Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2014 - Race Thread

**F1Jan** · 23rd November 2014, 18:53

Originally Posted by stefa

And now the long wait for the new season to start....

I hate it when the season ends but on the plus side tomorrow I start the count down for the new season

**Greig** · 23rd November 2014, 18:55

Glad this season is over, shame it's the end of Fernando with Ferrari (for now). On to 2015 and I hope we have a rocket ship as we are going to need it with our driver line up.....

**DIEK** · 23rd November 2014, 18:57

**Hornet** · 23rd November 2014, 19:01

I think it's Alonso saying thanks to the team. Also glad to see everyone laughing and having a good time, they deserve it after a long season.

**pelinjr** · 23rd November 2014, 19:02

Originally Posted by vecchiasignora

vettel schools alonso.. as usual lol..

you sir , are nothing more than a TROLL

, and for a long time now I have been biting my tongue (fingers would probably be me more accurate)
Moderatore per favore, get rid of him..

**DIEK** · 23rd November 2014, 19:05

Originally Posted by Hornet

I think it's Alonso saying thanks to the team. Also glad to see everyone laughing and having a good time, they deserve it after a long season.

**stefa** · 23rd November 2014, 19:07

Originally Posted by DIEK

http://i.imgur.com/KkA9Oqj.png

Something is wrong with math in this table. This season had 19 not 20 races
www.formula1.com/races/calendar.html

**stefa** · 23rd November 2014, 19:08

Originally Posted by Greig

Glad this season is over, shame it's the end of Fernando with Ferrari (for now). On to 2015 and I hope we have a rocket ship as we are going to need it with our driver line up.....

Indeed...

**vecchiasignora** · 23rd November 2014, 19:10

well we still have the most team titles whether constructor or engine supplier.In the faces of mclaren, williams, mercedes and renault fans.
And we still have the most driver titles whether as constructor or engine supplier too.

we are still the best.

**Alonso14** · 23rd November 2014, 19:10

Originally Posted by stefa

Something is wrong with math in this table. This season had 19 not 20 races
www.formula1.com/races/calendar.html

Double points in Abu Dhabi so the counts it like 2 races

**FerrariF60** · 23rd November 2014, 19:13

Originally Posted by Greig

Glad this season is over, shame it's the end of Fernando with Ferrari (for now). On to 2015 and I hope we have a rocket ship as we are going to need it with our driver line up.....

ha, ha....couldn't have said it any better mate...with kimi that looks like he's sleeping most of the time while driving and with Pettel needing a super rocket, double blown diffuser, F-duct and various other gizmos that would make a car being glued and on rails on track...that is the ONLY way he'd WIN a championship for us in a Ferrari...

but then again taht is just my opinion, others may not thing the same as me...

and YES, Fernando will be missed and arguibly being one of the BEST drivers to extract everything out of a car that''s been given to him, even if it may not be as quick as the opposition's...

**stefa** · 23rd November 2014, 19:14

Originally Posted by Alonso14

Double points in Abu Dhabi so the counts it like 2 races

Forgot about that. Sorry my bad. Thou we collected just 3 (6)... Not too much, even dubled looks small.

**DIEK** · 23rd November 2014, 19:14

Comparative between Ferrari drivers & teammates of all times...

**FerrariF60** · 23rd November 2014, 19:15

Originally Posted by DIEK

http://i59.tinypic.com/oqkm1i.jpg

LOL, i guess Kimi is sleeping again...that is what he does best anyways, ON and OFF track....LMFAO

**Ed Harley** · 23rd November 2014, 19:16

So we need a rocket ship just for 2015 season? To me it looks like it was needed in 2014 too despite of the different drivers.

**stefa** · 23rd November 2014, 19:16

Originally Posted by vecchiasignora

well we still have the most team titles whether constructor or engine supplier.In the faces of mclaren, williams, mercedes and renault fans.
And we still have the most driver titles whether as constructor or engine supplier too.

we are still the best.

When you look at the statistis you are right. Thing is when was last time Ferrari won them...?

**stefa** · 23rd November 2014, 19:17

Originally Posted by Ed Harley

So we need a rocket ship just for 2015 season? To me it looks like it was needed in 2014 too despite of the different drivers.

Again indeed!

