2012 Abu Dhabi GP: Qualifying Thread

[SoumyaBanerjee]

The updates clearly work. Dunno why people are blaming the team,
it's obvious Alonso didn't deliver in qualifying again

Either that,or has someone here has said,FA struggles with warming up the tyres,in quali especially.

[jocaranz]

The updates clearly work. Dunno why people are blaming the team,
it's obvious Alonso didn't deliver in qualifying again

Then maybe you are thinking we need to find a better driver?

[FerrariFanBoii]

Vettel 24th is hopefull, he may still get points from there though, so in theory, Fernando needs to get a podium, his lead back and he'll have the momentum to go on and win it!

[bonzo]

What is the rule for failure to bring the car back to the pits?

[varun]

even if no penalty is given red bull cannot change their cars setup or anything in it as they are in parc ferme??
or can they make changes??
if they cant maybe then the cow's car can stall in the Race!!!

[anuragiyer8989]

Vettel 24th is hopefull, he may still get points from there though, so in theory, Fernando needs to get a podium, his lead back and he'll have the momentum to go on and win it!

how is vettel 24th hopeful?

[F2008]

Speed trap

Maldonado 325.8
Massa 320.0
Alonso 319.7
Raikkonen 314.5
Hamilton 313.7
Button 313.5
Vettel 311.4
Webber 311.2

[Hornet]

What is the rule for failure to bring the car back to the pits?

You can stop the car halfway, but you must still have enough fuel to bring the car back in normal condition. If the car does not have enough fuel to actually return to pit, then a penalty will be given

even if no penalty is given red bull cannot change their cars setup or anything in it as they are in parc ferme??
or can they make changes??
if they cant maybe then the cow's car can stall in the Race!!!

Not setup change, but if they can prove something is broken, they can fix it. Ferrari did with Alonso roll bar in Monza (thankfully ) But the stewards will make sure the broken part is replace with the exact same thing, no setup is changed, and the stewards will take the broken part.

[Rishu]

Speed trap

Maldonado 325.8
Massa 320.0
Alonso 319.7
Raikkonen 314.5
Hamilton 313.7
Button 313.5
Vettel 311.4
Webber 311.2

Alonso can take Kimi via DRS, McDonalds hopefully takes out Vettel along with himself


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[FerrariFanBoii]

how is vettel 24th hopeful?

He stopped the car.. Didn't make it back to the pits, so he could get a penalty, well he should do!

[Nathan]

Well, Alonso said that he did the maximum. Upgrades = Downgrades?

[FerrariFanBoii]

Alonso can take Kimi via DRS, McDonalds hopefully takes out Vettel along with himself


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Or if Vettel starts 24th :D

[zike]

You can stop the car halfway, but you must still have enough fuel to bring the car back in normal condition. If the car does not have enough fuel to actually return to pit, then a penalty will be given



Not setup change, but if they can prove something is broken, they can fix it. Ferrari did with Alonso roll bar in Monza (thankfully ) But the stewards will make sure the broken part is replace with the exact same thing, no setup is changed, and the stewards will take the broken part.

But if they change the gearbox than it is a penalty

[fadyferrari]

ted just said that even if its an engine problem,they can change the engine in parc ferme without getting a penalty!!

but cant use that new engine ever again!

this is so so stupid!!!!!

[SoumyaBanerjee]

He stopped the car.. Didn't make it back to the pits, so he could get a penalty, well he should do!

Mate,kindly note that you are penalised under such circumstances ONLY IF he cant provide a fuel sample...

[Hornet]

But if they change the gearbox than it is a penalty

Yes, of course the engine rule and gearbox rule still applies.

If they need an extra engine, or new gearbox, then off he goes down the grid

[Agron]

The updates clearly work. Dunno why people are blaming the team,
it's obvious Alonso didn't deliver in qualifying again

Or, you know, maybe there's not enough blanket to cover everything, so he either setups his car to be fast in qualy and slow in races, or faster in race and slower in qualy, either way his feet are going to get cold no matter what he chooses.
Not saying it's a bad car, just that red bull and mclaren are better, and he has to sacrifice things to make sure he can compete on Sundays.

