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***** Norris races too?
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
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Well, I recall some Alonso fan suggesting that Kimi can only speak two sentences in line.Originally Posted by Rishu
Don't remember who, I think it was Mr. Einstein.
P.S. I don't hate Fernando, I hate the ignorant Spanish media. Mr. Lobato on top.
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At least I try, you keep bringing up the bad stuff
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According to Mark Webber True Ferrari Tifosi will have to put up with all this till the end of 2015!!
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/3...d-for-ferrari/
And then the Vettelbots will take over...........
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I can see Vettel being Luca's end game. It's just a matter of waiting for the right time and situation.
To be honest, I think Massa is actually the one to push Alonso's qualifying. Qualifying seems to be Massa's strength while Kimi hardly shine against Roman in qualifying. In fact I think Kimi himself admitted in a previous race after a podium finish saying he often "made life difficult on Saturday" which hampers his chances on Sunday.
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I think the issues some top drivers like Alonso and Kimi have with qualifying is related to tyre temperatures. IIRC both were fast qualifiers when they used to have special qualifying tyres. Anyway, with both drivers being similar in that respect may be the team can engineer some solutions in to the car which might improve the situation.
To be honest, I think Massa is actually the one to push Alonso's qualifying. Qualifying seems to be Massa's strength while Kimi hardly shine against Roman in qualifying. In fact I think Kimi himself admitted in a previous race after a podium finish saying he often "made life difficult on Saturday" which hampers his chances on Sunday.
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Can we please stop with all the silly name calling. I know he doesnt drive for us, but its respect.According to Mark Webber True Ferrari Tifosi will have to put up with all this till the end of 2015!!
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/3...d-for-ferrari/
And then the Vettelbots will take over...........
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In other words you will hate me even more when my "favorite" driver stops at Ferrari :)Kimi is not here, we can mock him all we like really, he is as much to do with Ferrari today as Vettel or Lewis is try and be open minded about that
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No I don't see it, and wonder why this can not be a happy thread. Kimi did do a good job for us, one year massa was stronger but what does that say? Does it matter if Kimi got his apology or if he left with a lot of money ? Perhaps he sleeps with his socks on.
Ferrari has a contract with the kid so live with it or try. I do understand it can be hard. I can just look at my self
Avanti Fer, Avanti !
Again, I have no problem with Kimi driving for Ferrari, so it's not hard for me like you who just can't stand Alonso.No I don't see it, and wonder why this can not be a happy thread. Kimi did do a good job for us, one year massa was stronger but what does that say? Does it matter if Kimi got his apology or if he left with a lot of money ? Perhaps he sleeps with his socks on.
Ferrari has a contract with the kid so live with it or try. I do understand it can be hard. I can just look at my self
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http://f1head.wordpress.com/qualifyi...ad-comparison/
To be honest, I think Massa is actually the one to push Alonso's qualifying. Qualifying seems to be Massa's strength while Kimi hardly shine against Roman in qualifying. In fact I think Kimi himself admitted in a previous race after a podium finish saying he often "made life difficult on Saturday" which hampers his chances on Sunday.
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Lets not spoil good tirade with facts...
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Got the 2012 facts?
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Kimi 11 (average grid position 6.8) - Romain 9 (average grid position 9.3)
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Ok so perhaps I wasn't accurate about his relative qualifying pace to Roman. However Kimi himself did admit that his qualifying often make it difficult for their chances in the race. You can probably find an interview or the podium speech somewhere, where he said he often "make life difficult" (his own words) on Satuday which affect their race.
My point was he's not that strong qualifier that the article is making him out to be. Massa is already pushing Alonso when it comes to qualifying, yet people act as if Massa isn't pushing Alonso at all and somehow Kimi will push Alonso to perform better. (Don't get me started on why people even think Alonso need pushing as if he isn't already trying his best.)
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I will take you at your word and feel welcome then :) It will be exciting to see what happens next season. Anyone here has a time machine? That way I also can skip the part next month when I have to pack and move to a new apartment.
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I believe they were RAI 11-9 GRO last year if you mean GRO and RAI. I remember GRO leading 7-1 in the beginning but Kimi has gotten better consistantly and beat GRO the last 5 races 2012, continuing the trend this year. So after after being down 7-1 efter 8 races into his comeback RAI was 10-2 in the rest of the season, leading 20-4 in the next 24 races and 18-2 in the past 20.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/statistic...alifying-data/
So yes, he wasn't beating GRO in the beginning of his comeback if that was your point.
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How much do today's cars/tyres affect qualifying results? It's old stuff but back in the McLaren days for example KR qualified well or at least better than today.
