Will Alonso Leave Ferrari at the end of the Season if he doesn't win the WDC?

[diesel08]

Don't think so ...
He just get's angry when people starts complaining that the FERRARI car isn't good enough for this or that driver. And as he also wrote: drivers will come and go (and leave more or less traces in the history of the prancing horse) but Ferrari will be the constant ... he cares about the Scuderia first ... and then the driver ...
And even he don't like Fernando (and his fans) he appreciates the work he is doing for the team and shows every weekend that he is a racer and never gives up ... (would have quoted the posting from Redarmysoja where he wrote why Fernando fit to this team so well)...

But I bet Redarmysoja will tell you with his own words ...

But (and that is a very good point from @Hornet) the attack against the team and also against Felipe isn't only from Fernando Fans alone ... so maybe too general spoken and too easy ...

In don't talk about massa or alonso perfomance here. In this forum, if we are clever we must made a diference and not generalize. Anyway, this threat is an absolute nonsense. Just talking for nothing. Ok, for nothing, but with RESPECT.

[Rob]

In don't talk about massa or alonso perfomance here. In this forum, if we are clever we must made a diference and not generalize. Anyway, this threat is an absolute nonsense. Just talking for nothing. Ok, for nothing, but with RESPECT.

Right first off, i know you dont, Red wasnt saying you. Every race weekend we dont have good enough car for some fans who just rock up here at race weekends. It turns out to be an assualt on the team and Felipe in nearly every post. You only need to scan through the race, quali and Practice threads to see what im (we) are on about. Mainly its Fernando fans. Sorry to say it, but its the truth.

Secondly, lets not turn this thread into name calling, and turning on each other. Plus we respect everyone on here, and all the team. But its not the same as the people we on about. They show no respect for the team or drivers (Felipe mainly) and members on here when we have made race or car is performing they want it too.

[REDARMYSOJA]

But I bet Redarmysoja will tell you with his own words ...

Thanks Senna4Ever but I don't think I could do a better job.

I will say that I'm not angry, and don't dislike all Alonso fans, and it's not all Alonso fans who are being a pain.

I'm just tired of ALL the whiners who constantly bash the team, the car or Felipe and whine that Alonso is "wasting his talent" or Ferrari is "wasting his talent" or that Alonso "deserves a better car" and I have even seen some who have given up on next season.

I started following Ferrari in 1984 so it was a long time before I ever saw Ferrari become a champion or even win many races. So I know some don't realize what real futility is. I was a Jean Alesi fan even when he was with Tyrrell and even after it finally ended for him at Ferrari and we had expected at least one championship and certainly more than one win, I never thought Alesi "wasted his talent" at Ferrari. Because racing for Ferrari is never a "waste".

[diesel08]

Right first off, i know you dont, Red wasnt saying you. Every race weekend we dont have good enough car for some fans who just rock up here at race weekends. It turns out to be an assualt on the team and Felipe in nearly every post. You only need to scan through the race, quali and Practice threads to see what im (we) are on about. Mainly its Fernando fans. Sorry to say it, but its the truth.

Secondly, lets not turn this thread into name calling, and turning on each other. Plus we respect everyone on here, and all the team. But its not the same as the people we on about. They show no respect for the team or drivers (Felipe mainly) and members on here when we have made race or car is performing they want it too.

I saw and I don't agree with some sort of Fernando's "fans". I repeat, we must to dissaminate and sort the comments and the people who made this. Alonso show in many way and occasions the Ferrari atachement's and determination. He love Ferrari and Ferrari love him. Don't understand who have the interes to develop this threat and why.

[shamim179]

His contract is up to 2015 with an option up to 2016 - is this correct? Does anyone know if there is a get out clause in his contract? The team need to tread carefully here as he has made Ferrari look better than it actually is and I don't think any other driver out there on the market will bring in the same sort of results as he does. Vettel is improving and Hamilton is very good but I don't think they would be equally as good replacements as Alonso at least not now. Hope the team gives a strong performance push in the second half of the season that's all he is asking for but I fear that if there are more and more excuses from the team and if some team members point the finger at him tensions will escalate. We don't need that. He is a passionate driver and Ferrari are a passionate team. They gel in nicely together. Particularly Fry needs to be careful with what he does or says to Alonso as these two previously had an argument despite Ferrari later denying it. I hope it all goes well and it's good to see Luca positive but then again that's what he's supposed to do be positive but deep down he is probably getting more and more frustrated.

