hardly a 180MPH impact into a wall, Kubica was a very lucky guy, do we really need to put people into a wall to test your theory?

[SilverSpeed]

Time to put MS in the retirement home if you ask me.

[Greig]

Jenson speechless when told MS blames Rubens for it LOL

[Suzie]

Bit OTT. I very much doubt anyone could die in an F1 car with today's safety. Look at Kubica in Montreal 2008 or Webber at Valencia this year. It was a stupid move, he should have moved left when Rubens got alongside. Michael has never been one to compromise and he showed us that again today.

All it takes is for something freakish to happen, though. As we have seen.

[F2007KR]

Vettel - I do not understand why I got the penalty.

At this point, I would say Webber is by far the better racer. Vettel is indeed faster, especially in Q3, but he seems too prone to stupid mistakes. I would bet on Webber or Alonso winning the WDC now instead of Vettel. I don't see Vettel doing well unless he can learn not to shoot himself in the foot. His excuses for his error in the press conference were pretty bad too, it was his responsibility to keep the distance, whatever Webber did or the radio being out is irrelevant.

But awesome drive from both Alonso and Webber. It wasn't a Ferrari that won, but I felt good watching Webber win, he did an amazing job this race. And it was a pretty bad day to be a McLaren fan too. I felt my heart stop a few times during Alonso's battle with Vettel. Now lets see him win the Belgian Grand Prix. If there is any track Ferrari can win at, its Spa. Kimi did an excellent job last year with the mediocre F60, I can only imagine what Alonso in the F10 can do.

[eriknaa]

Michael VS Rubens

Mchael really showed his determination to keep that place.
He was on the inside of the pitwall, to protect his place, long before rubens was beside him. As Michael tried to get rubens to the other side of the track.
But rubens descided to stick with it, his choice, it was definetly to worse than webber vs massa at fuji.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elyxIhMW_No
Very Hard Racing, but fair.

[Aussie]

I like webber, but lets be honest, he isnt one of the top 3-4 in this sport, without this car, he wouldnt be in it.

What a load of crap webber is a top 4 driver easy

[Hornet]

All this adds to the drama of F1, would be boring if things like this didn't happen

LOL, true indeed.

here's hoping that more drama will be brought on by Red Bulls

[Agron]

LOL if Rubens hit that wall then he might well have been very seriously injured, suggesting F1 drivers are now invincible is OTT. Webber flipped over and landed on his wheels, hardly a 180MPH impact into a wall, Kubica was a very lucky guy, do we really need to put people into a wall to test your theory?

Indeed, if he had hit the wall at that speed the front wheel would have been torn apart and may have hit his helmet with the worst consequences; no security cable could have resisted such impact.

[Ste]

LOL if Rubens hit that wall then he might well have been very seriously injured, suggesting F1 drivers are now invincible is OTT. Webber flipped over and landed on his wheels, hardly a 180MPH impact into a wall, Kubica was a very lucky guy, do we really need to put people into a wall to test your theory?

It would have been a bad accident, certainly, but I stick with my theory. Webber hit a car head on at probably 150mph (speed minus heikki's reduced speed) landed on the roll-hoop, still doing 150mph and then hit the barriers. If someone can walk away with that un-scathed and other drivers get minor injury from other horrific accidents, then I doubt someone could die. It would take something like Rubens' flying spring, something un-predictable for that to happen. I don't think the drivers are invincible, just the cars. Going straight into a concreate wall at 200mph might be different but since there are run-offs or gravel traps and then a tyre barrier then that's not going to happen.

Of course we don't need to put people in a wall to test my theory, never suggested that, just saying that nowadays, danger comes in a different form that it did 10 years or so ago.

[FFFerrari]

About todays race:

Thumbs up for Webber, Alonso and Petrov. Webber for the insane drive for 43 laps on option tires, Alonso for being able to be both lucky and good enough to keep Vettel behind him. And no, he didn't have problems with this car, Red Bulls were just so much better. Like he said in interview, on any other track they would have passed him. Petrov ended with a very impressive result that might guarantee him a spot for next year on Renault.

Thumbs sideways for Vettel, Massa and most of the other drivers. Vettel was quick but was snoozing during SC and got the penalty for his sleep. Massa was "just driving" and didn't even try to catch FA and SV.

Thumbs down for Schumacher. That move was not only dangerous but also very stupid when you are driving for the 10th place. Luckily everyone is alive . Also thumbs down for the track and making more tarmac safety zones. I remember that some of these spots used to have gravel traps.

[Greig]

Michael VS Rubens

Mchael really showed his determination to keep that place.
He was on the inside of the pitwall, to protect his place, long before rubens was beside him. As Michael tried to get rubens to the other side of the track.
But rubens descided to stick with it, his choice, it was definetly to worse than webber vs massa at fuji.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elyxIhMW_No
Very Hard Racing, but fair.

Michael is a liar

[Greig]

It would have been a bad accident, certainly, but I stick with my theory. Webber hit a car head on at probably 150mph (speed minus heikki's reduced speed) landed on the roll-hoop, still doing 150mph and then hit the barriers. If someone can walk away with that un-scathed and other drivers get minor injury from other horrific accidents, then I doubt someone could die. It would take something like Rubens' flying spring, something un-predictable for that to happen. I don't think the drivers are invincible, just the cars. Going straight into a concreate wall at 200mph might be different but since there are run-offs or gravel traps and then a tyre barrier then that's not going to happen.

