F14-T- Development & News

[PadGeT]

:-D
Monkey lip!

[Samcar222]

http://i.imgur.com/Jp4ev7f.jpg Notice the airfoil right "above" the tire temperature sensor, (looking at it on your screen; or to the left looking at the front of the car) - that is certainly new. I have a good feeling about this race, and I haven't at all yet this season.
Picture link courtesy of tifosi1993

[PadGeT]

http://i.imgur.com/Jp4ev7f.jpg
Looks like the 6-element one.

[Tobes]

I think what Marko meant by responsibilities was the what kind of project he can work on. Before this announcement, we've heard rumors that Ferrari not only offered a lot of money to Newey, but also the freedom to work on other stuff. So if it was true, it indicated that Newey was already looking to do something else besides F1.

I think the attraction Red Bull have is that they are involved in many other project besides autoracing, while Ferrari is focused on automobile. In Ferrari, the "other stuff" he may do is to design some other cars, maybe LMP or road cars, but still cars. Wheres Red Bull are involved in different projects such as air racing, boat racing, and scientific ones. Maybe Newey is looking to do something else besides cars.

He's designing an America's Cup yacht with Ben Ainsley, assuming there is some Red Bull involvement and sponsorship...

[Kiwi Nick]

http://i.imgur.com/Jp4ev7f.jpg
Looks like the 6-element one.

The best part is the tape with the black arrow. Is that to help the mechanics get the nose properly aligned?

[wacc]

http://i.imgur.com/Jp4ev7f.jpg Notice the airfoil right "above" the tire temperature sensor, (looking at it on your screen; or to the left looking at the front of the car) - that is certainly new...

That's just for angle of attack adjustment. It's been there for a long time.


The best part is the tape with the black arrow. Is that to help the mechanics get the nose properly aligned?

:) A bit unnecessary if you ask me, probably to properly mount the IR camera sensor.

[wacc]

Nice detail:
http://i60.tinypic.com/2m7xa0w.jpg

[tifosi1993]

Red Bull Ring, Spielberg, Styria, Austria (20/06/2014)

http://i.imgur.com/4U47Kg6l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/4U47Kg6.jpg)
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http://i.imgur.com/Wyzn0Hzl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Wyzn0Hz.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/u7kXPpRl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/u7kXPpR.jpg)

via AMUS

[JacKy]

it seems we are using the bodywork that we tested in canada. Weather is not that hot. I hope we can use this.

[Majki2111]

it seems we are using the bodywork that we tested in canada. Weather is not that hot. I hope we can use this.

It is logical to assume for F14T to drop back so no hope for weekend.

[tifosi1993]

Red Bull Ring, Spielberg, Styria, Austria (20/06/2014)

http://i.imgur.com/pSX9qHgl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/pSX9qHg.jpg)
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http://i.imgur.com/m7SayDMl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/m7SayDM.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/0xLagVrl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/0xLagVr.jpg)
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http://i.imgur.com/1fRqKO6l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/1fRqKO6.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/bj3vCLvl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/bj3vCLv.jpg)
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http://i.imgur.com/Satmx3El.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Satmx3E.jpg)

via Sutton

[gjoko-mkd]

Did we run the monkey seat or not?

[PadGeT]

Did we run the monkey seat or not?

Ya we ran two diff versions of monkey.
Here's a pic -
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bqkq-NKIcAElie5.jpg
Source-https://twitter.com/techF1LES/status/479962085355683841/photo/1

[PadGeT]

Also, no one here figured it out, but the rear brake ducts were modified-
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqkllyMIIAAtWhA.jpg
Source-https://twitter.com/techF1LES/status/479956167909965824/photo/1

[PadGeT]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqkxlcbCcAAaumQ.jpg:large
#techF1 Ferrari tested new sidepod airflow conditioners on Räikkönen's car
Same source

[ALO]

Also, no one here figured it out, but the rear brake ducts were modified-
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqkllyMIIAAtWhA.jpg
Source-https://twitter.com/techF1LES/status/479956167909965824/photo/1

nice find that's a lot of winglets ! :thumb

nerdy signature Na Sodium :haha:

[PadGeT]

Nice detail:
http://i60.tinypic.com/2m7xa0w.jpg

That's 6 - element isn't it ? Flaps look lot straighter.
Any guess, wehther they ran it?

[ALO]

"Ya we ran two diff versions of monkey."

that second one just looks beautiful so it must be faster :pass

[PadGeT]

nerdy signature Na Sodium :haha:
Ya, it getting a bit old. Need to change that. But, I do love that song.
Also, me nooo nerd, just Anorak !

[ALO]

If we keep all our updates on "we can" challenge MERC this weekend! :pray

after all this is a Kimi's and Ferrari track

source:http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2014/6/15967.html


Na it Nava gets old

[PadGeT]

Ya, it getting a bit old. Need to change that. But, I do love that song.


"Ya we ran two diff versions of monkey."

that second one just looks beautiful so it must be faster :pass
Actually, The single-tired one is meant for low D/F set up and its curliness is alot similar to RW bottom flap curvature leading to more smoother transition

[ALO]

5886

The winglet changes with the Wheel Nut Type ALO has blown so air moves around that area differently.

[NickEice]

I know a good result tomorrow will be tough, but i'm hoping they at least race all the new bits. Please Ferrari just give it a gamble. There's not much to lose.

[Nero Horse]

So did we use all the new parts in quali this time? :Hmm

[PadGeT]

So did we use all the new parts in quali this time? :Hmm

Ya we did..
Regarding updates, Alonso said:

Definitely the new parts that we ran in Canada and here, they seem to work fine. In Canada, the track or layout or whatever was not good for us, so we didn’t to have a good race, but the new parts were better than the old ones.

Here, again, we tested some more. They seem mostly positive, so hopefully we’re moving in the right direction. We know that there’s still a long way to go.

[RedPassion]

We have a brand new diffuser too(probably already used in Canada):
OLD:5889(all rights go to NEXTGEAUTO.COM)
NEW:5890
Look how the central area has massively changed,much steeper channel,shorter and higher fin and longer side fin with RB vortex generators at the bottom.
Toghether with new rear and front brake ducts,new sidepods bargeboards and new engine cover make quite a massive update:-)
Maybe its the reason why our understeer has grown even worse,we still need to introduce the new FW,that by the way ís further being modified near the endplate area.

[PadGeT]

Analysis of new engine cover by F1.com
http://www.formula1.com/wi/full/ta_article/ta_article_1194.jpghttp://www.formula1.com/photos/teams_and_drivers/technical/car_focus_2.gif
One of the biggest areas of development we have seen this season is with cooling, and the various locations for cooling exit ducts. Airflow that is used to cool the various components on the car is airflow that cannot be used to create downforce, so the more efficient the cooling package the more downforce the car will produce - and the more grip it will have. Ferrari have an interesting cooling solution. Along the spine of their engine cover they have an opening which can be completely open (fairly inefficient), or have a louvred panel fitted (medium efficiency), or be completely blocked off (most efficient). Which setting to use depends on the conditions - from blocked off in cooler conditions to fully open in hot conditions.

[PadGeT]

FP2 flow-viz around bargeboard-splitter-turning vane
http://i.imgur.com/TGyNGWF.jpg

[Kristof_F40]

Does anybody know more about the use of our new windtunnel?

I was wonderring: the F14 T was developed in the Toyota windtunnel from what I heard, LdM said this will be the last car, new car will be in the new windtunnel. But what about the parts for the F14 T? Which parts have been developed in the new windtunnel? It seems to me that the parts that we introduced in the last 2 GPs were working good, and the team was saticefied about that, which is an improvement. Is it because of new windtunnel?

[Alonso14]

Does anybody know more about the use of our new windtunnel?

I was wonderring: the F14 T was developed in the Toyota windtunnel from what I heard, LdM said this will be the last car, new car will be in the new windtunnel. But what about the parts for the F14 T? Which parts have been developed in the new windtunnel? It seems to me that the parts that we introduced in the last 2 GPs were working good, and the team was saticefied about that, which is an improvement. Is it because of new windtunnel?

I don't know (not aware if this info is public) but it would make some sense if this is the case. Designing new parts is a lengthy process so it makes sense if at least a portion of this upgrades in the initial races were designed in the Toyota windtunnel.

[Alfa159]

Does anybody know more about the use of our new windtunnel?

I was wonderring: the F14 T was developed in the Toyota windtunnel from what I heard, LdM said this will be the last car, new car will be in the new windtunnel. But what about the parts for the F14 T? Which parts have been developed in the new windtunnel? It seems to me that the parts that we introduced in the last 2 GPs were working good, and the team was saticefied about that, which is an improvement. Is it because of new windtunnel?

Developed in the Toyota Wind Tunnel and I think they accidentally downloaded the data of a Toyota Corolla cause it's probably the most similar performing car at the moment.

[stefa]

Developed in the Toyota Wind Tunnel and I think they accidentally downloaded the data of a Toyota Corolla cause it's probably the most similar performing car at the moment.

:rotfl

[Nehno]

Developed in the Toyota Wind Tunnel and I think they accidentally downloaded the data of a Toyota Corolla cause it's probably the most similar performing car at the moment.

:clap :clap

[Kristof_F40]

Developed in the Toyota Wind Tunnel and I think they accidentally downloaded the data of a Toyota Corolla cause it's probably the most similar performing car at the moment.

Do you also know when we will be seeing parts that are designed in the new tunnel?

[FerrariF60]

Do you also know when we will be seeing parts that are designed in the new tunnel?

probably next season; as the parts that are developed for this year are manufactured ahead of time.
so next year's car will be developed in teh NEW wind tunnel and so will the parts for the new car

[Kristof_F40]

probably next season; as the parts that are developed for this year are manufactured ahead of time.
so next year's car will be developed in teh NEW wind tunnel and so will the parts for the new car

True, but windtunnel is open since last year oktober/november? So it should be possible to already use it, no? Indeed updates are planned ahead, but by now updates could be comming from new windtunnel no?

[FerrariF60]

True, but windtunnel is open since last year oktober/november? So it should be possible to already use it, no? Indeed updates are planned ahead, but by now updates could be comming from new windtunnel no?

we should hope so...we'll see; ferrari said tath they will be bringing updated (aero ones' ) to every race weekend, so we'll how well they work

as far as if they are built using the NEW wind tunnel, no one knows except FERRARI

[Nero Horse]

At the start of this season Ferrari said that the wind tunnel is fixed and working properly, so I really think that all the updates that are now coming on the car have been tested in that Ferrari's own wind tunnel in Maranello, or at least I hope so.

[Kristof_F40]

At the start of this season Ferrari said that the wind tunnel is fixed and working properly, so I really think that all the updates that are now coming on the car have been tested in that Ferrari's own wind tunnel in Maranello, or at least I hope so.

The question is, from which point.. Like I said, update from last 2 races were working and doing the job, is this coincidense or is it the new windtunnel and James Allison?

[Duderino]

“It's interesting because if we would have discussed before the race weekend who was going to be a favourite for the track you would have said OK definitely power unit in the first sector – up the hill it is pretty steep – but that second and third sector is an aero track,” Wolff said. “And the teams out in front were different from what we expected before the weekend.

Race Best Sector Times 2nd and Third
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[Hunkelberg]

Just take a look at the F14-T head on. Be truthful, do you see the squished, molten ugly slab there ?

