F14-T- Development & News

[pavenc]

Most welcome mate. :-)

I thought you worked for Ferrari and I envied you for being able to attend all the F1 Racers. Thank for the pics all the same.

[tifosi1993]

I thought you worked for Ferrari and I envied you for being able to attend all the F1 Racers. Thank for the pics all the same.

Just a student here studying in engineering, but i would love to work there one day.

[mirafiori]

Just a student here studying in engineering, but i would love to work there one day.

I hope you do, that would be the best job in the world, but don't forget your buddies on this forum.:thumb Great pics.

[gjoko-mkd]

Compared 2014 Ferrari F14 T and 2013 Ferrari F138


http://thisisf1.com/2014/01/26/compared-2014-ferrari-f14-t-and-2013-ferrari-f138/

[Rob]

Domenicali: “Reliability the key in Australia”
http://i58.tinypic.com/imqtrd.jpg
Sakhir, 2 March–Testing prior to the start of the 2014 Formula 1 World Championship came to an end this afternoon in Bahrain and at the end of the day, Ferrari Team Principal Stefano Domenicali shared his thoughts with the journalists. “The rule changes for this season have been so radical that I’d say to get a consensus you would need further tests before the championship gets underway. In our case, we are taking a lot of data back home, which we will now analyse in depth. Some aspects deserve more attention to achieve the performance level we are looking for, while others maybe just need a bit of fine tuning. Once back in Maranello, we will do all in our power to rectify the things that aren’t working properly yet, so that we can be as well prepared as possible in Melbourne.”

Domenicali reckons this will be an unusual season, especially in the early stages. “I believe, we could see big changes from the first race to the second and from the second to the third, with everyone bringing in developments all the time. At first, reliability will be the key, because without it you don’t score points. I also think that some teams that are struggling at the moment will be able to catch up, while teams that currently seem to have a slight advantage could see a plateau in their performance, allowing the others to close the gap. From what we have seen so far, there are two teams out in front, Mercedes and Williams. After them, it could be us.”

For Scuderia Ferrari, the remaining twelve days to go to the first race will be busy. “From our side, we know there is still a mountain of things for our engineers to develop. What I’m interested in and what I have specifically requested is that we define a list of priorities and stick to it. One aspect we will definitely be looking at is the relationship between the turbo engine and the electric energy recovery systems and there’s much to do in this area. On the other hand, we return to Maranello knowing that the figures we saw from the car during the design phase have been correlated at the track and that’s already a good starting point.”

- See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/domenicali-reliability-key-australia#sthash.0bRrICUG.dpuf

[Rob]

Next stop Melbourne
http://i57.tinypic.com/2zpjh1s.jpg
Circuit: Sakhir circuit – 5.412 km
Driver: Fernando Alonso
Car: Ferrari F14 T
Weather: air temperature 21/26°C, track temperature 26/36 °C. Sunny.
Laps/Kms completed: 74/400
Best time: 1:34.280

Fernando Alonso was at the wheel of the F14 T for the final day of winter testing for Scuderia Ferrari and the other ten Formula 1 teams, prior to the start of the 2014 World Championship.

In the morning, the team worked with Fernando on fine tuning some electronic configurations linked to optimising the use of energy in the new power unit. Before the lunch break, work was halted by the need to change the gearbox on the car.

In the afternoon, the technical programme moved on to a series of short and long runs to check the management of systems on the F14 T.

Over the past four days in Sakhir, the F14 T has completed a total of 337 laps, equivalent to 1.823 kilometres.

“The team did its utmost to carry out changes on the car as quickly as possible, but again today, we had planned to do more laps than we managed” – Fernando told www.ferrari.com – “There are a lot of things to learn with the use of the power unit to improve the performance of the car and we are not yet where we want to be. Everyone in the team is very competitive and we are working day and night in order to get all the potential out of the F14 T as soon as possible. We have gone through twelve days of testing that were very demanding for everyone and I would like to thank the whole team for all its efforts.”

The next time the cars will be on track will be on Friday 14 March in Melbourne’s Albert Park, when the curtain goes up on the first free practice session for the Australian Grand Prix.

- See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/stop-melbourne#sthash.y8a18CoS.dpuf

[Senna4Ever]

Domenicali: “Reliability the key in Australia”
What I’m interested in and what I have specifically requested is that we define a list of priorities and stick to it.

- See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/domenicali-reliability-key-australia#sthash.0bRrICUG.dpuf

Wow, new management approach: make a priority list and stick to it ...
will take it with me maybe it can be used also outside motorsport business ...

[stefa]

Wow, new management approach: make a priority list and stick to it ...
will take it with me maybe it can be used also outside motorsport business ...

:thumb

[wacc]

Wow, new management approach: make a priority list and stick to it ...
will take it with me maybe it can be used also outside motorsport business ...

You now, Ferrari are always using sophisticated tools, whether it's a car developement or a team management :clap

[Alessandra]

Was delighted to hear that the wretched last three race double points super idea had been abandonned until someone
Pointed out to me that whilst the wording might be as I Understood it it could of course be that the last race still has double
Points , just not the last three!
Any thoughts?

[OSS EL BOSS]

Was delighted to hear that the wretched last three race double points super idea had been abandonned until someone
Pointed out to me that whilst the wording might be as I Understood it it could of course be that the last race still has double
Points , just not the last three!
Any thoughts?

Yes, indeed the last race still has double points.

