Car looks really difficult to drive (especially compared to the Red Bulls in front of Alonso).
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Car looks really difficult to drive (especially compared to the Red Bulls in front of Alonso).
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Have a look at the Merc and RB on boards. Our PU is easily the most difficult to use. Looks like they are driving in the wet with the amount of correction Alonso is doing on corner exit. Shocking!
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From that video it looks like the Ferrari is struggling for balance. The car seems to understeer into the corners and then getting snap oversteer on the exit of corners. The car was heavy on fuel though at that point. Around lap 47/48 Fernando set the fastest lap of the race at the time which indicates we do have some raw speed in that car but Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. The Mercedes engine seems a beast, it's even fast in the Force India and the Williams and the fuel consumption compared to their speed was excellent.. The Red Bull/Renault seemed pretty thirsty on fuel to keep up the pace and Ferrari's wasn't too great either
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how the hell we managed to build such a tenk that is such a difficult to drive? Jesus. Even Caterham is easier to drive
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The car is very difficult to drive, which can be seen well from the video. Alonso works wonders with this car. It can be seen that the ferrari major problems with the acceleration of the twists and torque control of the motor. Therefore, they have even greater problems in the wet. Currently, Ferrari has big problems with balanced car, which illustrates the great weight of the car with a full tank of fuel. Control of torque at acceleration, lack of power PU, PU unit weight, problems with energy recovery system. I do not know but I have a bad feeling that 2014 season will be something like 2009, and that ferrari with such leadership and policy passes back to 90 years, where they fought somewhere in the golden middle. I think Alonso deserves a better car and it will be left in the season 2015 ferrari unless the team does not change something drastic. I'm not a pessimist just such a reality.
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I've not seen an on board in detail but if it is understerring in and oversteering on exit it ties in with Kimi interview alluding to updates for front end (I think he said this) and engine mapping rumours to deliver power better.Originally Posted by Cheeseman
Could Ferrari be the only top team not running a monkey seat as not enough downforce at the front? Issues on exit I hope are down to needing better mapping of power delivery. Alonso said they need more traction. Last year starts were great but still had traction issues which makes me think it is not the same traction issues as previous years but how the power is delivered. Kimi crashed under power in 3rd pre season test and Australia quali on corner exit under power.
Will be interesting to see front end developments but cannot see rear end as may possibly be software updates. A telling sign they have got balance better will be when they have a monkey seat as will mean thwy have more aero on the front to balance this part but monkey seat does not bring huge amounts of time gain on its own.
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Ferrari F14 T is not sufficiently balanced at the exits of turns, there are red wasting precious tenths of a second of time compared with detractors. "It's no secret that the fastest team on the track Mercedes. Yet the gap to Red Bull us very worried," recalled 32-year-old. Alonso, of course, hopes to be able to Ferrari as soon as possible picks, otherwise it will be lost yet another World Cup season.
One of the statements Alosa after the Malaysian Grand Prix.
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I don't know what is Stefano Domenicali's calculation based on but comparing lap to lap times we are 0.5 slower than RedBull and 1.2 to 1.5 slower than Mercedes. It is obvious.
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All cars are difficult to drive. We need some onboards from other cars to compare it. Remember, the cars won't go on rails this year.
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Last edited by Majki2111; 31st March 2014 at 10:08.
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Huge huge gap between the ride of Ferrari and Mercedes.
We have loads of understeer and then snap oversteer.!
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Ferrari driver is doing bodybuilding while driving. Our car is multipurpose. I think there is a switch on the steering wheel to on/off bodybuilding mode.
And of course forza Ferrari.
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Haha. I do think all problems we have are consequence of bad PU. Aerodynamic is good I think. Is there onboard race sowhere?
FORZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rosberg changes gear at about 12500rpm compared to Kimi at 11500rpm. Big difference there.. Ferrari seems rarely going over 12000rpms.
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Where we go again No update in Barhain, first update will be in europe(barcelona)how is possible to not have an update before that?It s like deja vu ....update doesn t work....we are gonna improve in silverstone ,...same problem...singapore...again and again...with Kimi and fernando behind this crap it will be like a war in ferrari garage...They gonna feel very very angry with this fiasco.
But we need to stay calm , the season is long and we are focusing on reability...blablabla
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I don't know but it's sad, we have budget, facility, drivers, and Scuderia cannot live in the past, they need the future. In the sport all that count is perfomance and wins.
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The good side of all this is that with such a mess of a car we are still the 3rd fastest car on the grid,huge development potential on a very unripe car,we will see
"Sebastian,Daniel is Faster Than you"
"Tough Luck!"
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56 lap race finished 35 second behind Hamilton if gap was 1 second plus would have finished 56 seconds behind.