No proper windtunel will produce such awkward and funny nosecone. No grace. At all. As if they used a hammer to straighten carbon fiber...it just does not look anything like that has to do with aerodynamics, avionics, etc. For the contrast, take a look at the RB10's. Head on, profile, three quarters, whatever, it just looks so proportionally aesthetically pleasing. It really looks a beaut. Now go back and look at that ugly red car. Ugh....can you see it ?

It might look a bit silly and over-simplistic to judge aero by aesthetics. But I dare to counter that by this example from nature: take a look at what evolution does over billions of years to underwater creatures. Do you see beluga as fast, agile, speedy creature ? Sailfish, Swordfish, Marlin, Wahoo on the other hand...You know, there is nothing to sneeze about that as Nature provides much of the motivational examples that humans unashamedly borrow some of their designs from.

If what little I know about math, symmetry, rates and proportions is any good, then there is a good deal of reason to believe that fast things have certain looks to them. If marine examples do not cut it for you take a look at fighterjets. None of the fast ones have head on features isomorphic to what red team produced in its 2014 racer.

So yeah, it is ugly as sin. And therefore it does not work :) :-P

[Kiwi Nick]

Just take a look at the F14-T head on. Be truthful, do you see the squished, molten ugly slab there ?

No proper windtunel will produce such awkward and funny nosecone. No grace. At all. As if they used a hammer to straighten carbon fiber...it just does not look anything like that has to do with aerodynamics, avionics, etc. For the contrast, take a look at the RB10's. Head on, profile, three quarters, whatever, it just looks so proportionally aesthetically pleasing. It really looks a beaut. Now go back and look at that ugly red car. Ugh....can you see it ?

It might look a bit silly and over-simplistic to judge aero by aesthetics. But I dare to counter that by this example from nature: take a look at what evolution does over billions of years to underwater creatures. Do you see beluga as fast, agile, speedy creature ? Sailfish, Swordfish, Marlin, Wahoo on the other hand...You know, there is nothing to sneeze about that as Nature provides much of the motivational examples that humans unashamedly borrow some of their designs from.

If what little I know about math, symmetry, rates and proportions is any good, then there is a good deal of reason to believe that fast things have certain looks to them. If marine examples do not cut it for you take a look at fighterjets. None of the fast ones have head on features isomorphic to what red team produced in its 2014 racer.

So yeah, it is ugly as sin. And therefore it does not work :) :-P

Do you mean to imply that the fact that the F14T looks radically different than any other F1 car might be a clue to its poor performance? :thumb

[PadGeT]

Just take a look at the F14-T head on. Be truthful, do you see the squished, molten ugly slab there ?

No proper windtunel will produce such awkward and funny nosecone. No grace. At all. As if they used a hammer to straighten carbon fiber...it just does not look anything like that has to do with aerodynamics, avionics, etc. For the contrast, take a look at the RB10's. Head on, profile, three quarters, whatever, it just looks so proportionally aesthetically pleasing. It really looks a beaut. Now go back and look at that ugly red car. Ugh....can you see it ?

It might look a bit silly and over-simplistic to judge aero by aesthetics. But I dare to counter that by this example from nature: take a look at what evolution does over billions of years to underwater creatures. Do you see beluga as fast, agile, speedy creature ? Sailfish, Swordfish, Marlin, Wahoo on the other hand...You know, there is nothing to sneeze about that as Nature provides much of the motivational examples that humans unashamedly borrow some of their designs from.

If what little I know about math, symmetry, rates and proportions is any good, then there is a good deal of reason to believe that fast things have certain looks to them. If marine examples do not cut it for you take a look at fighterjets. None of the fast ones have head on features isomorphic to what red team produced in its 2014 racer.

So yeah, it is ugly as sin. And therefore it does not work :) :-P

No theoretical basis for your conclusion. I would love to see you explain our FW philosophy. Hint- Try to focus on effective wing span.
Will be happy to further discuss, once you make a reasonable explanation. ;-)

[Nero Horse]

Just take a look at the F14-T head on. Be truthful, do you see the squished, molten ugly slab there ?

No proper windtunel will produce such awkward and funny nosecone. No grace. At all. As if they used a hammer to straighten carbon fiber...it just does not look anything like that has to do with aerodynamics, avionics, etc. For the contrast, take a look at the RB10's. Head on, profile, three quarters, whatever, it just looks so proportionally aesthetically pleasing. It really looks a beaut. Now go back and look at that ugly red car. Ugh....can you see it ?

It might look a bit silly and over-simplistic to judge aero by aesthetics. But I dare to counter that by this example from nature: take a look at what evolution does over billions of years to underwater creatures. Do you see beluga as fast, agile, speedy creature ? Sailfish, Swordfish, Marlin, Wahoo on the other hand...You know, there is nothing to sneeze about that as Nature provides much of the motivational examples that humans unashamedly borrow some of their designs from.

If what little I know about math, symmetry, rates and proportions is any good, then there is a good deal of reason to believe that fast things have certain looks to them. If marine examples do not cut it for you take a look at fighterjets. None of the fast ones have head on features isomorphic to what red team produced in its 2014 racer.

So yeah, it is ugly as sin. And therefore it does not work :) :-P

Weird...you sound exactly like a former member of this forum, that "Bubbles" who already got banned once, deja vu moments all over the place when reading your comments. :lou

And the F14-T is not ugly at all, that's just your opinion. I personally find the F14-T to be a very beautiful and awesome looking car, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a Ferrari fan.

[tifosi1993]

Just take a look at the F14-T head on. Be truthful, do you see the squished, molten ugly slab there ?

No proper windtunel will produce such awkward and funny nosecone. No grace. At all. As if they used a hammer to straighten carbon fiber...it just does not look anything like that has to do with aerodynamics, avionics, etc. For the contrast, take a look at the RB10's. Head on, profile, three quarters, whatever, it just looks so proportionally aesthetically pleasing. It really looks a beaut. Now go back and look at that ugly red car. Ugh....can you see it ?

It might look a bit silly and over-simplistic to judge aero by aesthetics. But I dare to counter that by this example from nature: take a look at what evolution does over billions of years to underwater creatures. Do you see beluga as fast, agile, speedy creature ? Sailfish, Swordfish, Marlin, Wahoo on the other hand...You know, there is nothing to sneeze about that as Nature provides much of the motivational examples that humans unashamedly borrow some of their designs from.

If what little I know about math, symmetry, rates and proportions is any good, then there is a good deal of reason to believe that fast things have certain looks to them. If marine examples do not cut it for you take a look at fighterjets. None of the fast ones have head on features isomorphic to what red team produced in its 2014 racer.

So yeah, it is ugly as sin. And therefore it does not work :) :-P

How can you judge, only by looking at it, if a nose/fw/rw/diffuser is messed up or extremely good?

I comment and speculate as well, but I'm careful not to take it too far as I'm not an F1 engineer.

[Hunkelberg]

Weird...you sound exactly like a former member of this forum, that "Bubbles" who already got banned once, deja vu moments all over the place when reading your comments. :lou

And the F14-T is not ugly at all, that's just your opinion. I personally find the F14-T to be a very beautiful and awesome looking car, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a Ferrari fan.

intredasting. you seem to have nightmares, where "Bubbles" is the villain. Poor you, can not recall who it was and who it was I resemble. You seem confused. But that is your problems.

But how is the stuff you uttered above has anything to do with the topic

[Nero Horse]

intredasting. you seem to have nightmares, where "Bubbles" is the villain. Poor you, can not recall who it was and who it was I resemble. You seem confused. But that is your problems.

But how is the stuff you uttered above has anything to do with the topic

Looks like I hit a nerve there LOL

Confused? Don't think so..."Bubbles" :lou

It is you who seem to be confused, as you seem to think that you're somekind of a aerodynamics expert when you try to make such final conclusions about the F14-T.

[Winter]

Just take a look at the F14-T head on. Be truthful, do you see the squished, molten ugly slab there ?

No proper windtunel will produce such awkward and funny nosecone. No grace. At all. As if they used a hammer to straighten carbon fiber...it just does not look anything like that has to do with aerodynamics, avionics, etc. For the contrast, take a look at the RB10's. Head on, profile, three quarters, whatever, it just looks so proportionally aesthetically pleasing. It really looks a beaut. Now go back and look at that ugly red car. Ugh....can you see it ?

It might look a bit silly and over-simplistic to judge aero by aesthetics. But I dare to counter that by this example from nature: take a look at what evolution does over billions of years to underwater creatures. Do you see beluga as fast, agile, speedy creature ? Sailfish, Swordfish, Marlin, Wahoo on the other hand...You know, there is nothing to sneeze about that as Nature provides much of the motivational examples that humans unashamedly borrow some of their designs from.

If what little I know about math, symmetry, rates and proportions is any good, then there is a good deal of reason to believe that fast things have certain looks to them. If marine examples do not cut it for you take a look at fighterjets. None of the fast ones have head on features isomorphic to what red team produced in its 2014 racer.

So yeah, it is ugly as sin. And therefore it does not work :) :-P

When I catch a Sailfish, Swordfish or a Marlin with four tires on their sides, I'll agree with your Darwin F1 theory, untill that I have some doubts..

[Hunkelberg]

besides, I have to tell, this place is a bit rough around edges. There is no one on here who is posting anything original. Just same old stuff borrowed from plain old places....copy pasted nth time and more

Never mind the thread topic, any topic, as there is hardly anyone here versed and grounded in technology behind racing that is posting anything about the car and on topic. Just some hearsay. .

Also, insecurity, naiveness and plain stupidity of some is just staggering. For instance, someone is asking for the theory behind some post. Well, if a conjecture gets taken as theory then you know that there could be no argument. Not worth it.
For real? A technically sound argument on TSN is being demanded. This is surely insane. This place is no f1technical and never will never be. The talent pool is to shallow. But pretenders number is vast.

And then there is an establishment, that is deluded to think that it has this seniority that needs to be dealt with, no matter how worthless, substanceless and boring their posts are. Basically, all their contribution is waste of space.

then there is the big brother. This place has never seen a thread worthy of rereading. It has no substance, the parties are as clever as bots, but claim to be very knowledgeable and respected. How could there be a sane argument here where there is zero tolerance against alternative views to the party line. Guys, do you realize this place sucks? You guys suck...

[Nero Horse]

Aaah yes, same old "Bubbles" ^^ :roll

[Greig]

A quality internet meltdown......

BTW you suck :-)

[Suzie]

besides, I have to tell, this place is a bit rough around edges. There is no one on here who is posting anything original. Just same old stuff borrowed from plain old places....copy pasted nth time and more

Never mind the thread topic, any topic, as there is hardly anyone here versed and grounded in technology behind racing that is posting anything about the car and on topic. Just some hearsay. .

Also, insecurity, naiveness and plain stupidity of some is just staggering. For instance, someone is asking for the theory behind some post. Well, if a conjecture gets taken as theory then you know that there could be no argument. Not worth it.
For real? A technically sound argument on TSN is being demanded. This is surely insane. This place is no f1technical and never will never be. The talent pool is to shallow. But pretenders number is vast.

And then there is an establishment, that is deluded to think that it has this seniority that needs to be dealt with, no matter how worthless, substanceless and boring their posts are. Basically, all their contribution is waste of space.

then there is the big brother. This place has never seen a thread worthy of rereading. It has no substance, the parties are as clever as bots, but claim to be very knowledgeable and respected. How could there be a sane argument here where there is zero tolerance against alternative views to the party line. Guys, do you realize this place sucks? You guys suck...