[Alessandra]

Yes, indeed the last race still has double points.

Oh for goodness sake:roll
Thanks OSS EL BOSS

[hrc5555]

Pirelli announces tyre allocations for first four 2014 F1 races

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112738

[brawnydog]

Wow, new management approach: make a priority list and stick to it ...
will take it with me maybe it can be used also outside motorsport business ...

You and I can laugh, but we both know that not everyone gets that concept. It's easy to get distracted in any business and one of the key tenets in business is to stay focused on the priorities. Not every business can do this properly. I laughed too as it's just common sense on the surface. :clap Cheers mate!

[Rob]

Ferrari F14 T - new front wing02 March 2014
http://i57.tinypic.com/jaups3.jpg
In the final Bahrain test Ferrari introduced a completely new front wing, different in all details from the previous version (inset). The endplate (1) is simpler, with a thin vertical slot, while the main plane is more complex - beside the endplate (2) it is more curved, with two slots to better direct airflow on the outside. The new upper flap (3) is an updated version of the one introduced last year in Hungary, while the new main flap (4) and the other two flaps also have a different shape. Finally, the horizontal plate (6) is different, wider but still with the middle slot.

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/0/1153.html

[gjoko-mkd]

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/confronto-pance.jpg

[Jas]

tech analysis http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/479875/Tech_Talk_Ferrari_begin_adding_performance_parts/

[Kiwi Nick]

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/confronto-pance.jpg

Were the sidepods reshaped to accommodate better cooling?

[Hornet]

It does looks larger. The cooling outlet around the exhaust was also expanded. (there were some pic online showing the back and the difference is quite significant)

[Senna4Ever]

Do we know when our filming day will be?

Regards

[Bubbles]

http://www.newsf1.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/confronto-pance.jpg

They're tweaking the shape to (try to) solve the airflow problems in that region. I always thought the RB7-like bodywork is the way to go and Ferrari are leaning towards that. If they don't get those sidepod exits out of the way, they're going to mess up the airflow to the diffuser.

[mirafiori]

The latest photo of the F14T shows the rear end not quite so compact, maybe Ferrari looking for reliability towards cooling, it is important we finish the first race with both cars scoring points.

[fronaldo]

Do we know when our filming day will be?

Regards
I think it's already done during in between of two Bahrain test..Correct me if i'm wrong

[Reikai]

What do you think guys do in the first races?I am very glad about our reliability.I know it was only test sesions but it looks like we are not that fast as Mercedes and Williams.Our only hope is reliability.I can't wait for that race ! First GP is going to be great chance for Caterham or Marussia to get first points.

[RedPassion]

Were the sidepods reshaped to accommodate better cooling?
I think what they are trying to do is to expell hot air in an other point of the car.The bodywork is larger in the upper part but more undercut in the sidepods area,while it could looks like they are searching for more cooling it isnt really the case,i think they have seen in the windtunnel that is more efficient to escape the air from the exhaust zone(like Mercedes,Red Bull and Mclaren) than from the sidepods like the Ferrari cars of the last years.Cooling requirements are the same they are just expelling it in a different way

[RedPassion]

They're tweaking the shape to (try to) solve the airflow problems in that region. I always thought the RB7-like bodywork is the way to go and Ferrari are leaning towards that. If they don't get those sidepod exits out of the way, they're going to mess up the airflow to the diffuser.
I agree that they are trying to optimise the shape in that region but it has nothing to do with the sidepods exit messing everything,every team has to deal with it,the F14T has the typical overcut shape or the latest Red Bulls,they are just trying to improve it ever more,but i believe we are already mighty in that region.Think about it,we have the smallest sidepods frontal area of them all and this means that you should see less coke shape because you are starting from a narrower point,instead of that the F14T has an incredible extreme coke shape in the likeness of the RB10 or the W05 but as i already told you with less frontal surface,thats amazing:thumb

[raiden]

I do not believe that ferrari is behind mercedes nor williams, they have not shown their true form

[Nova]

Wow great pix. Wouldnt the nose dictate the airflow there to a degree? I actually thought we'd see a few nose variations during the tests, mabey they did, but they were subtle, but I couldnt find that in any pix.

[Kingdom Hearts]

I do not believe that ferrari is behind mercedes nor williams, they have not shown their true form

Maybe, but the same can be said about other teams.

[RedPassion]

The latest photo of the F14T shows the rear end not quite so compact, maybe Ferrari looking for reliability towards cooling, it is important we finish the first race with both cars scoring points.

I thought exactly the same but if you look at different pictures from different angles you will see that even if the upper bodywork is larger the coke shape is tighter.They added in the sidepods what they have taken from the coke zone where they believe there is more pace to be found.
Look at these pictures:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3697/12874463663_34a49bfda4_b.jpg New bodywork
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/12874805624_26ae070221_b.jpg Old bodywork
All rights go to Sutton Images.

[mirafiori]

I thought exactly the same but if you look at different pictures from different angles you will see that even if the upper bodywork is larger the coke shape is tighter.They added in the sidepods what they have taken from the coke zone where they believe there is more pace to be found.
Look at these pictures:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3697/12874463663_34a49bfda4_b.jpg New bodywork
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/12874805624_26ae070221_b.jpg Old bodywork
All rights go to Sutton Images.