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I'd say considerably a lot.
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Apparently because he's being consistent, very fast and he scores points ever since his return to F1.Why did Ferrari rehire Kimi remains a mystery to me, but I guess in time we will find out. I do not doubt that Luca and co. have the team's best interest in mind of course (I do not buy the idea that Luca is doing this to show Alonso who's the boss or any weird reasons like that). I'm sure he believed Kimi is the best among the available options to help the team get back to its winning ways. What Luca see in Kimi, or believe Kimi can offer, that is something that intrigues me and I want to know, though I understand that Luca may never fully reveal it to the public.
And apparently cause contrary to some may think, the WCC is really important to this team and we need two point scorers to get it.
Really, no mystery in this.
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
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Yes, I saw the article about Luca's long statement yesterday after posting that, and it answers the questions I had.
My point was never about how important the WCC is, it was about whether it was an upgrade in hiring Kimi, as I am one of them who sees that our biggest problem is not Massa, it's the car. What I did not understand was what advantage did Luca and co. saw in Kimi, or what problems did they saw in Massa.
I know everyone has a lot to say about this, but I wanted to know what does Luca himself thinks. I guess that article did answer them. With a little surprised added, being that it was Stefano who first advocated Kimi's return.
I do have some slightly different opinion, but of course for the team's sake I hope Stefano and Luca is right
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According to Mark Webber True Ferrari Tifosi will have to put up with all this till the end of 2015!!
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/3...d-for-ferrari/
And then the Vettelbots will take over...........ei ei ei ei ... sometime I wonder what I did wrong to deserve this?
If it comes that way I would appreciate destiny going that way
- Alonso follows Stefano as team principal
- Vettel Comes to Ferrari
- Alonso leads young Scuderia Academy Driver to Championship 2016
"If I was driving for Red Bull [from 2008] probably I would have more championships, but because they were dominating between 2010 and 2014 probably I would never have driven for Ferrari. I am very happy and very proud to drive for Ferrari, all my time there.
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Heh, well I think we'll cope just fine. I remember when Schumi was driving for us, many people could not imagine Alonso driving for us. Naturally, many dislike him as he was our competitor, took 2 WDC from us. But today, we cannot imagine who can replace Alonso in Ferrari. Sure there are still haters out there, but most Ferrari fans today support Alonso
Of course Alonso wasn't booed as much as Vettel, so we'll just have more haters if Vettel joins Ferrari. But I'd imagine we the Ferrari fans will eventually support him.
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Don't gerenalise; there are plenty of ignorant journalists in every country, and I have to say that while Lobato is undoubtedly biased I have seen much less respect towards non-supported drivers in other media, starting with the BBC and the inefable EJ.Well, I recall some Alonso fan suggesting that Kimi can only speak two sentences in line.
Don't remember who, I think it was Mr. Einstein.
P.S. I don't hate Fernando, I hate the ignorant Spanish media. Mr. Lobato on top.
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Unfortunately that doesn't work for me.
You won't teach a cat to become a swimmer and a lion won't become a vegetarian
If this day is really coming, I will have to look how to deal with it: equal to a mother who loves her son but not her daughter in law. Somehow she would have to respect the choice the son made ... or ...
Of course Ferrari is bigger as the driver (especially for the Tifosi) but as a matter of fact: the driver is part of the team ...
but now enough: let's enjoy the days without Vettel (for my side) at Ferrari. And who knows: the future is (nearly*) unwritten
*)except pre-contracts
"If I was driving for Red Bull [from 2008] probably I would have more championships, but because they were dominating between 2010 and 2014 probably I would never have driven for Ferrari. I am very happy and very proud to drive for Ferrari, all my time there.
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I didn't. I just hate the ignorant part, not all.
BTW I was thinking that it's kind of pity that Spain at the moment has no great ex-drivers as commentarist. We may or may not like what guys like Lauda and Schumacher say nowadays, they may have grudges and hidden agendas behind themselves, but at least they KNOW what they talk about because they have been there. In Spain who do you have? Lobato? Marc Gene? Alguersauri or what-sama-call-him? Maybe in 15 - 20 years when Alonso will be a commentator it gets better, but you need a lot of patience.
P.S. I don't follow BBC
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Better don't watch RTL then. The level of ignorance is unbearable. And Lauda- you might enjoy his constant bashing of Fernando and hyping up the german drivers and teams, but i for my part don't.I didn't. I just hate the ignorant part, not all.