Awww. Bless.

:-)

[Winter]

besides, I have to tell, this place is a bit rough around edges. There is no one on here who is posting anything original. Just same old stuff borrowed from plain old places....copy pasted nth time and more

Never mind the thread topic, any topic, as there is hardly anyone here versed and grounded in technology behind racing that is posting anything about the car and on topic. Just some hearsay. .

Also, insecurity, naiveness and plain stupidity of some is just staggering. For instance, someone is asking for the theory behind some post. Well, if a conjecture gets taken as theory then you know that there could be no argument. Not worth it.
For real? A technically sound argument on TSN is being demanded. This is surely insane. This place is no f1technical and never will never be. The talent pool is to shallow. But pretenders number is vast.

And then there is an establishment, that is deluded to think that it has this seniority that needs to be dealt with, no matter how worthless, substanceless and boring their posts are. Basically, all their contribution is waste of space.

then there is the big brother. This place has never seen a thread worthy of rereading. It has no substance, the parties are as clever as bots, but claim to be very knowledgeable and respected. How could there be a sane argument here where there is zero tolerance against alternative views to the party line. Guys, do you realize this place sucks? You guys suck...

Don't let this forum to ruin your summer :-)

[Suzie]

Gutted TSN has a shallow talent pool, tbh.

[Nero Horse]

That was another lovely rant from Bubbles, just don't understand why she even came back here when this forum has such a "shallow talent pool" LOL... oh well, moving on... :lou

[Suzie]

'She'?

[Rob]

'She'?

sorry...
:offtopic
i thought Bubbles was she aswell :-??

[Nero Horse]

'She'?

Yep, "Bubbles/Hunkelberg" is a she...

She said so herself once.

[PadGeT]

Shame, the bloke got banned. I have no problem with conjectures, we all make conjectures from what we see. But to have such a narrow field of vision and to make conclusions based on absolutely nothing is abysmal imo. Atleast try to make sense a little bit. I would have loved to see his alternative views, nobody is blinded here by faith. But what I wanted was a sound basis behind it, so atleast I can learn from it. But guess he was too clever for that.

[Suzie]

Yep, "Bubbles/Hunkelberg" is a she...

She said so herself once.

Sorry - a bit of sexism on my part there! Automatically assumed someone so obnoxious and rude was male :oops

[Nero Horse]

Shame, the bloke got banned. I have no problem with conjectures, we all make conjectures from what we see. But to have such a narrow field of vision and to make conclusions based on absolutely nothing is abysmal imo. Atleast try to make sense a little bit. I would have loved to see his alternative views, nobody is blinded here by faith. But what I wanted was a sound basis behind it, so atleast I can learn from it. But guess he was too clever for that.

That was no bloke, it was a female behind that account. And it was her second time that she got banned from this forum. Her previous account username was "Bubbles".

[Kiwi Nick]

Shame, the bloke got banned. I have no problem with conjectures, we all make conjectures from what we see. But to have such a narrow field of vision and to make conclusions based on absolutely nothing is abysmal imo. Atleast try to make sense a little bit. I would have loved to see his alternative views, nobody is blinded here by faith. But what I wanted was a sound basis behind it, so atleast I can learn from it. But guess he was too clever for that.

Can I infer from your post that Hulkenberg got banned for his posts? If that is the case please ban me as well. And if Hulkenberg is indeed a she, give her my email address and phone number.

[NickEice]

PadGet makes our talent pool deeper!

[Nova]

What r u guys talking about???..so, I thought the engine was in the front of the car..sno biggie :-D

[Tony]

What r u guys talking about???..so, I thought the engine was in the front of the car..sno biggie :-D

What do you mean it's not at the front? Where do the drivers put their luggage?

[blaney1977]

If we are now at least going the right direction and mm is restructuring is the chance too start 2015 much closer or on a par with the leading teams realistic or is the engine gap too big?

[Gould]

Can I infer from your post that Hulkenberg got banned for his posts? If that is the case please ban me as well. And if Hulkenberg is indeed a she, give her my email address and phone number.

This place is very badly modded. One of the worst forums I frequent in fact when it comes to moderators. I once typed ** and got a warning! Please ban me as well.

*TSN MODS*

Please do not swear, even abbreviations. Thankyou.:-D

[diesel08]

besides, I have to tell, this place is a bit rough around edges. There is no one on here who is posting anything original. Just same old stuff borrowed from plain old places....copy pasted nth time and more

Never mind the thread topic, any topic, as there is hardly anyone here versed and grounded in technology behind racing that is posting anything about the car and on topic. Just some hearsay. .

Also, insecurity, naiveness and plain stupidity of some is just staggering. For instance, someone is asking for the theory behind some post. Well, if a conjecture gets taken as theory then you know that there could be no argument. Not worth it.
For real? A technically sound argument on TSN is being demanded. This is surely insane. This place is no f1technical and never will never be. The talent pool is to shallow. But pretenders number is vast.

And then there is an establishment, that is deluded to think that it has this seniority that needs to be dealt with, no matter how worthless, substanceless and boring their posts are. Basically, all their contribution is waste of space.

then there is the big brother. This place has never seen a thread worthy of rereading. It has no substance, the parties are as clever as bots, but claim to be very knowledgeable and respected. How could there be a sane argument here where there is zero tolerance against alternative views to the party line. Guys, do you realize this place sucks? You guys suck...

take a time, go to holiday :lou

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari in talks with new turbo supplier (http://www.f1technical.net/news/19446)

[ALO]

Ferrari in talks with new turbo supplier (http://www.f1technical.net/news/19446)

why whats wrong with this one?

5895

Awe man, I just bought one based on them being a supplier to Ferrari :-s

[Greig]

This place is very badly modded. One of the worst forums I frequent in fact when it comes to moderators. I once typed "BS" and got a warning! Please ban me as well.

Bad moderation would be ignoring members breaking the rules they agree to when they join, maybe you should brush up on them and then you would have no need to be moderated.


*Keep in mind that this website and it's forums are visited by people of all ages and ethnic backgrounds. Many of which do not appreciate vulgar language. So, the less there is the better the forums are for everyone. If you really must express yourself by swearing then fully * out the swear word. This also applies to abbreviated swearing. We have a swear filter in place so please do not try to bypass this system or your post will probably be removed entirely. This also applies to the use of images and video's.

You can ban yourself however if you wish, just don't come here.

[Ed Harley]

Irreparable error in the Ferrari engine

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/ferraris-motorprobleme-irreparable-fehler-im-ferrari-triebwerk-8440355.html

[Kiwi Nick]

Irreparable error in the Ferrari engine

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/ferraris-motorprobleme-irreparable-fehler-im-ferrari-triebwerk-8440355.html

So there are problems with the engine, turbo, exhaust manifolds and the MGU-H which together make the Ferrari PU the dog of F1. With that many problem areas, it really looks like Ferrari simply blew the entire PU design. Lucky for them that most of the issues can be addressed for 2015. Question is, will they get it right the second time?

[Winter]

I would be happier if most of the problems were not on electric side of the PU. That's kind of a new area to Ferrari..
I think we'd have much better change to improve, if combustion engine were the problem.

[Paulpg87]

So there are problems with the engine, turbo, exhaust manifolds and the MGU-H which together make the Ferrari PU the dog of F1. With that many problem areas, it really looks like Ferrari simply blew the entire PU design. Lucky for them that most of the issues can be addressed for 2015. Question is, will they get it right the second time?

Even if you can do it you'll have one year disavantage over mercedes which will release an updated engine. With this year we destroyed also 2015. Mercedes started a new cycle like red bull and ferrari before them. This is a gap you can't recover.. moreover in the last few years we were unable to close a way smaller gap to RBR with a car without majestic mistakes like this year. That's how f1 works, it's always about getting an amazing car and dominate for several years.

just my 2 cent

[abbottcostello]

Irreparable error in the Ferrari engine

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/ferraris-motorprobleme-irreparable-fehler-im-ferrari-triebwerk-8440355.html
Seems at the very least, any problems with the exhaust design could be improved under the rules (safety & reliability) if it is true we were turning down engine due to overheating in Austria?

[AfterLife]

Irreparable error in the Ferrari engine

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/ferraris-motorprobleme-irreparable-fehler-im-ferrari-triebwerk-8440355.html

In terms of raw power Ferrari and Renault power unit are apparently the same and this is very suspicious. Maybe it shows that Mercedes power unit will have something extra compare to Ferrari and Renault upgraded power units even in 2015. Hopefully that is not the case.

[F1NAC]

In terms of raw power Ferrari and Renault power unit are apparently the same and this is very suspicious. Maybe it shows that Mercedes power unit will have something extra compare to Ferrari and Renault upgraded power units even in 2015. Hopefully that is not the case.

Maybe we were little bit optimistic with the size of turbo. I think all engine suppliers will put C-MGUh-TC like Mercedes. Obviously it is good and we can play more with cooling requirements

[PadGeT]

I think all engine suppliers will put C-MGUh-TC like Mercedes.

How can you tell that is the solution to the problem they are having? :-D


why whats wrong with this one?

5895

Awe man, I just bought one based on them being a supplier to Ferrari :-s
Done the same here...
:-(

[F1NAC]

How can you tell that is the solution to the problem they are having? :-D


Done the same here...
:-(
Because with that they could accomplish smaller sidepods and will have more space and lower CoG

[JacKy]

any major update for silverstone ?

[Giallo 550]

Just take a look at the F14-T head on. Be truthful, do you see the squished, molten ugly slab there ?

No proper windtunel will produce such awkward and funny nosecone. No grace. At all. As if they used a hammer to straighten carbon fiber...it just does not look anything like that has to do with aerodynamics, avionics, etc. For the contrast, take a look at the RB10's. Head on, profile, three quarters, whatever, it just looks so proportionally aesthetically pleasing. It really looks a beaut. Now go back and look at that ugly red car. Ugh....can you see it ?

It might look a bit silly and over-simplistic to judge aero by aesthetics. But I dare to counter that by this example from nature: take a look at what evolution does over billions of years to underwater creatures. Do you see beluga as fast, agile, speedy creature ? Sailfish, Swordfish, Marlin, Wahoo on the other hand...You know, there is nothing to sneeze about that as Nature provides much of the motivational examples that humans unashamedly borrow some of their designs from.

If what little I know about math, symmetry, rates and proportions is any good, then there is a good deal of reason to believe that fast things have certain looks to them. If marine examples do not cut it for you take a look at fighterjets. None of the fast ones have head on features isomorphic to what red team produced in its 2014 racer.

So yeah, it is ugly as sin. And therefore it does not work :) :-P

Love you too, baby. :love

[PadGeT]

Because with that they could accomplish smaller sidepods and will have more space and lower CoG

Well.. that isn't an engine performance differentiator now is it? What you are telling is translating to aero benefit, which isn't a problem for F14 T in my eyes.
Also F14 T is reasonable at keeping its engine bay cool.

[Alesi1]

Well.. that isn't an engine performance differentiator now is it? What you are telling is translating to aero benefit, which isn't a problem for F14 T in my eyes.
Also F14 T is reasonable at keeping its engine bay cool.

Of course it can keep its engine bay cool, it doesn't go fast enough to generate any heat!