Yeah I see what you mean, can't wait for the first race to see exactly what solution Ferrari end up with, Thanks for sharing the pictures.:thumb

[RedPassion]

Yeah I see what you mean, can't wait for the first race to see exactly what solution Ferrari end up with, Thanks for sharing the pictures.:thumb
You are welcome mate,Forza Ferrari:clap

[Ferris]

Some rumours emerging that Ferrari used different timing spots on track to mask their true pace... I'm not sure what to believe given all the comments coming from SD and Alonso.

If they prove to be very fast in Melbourne then they were clearly sandbagging which perhaps they are trying to do to get a favourable outcome regarding the turbo shielding issue and to have the competition focus on the developments of Merc and Williams who have been setting the pre season pace.

Even if we are behind (which i think we are) the majority of the work to improve is around software (to ensure better power delivery) which can be updated throughout the season, and aero also which we at least have a wind tunnel whose numbers are accurate this time around. The only concern we have that we cannot easily address is with respect to our fuel consumption and ERS overheating issue rumours. If these rumours are indeed true then these will be harder to address without compromising other area's of the cars performance.

The boys and girls in Maranello are no doubt very busy!

[giodap]

Ferrari has had a slight switch around in its management in recent days with the appointment of Antonello Coletta as the new Sporting Activities Director. He will report to Stefano Domenicali and the role seems to be similar to what other teams might called Chief Operating Officer. He will work alongside Technical Director James Allison, Engineering Director Pat Fry, Engine and Electronics Director Luca Marmorini and Production Director Corrado Lanzone, taking some of the administrative strain off Domenicali.

The 47-year-old Roman has been involved in the sport since 1991 when he started out with the Forti Corse team in Formula 3 and Formula 3000. Two years later he joined Peugeot Italy as Sporting Director and moved on to Alfa Romeo in 1995. He joined Ferrari in 1997 as the coordinator of the Ferrari Challenge and then in 2003 was put in charge of the Ferrari Corse Clienti department, overseeing customer racing activities. This role has now been expanded to include F1 as well.

[Winter]

Sorry to say, but even if we used "own sectors" for timing, it would only affect to quali simulation time.
It does not make any difference to our not so great race sim..

[Ferris]

Sorry to say, but even if we used "own sectors" for timing, it would only affect to quali simulation time.
It does not make any difference to our not so great race sim..

yes this is true unless the drivers continually slowed in a particular part of the track on every second lap. Only then can they truly mask the long run pace.
I find it hard to believe they would take this approach as there are so many things to get through that playing games like this hardly seems useful.

[stefa]

Once again. There is no such thing as sandbaging with very limited testing!!!!

[mark p]

yes this is true unless the drivers continually slowed in a particular part of the track on every second lap. Only then can they truly mask the long run pace.
I find it hard to believe they would take this approach as there are so many things to get through that playing games like this hardly seems useful.


Agreed but they could have ran a performance programme without full out lap. They may have been focusing engine to optimise for race when cannot run full power due to fuel. No point compromising any part of race programme for quali get perfect race map or data towards it as doubt they would have got it yet. To check they run quali sim on race power, they run high fuel on race power then full power on heavy fuel. They have 3 points of reference so can then work out point 4 which will be full power quali pace.

bottom line sort the car to be best over a race, it will quicker in quali but it will be what it will be with fuel out. Points on Sunday and optimum race performance is king. No compromise on race pace for quali.

[Ferris]

Once again. There is no such thing as sandbaging with very limited testing!!!!

I think what you mean is that there is no advantage in sandbagging when you have limited testing, not that it cannot be done as clearly it can, it just wouldn't make sense to do it. And as Mark P just mentioned, if you want to hide your quali pace for whatever reason it can be done whilst still working out for yourself what quali time you could have done.

All of this discussion is kind of futile anyway as there are bigger concerns that need to be addressed.

[mark p]

I think what you mean is that there is no advantage in sandbagging when you have limited testing, not that it cannot be done as clearly it can, it just wouldn't make sense to do it. And as Mark P just mentioned, if you want to hide your quali pace for whatever reason it can be done whilst still working out for yourself what quali time you could have done.

All of this discussion is kind of futile anyway as there are bigger concerns that need to be addressed.

Do you think there are any serious issues. I know it's gut feelings but I do not think there are any serious unexpected issues. I think the recent test just may have shown who guessed closest to optimum engine maps and gearing for example. In Australia things can turn on there head as now they will be all crunching the numbers gathered on all areas of the cars and the optimum solutions will be in place for Australia. It will then be down to which cars are best and who can develop most. All we have seen thus far is who is closest to the start line and they will all be pretty level in development stages come the 1st race. Renault excluded as they appear to have deeper issues.

[Ferris]

Do you think there are any serious issues. I know it's gut feelings but I do not think there are any serious unexpected issues. I think the recent test just may have shown who guessed closest to optimum engine maps and gearing for example. In Australia things can turn on there head as now they will be all crunching the numbers gathered on all areas of the cars and the optimum solutions will be in place for Australia. It will then be down to which cars are best and who can develop most. All we have seen thus far is who is closest to the start line and they will all be pretty level in development stages come the 1st race. Renault excluded as they appear to have deeper issues.

To be honest I think we are behind in a number of areas. My only real concern is with respect to fuel consumption as this is something that is harder to address and Ferrari seems to be talking about this more than other teams. There are a number of other areas where we are also behind but can be quickly clawed back and we wont be restrained from doing this also.

