2013 German GP: Qualifying Thread

[Forzi]

Seeing how we did in Q1 and Q2, hearing the team saying that we are competitive here, i take this strategy as going for the win, which i'm really happy after the past few races.

[mirafiori]

Ferrari must be happy with there decision starting on medium tyres, as both cars are on medium, if they were unsure surly one of the cars would of started on soft tyres. So lets wait and see what happen in the race on Sunday.

[Golfsmith]

'LongtimeFan'

I don't even talk about the 80's then some members will go into depression.

[Kyss4k]

I don't think we pitted Massa the first time around for a puncture. We were all expecting him to go further in the first stint, but he pitted along with the front runners. Either the tires didn't last, or the advantage the others have on new tires were too big that we had to respond.

My worry is the latter happening tomorrow. If the new sets are much faster once the front runners take on, we'll lose our advantage

Hopefully not. We simply can't look at others tomorrow. We have to drive our own race, regardless when the others are pitting.

[Infi24r]

Ferrari will lead the race after lap 10. Easly.

those soft tyres looked awful.

I'm also willing to bet they'll both get a few positions off the line.

Hopefully Hamilton can stay ahead of Vettel and maybe even Raikkonen can jump Seb at the start.

Excellent performance by Ricciardo.

[Ferrarichamp]

Maybe we could have split the strategy.

[Kyss4k]

Maybe we could have split the strategy.

If we are sure we can win with this strategy, splitting it would be a really bad call.

[zike]

Maybe we could have split the strategy.

I was thinking the same thing, but then again they are probably sure it was the right strategy for both drivers

[Aberracus]

Massa is in the same row as Webber, maybe that's good for Alonso.

Anyway LMP could be a great way to develop our F1 motor.

Lets hope tomorrow Strategy pays.

[bonzo]

If we are sure we can win with this strategy, splitting it would be a really bad call.

Splitting will be tomorrow as the race develops, one will go M M S and the other M S M.
Will be decided depending on how the gaps are, SC or not, how long the front runners will stay on softs, etc.

[Hermann]

'LongtimeFan'

I don't even talk about the 80's then some members will go into depression.

Well the way it looks right now i might not live long enough to see Ferrari winning titles again, that is certainly a reason for going into depressions don't you think

[bonzo]

Good strategy or not, let's hope Vettel DNF again

[DJTaurus]

Considering lap times on long runs from fp1-2-3 vettel and kimi were the best and more consistent!

[Tony]

I think Ferrari realized after Silverstone that being stuck in traffic on the softs in opening stint wasn't the best strategy for them.... if they are ones that are bunching up cars behind them until it's there turn on the softs the strategy might work out, it all depends on the start... if they go backwards at the start it will be disastrous, if they manage to keep their position or catch out a few drivers in front of them, it could work out and one or both of the drivers could end up on the podium.... I think this is a damage limitation move, they would rather not end up 4th or 5th starting on softs, this might produce a podium result where it wouldn't have done so by starting on the softs...

[Ferrarichamp]

Good strategy or not, let's hope Vettel DNF again

it's possible we've had our share of bad luck in the past.

[Golfsmith]

Rob

SinanOzerS

I know Ferrari wont go LMP as Audi will crush them there,they are the best car team there.

I know Ferrari did'nt won for 21 years in the 80's as I was already supporting them from 79 and will always they must just start to get there act together but they lost out to other teams in this simulation era of F1.

Ferrari must use Kobayashi and an older car to test 24/7 to sort there tire issues and mechanical grip problems they have and learn from that.

[anakin]

I think Ferrari realized after Silverstone that being stuck in traffic on the softs in opening stint wasn't the best strategy for them.... if they are ones that are bunching up cars behind them until it's there turn on the softs the strategy might work out, it all depends on the start... if they go backwards at the start it will be disastrous, if they manage to keep their position or catch out a few drivers in front of them, it could work out and one or both of the drivers could end up on the podium.... I think this is a damage limitation move, they would rather not end up 4th or 5th starting on softs, this might produce a podium result where it wouldn't have done so by starting on the softs...

agree. looking at the last race. fernando qualified 10 on the softer compound. if it wasn't for the retirements, it would be a little too impossible for alonso to finish on the podium. a little bit of luck i would say. now he is on 8th but on harder compound. sometimes it pays of to roll the dice. especially that the car is having some issues right now and can't match the pace of rbr and merc.

[Nero Horse]

Well, that's a very risky strategy that we opted to use. It's successful outcome depends on so many factors...a good start, smooth overtaking and clean air in order to push when needed. But if this strategy does indeed work out like it's supposed to, then oh boy...sky is the limit! I can definitely see the benefits of this kind of strategy, but everything needs to go perfectly for it to work. The great thing is that we are looking really-really quick and I think/hope we're back to our normal level of competitiveness after that slump at Silverstone. I even had a feeling that we could've fought for pole today, if we would've really committed to getting it.