[Majki2111]

Of course it can keep its engine bay cool, it doesn't go fast enough to generate any heat!
What you are saying is relative...

[Rob]

Cannt see the PU layout changing too much next year, main updates and developements will be turbo and software.

[Samcar222]

I disagree, I think everything that can be legally redesigned will be for 2015. Renault is bringing an "all new" engine for 2015, I'd expect nothing less from Ferrari. If however we are still slow in 2015 with an Allison designed car from our own wind tunnel, with an updated motor, then it's time to start thinking about LMP1-H, imo.

[FFFerrari]

Cannt see the PU layout changing too much next year, main updates and developements will be turbo and software.

They can change quite a lot and I really think they should, not just the turbo and the software but the whole design of the engine. Just look at the pictures of our engine and the Merc one and you can see that one has a low center of gravity, simple but clever solutions and delivers and the other one is a mess. If Renault is building a totally new PU, so should we.

[PadGeT]

http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Technik-GP-Oesterreich-2014-fotoshowImage-50ca4d5d-790168.jpg:-D
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Technik-GP-Oesterreich-2014-fotoshowImage-505af573-790169.jpg
http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Technik-GP-Oesterreich-2014-fotoshowImage-b551905-790170.jpg
http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Technik-GP-Oesterreich-2014-fotoshowImage-f5043d45-790171.jpg
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Technik-GP-Oesterreich-2014-fotoshowImage-94f16574-790172.jpg

via AMuS

[wacc]

A little note to that turning vanes. Amus made it a little bit confusing. From the pictures it may seem as the small part of the turning vane was added. But it was not. The main part of the turning vane under the bulkhead is attached to the chassis. But the small part that the red arrow is pointing at (3rd picuture) is attached to the nose cone which is why it is missing on the 2nd picture .

[PadGeT]

:clap
A little note to that turning vanes. Amus made it a little bit confusing. From the pictures it may seem as the small part of the turning vane was added. But it was not. The main part of the turning vane under the bulkhead is attached to the chassis. But the small part that the red arrow is pointing at (3rd picuture) is attached to the nose cone which is why it is missing on the 2nd picture .
Updates all at the rear.

[abbottcostello]

:clap
Updates all at the rear.
Picture 3 looks like front end to me, pic 2 not as sure, I just can't tell but far right of pic looks like front of tub with fw removed maybe???

[stefa]

Picture 3 looks like front end to me, pic 2 not as sure, I just can't tell but far right of pic looks like front of tub with fw removed maybe???

Pictures 1, 4 and 5 REAR
Pictures 2 and 3 FRONT

[Fizzey apples]

The only thing I can really see happening is latter half of this year as a test bed for 2015 with as much damage limitation as possible.There has to be a new power unit for next year just for the part of fairness for Honda having a year as a learning curve.Cant see the other manufacturers keeping all the same units as would be the case if any other manufacturer came in.

[tifosi1993]

Silverstone, UK (03/07/2014)

http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowBigImage-41913d7e-791217.jpg
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowBigImage-98f8bcf9-791218.jpg
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowBigImage-172ec6c2-791219.jpg
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowBigImage-402155e6-791220.jpg
http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowBigImage-ba8d00c6-791242.jpg
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowBigImage-d5546cf2-791243.jpg
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowBigImage-a51a94e9-791244.jpg

via AMUS

[Alesi1]

May as well cut n paste pictures from Melbourne, visually very little difference, long gone are the days when cars look like make major changes like eg 1996. Boy I miss the old days

[PadGeT]

Gurney back, sidepod flow conditioner the new one tested in Austria.

[Nand0Nand0]

Gurney back, sidepod flow conditioner the new one tested in Austria.

Hard to tell from the pic, but I agree it is the Austrian new type but perhaps slightly modified - does the new lower fat part extend upward a little further?

[PadGeT]

Hard to tell from the pic, but I agree it is the Austrian new type but perhaps slightly modified - does the new lower fat part extend upward a little further?

yes

[Samcar222]

Have we ever run bottom (six o'clock) mounted calipers on the rear end of our car? I certainly haven't seen it in recent years, and I'd like to think that I would catch something like that from garage photos.

[PadGeT]

you mean in this pic?
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowBigImage-a51a94e9-791244.jpg

[tifosi1993]

Silverstone, UK (03/07/2014)

http://i.imgur.com/We5GtjRl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/We5GtjR.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/D0R85NLl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/D0R85NL.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/FQMC6Wnl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/FQMC6Wn.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/D07ITtYl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/D07ITtY.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/cSn6FMFl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/cSn6FMF.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/T8F902Ul.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/T8F902U.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/lCXnIhAl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/lCXnIhA.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/7gK2s1ml.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/7gK2s1m.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/M1A73GBl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/M1A73GB.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/vP3xBITl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/vP3xBIT.jpg)

EDIT:

http://i.imgur.com/UCwtjUOl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/UCwtjUO.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/uh1jobul.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/uh1jobu.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/tnowd6ll.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/tnowd6l.jpg)

via Sutton

[Samcar222]

Yes PadGeT, I honestly can't remember ever seeing bottom mounted calipers on our cars for as long as I've been a visiting guest on TSN (2011). RBR has had all four corners bottom mounted for quite some time now, IIRC enjoying quite significant CoG benefits.

[PadGeT]

Yes PadGeT, I honestly can't remember ever seeing bottom mounted calipers on our cars for as long as I've been a visiting guest on TSN (2011). RBR has had all four corners bottom mounted for quite some time now, IIRC enjoying quite significant CoG benefits.

If its purely CoG then its the best solution, but if its related brake drum changes for KERS packaging, then it points to MGU-K problems, won't it?
http://i.imgur.com/WyLPHt3.jpg
I wonder what they keep doing with that 6-element one?
From this pic it seems the lesser elements are associated with higher AoA.

[RedPassion]

Have we ever run bottom (six o'clock) mounted calipers on the rear end of our car? I certainly haven't seen it in recent years, and I'd like to think that I would catch something like that from garage photos.
And it seems that we have new front brake ducts(williams style)on Fernandos car.

[PadGeT]

And it seems that we have new front brake ducts(williams style)on Fernandos car.
http://i.imgur.com/D0R85NL.jpg
You mean this?

[RedPassion]

http://i.imgur.com/D0R85NL.jpg
You mean this?
yes.

[PadGeT]

I thinks its just the shrouding...
Here's one without-
http://i.imgur.com/My0a6Hq.jpg

[RedPassion]

I thinks its just the shrouding...
Here's one without-
http://i.imgur.com/My0a6Hq.jpg
i dont think so,i never seen it,i think that the normal shrouding would be the closed one Ferrari usually uses.

[PadGeT]

Ok part of the shrouding. What do you think that is? A new piston bridge assembly?:-ZZ

[RedPassion]

Ok part of the shrouding. What do you think that is?
just a different shrouding,a new one.

[PadGeT]

Intrigued to know what the benefit would be.

[RedPassion]

Intrigued to know what the benefit would be.
Less cooling efficiency,faster tyre warning maybe.

[PadGeT]

Have seen other teams using it
http://i.imgur.com/rWd1pya.jpg
If heat retention is the issue, stop making so many drills in the first place on the pads.

[Dino]

Yes PadGeT, I honestly can't remember ever seeing bottom mounted calipers on our cars for as long as I've been a visiting guest on TSN (2011). RBR has had all four corners bottom mounted for quite some time now, IIRC enjoying quite significant CoG benefits.

The rear calipers on the Ferrari F14T have always been horizontal.
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/upferrr5.jpghttp://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/upferrr5.jpg

[PadGeT]

ya & its on the pic above too.

http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowImage-635bca3e-791534.jpg
http://img4.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowImage-7d8c7786-791533.jpg
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowImage-1eb06468-791531.jpg
http://img4.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowImage-3c3dddb0-791530.jpg

[PadGeT]

Diffuser getting revised
Somewhere between china and canada
http://i.imgur.com/zNB2fVg.jpg
Canada - vortex generators introduced
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-Oesterreich-Spielberg-19-Juni-2014-fotoshowBigImage-8edc40f7-787973.jpg
Don't know when, but :-E
http://i.imgur.com/C0YxqFVl.jpg
Austria
http://i.imgur.com/Satmx3E.jpg
Silverstone
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-England-Silverstone-3-Juli-2014-fotoshowImage-1eb06468-791531.jpg

[tifosi1993]

New parts? :Hmm

http://i.imgur.com/uizHI8C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BXUsVo2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wTg0HIB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AJQkOtW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Uv6BdIx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eHgiyjz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rwr4gM2.jpg

via Sutton

[stefa]

Last picture is definitely floor

[PadGeT]

wheel hub and detail covered in aero paint.
http://www.sutton-images.com/previews/dmr1404jy04.jpg
http://www.sutton-images.com/previews/dmr1404jy03.jpg
http://www.sutton-images.com/previews/dmr1404jy01.jpg

[tifosi1993]

Silverstone, UK (04/07/2014)

http://i.imgur.com/Z7XedcDl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Z7XedcD.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/H23rIGFl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/H23rIGF.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/32rncU5l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/32rncU5.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/yqFdroTl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/yqFdroT.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/c1edE5Dl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/c1edE5D.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/MYuEzNIl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/MYuEzNI.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/k1rxoEQl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/k1rxoEQ.jpg)

via Sutton

[tifosi1993]

Silverstone, UK (04/07/2014)

http://i.imgur.com/yr3vJICl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/yr3vJIC.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/V3NSrkCl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/V3NSrkC.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/K9pj5zXl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/K9pj5zX.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/iBlPNNfl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/iBlPNNf.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/Tpjcze9l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Tpjcze9.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/g0hkW21l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/g0hkW21.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/dR93cABl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/dR93cAB.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/y0qhcaYl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/y0qhcaY.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/pTQ131ll.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/pTQ131l.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/fhydJvZl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/fhydJvZ.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/715esSKl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/715esSK.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/VQ66uy1l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/VQ66uy1.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/Q0UaGw6l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Q0UaGw6.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/cuhI5IHl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/cuhI5IH.jpg)

via Sutton

[SilverSpeed]

Thanks for the pics :-).

[AfterLife]

4MEN from http://forums.autosport.com/topic/192992-ferrari-f14-t-part-iii/page-42
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-04-2014/dJFCR9.gif

F14-T is a serious master :roll. Conservative choice of tyres doesn't help either.

[ntukza]

Is Ferrari coming or going? Are we focusing on next year or are we still engrossed in this year's championship? Can we expect exciting developments or should we bide our time in anticipation of next season? Does anyone know whaty going on?

[Kyss4k]

Is Ferrari coming or going? Are we focusing on next year or are we still engrossed in this year's championship? Can we expect exciting developments or should we bide our time in anticipation of next season? Does anyone know whaty going on?

Don't expect anything this year. We and everyone else are stuck in ome place with no real margin for big improvement. We have to wait for an engine unfreeze.

[Alesi1]

Don't expect anything this year. We and everyone else are stuck in ome place with no real margin for big improvement. We have to wait for an engine unfreeze.

Pathetic really. How can there bea freeze when we didn't even know te playing field. Merc has a free reign at the moment and everyone's hands are tied. They will have theasiest year in history because no one is allowed to do anything to catch up. Farcical.