**Greig** · 23rd November 2014, 19:20

Originally Posted by Ed Harley

So we need a rocket ship just for 2015 season? To me it looks like it was needed in 2014 too despite of the different drivers.

Alonso would have won us titles with a car on par with our rivals, Kimi and Vettel are going to need a car advantage.

**stefa** · 23rd November 2014, 19:22

Originally Posted by Greig

Alonso would have won us titles with a car on par with our rivals, Kimi and Vettel are going to need a car advantage.

2010, 2012....

**Hornet** · 23rd November 2014, 19:22

Originally Posted by stefa

Again indeed!

Well the difference is, Alonso only needs a car that has the raw pace, even if it's unstable. For example, you can have powerful engine that gives great top speed and acceleration, but the aceleration may not be very smooth.

Vettel on the other hand seems to shine when the rear end of the car is very stable. Characteristic like blown diffuser and good engine mapping which was Red Bull's strength in past years played into his advantage. However, this year, all of those are gone. Red Bull car isn't that bad, just ask Ric. However, due to the lack of blown diffuser, and the high torque turbo PU, the rear of the car is more unstable than ever. A coincidence that Vettel struggled against his team mate with this new characteristic? I don't think so.

So for his sake, Ferrari would need to work hard on power delivery. Our power delivery hasn't been the best (in addition to the lack of raw power).

**Ed Harley** · 23rd November 2014, 19:22

IMHO a car on par with the rivals this season would be called a rocket ship.

**Greig** · 23rd November 2014, 19:25

Originally Posted by Ed Harley

IMHO a car on par with the rivals this season would be called a rocket ship.

A rocket ship would not be matched by a rival hence it being called as such, so no.

But the point remains, we will need a car advantage to win with Kimi or Seb.

**TonyRizza** · 23rd November 2014, 19:25

Originally Posted by vecchiasignora

well we still have the most team titles whether constructor or engine supplier.In the faces of mclaren, williams, mercedes and renault fans.
And we still have the most driver titles whether as constructor or engine supplier too.

we are still the best.

redbull dont have that and dont even make engines?
i hope your not pretending to be a ferrari fan

**Greig** · 23rd November 2014, 19:25

Originally Posted by stefa

2010, 2012....

Are you saying we had a car on par with RBR performance wise in those years? really......

**stefa** · 23rd November 2014, 19:26

Originally Posted by Hornet

Well the difference is, Alonso only needs a car that has the raw pace, even if it's unstable. For example, you can have powerful engine that gives great top speed and acceleration, but the aceleration may not be very smooth.

Vettel on the other hand seems to shine when the rear end of the car is very stable. Characteristic like blown diffuser and good engine mapping which was Red Bull's strength in past years played into his advantage. However, this year, all of those are gone. Red Bull car isn't that bad, just ask Ric. However, due to the lack of blown diffuser, and the high torque turbo PU, the rear of the car is more unstable than ever. A coincidence that Vettel struggled against his team mate with this new characteristic? I don't think so.

So for his sake, Ferrari would need to work hard on power delivery. Our power delivery hasn't been the best (in addition to the lack of raw power).

Agree with you that SV is to prove his 4 WDC in a less dominant car. In his first year of doing that he failed massively.

**stefa** · 23rd November 2014, 19:27

Originally Posted by Greig

Are you saying we had a car on par with RBR performance wise in those years? really......

NO! I just replied to your post that with so so car he fought like a lion and marrely got it.

**vecchiasignora** · 23rd November 2014, 19:27

Originally Posted by Greig

Alonso would have won us titles with a car on par with our rivals, Kimi and Vettel are going to need a car advantage.

Don't think so. I won't be surprised to see vettel/kimi next year in positions 5 - 6 ...
Where Alonso finished this year ( 6th).

I feel alonso was given certain more privileges inside our team then the one sitting besides him. We will see next year.

**Ed Harley** · 23rd November 2014, 19:29

Team only needs a a car which has decent handling and is responsive to setup changes. And a bit more power.

**diesel08** · 23rd November 2014, 19:30

Originally Posted by Hornet

I think it's Alonso saying thanks to the team. Also glad to see everyone laughing and having a good time, they deserve it after a long season.

http://i.imgur.com/vTwkGIl.jpg

Beautiful!