Anything is possible tomorrow! Stay calm and FORZA FERRARI!!!

[Cemz85]

We need a lot of drivers outside the top 10 to start on the mediums to get in the way of the top 5 exiting the pits after maybe lap 8. The mediums are very consistent so that means most of the field will not be sitting ducks to the fresh tires mediums of the rb and lotus and Hamilton. Very good for us.
I like the strategy all the way upto the last stint. What happens then I don't know

[bonzo]

Softs are 1,3 sec faster than meds and last for 10-12 laps, so they can build a gap of abt. 14 sec. The pit stop time at N-ring is 21 sec, may be longer if 60kph rule is active already. Means we can have some 6-7 sec lead when they change to meds. Moreover, the front runners will be in trafic after their first stop. We will be somewhat lighter at this time and make some good laps to save the 6 sec lead before pitting for a change. Put on the brand new softs and catch them. Last stint we put on the virgin meds... Strategy might work.

[anakin]

it's possible we've had our share of bad luck in the past.

i expect vettel to become very impatient tomorrow and commit a nasty error or another reliability issue. lets hope for the best

[Kyss4k]

Softs are 1,3 sec faster than meds and last for 10-12 laps, so they can build a gap of abt. 14 sec. The pit stop time at N-ring is 21 sec, may be longer if 60kph rule is active already. Means we can have some 6-7 sec lead when they change to meds. Moreover, the front runners will be in trafic after their first stop. We will be somewhat lighter at this time and make some good laps to save the 6 sec lead before pitting for a change. Put on the brand new softs and catch them. Last stint we put on the virgin meds... Strategy might work.

Their softs will not last for 10 laps after they were used in quali. In the hifg fuelrace stints at friday they were gone after 7 or 8 laps for most of the field. I wouldn't be surplised if people would pit in lap 5-7.

[Cemz85]

Softs are 1,3 sec faster than meds and last for 10-12 laps, so they can build a gap of abt. 14 sec.

I think they will want to go to lap 10- 12, but I'm sure one of the top 5 will try to undercut at about lap 6 forcing the rest to pit. It all comes down to who pits first then they all will pit right after another.

[bonzo]

Their softs will not last for 10 laps after they were used in quali. In the hifg fuelrace stints at friday they were gone after 7 or 8 laps for most of the field. I wouldn't be surplised if people would pit in lap 5-7.

Even better for us

[anakin]

Their softs will not last for 10 laps after they were used in quali. In the hifg fuelrace stints at friday they were gone after 7 or 8 laps for most of the field. I wouldn't be surplised if people would pit in lap 5-7.

I heard from the live commentary fp2 i think if i remember it right that the softs loose it at the end of 4th lap that the cars will be pitting by lap-5.

[redkid]

In terms of raw pace,were no match with Merc,RB and Lotus. So,we better be lucky tomorrow to get some very good points and Im counting more on our good luck and strategy rather than beating the rest of the top teams on speed alone.Good luck to our Boys tomorrow, and Yes We can!Forza Ferrari!

[tifosi1993]

Preliminary Classification

Lap Times

Best Sector Times

Speed Trap

Maximum Speeds

[bonzo]

I heard from the live commentary fp2 i think if i remember it right that the softs loose it at the end of 4th lap that the cars will be pitting by lap-5.

Softs last longer when the car is light on fuel, may play in our hands.

[shamim179]

We went for this strategy primarily because of what some of the others did. Rosberg didn't make it to Q3 so one less front runner ahead of us. Both button and Hulkenberg didn't set a time for Q3 so we'd get P7 and P8 anyway. What baffles me is why Massa posted a faster time than Alonso. That was unnecessary as Alonso could have jumped perhaps one competitor car ahead of him ricciardo but now instead has massa which Alonso can jump of course but it is gaining on massa instead of ricciardo. Doesn't make sense to me. Both drivers were coasting and also what was unnecessary was to post those faster lap times at the end which didn't change the result perhaps to prepare those set of tyres better for the race?

[Red is Best]

I think the strategy is based on the fact that the front runners will pit early to get rid of the soft tyres and on the belief that we will be able to more or less match the lap times they will be doing with new mediums on tyres that are 6 or 7 laps older.
The goal being to not lose too much time before the last stint (I guess around 10 laps) that we will be doing on the softs and on low fuel. Looks like we are betting everything on the higher track temperatures expected for the race.
It does look like an awfully risky strategy, and I would have preferred to start higher up the grid, but let's wait and see, hoping it won't backfire come race day.