[Nick Singer]

Pathetic really. How can there bea freeze when we didn't even know te playing field. Merc has a free reign at the moment and everyone's hands are tied. They will have theasiest year in history because no one is allowed to do anything to catch up. Farcical.

This. Formula E probably more fun now...

[tifosi1993]

Big changes @ Maranello

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/39662/f1-gp-silverstone-ecco-come-cambiera-la-ferrari-di-mattiacci&usg=ALkJrhgjH4JiBW6uO6EC1-F1WOzVUquixA

James Allison, Technical director & Mattiacci's right hand man, has the final say in the development of 2015 car
Fry & Tombazis will work under Allison

Luca Marmorini out of engine department

[killer]

Where is Luca M headed? Any word who replaces him as head?

[tifosi1993]

http://i.imgur.com/JjvIh89.png

[Paulpg87]

yes Marmorimi will be fired, they said it in tv. Due to a poor engine this year and not being able to copy blown exaust in 2 years from Renault.
They interviewed also Trulli (during formula e) and he said that Marmorini build up also Toyota engine and it was crap.

[Alesi1]

I'm getting the feeling tombi and frys days are also numbered

[Rob]

F14-T is a serious master :roll. Conservative choice of tyres doesn't help either.

Can see in that clip, Fernando took bit to much kerb, and unsettling the rear.

[Alesi1]

Can see in that clip, Fernando took bit to much kerb, and unsettling the rear.
It's been a problem with our cr since 2012 and coincides with front pullrod. We won't go there, suffice to stay that has been an ever on going issue.

[Scuderia85]

nice pics

[Rob]

It's been a problem with our cr since 2012 and coincides with front pullrod. We won't go there, suffice to stay that has been an ever on going issue.

what been a problem running over the kerbs?

[vcs316]

Lauda denies Ferrari poaching top engineers

Niki Lauda has promptly played down suggestions dominant Mercedes is bleeding engineers to Ferrari.

Italy's La Gazzetta dello Sport reported that a couple of handsful of engineers from rival teams have started work at Maranello, including a trio who previously worked on Mercedes' currently-dominant turbo V6 power unit.

But Mercedes team chairman Lauda insisted at Silverstone: "We have all the important engineers firmly under contract.

"They are staying," the great Austrian reiterated. "We have long term contracts with our major engineers."

Germany's Auto Motor und Sport said one of them is Mercedes' most important engine man, Andy Cowell, who is under contract for the next five years at least.

(GMM)

[Kyss4k]

what been a problem running over the kerbs?

It's true, that since 2012 we have problem with mechanical traction. It may well be because the suspension is not cooperating as it should (it is inter-connected after all). We did have great traction before that.

[shamim179]

yes Marmorimi will be fired, they said it in tv. Due to a poor engine this year and not being able to copy blown exaust in 2 years from Renault.
They interviewed also Trulli (during formula e) and he said that Marmorini build up also Toyota engine and it was crap.

I don't understand. Marmorini was well regarded and respected. Quite a few posters on this forum praised of him highly and because he had a leading role in the new V6 engine development there was an air of confidence. If he was truly inadequate, why didn't Ferrari do something about him before getting into this sort of situation?

[Rob]

It's true, that since 2012 we have problem with mechanical traction. It may well be because the suspension is not cooperating as it should (it is inter-connected after all). We did have great traction before that.

i know that. But, in that clip was saying that was causing Fernando to loosing the rear. But, him running over it to much, caused it. Not lack of traction.

[Hornet]

Lauda denies Ferrari poaching top engineers

Niki Lauda has promptly played down suggestions dominant Mercedes is bleeding engineers to Ferrari.

Italy's La Gazzetta dello Sport reported that a couple of handsful of engineers from rival teams have started work at Maranello, including a trio who previously worked on Mercedes' currently-dominant turbo V6 power unit.

But Mercedes team chairman Lauda insisted at Silverstone: "We have all the important engineers firmly under contract.

"They are staying," the great Austrian reiterated. "We have long term contracts with our major engineers."

Germany's Auto Motor und Sport said one of them is Mercedes' most important engine man, Andy Cowell, who is under contract for the next five years at least.

(GMM)

It's just rumors so we'll have to wait and see. But notice Lauda was talking about what he deem as important engineers or major engineers

[Rob]

Ferrari F14 T - front brake cooling, part one06 July 2014
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The airflow that cools the front brakes needs to be very well managed. The cold air comes in the main forward-facing brake duct opening (centre of picture) and passes through the cooling holes and across of the hot brake disc, taking away the excess heat. This airflow is then exited (red arrows) through the spokes of the front wheel and then mixes with the airflow that is coming around the outside of the front tyre. If any of this hot turbulent airflow is allowed to escape inside the wheel, the car's underfloor will produce less downforce, meaning the car will have less grip.

Ferrari F14 T - front brake cooling, part two06 July 2014
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With the main brake duct shield removed we can see a separate cooling duct (red arrows). Efficient brake cooling means taking in as much cold airflow as possible through the main brake duct inlet (centre of picture) and letting it swirl around the disc to take away excess heat. The internal flow needs to be managed and this separate duct sets up the airflow direction, which in turn helps the airflow that is cooling the disc.

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/924/1200.html

[Rob]

Ferrari F14 T - power unit installation04 July 2014
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Mercedes' clever installation of their 2014 power unit has garnered plenty of attention, but Ferrari's solution also has some very novel features. The exhaust system (1) naturally starts on either side of the engine. With its flat-section three-into-one transition with the tailpipe, it then meets in the middle and connects with the turbo (2 - in red). A very simple stay (3) supports the overhanging weight of the turbo. The clever part of Ferrari's design is the intercooler positioning (4). Instead of the pressurised hot air from the blue side of the turbo (2) travelling to the sidepod, passing through a radiator core to cool it, and then returning to the engine, the Italian team have placed the intercooler in the 'V' of the engine (the red arrow shows the location), and the air quite simply passes through this on its normal route into the engine inlets. The intake duct (5), meanwhile, channels airflow coming from the airbox into the blue side of the turbo (2).

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/924/1199.html

[The Architect]

I don't understand. Marmorini was well regarded and respected. Quite a few posters on this forum praised of him highly and because he had a leading role in the new V6 engine development there was an air of confidence. If he was truly inadequate, why didn't Ferrari do something about him before getting into this sort of situation?

Quite unfounded confidence and a lack of willingness to question critically. It wouldn't be the first time. I imagine it was the slow moving Domicalli-lead organisation which allowed such a situation to continue. If Mattiaci has identified him as a weakness, then changes have to be made.

[DIEK]

Silverstone test days:



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[ManFromMilan]

Is that a very slimmer new engine cover i see?

[Nero Horse]

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That is really great news indeed! If we could now somehow get Bob Bell to join our team as well then that'd be simply fantastic.

[tifosi1993]

Official In-Season Testing, Silverstone, UK (08/07/2014)

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[tifosi1993]

That is really great news indeed! If we could now somehow get Bob Bell to join our team as well then that'd be simply fantastic.

Without doubt. :thumb

[Rob]

That is really great news indeed! If we could now somehow get Bob Bell to join our team as well then that'd be simply fantastic.

;-)

[Homan13PSU]

;-)

This doesn't look like a knowing post in the least...

:-D

[ntukza]

Is the solution of getting personnel from other teams the only way to go? I'm not particularly fond of it. Might as well buy all of Red Bull and change the name; buy a merc engine and the rights/permission to change the name.

[ntukza]

yes Marmorimi will be fired, they said it in tv. Due to a poor engine this year and not being able to copy blown exaust in 2 years from Renault.
They interviewed also Trulli (during formula e) and he said that Marmorini build up also Toyota engine and it was crap.

How did this weasel get into our team??

[ntukza]

I'm getting the feeling tombi and frys days are also numbered

I hope so. Fire the whole lot, says I. They will now work under Allison, what was the arrangement before that?

[ntukza]

Don't expect anything this year. We and everyone else are stuck in ome place with no real margin for big improvement. We have to wait for an engine unfreeze.

Yes, I get that we are stuck. But here we are in a thread that discusses the new parts Ferrari keep bringing to the races. Hence my question. I ask again: are we now focused on next season or are we still working towards this championship? Does anybody know what's going on?

[wacc]

They will work on new parts for this years car only if it is beneficial also for next year. That is what they said. So the main developement focus is on next year but it may be useful for this year too.

[ntukza]

They will work on new parts for this years car only if it is beneficial also for next year. That is what they said. So the main developement focus is on next year but it may be useful for this year too.

Oh okay. Thank you.

[vcs316]

Yes, I get that we are stuck. But here we are in a thread that discusses the new parts Ferrari keep bringing to the races. Hence my question. I ask again: are we now focused on next season or are we still working towards this championship? Does anybody know what's going on?

We will keep introducing new parts & updates until Singapore and try to improve the car as much as possible for 2015. Post Singapore, all efforts will be concentrated towards 2015.

[tifosi1993]

Official In-Season Testing, Silverstone, UK (09/07/2014)

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[ntukza]

We will keep introducing new parts & updates until Singapore and try to improve the car as much as possible for 2015. Post Singapore, all efforts will be concentrated towards 2015.

Thanks mate.

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

We will keep introducing new parts & updates until Singapore and try to improve the car as much as possible for 2015. Post Singapore, all efforts will be concentrated towards 2015.

that sounds scuderia will have no updates and improvements after singapore gp in f14t

[harry harris]

It's been a problem with our cr since 2012 and coincides with front pullrod. We won't go there, suffice to stay that has been an ever on going issue.

Agree with you. I wish our next year car should look like this
5906
or





:pray

[bkircher]

Does anyone know what the status of the new nose is?? I thought we were supposed to be getting a new nose around Canada, and yet we havent seen anything towards it.

[wacc]

There was never a quote that F14-T would get new nose. Do not believe romours concerning new updates next time. I remember during pre season testing people here saying Ferrari will bring new Mercedes' style nose to Australia :lol

[stefa]

Does anyone know what the status of the new nose is?? I thought we were supposed to be getting a new nose around Canada, and yet we havent seen anything towards it.

Status - drawing, simulating, testing CAD
Premiere - next years Ferrari F1 car

[Cemz85]

Guys, any news on next year f1 rules regarding the banana nose? I heard a while back they gonna alter it to appeal to the fans

[Hornet]

Guys, any news on next year f1 rules regarding the banana nose? I heard a while back they gonna alter it to appeal to the fans

I think it was one of the several rules approved in the recent meeting to confirm any rule changes for 2015. Haven't seen any drawings of it yet though.

[Kiwi Nick]

Guys, any news on next year f1 rules regarding the banana nose? I heard a while back they gonna alter it to appeal to the fans

Banana...appeal...I get it :nana

[Rosso Corsa]

Was it discussed anywhere why at Silverstone our wing started stalling mid race?

[Aberracus]

I read a small stone got stuck around lap 20, only stalled the wing at certain speed, wasn't found until the end of the race.

[giodap]

Red Bull have dominated F1's recent history, but Ferrari appear to be gearing up to wrestle control of their beloved sport back from Sebastian Vettel and company.

Although 2014 is the year of Mercedes, recent history tells the tale of Red Bull being the dominant team. The last four constructors' crowns have gone their way, while the last four drivers' championships have gone to their lead driver Sebastian Vettel.

Ferrari, meanwhile, haven't won a constructors' title since 2008 or a drivers' championship since Kimi Raikkonen's 2007 triumph. In this time they've had a steady slide backwards, with Fernando Alonso taking the fight to Vettel in 2010 and 2012, but doing so only by massively outperforming his car.