[Hornet]

I honestly don't think there's any truth in Pat Fry arguing with Alonso rumor.

[Rob]

I honestly don't think there's any truth in Pat Fry arguing with Alonso rumor.

No, it was blown way out of proportion by the Media as usual.

[Nero Horse]

Because racing for Ferrari is never a "waste".

Exactly right! Driving for Ferrari is an honor and a huge privilege in it's own. People who don't understand that, don't understand the essence of Ferrari and everything it stands for. Ferrari is SO much more than just a F1 team or just a car manufacturer...it's the greatest legend in automotive/motorsport history. And the drivers who race for Scuderia Ferrari will always be a part of that legend.

[Alonsomaniac]

... as long as he takes his fans with him. I hope none of them let the door hit them in the behind on the way out.

Thank you for being so kind to me...as if an Alonsofan can't be a Ferrarifan at the same time.

[Alonsomaniac]

Some Ferrarifans here still know very little about Fernando Alonso it seems. In the past Fernando was even disliked by a lot of people because of his so-called "arrogance" . The truth is that he never was arrogant at all, but always said the truth, at least what he felt as being the truth. He is a rather shy guy, although it gets better now he is growing older, and when he says something he generally means it.
He won two championships with Renault and although he liked being there he wanted to see and feel more. He mentioned Ferrari now and then, but that was Schumacher territory those days so a no go area for him.
McLaren was a mistake, a big mistake. It was not Lewis' fault that it all went wrong there, Fernando did not fit in, Lewis or no Lewis.
Then the door of the greatest team ever (as said by Fernando many times before to his fans) opened for him.
The way he was welcomed there felt like a warm bath. Fernando can be completely himself at Ferrari and that's why he said that he would only leave to retire.
Fernando Alonso is not only a Ferrari driver, he is also a big and devoted Ferrari fan.
He feels that the only thing that is higher than being an F1 champion, is being a F1 champion in a Ferrari. That is what he wants.
Now I know that nothing in this life is guaranteed, but I would be very, very surprised if Fernando would ever drive for another team again.

[Stormsearcher]

If he wants to take his toys and leave he can as long as he takes his fans with him. I hope none of them let the door hit them in the behind on the way out.

Ferrari existed for decades without Fernando Alonso and will continue to do so without him. And they will again win championships whether he is there or not.

Rather unnecessary. No? And all this based on a speculation by none other than DC. That guy hates anyone who has fared better than him in F1, and that pretty much includes everyone.
I seriously think Alonso will end his career with Ferrari. If he is demanding that the car be made better, how is he wrong? Any driver wishing to win the WDC will say so. And having come so close in 2010 and 2012, it must be getting to him at some point.

[Fiondella]

Fernando has a contract until 2016, i always find it quite funny when people in forums take some rubbish article to 1. make up a story, 2. bash the driver in question + his fans (with both saying nothing actually) for the self made story, and 3. blaming said driver and his fans for self made story. Amazing.

I would politely suggest that DC knows a little bit more about the inner sanctum of F1 than you do. Who is Bashing? I take it you're generalising? Kimi had a contract drive for SF in 2010. Contracts get broken all the time, but I am not suggesting that this true in Nando's case.

[Curbs]

So questioning Massas results is attacking him? I asked if someone could highlight his contributions to the team in the LAST 4 years. Then a thread gets started with not a single race achivement. Ferrari broke his gearbox seal. Wow, what a sacrifice. It wasn´t like he was fighting for the championship. He hasn´t been near that form since 2008.
Ha has more spins and crashes this year alone than his fans manage to find his highlights in the last 4 years. And the talk about support. How much time does he need. What other driver has enjoyed ALL THE TIME Felipe has already been given to prove himself?
I think any other driver on the grid would do the job better than Felipe. Our car isn´t as bad as his results. Enough is enough. And yes, if Fernando leaves I guess I would support his replacement and still want Massa to leave as badly as I have wanted it since Germany 2010.
A loyal teamplayer doesn´t act like Massa did back then. Period.