I am not worried on the aero side as clearly there is more to come there and we have good correlation (or so the team states). What I don't know is how good our software guys are in terms of integrating ICE with ERS delivery. This is very important for a number of reasons. Our "torque fill" algorithms do not seem to be at their optimum yet.

[Ferrari Rules]

Once again. There is no such thing as sandbaging with very limited testing!!!!

and what did Redbull do last year?

I know all is different but if the correlation is correct the simulator will also be correct, and with a working simulator you don't need to test for speed on track. what they needed to do they did, which was reliability testing!

Everything looks on track to me.. faith is the word.

[mark p]

To be honest I think we are behind in a number of areas. My only real concern is with respect to fuel consumption as this is something that is harder to address and Ferrari seems to be talking about this more than other teams. There are a number of other areas where we are also behind but can be quickly clawed back and we wont be restrained from doing this also.

I am not worried on the aero side as clearly there is more to come there and we have good correlation (or so the team states). What I don't know is how good our software guys are in terms of integrating ICE with ERS delivery. This is very important for a number of reasons. Our "torque fill" algorithms do not seem to be at their optimum yet.

With limited fuel flow i cannot see how the consumption is an issue. With unlimited flow it would be. Ferrari may well be talking about it as gameplan is fast race pace by not burning fuel with drag from df and where this equilibrium lies. RB went against the grain with extra short gearing with last set of rules?

[tifosi1993]

http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.f1sport.it/2014/03/04/f1-la-ferrari-avrebbe-ottenuto-altri-tempi-bahrain/%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DH9h%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel%3Dsb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&u=http://www.f1sport.it/2014/03/04/f1-la-ferrari-avrebbe-ottenuto-altri-tempi-bahrain/

:Hmm

[vcs316]

http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.f1sport.it/2014/03/04/f1-la-ferrari-avrebbe-ottenuto-altri-tempi-bahrain/%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DH9h%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel%3Dsb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&u=http://www.f1sport.it/2014/03/04/f1-la-ferrari-avrebbe-ottenuto-altri-tempi-bahrain/

:Hmm

That does sound encouraging. Hope its true :pray

[Hornet]

and what did Redbull do last year?

I know all is different but if the correlation is correct the simulator will also be correct, and with a working simulator you don't need to test for speed on track. what they needed to do they did, which was reliability testing!

Everything looks on track to me.. faith is the word.

This year, the teams barely got enough testing. Ferrari said we were not able to do all the testing we wanted. So sand bagging would be a dumb thing to do.

Actually nothing is as accurate as testing on track. Correlation doesn't translate to substitute, there are many things that cannot be simulated in CFD or wind tunnel. Both CFD and wind tunnel focus on aero characteristic only, but the car's working involves many other mechanical characteristic as well which cannot be simulated.

Put it this way. Ferrari isn't the only team with smart people. If we claim sandbagging is advantageous, why won't our competitors. If it's not useful to put everything together and see what performance can be achieve, why are our competitors doing it.

[Nero Horse]

http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.f1sport.it/2014/03/04/f1-la-ferrari-avrebbe-ottenuto-altri-tempi-bahrain/%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DH9h%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel%3Dsb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&u=http://www.f1sport.it/2014/03/04/f1-la-ferrari-avrebbe-ottenuto-altri-tempi-bahrain/

:Hmm

Wow, that does sound very interesting indeed and if it's really true then that would be simply wonderful! :-)

[Ferris]

With limited fuel flow i cannot see how the consumption is an issue. With unlimited flow it would be. Ferrari may well be talking about it as gameplan is fast race pace by not burning fuel with drag from df and where this equilibrium lies. RB went against the grain with extra short gearing with last set of rules?

Limited fuel flow is only on the max flow limit. It sounds like Merc may be able to deliver the same amount of power using less fuel and therefore staying well under the fuel flow levels of the Ferrari unit. When you listen to the comments of Alonso and SD it is quite worrying. They are looking for ways save fuel under deceleration, warm up laps, pit stops, etc.

They are fuel savaging wherever they can while Bottas has stated that he had no real issues on fuel efficiency on his two race sims... That is a worrying sign if you ask me.

[brawnydog]

To be honest I think we are behind in a number of areas. My only real concern is with respect to fuel consumption as this is something that is harder to address and Ferrari seems to be talking about this more than other teams. There are a number of other areas where we are also behind but can be quickly clawed back and we wont be restrained from doing this also.

I am not worried on the aero side as clearly there is more to come there and we have good correlation (or so the team states). What I don't know is how good our software guys are in terms of integrating ICE with ERS delivery. This is very important for a number of reasons. Our "torque fill" algorithms do not seem to be at their optimum yet.

I'm a bit confused. I thought Ferrari was strong on the fuel consumption front. See http://grandprix247.com/2014/02/07/ferrari-have-technical-tricks-up-their-sleeve-which-may-surprise-mercedes/
It's also been stated that the engine is very light and compact which can only benefit fuel consumption. It's also been rumoured that Mercedes may not have the most fuel-efficient engine. They may set the pace in qualifying but may have to switch down the engine during the race.

I also don't think Ferrari is yet where they want to be with aero. The new wind tunnel is exactly that - new. Yes, it's correlating correctly now, but they've only had it working for a short time which means less time than other teams to perfect their aero. Just my opinion. We'll see in Australia. Can't wait.

[brawnydog]

This year, the teams barely got enough testing. Ferrari said we were not able to do all the testing we wanted. So sand bagging would be a dumb thing to do.