At first, it seemed like Ferrari were looking to bounce back by poaching top Red Bull talent. Before he re-signed with Red Bull, design guru Adrian Newey was given a “name your price” offer from Ferrari, which he turned down. There are also regular rumours of Ferrari angling to sign Vettel one day.

However, landing a single piece of talent is no guarantee of instant success. Look at Mercedes when they re-entered the sport in 2010; they hired Michael Schumacher, the most successful driver of all time, and he couldn't bring the team straight to the front. Neither could Alonso when he went back to Renault in 2008, or Jacques Villeneuve when he arrived at BAR in '99.

Besides, taking back on-track control would not guarantee that Ferrari regained political dominance. Right now, Red Bull are in a powerful position – they essentially have two votes on sporting matters as they have influence over their Toro Rosso feeder team, and they are backed by a billionaire owner who gives them the ability to outspend anyone. Much like Ferrari have their Italian Grand Prix at Monza, Red Bull now have the Austrian Grand Prix at the Red Bull Ring. Right now, they are tangibly bigger and more successful than Ferrari.


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But with their recent behind-the-scenes moves Ferrari appear to be trying to fight back and reassert their dominance by expanding their F1 empire.


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Firstly, Ferrari look to be getting into bed with Gene Haas. A few weeks ago in Canada, Haas – who will be entering his own American-based F1 team in 2016 – was a guest of Ferrari. At the time he said he was on a fact-finding operation for the logistics of running an F1 team; however at Silverstone the relationship went further as Haas Automation sponsorship popped up on the Ferrari cars.

Along with driving speculation that this means the Haas F1 team will use Ferrari engines when they debut, it also raises the possibility of a closer collaboration between the two teams. Haas is not new to motorsport - he runs one of the most successful NASCAR outfits going - and will have noted the struggles of HRT, Marussia, and Caterham since they entered the sport in 2010. A close tie-up with Ferrari would be hugely beneficial for getting Haas F1 off the ground, and it could give Ferrari the extra sway in the paddock as, much like Red Bull control Toro Rosso, Ferrari could assert its power over Haas.


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Elsewhere, the mysterious Forza Rossa team could be another outlet for Ferrari to exert some influence. Depending on who you believe, Forza Rossa have either been granted entry to F1 in 2016, are about to be granted entry, or are the money people behind the recent Caterham buyout. They also have very close ties to Ferrari, as the Forza Rossa business is the exclusive seller of Ferrari road cars in Romania.

If the team does show its hand, it could be another outlet for Ferrari to hold influence on a team and, by proxy, give them another voice in F1 political matters.

But along with accumulating teams under its influence, Ferrari will also be able to take on Red Bull in another area where the Anglo-Austrian squad currently dominate: driver development.

Red Bull currently has four drivers in F1: Sebastian Vettel, Daniel Ricciardo, Daniil Kvyat, and Jean-Eric Vergne – and the last few years has seen a few more come and go as well. Rather than rely on signing outside talent, they are able to keep all their development in-house. Ferrari, meanwhile, are not. Currently, they have three decent prospects: Jules Bianchi, Antonio Fuoco, and Raffaelle Marciello. The team are also known to rate Nico Hulkenberg very highly, although nobody really knows if their relationship goes beyond some doting eyes.


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However, Ferrari are in a conundrum with what to do with them as there is no room at the F1 inn. Ferrari don't hire rookies, and it'd take an insanely special talent to have them put an untested driver into one of their flagship cars. Right now they have Bianchi in F1 racing for Marussia, but apart from that they don't have access to any more seats.

Ferrari are putting more effort into driver development than ever, mainly because they are desperate to nurture a successful young Italian driver into somebody capable of winning races and championships in one of their cars. If they are linking up with more F1 teams, then it gives them greater access to seats to develop their drivers.

None of this, of course, will fix the recent slew of Ferrari's lacklustre cars. That requires an entirely different approach from the team, whether it be poaching top talent from elsewhere or vastly upgrading their factory facilities.

However, Ferrari have been in F1 long enough to know that form comes and goes. They'll be back on top eventually, of that there can be no doubt. What they need to ensure in the meantime is that Red Bull's expansive presence doesn't encroach on their position as the driving force behind F1. At the moment, it looks like the Prancing Horse is preparing to tackle the Bull head on.

[Catalan]

Sorry for the off topic.

A friend of mine told me this morning that yestarday he saw 2 FERRARI trucks in the AP7 highway heading South of Catalonia. Were they on their way to Idiada ( the test circuit in Tarragona that the Scuderia - and other teams - often use ) ?

[Winter]

Sorry for the off topic.

A friend of mine told me this morning that yestarday he saw 2 FERRARI trucks in the AP7 highway heading South of Catalonia. Were they on their way to Idiada ( the test circuit in Tarragona that the Scuderia - and other teams - often use ) ?

Shhh.. In season testing is not allowed at the moment 8-)

[F1NAC]

Shhh.. In season testing is not allowed at the moment 8-)


Yes it is. Straight line is allowed

[Winter]

Yes it is. Straight line is allowed

That's news to me.

[NickEice]

That's news to me.

Straight line tests at Idiada have been done the past few years by the teams. I'm not sure now with in season testing back if they have cut the straight line tests.

Here's a few links of Idiada tests from the past few seasons

http://m.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/280641/

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/05/18/red-bull-deny-breaking-testing-rules/

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/404240-teams-upgrades-china-rb-up-something.html

[gjoko-mkd]

This story has been translated with google translate

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Luca Marmorini responsible for the engines, leaving Ferrari

Marmorini first victim 'was Mattiacci pays deficiencies Ferrari engine design

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Raymond Blancafort 09/07/2014 18:21
Luca Marmorini, the head of the Scuderia Ferrari engines, have been relieved office this morning and likely leaving Maranello, reports Dieter Rencken, one of the 'gurus' Press G1 (Autosport and Motorsport-Total).

It is unclear whether Marmorini, the cessation of which it was taken for forced after the fiasco of the 'power unit' of Ferrari. Not expensive if the sustitutuo be Lorenzo Sassi or their deputies Matia Matiz and Mariz Martino.

Marmorini returned to Ferrari in 2009 after having been responsible for Toyota engines between 2004 and 2008. Occurred back when the Japanese abandoned their F1 project.

Sassi has spent recent months working on the changes to be made to the Ferrari engine for next year. This engineer had worked with Paolo Martinelli, the predecessor of Marmorini.

What is known is that shortly come to Maranello a dozen engineers from Mercedes. Although Farrari tried joining the head of the German engines, Andy Cowell, he has preferred to follow the star brand. According to Niki Lauda, ​​Ferrari has not managed to sign any of the Mercedes engineers considered essential.

IMPROVEMENTS IN THE MOTOR 2015

The current powertrain has several problems. V6 a portion not seem strong enough in part because the turbo is too small and perhaps also by the particular form in which the exhaust gases reach the turbine. Ferrari does not have a single turbine inlet but each cylinder bank has its own entrance. Honeywell is already planning a new turbo, the MGU-H included, for the engine next year.

Moreover, the ERS, the set of electric motors, does not seem to act in sync with the engine and this is Tradition in trouble when accelerating and braking.

Although the engines are 'approved' by five years, the FIA ​​allows the end of the season a number of adjustments and improvements in order to try that no dominant propellant.

The formula used for this is similar to that used in the "virtual links" of many sports. The engine has been divided into 66 components and assigned to each a certain 'value' as jokers. Facing the coming year, each rider will have a number of 'jokers' to spend and must thus choose the improvements introduced. Each season, the number of 'jokers' to use less.



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[DIEK]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPZ17JBg-UA

I know some of you don't like him (Pedro)...but after listening this video...don't look like a very professional and a nice guy? :-D

[tifosi1993]

Hockenheimring, Germany (17/07/2014)

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[gjoko-mkd]

New main plate of the front wing with only one slot:


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[Alessandra]

[

I know some of you don't like him (Pedro)...but after listening this video...don't look like a very professional and a nice guy? :-D

I've thought he's a very nice guy ever since I saw him some years ago at the British GP talking on a stage that Ferrari had set up near the track (no teams seem to do that now - the drivers don't seem to breath the same air as we do these days). Very friendly , with a sense of humour and excellent English. He seems to have built himself a niche career in F1. Never overly- ambitious, although I'm sure he would have loved to have done more racing, but due to his good nature and intelligence he's proved himself to be very valuable to a number of teams as a tester.

[Kiwi Nick]

Not only did they lose a slot in the FW main plane, they changed the profile and leading edge.

[wacc]

New main plate of the front wing with only one slot:


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New:
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That is the one they brought to Spain but as far as i know they have not raced it yet. http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/31736-F14-T-Development-amp-News?p=842237#post842237

[GrndLkNatv]

Pedro is just a top notch guy all around. He and Marc just very nice guys.. I spent a few hours with them in the motor home hospitality area at Monza last year and it was a lot of fun..


I've thought he's a very nice guy ever since I saw him some years ago at the British GP talking on a stage that Ferrari had set up near the track (no teams seem to do that now - the drivers don't seem to breath the same air as we do these days). Very friendly , with a sense of humour and excellent English. He seems to have built himself a niche career in F1. Never overly- ambitious, although I'm sure he would have loved to have done more racing, but due to his good nature and intelligence he's proved himself to be very valuable to a number of teams as a tester.

[tifosi1993]

Hockenheimring, Germany (18/07/2014)

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[DIEK]

I've thought he's a very nice guy ever since I saw him some years ago at the British GP talking on a stage that Ferrari had set up near the track (no teams seem to do that now - the drivers don't seem to breath the same air as we do these days). Very friendly , with a sense of humour and excellent English. He seems to have built himself a niche career in F1. Never overly- ambitious, although I'm sure he would have loved to have done more racing, but due to his good nature and intelligence he's proved himself to be very valuable to a number of teams as a tester.


Pedro is just a top notch guy all around. He and Marc just very nice guys.. I spent a few hours with them in the motor home hospitality area at Monza last year and it was a lot of fun..


:thumb



https://twitter.com/piusgasso/status/490437389505265664
Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari F14T Power Unit…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs5iNO-IUAAZ5sK.jpg:large
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs5iNO-IUAAZ5sK.jpg:large

[Alessandra]

I spent a few hours with them in the motor home hospitality area at Monza last year and it was a lot of fun..



Oooh
:giveup

:-D

[abbottcostello]

Hockenheimring, Germany (18/07/2014)



Looks like Kimi's car has the dual upright RW mount & Fernando's has the single upright mount? Is this a driver preference or a solution to different driving styles?
I would think one or the other would be deemed better & both cars would be the same, must be thinking wrong (as I often do!).

[SilverSpeed]

Both drivers can test different versions but i think they can choose what version they prefer to race starting with them on qualifying.

[jragona]

Interesting news about the exhausts:

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/925/1205.html

Its good news that they are able to work on these areas, but I am not sure why Ferrari are working on solutions with Marussia before themselves, apparently Marussia have been a step ahead other Ferrari engined teams including the factory team since Bahrain. To me this seems like the wrong way of working, can anyone think of any reasons behind helping a supplied team before their own team?