56 laps 10 seconds behind Vettel, if 0.5 seconds a lap would finish 28 seconds behind.
Last race 34 second down to Rosberg but across 39 laps after safety car. This race 19 second down across 56 laps so a gain of 0.5 a lap on Rosberg from last race.
We should not let positive improvements factually indicated of official timing get in the way of moaning though.
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Whats really annoying is that it seems everyone is bringing updates and the same old story off "it will be pretty much the same spec" is very frustrating!
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On a lighter note,i wonder how Codemaster's will develop such wierd sounds of the engine and poor handling!
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They will probably just tell you to put the hoover on while playing! or use it to develop their sound hahaOn a lighter note,i wonder how Codemaster's will develop such wierd sounds of the engine and poor handling!
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Yes it's very concerning. We are not moving quickly enough. If we wait until China or Spain the gap is only going to grow bigger between us and Mercedes and Red Bull. If we're not careful we run a real risk of becoming the 5th fastest team. We really need to pull ourselves from this position fast.
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But it must be said, which I posted earlier, Raikonen did say they had some specific parts for him, whether performance related or not I don't know, or aero or mechanical, he did mention "one part"...who knows, never one to jump on the Stefano out hype or critique him but my god we need someone ruthless to kick us into action! It seems to me that Luca is adamant to be wright with Stefano and if he changes he is admitting he is wrong, who knows, thank god its only a week!
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hahah
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Is it fair too say we are 6/7 tenths behind merc and probably 2 tenths off red bull?
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Yeah 0.6 behind Hamilton. 0.35 behind Rosberg. 0.2 behind Vettel but this is on a track which needs good aero henc McLaren and Williams were rubbish. Next race engine will play bigger part so these teams will be right on Ferrari if nothing changes.
Just finish and get as many points as possible but there is a lot of scope to develop and Ferrari need to develop as much as possible as you cannot contemplate future cars without a well developed understanding of the current rules. I am hoping for a 2012 Malaysian GP fluke win either Bharain or China to keep Ferrari going.
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And that was fresh rubber. Unfortunately everything seems to be related to the PU. Improper torque delivery and overall lack of HP. Torque delivery may be fixable during the season. HP is unlikely. This season is Merc's show.
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NEWS IN FROM JAMES ALLINSON:
Following a mixed performance in Malaysia, Ferrari Technical Director, James Allison, insists that the team is pulling out all the stops in its efforts to catch Mercedes.
With the third round of the season just days away, Ferrari is unlikely to make any inroad to Mercedes advantage in Bahrain, but Allison insists that work continues on all fronts.
"We are working in a constant way and with the highest levels of dedication in all the areas of potential development," he said. "We brought a useful upgrade to the Malaysian GP and were duly rewarded with a more competitive performance than at the first race, but the whole team is in no doubt about the size of the challenge that remains ahead of us this season.
"We are not disregarding anything," he continued. "Much has been spoken about the new power units on the 2014 cars, but it is rarely mentioned that 1% of engine power is not so different in its effect on the stopwatch as 1% of aero efficiency.
"Our development programme will keep delivering steps to the efficiency of the F14-T; aero, power unit, mechanical grip - race by race these steps will help to hunt down those in front.
"If we can keep up the progress that we made between Melbourne and Malaysia then it will start to tell in both in grid positions and in the Championship."
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I think our main problem is the PU. We got it badly wrong. During the previous era which was mostly to do with aerodynamics we didn't focus enough on that. And now that we're into a new era that has a lot to do with engines it seems we didn't focus enough on that. The fact that Stefano is shuffling the engine staff is a very bad sign. I just wonder if the construction of the new building and windtunnel has compromised our resources in any way whatsoever? Whatever it is something is really wrong and has been the case for a number of years. There should have been a thorough investigation as to why we are failing.
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That SD is shuffling the engine department means he recognizes the problem. If he wasn't reshuffling it would mean he thought things were OK.
Having watched the in-car video, it is clear that the PU sounds awful. What really struck me was that Kimi was all over the Caterham on braking and in the corner and then the Caterham just flew away on acceleration out of the corner. Kimi had to use the DRS just to stay even. Alonso commented that he could not pass in the DRS zones and was only able to pass in turn 2, which he indicated was not a very good thing. Both drivers were working their fannies off just trying to keep the car on the island. The car seems incapable of getting any power to the ground..
If there is a new part for the front end and the monkey seat comes back that will be telling. Ironically, I suspect that the problem with traction may be caused by a lack of front down force and that the monkey seat was removed to keep the car in balance. But that results in a lack of rear down force which is noticeable under acceleration.
Now if Ferrari could just get Merc, Macca and RBR to stop their development while the F14T catches up...
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