Actually nothing is as accurate as testing on track. Correlation doesn't translate to substitute, there are many things that cannot be simulated in CFD or wind tunnel. Both CFD and wind tunnel focus on aero characteristic only, but the car's working involves many other mechanical characteristic as well which cannot be simulated.

Put it this way. Ferrari isn't the only team with smart people. If we claim sandbagging is advantageous, why won't our competitors. If it's not useful to put everything together and see what performance can be achieve, why are our competitors doing it.

A team could sandbag if they have something to hide, such as Ferrari's controversial engine cover, which is in danger of being protested.
http://grandprix247.com/2014/02/21/mercedes-and-renault-could-protest-ferrari-at-f1-season-opener-in-melbourne/

[Stormsearcher]

Everything looks on track to me.. faith is the word.

I tend to agree with this. I too feel we have been decent if not good in testing, which we havent really been last few years. I do get a feeling that its smoke and mirrors which the team is putting out to the media and we do have some pace we are hiding at the moment.
i think we will be pleasantly surprised come australia. :cflag

[Ferris]

I'm a bit confused. I thought Ferrari was strong on the fuel consumption front. See http://grandprix247.com/2014/02/07/ferrari-have-technical-tricks-up-their-sleeve-which-may-surprise-mercedes/
It's also been stated that the engine is very light and compact which can only benefit fuel consumption. It's also been rumoured that Mercedes may not have the most fuel-efficient engine. They may set the pace in qualifying but may have to switch down the engine during the race.

I also don't think Ferrari is yet where they want to be with aero. The new wind tunnel is exactly that - new. Yes, it's correlating correctly now, but they've only had it working for a short time which means less time than other teams to perfect their aero. Just my opinion. We'll see in Australia. Can't wait.

A lot of this is old news (a few weeks old which is old in F1 time) which given the information from the track during testing seems to suggest Ferrari is not in the most favourable position as originally outlined.

All i am saying is let's be realistic and not expect dominance nor expect disaster. There are likely area's that require more work, Ferrari has stated as much. The key is which area's require effort which cannot be addressed after the engine lock down. That is why i am largely concerned about fuel consumption as this will be harder to fix now that the engines have been locked down by the FIA.

All other area's, aero, software, etc. can be further enhanced as the season progresses.

We will be at the pointy end and have been pretty good on the reliability front; i would say even better than merc so we are no better than them on this front and certainly no worse.

[ALO]

" i think we will be pleasantly surprised come australia."... Yes I agree finally sucess soon to come

[Giallo 550]

Everything will be revealed in Australia.

[mark p]

Limited fuel flow is only on the max flow limit. It sounds like Merc may be able to deliver the same amount of power using less fuel and therefore staying well under the fuel flow levels of the Ferrari unit. When you listen to the comments of Alonso and SD it is quite worrying. They are looking for ways save fuel under deceleration, warm up laps, pit stops, etc.

They are fuel savaging wherever they can while Bottas has stated that he had no real issues on fuel efficiency on his two race sims... That is a worrying sign if you ask me.

To produce more power with less fuel means more power at same revs so more torque. With how tight the rules are I cannot see a night and day difference could occur. Even if one has a slight advantage the effect on fuel economy is likely very small. The biggest area i can imagine for power differences is thw engines integration with the ERS. If a differenc exists here it is possibly a mapping issue and with all the test data and analysis this week certainly possible to overcome by Australia if indeed an issue exists at all.

[FER]

Not everything actually. Red Bull's potential will be revealed as soon as they eliminate their engine problem, which could last some GPs. Lotus had some financial issues as well and they are a bit behind in develooping, so we could expect fast forwarding in the first third of the season.

[medeni73]

not so good thoughts about Ferrari from Leo Turrini...

" I'm worried ... ... .... Very worried. Honestly I was expecting something more, but I am afraid that in Maranello the watchword was: "first and foremost reliability because with that you win". Unfortunately it would seem that the latter is not at the level we had hoped (some too much failure) as well as problems remain with the perfect management of the PU, especially in torque (I saw footage of spectacular Tan idi Alonso and Raikkonen, but maybe pay rally, not in F1). Furthermore, as I have already written under the hood the day of presentation, from an aerodynamic standpoint, I haven't seen anything that has me excited ... ... ne in general forms, in particular that on other cars I have seen more attention. The two drivers have a warranty, but F1 is first and foremost speed ... ... ... ... If you can't find that, once you have placed all the troubles of engine could be yet another rude awakening"

[jgdswaran]

ROLLE, Switzerland, March 5, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Honeywell (NYSE: HON) Turbo Technologies will boost the engines of the Scuderia Ferrari Formula 1 car in 2014. Formula 1 is adopting a new rules package that requires cars to be turbocharged marking a new technical era for the pinnacle of global motorsport racing.

Honeywell will support the Scuderia Ferrari team with the unique technical challenge of moving to an all-new turbocharged 1.6L V6 engine from a 2.4L naturally-aspirated V8 configuration used from 2006 through 2013. This downsized 1.6L engine will produce the equivalent power of a production Honeywell turbocharged 16L commercial vehicle engine. The new downsized turbo engines are also designed with the latest in energy recovery technology to support other systems in the race car.