[Greig]

Interesting news about the exhausts:

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/925/1205.html

Its good news that they are able to work on these areas, but I am not sure why Ferrari are working on solutions with Marussia before themselves, apparently Marussia have been a step ahead other Ferrari engined teams including the factory team since Bahrain. To me this seems like the wrong way of working, can anyone think of any reasons behind helping a supplied team before their own team?

Free testing, we used to do the same with Sauber in the past.

[JacKy]

this thread should lock... No improvment so far and i don't think it wil..

[SilverSpeed]

Backwards improvement is improvement to technically speaking :-D.

[gjoko-mkd]

Vortex generator on Ferrari's diffuser -RB style


http://www.omnicorse.it/img/articoli/evidenza/40326_la-ferrari-con-i-generatori-di-vortice-nel-diffusore.jpg

[Kiwi Nick]

But, Ferrari said that the cars will be exactly like in Germany, because there were only 4 days between events.

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

I heard new exhaust system(official site) for scuderia in belgium as adpated by maurassia.what is its benfit.anyone can explain

[wacc]

I heard new exhaust system(official site) for scuderia in belgium as adpated by maurassia.what is its benfit.anyone can explain

The benefits are in the article....


One of Mercedes' secret weapons this season is the fact that their complete exhaust system is encased in a heat-containing cover. This has two benefits. First and most important is that heat is energy, so containing the heat in the exhaust system makes the turbocharger work more efficiently. This means that more energy from the turbo can be used to improve the performance of the MGU-H. Secondly, the more heat that can be contained in the exhaust system, the less heat is radiated into other engine components, so less overall cooling is required. Via Marussia, to whom they supply engines, Ferrari are also working on this area. Since Bahrain the MR03 has used a small carbon cover to simulate the bodied Mercedes solution, but at the recent Silverstone test and in Germany the exhaust has also been wrapped in a heat-resistant material. This is shown in the smaller drawing, while in the large image the red arrows show the inner part of the exhaust casing (the outer part will be fitted when the car is finally assembled). Ferrari are expected to have a similar solution for their F14 T ready for Belgium.

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

K.but ferrari has more disadvantaged car in hotter condition not only in v6 era it is from past also.the hotter tracks like hungary india etc ferrari shows less pace and its more in this season.can this solution overcome the problem

[SF4life]

Hi Guys & Girls,

first post :)

where's all the pics for today?

[tifosi1993]

Hungaroring, Hungary (Thursday, Friday, Saturday)

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[Rob]

Ferrari F14 T - oil tank repositioning, part one27 July 2014
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It may not be the winning car that Fernando Alonso expected - though it did come close in Hungary - but in the F14 T (upper drawing) Ferrari have produced by far their most radical car of recent years. The core aim of the project was to have an extremely efficient aero package, so all the internal components were studied with this goal in mind, in order to make the rear of the car as narrow as possible and to have a very efficient diffuser. A deep step in the chassis (1) at the front improves airflow under the car (2). The car's wheelbase (4) is around 15cm longer than its 2013 predecessor (lower drawing), with the engine moved slightly forward, allowing for a longer gearbox, which notably has the oil tank housed inside its casing (3) rather than between the engine and chassis (as has been the trend for the last 16 years ever since it was reintroduced to F1 racing by the likes of the Arrows and Stewart teams in 1998). On the power unit side, the team chose a very compact packaging design for the turbo-compressor-MGU-H layout, similar to Renault's (which, as has been well publicised, turned out to be less efficient than Mercedes 'split' solution), and placed the intercooler inside the V of the engine to save space. The exhausts are also shaped to help make the lower rear 'cola bottle' section of the car narrower and more aerodynamic.

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/926/1209.html

[Rob]

Ferrari F14 T - oil tank repositioning, part two27 July 2014
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These drawings show cross sections of the gearbox in Ferrari's current F14 T (top) and last year's F138 (bottom). This year's box is significantly longer and the yellow square highlights the area in which the team have housed the oil tank, inside the gearbox casing - something not seen in Formula One racing since 1998. Previously the tank was always located between the engine and chassis, minimising the necessary pipework and placing it closer to the car's centre of gravity.

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/926/1210.html

[Nova]

Hey Rob, what I notice is the overall stance of the car. Mabey it was camera angle, but the F14 looks higher and
at the front, just ahead of the cockpit, bulkier. Cant tell as much when they do a shot from the track, but overhead, it looks it to me.
Guess where Im talking about is where the drivers legs would be. It just looks higher at that point of the car.

Although the nbc feed focused a lot of the race on Ham, Im glad we were fighting at the last part of the race, as they did show the Ferrari's a bit more then. But they way they showd it, I didnt get to see more of the battles thruout the field.

As far as aero, the car does look a bit more glued and drivable than the 1st 4 or 5 races. The it looked like they were fighting it all day long.

[DIEK]

Ferrari F14T secrets by Mark Hughes

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The layout of this year’s Ferrari F14T has recently been uncovered, as these Giorgio Piola drawings show. What is revealed is a fairly radical car that was configured in an extreme way to maximise aerodynamic performance – even at the expense of power unit performance.

Central to the layout of the car has been the moving of the oil tank from the conventional place between the chassis and engine – a layout pioneered in the late ’90s by John Barnard’s Arrows and Alan Jenkins’ Stewart – to inside the gearbox casing. This has been done in order to move the engine as far forward within the wheelbase as possible which, together with increasing the wheelbase by around six inches over the 2013 car, has cleared space at the aerodynamically powerful lower rear of the car, potentially increasing the airflow capacity of the diffuser. Intercoolers nestle within the vee of the engine, allowing the sidepods to be narrower.

Although aerodynamically beneficial, the layout has prevented Ferrari from adopting the Mercedes-style split-turbo concept, whereby the compressor sits at the front of the engine with only the turbine at the rear, the two linked by a long shaft running through the vee of the engine. Using the Mercedes layout it has been possible to use a much bigger compressor than on the Ferrari (and Renault) engine where the size has been limited by not causing an airflow blockage in the aerodynamically sensitive rear ‘coke bottle’ area of the car.

The bigger compressor is at the heart of the Mercedes efficiency advantage over the Ferrari and Renault engines, allowing more power for a given fuel consumption. Now that the fuel consumption is effectively defined at each track by the fuel flow limit of 100kg/hour it means that Mercedes always has a substantial power advantage.

Furthermore, although the Ferrari F14T’s aerodynamic performance is believed to be quite respectable in isolation to the rest of the car, it appears still to be not the best in this area. In pre-season Bahrain testing Ferrari attempted to isolate its shortfall in pace by running the car disregarding the fuel flow limit in order to give approximate power parity with the Mercedes. In this form – which would be outside the regulations of a Grand Prix weekend – the car was only around 0.3s off the Mercedes rather than over one second when run to the regulation fuel flow limit. It indicated that although the power unit was responsible for more of the deficit than the aerodynamics, the aero was still lacking – a disappointing outcome when the concept of the car had been skewed in that direction, with compromises knowingly made on the power unit.

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Battery isolation

Here we see the full secrets of the Ferrari’s layout:

1) Deeply stepped chassis at the front to enhance underbody flow.

2) Forward-sited engine which together with long wheelbase has allowed more extreme ‘Coca-Cola’ bottle sectioning of the rear bodywork, increasing airflow speed over the downforce-producing components of the whole car. The faster the airflow over these components, the greater the downforce. The more extreme the curvature of the ‘Coca-Cola’ section can be – without the airflow becoming detached – the faster the airflow will be accelerated. Having more length for the bodywork to narrow allows a more extreme ‘Coca-Cola’ section.

3) Moving the engine forward and increasing the wheelbase length has required a longer gearbox.

4) The wheelbase is around six inches longer than that of the 2013 Ferrari.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/084-014-FERRARI-ENGINE-LAYOUT-2.-ARRjpg.jpg

Ferrari used a combined joined turbine/compressor just like Renault which has turned out not to be the optimum solution for power and efficiency.

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Gearbox comparison with the F14T’s being longer and containing the oil tank inside the case above the clutch space.

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Comparison between the front of the Mercedes and Ferrari engines. The Mercedes, with its tall vertical oil tank in the conventional position between chassis and engine alongside the unconventional front-mounted compressor.

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Stewart & Arrows: In 1998 one important revolution in the layout of F1 cars Alan Jenkins (Stewart) and John Barnard (Arrows) moved the oil tank from what was then the usual position inside the gearbox case (where Ferrari has re-sited it to this year) to the front of the engine in a position very close to the car’s centre of gravity, saving weight and doing a better packaging of all the pipes (extremely short). From the year after all F1 cars followed this trend until this year’s Ferrari.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/ferraris-2014-secrets/

[Majki2111]

So is the chassis bad or not?

[vcs316]

Fantastic article DIEK!! Many thanks for sharing it :-)

[Stebandelareina]

So is the chassis bad or not?

According with James Allison, is bad, or at least not as good as mer or rb.

[giodap]

Ferrari doing a Harry Potter on F1 cars?
Comment
48 minutes ago
MARANELLO, Italy - Marussia has led the way for a nearly 14kW power boost for struggling engine supplier Ferrari, says Italy's Autosprint magazine.

The mag says that at the upcoming "power circuits" - Belgium (August 24) and Italy (September 7) - Ferrari might have to thank engine customer Marussia for its extra speed.
Reportedly, the clever solution derives more power from Ferrari's turbo V6.

MAGIC PAINT = MORE KW?
Formula 1 correspondent Alberto Antonini refers to it as "a magic paint" that applies a shield to deliver more heat to the turbine.
Autosprint said Ferrari engineers wanted the innovation to be tested on the power units run by its F1 customer, back-marker Marussia.
It's believed that, amid the tight engine development "freeze", the International Automobile Federation will green-light the mid-season change on the grounds of reliability.

[bondilad]

Ferrari doing a Harry Potter on F1 cars?
Comment
48 minutes ago
MARANELLO, Italy - Marussia has led the way for a nearly 14kW power boost for struggling engine supplier Ferrari, says Italy's Autosprint magazine.

The mag says that at the upcoming "power circuits" - Belgium (August 24) and Italy (September 7) - Ferrari might have to thank engine customer Marussia for its extra speed.
Reportedly, the clever solution derives more power from Ferrari's turbo V6.

MAGIC PAINT = MORE KW?
Formula 1 correspondent Alberto Antonini refers to it as "a magic paint" that applies a shield to deliver more heat to the turbine.
Autosprint said Ferrari engineers wanted the innovation to be tested on the power units run by its F1 customer, back-marker Marussia.
It's believed that, amid the tight engine development "freeze", the International Automobile Federation will green-light the mid-season change on the grounds of reliability.

So that's around 20 horsepower. Does anyone know our deficit to the Merc engines ?

[giodap]

So that's around 20 horsepower. Does anyone know our deficit to the Merc engines ?

Ive heard various reports. Anything from 40 to 60 bhp

[bondilad]

Well if it's 40 then we are half way there :clap

come to think of it...... kimi wouldn't have got kicked out of Q1 hadn't it been for this "magic paint" :-D

[Kingdom Hearts]

Gazzetta said it is 15hp, don't get too excited.

[shamim179]

It's a little embarrassing that we have to use innovative ideas from Marussia to improve our PU output. We couldn't think of this ourselves? We should strongly consider running a sister team. Ferrari are in F1 for the long haul unlike some other teams and even they have a sister team.

[RedPassion]

Actually thats exactly whats happening,Marussia is doing the tests for us.