[chandran2313]

So questioning Massas results is attacking him? I asked if someone could highlight his contributions to the team in the LAST 4 years. Then a thread gets started with not a single race achivement. Ferrari broke his gearbox seal. Wow, what a sacrifice. It wasn´t like he was fighting for the championship. He hasn´t been near that form since 2008.
Ha has more spins and crashes this year alone than his fans manage to find his highlights in the last 4 years. And the talk about support. How much time does he need. What other driver has enjoyed ALL THE TIME Felipe has already been given to prove himself?
I think any other driver on the grid would do the job better than Felipe. Our car isn´t as bad as his results. Enough is enough. And yes, if Fernando leaves I guess I would support his replacement and still want Massa to leave as badly as I have wanted it since Germany 2010.
A loyal teamplayer doesn´t act like Massa did back then. Period.

[aroutis]

There is nowhere he can go to. Apart from that, as others have mentioned, all other teams are no go. So where ?

[chandran2313]

I agree with you!!!

I would like to see Hulkenberg or Bianchi

So questioning Massas results is attacking him? I asked if someone could highlight his contributions to the team in the LAST 4 years. Then a thread gets started with not a single race achivement. Ferrari broke his gearbox seal. Wow, what a sacrifice. It wasn´t like he was fighting for the championship. He hasn´t been near that form since 2008.
Ha has more spins and crashes this year alone than his fans manage to find his highlights in the last 4 years. And the talk about support. How much time does he need. What other driver has enjoyed ALL THE TIME Felipe has already been given to prove himself?
I think any other driver on the grid would do the job better than Felipe. Our car isn´t as bad as his results. Enough is enough. And yes, if Fernando leaves I guess I would support his replacement and still want Massa to leave as badly as I have wanted it since Germany 2010.
A loyal teamplayer doesn´t act like Massa did back then. Period.

[Hermann]

I would politely suggest that DC knows a little bit more about the inner sanctum of F1 than you do. Who is Bashing? I take it you're generalising? Kimi had a contract drive for SF in 2010. Contracts get broken all the time, but I am not suggesting that this true in Nando's case.

Maybe i'm generalizing a bit, but i was referring to this:

If he wants to take his toys and leave he can as long as he takes his fans with him. I hope none of them let the door hit them in the behind on the way out.

Ferrari existed for decades without Fernando Alonso and will continue to do so without him. And they will again win championships whether he is there or not.

which i found rather agressive (and uncalled for) which is based on nothing but speculation.

[ManFromMilan]

Maybe i'm generalizing a bit, but i was referring to this:



which i found rather agressive (and uncalled for) which is based on nothing but speculation.

Well said Hermann.

Alonso is now bashed for fans comments, he obviously did not choose and for whom he is not responsible.

This respect thing i hear of must work both ways

[Giambattista]

Fernando is too young to leave F1 as he always stated that Ferrari is the LAST team he will race for. It is the stupidest speculation/thread/poll on this forum. No offence.

[Hornet]

I would politely suggest that DC knows a little bit more about the inner sanctum of F1 than you do. Who is Bashing? I take it you're generalising? Kimi had a contract drive for SF in 2010. Contracts get broken all the time, but I am not suggesting that this true in Nando's case.

You're right, DC as a former driver himself tend to know more especially from a driver's perspective. However I'd caution that since he's now part of the media, they tend to make everything more dramatic than it really is. Sky has many former driver doing their media presentation now, and sometimes they still act like a bunch of clowns

[shamim179]

I wouldnt say it is without substance. Argument with fry last year it doesn't have to be a heated argument where they throw stuff at each other. Luca saying he hopes Alonso will honour his contract why even say this? Stefano eyeing up Vettel. Alonso early part of this year saying we must develop the car and not stop early to focus on 2014. Despite what some members say it would be very damaging if Alonso leaves because he has fallen out with us. I sincerely hope that it doesn't happen but if we keep bringing downgrades eventually he will lose patience any driver would. Not all drivers are in it for the money or the prestige that Ferrari brings some just want to win.