"To win in Formula 1, our powertrain system must have no weak links," said Luca Marmorini, Scuderia Ferrari Engine and Electronics Director. "To ensure that, we choose partners with impeccable reputations and experience in delivering innovative, high quality products and services. Honeywell's turbochargers helped us find the downsizing solutions we needed to meet the new rules without compromising the performance."

As Formula 1 adopts global passenger car trends for downsizing and turbocharging to improve fuel economy and emissions without sacrificing driving performance, its 2014 engine formula represents an exciting look at specific technologies -- including in the area of heat energy recovery -- which could shape more advanced passenger vehicles in the years to come.

"We are very excited to be collaborating with the most successful team in the history of Formula 1 on what is an extremely challenging new rules package which brings turbocharging to the forefront of this motor racing series once again," said Honeywell Vice President of Advanced Technologies and Motorsport Gavin Donkin. "Honeywell has a 60-year legacy of developing turbocharger technology leveraging our jet engines business within Honeywell. It continues to be a tangible point of differentiation for Honeywell Turbo to the point where we've joked with Scuderia Ferrari that given the sophistication of the turbos we are providing, that many of us consider them to be our lowest altitude aerospace customer."

Honeywell continues to be a leader in global turbo technology averaging 100 new turbo launches a year for global passenger and commercial vehicle applications in partnership with nearly every major global auto maker. In addition, Honeywell is supporting the industry with hundreds of applications already in its development pipeline.

About Honeywell Turbo Technologies

Honeywell Turbo Technologies (http://turbo.honeywell.com/) is the leading automotive turbocharger supplying technology solutions to nearly every major automaker and truck manufacturer in the world. The Turbo Technologies business is part of Honeywell Transportation Systems. Honeywell Transportation Systems enhances vehicle performance, efficiency and appearance through state-of-the-art technologies, world-class brands, and global solutions tailored for its automotive customers around the world.

Honeywell (www.honeywell.com) is a Fortune 100 diversified technology and manufacturing leader, serving customers worldwide with aerospace products and services; control technologies for buildings, homes and industry; turbochargers; and performance materials. Based in Morris Township, N.J., Honeywell's shares are traded on the New York, London, and Chicago Stock Exchanges. For more news and information on Honeywell, please visit www.honeywellnow.com.

Photo - http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20140305/LA76919

SOURCE Honeywell Turbo Technologies

/CONTACT: Michael Stoller, +1 734 392 5525, michael.stoller@honeywell.com; Liz Svilane, +32 (0) 2 894 90 14, esvilane@webershandwick.com

/Web site: http://turbo.honeywell.com

[f300v10]

Conformation the F14T was fastest in a straight line in winter testing:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/top-speed-analyse-in-bahrain-ferrari-top-auf-der-geraden-8165979.html

[Ferris]

To produce more power with less fuel means more power at same revs so more torque. With how tight the rules are I cannot see a night and day difference could occur. Even if one has a slight advantage the effect on fuel economy is likely very small. The biggest area i can imagine for power differences is thw engines integration with the ERS. If a differenc exists here it is possibly a mapping issue and with all the test data and analysis this week certainly possible to overcome by Australia if indeed an issue exists at all.

The comments from Alonso and SD addressed two areas:
1. How Merc has managed to get more power given the fuel flow restrictions - This says to me that Merc do have more peak power than Ferrari which would be useful for qualy
2. Fuel efficiency and the need to find alternate ways and opportunities to save fuel as I outlined earlier.

I agree that the integration of the ERS is a fundamental development path but for me it is not a big issue as this is not something that is closed off with the freezing of the engines on the 28th of Feb. This is mainly software which can continually be upgraded.

So although ERS will go some ways to helping power delivery and fuel efficiency I don't think that by itself it is the silver bullet.
Peak power certainly is not something we can have much of an influence over now with the engines locked down so on power circuits (Monza, Spa, Canada, etc.) I don't expect Ferrari to fair well in qualy.

More will be known in a few weeks. Plenty of work to do and no doubt the team are doing it!:thumb

[Bubbles]

Niki Lauda said the Merc fuel engine produces 580 horsepower, meaning the extra overall power comes from the electric motor alone. I remember during the winter watching an interview somewhere with Luca Marmorini where he said their fuel engine produces between 600 and 650 horsepower. Now, that clearly means the Ferrari V6 is more powerful than the Merc V6. It also means that any power deficit Ferrari has is due to the ERS parts.

Even at 600 hp, Ferrari's got 20 hp advantage over the Merc engine. Now, if they could get that ERS to work properly...

EDIT: That's 55 hp deficit on ERS, and it could swing in Ferrari's favor fast, especially since the Merc doesn't seem to have any problems and they've been probably running close to full power during testing. If that's the case, then Merc should be affraid.

I still think the F14 Ts aero is garbage and Red Bull will steamroll the field once they solve their problems.

[Ferris]

Niki Lauda said the Merc fuel engine produces 580 horsepower, meaning the extra overall power comes from the electric motor alone. I remember during the winter watching an interview somewhere with Luca Marmorini where he said their fuel engine produces between 600 and 650 horsepower. Now, that clearly means the Ferrari V6 is more powerful than the Merc V6. It also means that any power deficit Ferrari has is due to the ERS parts.

Even at 600 hp, Ferrari's got 20 hp advantage over the Merc engine. Now, if they could get that ERS to work properly...

EDIT: That's 55 hp deficit on ERS, and it could swing in Ferrari's favor fast, especially since the Merc doesn't seem to have any problems and they've been probably running close to full power during testing. If that's the case, then Merc should be affraid.