BTW, if he didn't deliver how is it that he is almost always faster than Massa both in qualy and in the race? or are we back to the theories that Massa is worthless and no yardstick (even though he just got a contract extension over highly valued youngsters)?

[Red_Diamond]

What evidence do you have to support that?

Its not showing in the lap times, and the team have been playing a game of mix and match all weekend long.

you're not looking hard enough. From Q1 to Q2 he improved by 0.4, if he had done the same
for Q3, he would comfortably be in P4. Alonso and Grosjean were the only ones not to
improve in Q3.

[Dino]

Not enough fuel in Vettel's car latest rumour ...............penalty.

[varun]

Yes, of course the engine rule and gearbox rule still applies.

If they need an extra engine, or new gearbox, then off he goes down the grid

anyone knows Vettel on which engine (8th?)

[EL_NANDO]

ted just said that even if its an engine problem,they can change the engine in parc ferme without getting a penalty!!

but cant use that new engine ever again!

this is so so stupid!!!!!

Surely you can't change the engine between qualifying and the race without a penalty?

[albert]

Alonso did 3 laps in qualifying all within a tenth of 41.5. That was clearly the limit which does not say a lot about the upgrades.

[da_one]

Well, Alonso said that he did the maximum. Upgrades = Downgrades?

His Q2 time is better than his Q3 time. More rubber on track, faster time. I don't think he did his maximum. Or he did, but made a mistake. Well we can't do anything about it now. Let's just hope for a better race result tomorrow!

[bonzo]

Not enough fuel in Vettel's car latest rumour ...............penalty.

For the same case in Barcelona Hamster was DQed and started 24th.

[Red_Diamond]

Or, you know, maybe there's not enough blanket to cover everything, so he either setups his car to be fast in qualy and slow in races, or faster in race and slower in qualy, either way his feet are going to get cold no matter what he chooses.
Not saying it's a bad car, just that red bull and mclaren are better, and he has to sacrifice things to make sure he can compete on Sundays.

BTW, if he didn't deliver how is it that he is almost always faster than Massa both in qualy and in the race? or are we back to the theories that Massa is worthless and no yardstick (even though he just got a contract extension over highly valued youngsters)?

In case you didn't notice, Alonso had all of the new updates, Felipe only a couple of them.

Alonso made a mistake in Q3,If Ferrari are all talk what about him? He didn't
do the maximum, he should shut up and drive rather
than talk drivel.

[anuragiyer8989]

Surely you can't change the engine between qualifying and the race without a penalty?

yeah, thr has to be a penalty for any change between quali and race unless it's a broken part......

[diesel08]

ted just said that even if its an engine problem,they can change the engine in parc ferme without getting a penalty!!

but cant use that new engine ever again!

this is so so stupid!!!!!

Red Bull-Vettel is on 8 engine!If is a engine failure he get a grid penalty.

[Hornet]

you're not looking hard enough. From Q1 to Q2 he improved by 0.4, if he had done the same
for Q3, he would comfortably be in P4. Alonso and Grosjean were the only ones not to
improve in Q3.

You did not take into account the fact that the tires were warmed up in Q2 due to multiple runs. This is the exact same pattern we saw throughout free practice. People were setting faster time lap after lap. Ferrari had no problem when we are doing this too.

Our problem comes when we need to bring the tires up to temperature in less than 1 lap. This is our weakness, and its not the first time. Last year they introduced changes to the rear suspension just to allow the tires to slide around more a little bit in an attempt to warm it up faster.

[diesel08]

In case you didn't notice, Alonso had all of the new updates, Felipe only a couple of them.

Alonso made a mistake in Q3,If Ferrari are all talk what about him? He didn't
do the maximum, he should shut up and drive rather
than talk drivel.

Ferrari is in title contest ONLY because ALONSO!Please remember what car dog is F2012 in the begining of seson!

[scuderiafan]

ted just said that even if its an engine problem,they can change the engine in parc ferme without getting a penalty!!

but cant use that new engine ever again!

this is so so stupid!!!!!

No, I think any engine change after the weekend has started while the car is in parc ferme would mean starting from put lane or a 10 place grid drop.

If they had to change engine they really shouldn't get away with it.