[FA fan]

Some Ferrarifans here still know very little about Fernando Alonso it seems. In the past Fernando was even disliked by a lot of people because of his so-called "arrogance" . The truth is that he never was arrogant at all, but always said the truth, at least what he felt as being the truth. He is a rather shy guy, although it gets better now he is growing older, and when he says something he generally means it.
He won two championships with Renault and although he liked being there he wanted to see and feel more. He mentioned Ferrari now and then, but that was Schumacher territory those days so a no go area for him.
McLaren was a mistake, a big mistake. It was not Lewis' fault that it all went wrong there, Fernando did not fit in, Lewis or no Lewis.
Then the door of the greatest team ever (as said by Fernando many times before to his fans) opened for him.
The way he was welcomed there felt like a warm bath. Fernando can be completely himself at Ferrari and that's why he said that he would only leave to retire.
Fernando Alonso is not only a Ferrari driver, he is also a big and devoted Ferrari fan.
He feels that the only thing that is higher than being an F1 champion, is being a F1 champion in a Ferrari. That is what he wants.
Now I know that nothing in this life is guaranteed, but I would be very, very surprised if Fernando would ever drive for another team again.

[Suzie]

According to DC:

'Alonso is normally so positive about his chances, but his post-race comments were revealing. He said: "They need to do something and they need to do it now." That's as close to banging the table as you get. '

Banging the table?

Doesn't he mean 'kicking the bin'?

*runs away*

[Tony]

Maybe i'm generalizing a bit, but i was referring to this:



which i found rather agressive (and uncalled for) which is based on nothing but speculation.

I fail to see what the problem is with that statement, I am not sure why some don't understand that this is a Ferrari fan forum. If you (and I mean all members that fall within this category and not specifically you) are a fan of Alonso while he drives for Ferrari you are most certainly welcome here, however if you are simply going to bash the team over and over again (and subsequently leave when he stops driving for Ferrari) then people will get annoyed reading that and will make valid comments such as the one Redarmy made.

All of us know Ferrari is struggling right now, none of us can do anything about it really (short of changing your preferred teams), so what's the point of bashing the team over and over again?

[REDARMYSOJA]

Rather unnecessary. No?

This post I made, which seems to have caused such consternation...

If he wants to take his toys and leave he can as long as he takes his fans with him. I hope none of them let the door hit them in the behind on the way out.

Ferrari existed for decades without Fernando Alonso and will continue to do so without him. And they will again win championships whether he is there or not.

...was aimed strictly at Fernando only fans who constantly bash the team and suggest Fernando should go elsewhere because Ferrari is so pathetic. No one else.

If someone feels it is aimed at them, it probably is and that's their own guilt showing. If you haven't been bashing the team then it's not about you.

And anyone who reads my posts will know I have nothing but the utmost respect For Fernando and wouldn't trade him for any other driver out there, not even two or three of them.

[Alonsomaniac]

I fail to see what the problem is with that statement, I am not sure why some don't understand that this is a Ferrari fan forum.

Well, I do have a problem with that statement, I'm not sure why some don't understand that an Alonsofan can also be a Ferrarifan.

[REDARMYSOJA]

Well, I do have a problem with that statement, I'm not sure why some don't understand that an Alonsofan can also be a Ferrarifan.

Who said they can't? Read my last post.

I guarantee whoever is upset about my original post isn't near as upset as I am about some of the things I have been reading here about Ferrari.

[Alonsomaniac]

@ REDARMYSOJA : I see now that I posted my reaction exactly simultaniously with your explanation. Your explanation is clear, accepted and makes my reaction unneccesary.

[REDARMYSOJA]

@ REDARMYSOJA : I see now that I posted my reaction exactly simultaniously with your explanation. Your explanation is clear, accepted and makes my reaction unneccesary.

For what it's worth, you certainly weren't one of the people I aimed that at, I have the utmost respect for you, and many other Alonso fans. I will say to all who don't bash the team I am sorry if you were offended, you were not the ones I was intending to offend.

[Alonsomaniac]

You can't be any clearer ....yep, I'm still an Alonsofan, been that since his Minardi time, but he now took me to a place I won't leave again, even when he retires.