I still think the F14 Ts aero is garbage and Red Bull will steamroll the field once they solve their problems.

Interesting, i would have thought they could get more from the ICE, hell my stock twin turbo V6 has similar HP to them. Now all i need to do is get the total weight down...:lol

If the Ferrari ICE is indeed more powerful than the Merc, perhaps this is what is causing the problem for Ferrari as the power delivery is too "peaky". So whereas Merc uses ERS to deliver peak power, Ferrari needs to use ERS to smooth the power delivery.

Both approaches have their pros and cons but I think Merc's approach is more responsible in terms of getting a running start on the campaign as it means their software guys have less to do to make up for any torque bumps in the ICE. Ferrari's may prove valuable as the season progresses.

[Nero Horse]

I still think the F14 Ts aero is garbage and Red Bull will steamroll the field once they solve their problems.

Oh well then it must be true when it's coming from a "real aerodynamic expert" like you LOL... :roll

Like I've already said previously, stop pretending like you know what you're talking about!

[Ferris]

Oh well then it must be true when it's coming from a "real aerodynamic expert" like you LOL... :roll

Like I've already said previously, stop pretending like you know what you're talking about!

I agree. It is far too early to comment on aero. If you look at RB, their aero is very "plain" also but that probably means their base platform works very well that they don't need a plethora of aero appendages to further direct the air.

Only 11 more days people. Chill.

[Bubbles]

Interesting, i would have thought they could get more from the ICE, hell my stock twin turbo V6 has similar HP to them. Now all i need to do is get the total weight down...:lol

If the Ferrari ICE is indeed more powerful than the Merc, perhaps this is what is causing the problem for Ferrari as the power delivery is too "peaky". So whereas Merc uses ERS to deliver peak power, Ferrari needs to use ERS to smooth the power delivery.

Both approaches have their pros and cons but I think Merc's approach is more responsible in terms of getting a running start on the campaign as it means their software guys have less to do to make up for any torque bumps in the ICE. Ferrari's may prove valuable as the season progresses.

I agree.

[Bubbles]

Oh well then it must be true when it's coming from a "real aerodynamic expert" like you LOL... :roll

Like I've already said previously, stop pretending like you know what you're talking about!

I don't feel aerodynamic. :-) ... but I guess you were trying to say "aerodynamics expert".

[Nero Horse]

I don't feel aerodynamic. :-) ... but I guess you were trying to say "aerodynamics expert".

Whatever, just stop spreading your doom and gloom nonsense and stop pretending like you know everything! You don't know who has the best aerodynamic solutions, unless you work in F1 as an aerodynamics engineer, so you really need to stop presenting your arguments as fact. All you do is come here bash the team and talk about how bad and wrong everything is at Ferrari and how good and right everything is at Red Bull or other teams. Go to Red Bull forum and praise your beloved Red Bull there as much as you want, but stop talking ignorant made up crap about Ferrari.

[Kiwi Nick]

When a Romanian is correcting your use of English, things are getting serious.:-)

[mark p]

The comments from Alonso and SD addressed two areas:
1. How Merc has managed to get more power given the fuel flow restrictions - This says to me that Merc do have more peak power than Ferrari which would be useful for qualy
2. Fuel efficiency and the need to find alternate ways and opportunities to save fuel as I outlined earlier.

I agree that the integration of the ERS is a fundamental development path but for me it is not a big issue as this is not something that is closed off with the freezing of the engines on the 28th of Feb. This is mainly software which can continually be upgraded.

So although ERS will go some ways to helping power delivery and fuel efficiency I don't think that by itself it is the silver bullet.
Peak power certainly is not something we can have much of an influence over now with the engines locked down so on power circuits (Monza, Spa, Canada, etc.) I don't expect Ferrari to fair well in qualy.

More will be known in a few weeks. Plenty of work to do and no doubt the team are doing it!:thumb

I think are thoughts are on the same wavelength i am playing devils advocat. Ferrari did have highest speed figures however. I know wing angles are crucial to this but i see know pictures of Ferrari with low wing angle v Merc with large wing angles and with current press reporting of Ferrari I would have thought a comparison like this would enable the press to shoot down Ferrari's top speed figures but no comparison wing angle pics....

[Kiwi Nick]

I think are thoughts are on the same wavelength i am playing devils advocat. Ferrari did have highest speed figures however. I know wing angles are crucial to this but i see know pictures of Ferrari with low wing angle v Merc with large wing angles and with current press reporting of Ferrari I would have thought a comparison like this would enable the press to shoot down Ferrari's top speed figures but no comparison wing angle pics....

The differences in wing angle settings are virtually imperceptible. Perhaps a centimeter or two of range. That is why nobody picks it up from photos. The affect is far greater than the image. Observers know whether a car is set for high or low down force by its times.

Of course this assumes that the team hasn't changed wings. It would be obvious if a team had cone to a Monza style rear wing vs. a standard wing. But adjusting the angle of attack on a front wing is very, very hard to see.

[mark p]

The differences in wing angle settings are virtually imperceptible. Perhaps a centimeter or two of range. That is why nobody picks it up from photos. The affect is far greater than the image. Observers know whether a car is set for high or low down force by its times.

Of course this assumes that the team hasn't changed wings. It would be obvious if a team had cone to a Monza style rear wing vs. a standard wing. But adjusting the angle of attack on a front wing is very, very hard to see.