Of course we don't need to put people in a wall to test my theory, never suggested that, just saying that nowadays, danger comes in a different form that it did 10 years or so ago.

150MPH LOL? seriously he flipped over was not a big impact in the slightest......

[Stormsearcher]

What an amazing race!!!.. superb start by Alonso and he did very well to keep grumpy behind for almost 40 laps.
But the bulls were simply incredible. They were putting a gap to our cars almost at will. Scary. Hope we catch up before the next race or our updates hold good.

@MS incident-- what was he thinking. I hope he gets punished. Extremely dangerous move. Even webber wont do something like this.

[ferrari4life]

one thing putting somone into the grass but putting someone into the wall is not an offense that should be forgotten. his excuse that he was forcing rubens to go the other way is bogus. he would have lifted if he saw what was about to happen.

[vecchiasignora]

down to 20 points. Before this race Alonso was 34 points down on the leader, we cut 14 points today.

The descision to let Alonso pass Massa is justified now. In the constructors we are down 74 points on the first. We are out of that.

[Tech_Skill]

What a load of crap webber is a top 4 driver easy

Nah, Vettel is better than Webber, Alonso is better than Webber, Hamilton is better than Webber, and I believe there is a case for a fully focused massa being better than webber, Kubica also is better than Webber imo, Possibly rosberg.....

Webber is a good driver, but lets get real here, he's got the fastest car by some distance at the moment.

Lets put it another way, Anyhow Alonso or Hamilton had the red bull, I can tell you now this championship would not be close. Vettel is a proven winner in a substandard machinery when he took a torro rosso to pole and race win.

[Greig]

LOL at Mercedes trying to say Rubens should go other side....MS said he could not see him, yet was looking in his mirrors all the time

[Ste]

150MPH LOL? seriously he flipped over was not a big impact in the slightest......

Well they're doing about 190mph at the bottom of that straight and he hit Heikki who was probably doing about 50mph less since he braked. So he'd have been airborne at 150mph, or more.

[Greig]

Well they're doing about 190mph at the bottom of that straight and he hit Heikki who was probably doing about 50mph less since he braked. So he'd have been airborne at 150mph, or more.

Ok you are just guessing that speed though hardly the same as hitting a concrete wall and drivers being immune from death is it

[Hornet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elyxIhMW_No
Very Hard Racing, but fair.

Pretty bold move by Massa , and Webber's uncompromising too, nudging Massa again after the dividing wall at the pit exit.

But yeah, that's hard racing

[DIEK]

I do'nt know when it erased. Comments in Spanish. (Marc Gene, Carlos Sainz & Antonio Lobato)

[Ferrarichamp]

Good drive by Alonso. He's now only 21 points off the lead. Good to see McLaren's reliability is not bullet proof, Button lost an engine in Monaco, now Lewis suffers a DNF. So WDC is still possible, we need speed and reliability.

[Julie B]

Any chance we can concentrate on our team's result today ???

[Ste]

Ok you are just guessing that speed though hardly the same as hitting a concrete wall and drivers being immune from death is it

Giving a rough guess at the airborne speed yes. But, that was a horrifying accident that we all cringed at, as was Kubica in 2008 etc. And he simply got out of the car and walked off. These cars are so, so strong, even if Rubens had hit the wall and had a big incident, he'd have walked away just like the rest. Side on impacts don't work the same as head on collisions.

[eriknaa]

Michael is a liar

Aha that is your opinion greg, but you have to admit that Michael was comitted to his line, rubens did try it on his own, and could easily have gone to the outside, when michael had the inside...
But since michael is michael, everybody is going to be very harsh on him, even if other have done the same before him.

[gvsnraju85]

At this point, I would say Webber is by far the better racer. Vettel is indeed faster, especially in Q3, but he seems too prone to stupid mistakes. I would bet on Webber or Alonso winning the WDC now instead of Vettel. I don't see Vettel doing well unless he can learn not to shoot himself in the foot. His excuses for his error in the press conference were pretty bad too, it was his responsibility to keep the distance, whatever Webber did or the radio being out is irrelevant.

But awesome drive from both Alonso and Webber. It wasn't a Ferrari that won, but I felt good watching Webber win, he did an amazing job this race. And it was a pretty bad day to be a McLaren fan too. I felt my heart stop a few times during Alonso's battle with Vettel. Now lets see him win the Belgian Grand Prix. If there is any track Ferrari can win at, its Spa. Kimi did an excellent job last year with the mediocre F60, I can only imagine what Alonso in the F10 can do.

yeah i agree...but remember vettel was not too far behind last year and this year they are flying......i hope we get some awsome updates and that leaves everybody speechless........but now there is a big black null and void awaiting fot the next 2 weeks.......i hate this break...but i guess the employee love it.....i guess this is the only time in the entire year that they sleep for 8-10 hours a day

[ferrari4life]

Aha that is your opinion greg, but you have to admit that Michael was comitted to his line, rubens did try it on his own, and could easily have gone to the outside, when michael had the inside...
But since michael is michael, everybody is going to be very harsh on him, even if other have done the same before him.

Michael is a LIAR...