BTW I was thinking that it's kind of pity that Spain at the moment has no great ex-drivers as commentarist. We may or may not like what guys like Lauda and Schumacher say nowadays, they may have grudges and hidden agendas behind themselves, but at least they KNOW what they talk about because they have been there. In Spain who do you have? Lobato? Marc Gene? Alguersauri or what-sama-call-him? Maybe in 15 - 20 years when Alonso will be a commentator it gets better, but you need a lot of patience.
P.S. I don't follow BBC
I like Lobato. He used to make great interviews with Fernando back in the Renault times. There are much worse people around.
Eta: Obviously there are no real 'unbiased' commentators or TV stations out there, so when i have enough of the commies i mute them- or switch to a russian stream
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It's bad enough waving goodbye to Felipe at the end of this season without the Vettel to Ferrari debate being discussed again. If it happens sometime in the future, I'll have to run with it, but I'm not ready for any more nasty surprises just yet.Heh, well I think we'll cope just fine. I remember when Schumi was driving for us, many people could not imagine Alonso driving for us. Naturally, many dislike him as he was our competitor, took 2 WDC from us. But today, we cannot imagine who can replace Alonso in Ferrari. Sure there are still haters out there, but most Ferrari fans today support Alonso
Of course Alonso wasn't booed as much as Vettel, so we'll just have more haters if Vettel joins Ferrari. But I'd imagine we the Ferrari fans will eventually support him.
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Q: you finally made a big decision. have you relieved?
Kimi: No, nothing has changed of my feeling. it's not such a difficult decision. I know the team well, so do people.
Q: Will Ferrari be a comfortable place to you?
Kimi: I already feel it comfortable. there is no reason to deny it. when I met core people of the team, they all welcomed me home from bottom of their heart. I know what I can gain in Ferrari. I also know how they work. Those were main things to help me to make my decision. What made me happy was that the racing team staffs are also happy to hear I will be back. We fought with not so competitive car in 2009, but still we had some good results and even won once. At last, I left team with good feeling.
Q: what is the feeling like to be Ferrari driver again?
Kimi: it's totally different than to go to new team. I don't have any special bad memory either. When I look back the past and think there might be different way to do few things, but all the racing team is like that. We have big change in technical regulation. It's very important to be in the big team like Ferrari in such period. We will be stepping into a new era. This change will be the biggest change since I've raced in F1. And I can feel the passion that Ferrari wants to fight back for WDC/WCC. They are away from it recent years.
Q: when you moved to Ferrari in 2006, you said Ferrari would be your last team. will it be your last team this time?
Kimi: it's highly possible although none can predict such things correctly. but at this point, I don't think I will make contract with another team in future, and I think it's not going to change whatever happens. It is because of my age.
Q: you are going to be 34 on October. You will be the oldest driver on the grid next year.
Kimi: the oldest driver…sounds not good. (wry smile)
Q: if you continued with Ferrari in 2010, would it be your last season in F1?
Kimi: can't say. but if we say it, 09 would be possible. I was away from F1 and did WRC for a while. later, I started wanting to race again to fight for the tittle. The biggest reason that I made contract with Lotus was that. at that point, none believed we could fight for the title. but we did pretty good fight last year, and not bad this year too. but you will lose to win the championship if you done 2-3 bad races. I leave Lotus due to financial issue, but I appreciate them to give me an opportunity to come back to F1 from bottom of my heart. Ferrari has more huge resources and technical ability to provide such a good car and an engine. Of course nobody knows which team will understand the point of new regulation accurately. but it's a good thing to be in top team who has good budget scale in such period.
Q: James Allison and Dirk de Beer have moved to Ferrari.
Kimi: they could be a bit of my advantage. they are wonderful engineers to make a good car, and it's good for the team.
Q: then, are you able to beat Alonso?
Kimi: the time will tell. by pushing very hard each other, the team's result will definitely be improved.
Q: will he be your toughest teammate in your career?
Kimi: Even if he is, nothing will change my race. this is my first experience to ride the same car with Fernando. As a team, we are aiming a big target. from that effort, I don't think we'll have a problem. we are old enough, so even if there is something happen, we can calmly solve it. I think others who are not in the team are just worried about it. the story that our relationship will get worse is creating by people who have no experience to work in a racing team. Fernando and I have to work well as much as possible. As a result, we will see which one will do better. the biggest job of the team is to provide a fast car for us. From there, we drivers work to make the car competitive.
Q: do you have equal condition with Alonso?
Kimi: As far as I understand, yes.
Q: what do you think about political side of Alonso?
Kimi: I have no interest about political things, and I do not know how others are doing.
Q: what do you think of Alonso?
Kimi: He won WDC twice and very superior driver. I only know him on the circuit. I believe working together to improve the car will be good for both of us.
Japanese Paper Magazine on October, 2013 Translated by luviceman
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