[jragona]

Were the ideas from Marussia or was it simply Ferrari getting Marussia to test them for it? I don't think Marussia came up with them or would have implemented changes to Ferrari's PU on their own. Ferrari were looking for some risk-free testing.

[RedPassion]

Were the ideas from Marussia or was it simply Ferrari getting Marussia to test them for it? I don't think Marussia came up with them or would have implemented changes to Ferrari's PU on their own. Ferrari were looking for some risk-free testing.
Each one of the Ferrari customer teams has their own Ferrari engeneers in it,Sauber and Marussia cant touch the engine exactly as the Mercedes and Renault customers,so yes it was a Ferrari idea.

[shamim179]

Each one of the Ferrari customer teams has their own Ferrari engeneers in it,Sauber and Marussia cant touch the engine exactly as the Mercedes and Renault customers,so yes it was a Ferrari idea.

That's a relief!

[Kiwi Nick]

Insulation the exhaust pipes to keep more heat energy in the gasses that flow through the turbo to the MGU-H is nothing new. Ferrari were the last engine maker to do so. That they may have found a clever coating that accomplishes what Merc and Renault do is good.

But, the exhaust heat harvesting and the article about the location of the oil tank in the tranny have got me thinking.

I think that the design team in Maranello have been pursuing a contrarian philosophy in search for an advantage over the competition. Most teams go to push rod, Ferrari goes to pull rod. Other teams put the oil tank in front of the engine, Ferrari puts it back in the tranny. Merc and Renault insulate exhausts, Ferrari does not...until new designers are brought in. Most teams use anteater nose, Ferrari goes with duckbill. Merc and Renault use big turbos, Ferrari uses smaller turbo. Increasing the wheelbase by more than 15cm over F138.

If we really dug deep, I think that you would find that Ferrari have made an effort to go away from the direction that other teams have gone. If they are doing it because they really have better ideas, that's great. But, if they are doing it just because they hope that be being different they will be better, that's stupid, and a sign of weakness!

[eslam1986]

photo of Ferrari engine exhaust with heat cover in marussia car
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[RedRebel40]

photo of Ferrari engine exhaust with heat cover in marussia car
5916

my motorcycle from the year 1992 has it too. That ain't rocketscience, so in my opinion it's pretty stupid they didn't think about that earlier.

[gjoko-mkd]

Tech Talk: Marussia innovation boosts Ferrari


http://www.f1times.co.uk//news/cache/images/marussia-tech-1.jpg

Ferrari will receive a power boost for the remaining races amounting to roughly 20 horsepower thanks to an innovation tested on the Marussia MR03 car. As shown in the image above (main), Marussia tested heat-shielding exhaust covers in Germany to reduce the amount of heat that is lost through the exhaust casing. The inset image shows Ferrari have yet to adopt the heat-shielding, but will reportedly run it from the Belgian Grand Prix thanks to Marussia's efforts. The idea, whilst not new and has been adopted by Mercedes, has two major benefits. Firstly, heat is energy. Therefore containing the heat in the exhaust will make the turbocharger work more efficiently, boosting power. Containing the heat will also help to cool the car and surrounding components, which means the team can run smaller cooling ducts which reduces drag. - See more at: http://www.f1times.co.uk/news/display/09178#sthash.mHfTx2fU.dpuf

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/496454/Tech_Talk_Marussia_innovation_boosts_Ferrari/

[gjoko-mkd]

And one another story by me:

Ferrari's weak points are clear
ESPN Staff
July 31, 2014 « Mercedes committed to equality between drivers - Lauda | Lauda: 'Why do we need Flavio?' »

The F14 T is underpowered, lacks downforce and handles badly © Sutton Images
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Ferrari technical director James Allison says the weaknesses of the team's car are clear this year, but admits it will not be the work of a moment to fix them.

Allison joined the team last year but arrived too late to have any significant impact on the design of this year's F14 T. Ferrari has struggled since the start of the year with its under-powered and overweight power unit but is also lacking downforce to the top teams.

"The weak spots are fairly clear," Allison said. "We don't have as much downforce as the people that are quicker than us, we don't have as much power as the people that are quicker than us and our car is too tricky to drive. It's got too loose a rear end and even with two drivers who are extremely sensitive drivers and gentle on tyres it tends to chew its tyres a bit quickly. It's very easy to point out where those weaknesses are, it's somewhat harder to set out a programme to address it, but that's what we are up to."

Allison is leading the project to improve the team's competitiveness next season and said he had shown the plans to Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen in recent weeks.

"Both our drivers have had our programme set out in front of them, and both of them had the opportunity to give us feedback, as they do on a continual basis about the weaknesses of our current cars. It is a great thing when the driver buys into what you are doing and we make an effort to try to make sure that they can see the plans that we have in place.

"Kimi is quite new to our team, and Fernando, I guess, has had some years of being with Ferrari and has not yet attained the goal that he wanted when he joined us. I guess he has sat through a few of these meetings already, I hope the presentations that I put his way, as well as a few of my colleagues, have been convincing but I guess you need to speak to him to get his view on that."


Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/170233.html#p2r5yFU0A54uMHUb.99

[Pitu]

I still don't understand the fact that why did our team knowingly opt for aero performance over engine performance when it was very much pellucid that engine performance would be the governing factor in this new hybrid era of Formula 1. This is really shocking for all of us:-??

[Rob]

I still don't understand the fact that why did our team knowingly opt for aero performance over engine performance when it was very much pellucid that engine performance will be the governing factor in this new hybrid era of Formula 1. This is really shocking for all of us:-??

Aero has been our weakness for past few years. Until testing, we didnt know the full extent of our PU downfall.:-s

[ManFromMilan]

we didnt know the full extent of our PU downfall.:-s



I know, or understand, that our combustion engine is not as powerful as we would have wanted, but how good exactly is our electrical side of the PU this year?

[Pitu]

Aero has been our weakness for past few years. Until testing, we didnt know the full extent of our PU downfall.:-s
Well I am really counting on James Allison to do some miracles on our next year car so that we can again have our glory days back just like 2000-2004 juggernaut.:pray

[AfterLife]

Well I am really counting on James Allison to do some miracles on our next year car so that we can again have our glory days back just like 2000-2004 juggernaut.:pray

I would rather prefer to see
1- no loophole exploration by RedBull for the next season.
2- Powerful and reliable Ferrari powerunit that can match Mercedes power unit.

[NickEice]

Guys let's also remember that the numbers that have been quoted about our 0.3 second defecit to mercedes on just the aero side was done in pre-season testing during Mercedes peak dominance with FRIC on the cars.

The gap to Mercedes has dropped as the season has progressed and removing their FRIC advantage we are probably on par with Mercedes with regards to Aero this year. Tied for 2nd to Red Bull. If we can get the PU and driveability issues solved we should have a chance at a very good challenger next year.

[NickEice]

Especially if JA improves our aero further. With Newey leaving we could have the best aero on the block next year!

[AfterLife]

Especially if JA improves our aero further. With Newey leaving we could have the best aero on the block next year!

I doubt Newey departure will be the same as Byrne. Maybe we did underestimate Byrne departure damage in those years or Brawn departure but RedBull (Christian Horner) won't repeat Ferrari's mistake i guess.

[Lebaronrouge]

I know, or understand, that our combustion engine is not as powerful as we would have wanted, but how good exactly is our electrical side of the PU this year?

My opinion is that the engine is so important because it is the first year with such a revolution. After that year, each year all the differents engine will converge to the same architecture and the same performance so, at the end, the aerodynamical evolution will be the only one way to make your difference.

And, because we need to build not just a good car, but an entire evolutionnary concept, I think Ferrari chose to focus on the aerodynamical part to be ready on time.

[ImportPer4mance]

Hi guys,

New here! Just wondering, am i the only one that is thinking that Ferrari will probably just develop a aero package for Monza, and then concentrate on just 2015? It seems pretty logical, i'm sure neither Ferrari nor the tifosi will want to be dominated by the merc engined cars in their home race. It seems plausible that Ferrari will just create a decent monza spec package so that Fernando and Kimi get decent results for the fans, and then move on to 2015. Because i mean for this season, Monza is probably the most important race for the team since we aren't fighting for either World Championships.

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

how much we can cover our engine lag in monza.surely merc and merc engines will dominate there like austria.so no updates are not useful

[Rishu]

I doubt Newey departure will be the same as Byrne. Maybe we did underestimate Byrne departure damage in those years or Brawn departure but RedBull (Christian Horner) won't repeat Ferrari's mistake i guess.

Don't forget even Prodomou has left RB & he was one of the key men behind fantastic aero of RB cars. They will be hit by departure of both Newey & Prodomou but they have solid base for next year's car & I doubt they will suddenly fall significantly

[Samcar222]

I put my money on a Williams to win Monza. I hope I'm wrong and a scarlet car laps the field, but... maybe next year. Excited for Belgium however, because Spa. :D

[f300v10]

AMUS seeming to confirm exhaust change to F14T:

"Ferrari is planning legal exhaust modification
A little detail on the edge. Rumor wants Ferrari coat its exhaust manifold with a lacquer to preserve more heat and thus energy in the exhaust tract. The homologation of the drive units allowed such an intervention as well as the local shell, the exhaust pipes on the model of Marussia. Only permanent mechanical changes in the exhaust are prohibited."

[ARUN M KARUNAN]

Especially if JA improves our aero further. With Newey leaving we could have the best aero on the block next year!

newey only leaves but the path he showed does'nt.and horner said they doesn't need a technical director to fill newey's vacuum.that means they that much confident.and their decision won't fail,that made them a middle runner team to high end team with in 10years

[Stormsearcher]

So what upgrades are we getting for SPA? Hope we have atleast something in the pipeline. Its so much more fun when we are competitive like in Hungary. :-)

[tifosi1993]

Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium (21/08/2014)

Wrapped exhaust to keep more thermal energy in the exhaust fumes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvjQvKlIYAAj8ce.jpg:large

via Tobias Gruner F1 (https://twitter.com/tgruener)

[zike]

Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium (21/08/2014)

Wrapped exhaust to keep more thermal energy in the exhaust fumes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvjQvKlIYAAj8ce.jpg:large

via Tobias Gruner F1 (https://twitter.com/tgruener)


So 20hp more?

[chandran2313]

Don't you think the same can be applied by all teams and they also can get 20 more bhp? If so then we will be still in the same place?

[zike]

Don't you think the same can be applied by all teams and they also can get 20 more bhp? If so then we will be still in the same place?

probably

[modza]

Don't you think the same can be applied by all teams and they also can get 20 more bhp? If so then we will be still in the same place?

Merc's already using it, so no 20HP for them ;)

[zike]

Merc's already using it, so no 20HP for them ;)

but is it 20HP or more?

[modza]

in Ferrari case - 20BHP (Brake Hamster Power)

[jragona]

in Ferrari case - 20BHP (Brake Hamster Power)

Maybe more the case of: Bloody Hurry-up Please!

:lol

[Paulpg87]

mattiacci said 15 hp but also said the race will be a pain in the a.. and we will see al the gap between us and mercedes powered cars.
Source: ita tv

Hope we can do something next year on the engine. My god what a disaster.

[tifosi1993]

Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium (21/08/2014)

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via Sutton

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[AfterLife]

+20 HP means we have passed RedBull already. Hope it will be the case considering there will be no upgrade from Renault.