Do you think the top speed figures were not related to low downforce but due to them using full power which is what they are struggling to do as consistent as Merc teams. I say this as the 34.2 lap the speed was 308 so down by nearly 32kph. Seems a huge figure only for a subtle wing angle change?

[RedPassion]

Do you think the top speed figures were not related to low downforce but due to them using full power which is what they are struggling to do as consistent as Merc teams. I say this as the 34.2 lap the speed was 308 so down by nearly 32kph. Seems a huge figure only for a subtle wing angle change?
Mark P is right.If the F14T was not running full ERS power its impossible to have the highest top speed just by less wing.To have a great top speed you need great traction too and if the Ferrari is already sliding in the slow corners because of the torque, the reduced wing would be only damaging the top speed.My humble opinion is that the F14t has a good power unit with a couple of glitches to solve,and a good downforce level.Think about it,Allison said a couple of months ago that the car was producing interesting numbers in the wind tunnel,first Allison and now Domenicali confirmed that the wind tunnel correlates,Ferrari brought a big updates package for the first race(bigger than in 2011):New front wing,new turning vanes under the nose more similar to the F138,almost nobody wrote about it,new underbody in particular the splitter,almost nobody wrote about,slightly different sidepods barge board,new bodywork,new rear brake ducts,new very interesting rear wing and new diffuser.If all these updates are at least worth 0.5 seconds(very pessimistic),why should we dispair?We may not have the fastest car yet,but we have potential.

[f300v10]

Do you think the top speed figures were not related to low downforce but due to them using full power which is what they are struggling to do as consistent as Merc teams. I say this as the 34.2 lap the speed was 308 so down by nearly 32kph. Seems a huge figure only for a subtle wing angle change?

The effect on top speed of a change to the front wing flap angle would be very small. Consider that using DRS only adds approximatly 15 to 20 KPH to the top speed, and that is MUCH larger change in drag than any front wing change would produce. The difference in the Ferrari top speeds would likely be down to two things: 1) DRS was used on one lap, but not the other. 2) Full PU power was only used on the 339 kph lap. Or perhaps both 1 and 2. I don't know how often DRS is used on the front stretch during these tests.

[Winter]

If I remember correct(not sure that I do), both divers used that old, simple looking frontwing at some point on their both testing days. At least that old wing looks like it would generate less drag and downforce than the new, more complex one. Maybe those high top speeds was made with that old wing..

[RedPassion]

If I remember correct(not sure that I do), both divers used that old, simple looking frontwing at some point on their both testing days. At least that old wing looks like it would generate less drag and downforce than the new, more complex one. Maybe those high top speeds was made with that old wing..
The most drag is produced by the rear wing,the front wing produces little drag when compared,and the difference between the two front wings would be negligible.

[gvera]

Lunch break, don't think Bahrain looked like this.
5765

[Kiwi Nick]

Lunch break, don't think Bahrain looked like this.
5765

Flat 12!!!!

[GrndLkNatv]

Flat 12!!!!

Note the bottles of Lambrusco!! I remember these days!!

[Ferris]

Do you think the top speed figures were not related to low down force but due to them using full power which is what they are struggling to do as consistent as Merc teams. I say this as the 34.2 lap the speed was 308 so down by nearly 32kph. Seems a huge figure only for a subtle wing angle change?

Another thing to remember here is that those top speeds were not hit consistently but only on a few occasions. In other words Ferrari didn't run full power on the ERS consistently during the weekend, just on a few occasions to test the performance but they clearly had reliability concerns and therefore did not run it at full power very often at all.

Merc on the other hand was very close to our top speed but hit those VMax's lap after lap.

We have some work to do. But it will be done!!!

[Ferris]

Another interesting piece of info. Merc think we are not sandbagging and that our test performance is exactly where we stand.
Force India believe we are sandbagging and have been from the start.

They both have their reasons for stating their positions but one thing is certain, no one really knows for sure where Ferrari is at... except for Ferrari.
If they were sandbagging, they certainly wouldn't be telling anyone they were.

10 more days.

[Tifoso]

What good would sandbagging do, though?

Other teams: boy Ferrari sure is slow. We can give our development boys a few months off.

*after smashing Ferrari 1-2 in Oz*

Other teams: man, they sure fooled us. We better start developing double time.


What am I missing? :oops

[mark p]

Another interesting piece of info. Merc think we are not sandbagging and that our test performance is exactly where we stand.
Force India believe we are sandbagging and have been from the start.

They both have their reasons for stating their positions but one thing is certain, no one really knows for sure where Ferrari is at... except for Ferrari.
If they were sandbagging, they certainly wouldn't be telling anyone they were.

10 more days.

Although we cannot be certain it seems like over the past few pages we all agree Ferrari has intermittent full ERS and unlikely although not impossible this is on purpose.

If issue exists if its a physical issue it may take longer than hopefully a software issue which in theory should be solved quicker by trolling through all the data gathered, hopefully by the 1st race. I beleive to some exyent the issue would have been faced by Merc but likely solved between Jerez and Bharain 1 if its software. Merc engine teams worked on maps together to speed the process up and they had more total mileage.

I hope if an ERS issue is there it is software and simply a part of the development process that even Merc have had to go through i hope just a case of being a phase behind in pu development.

[Ferris]

What good would sandbagging do, though?

Other teams: boy Ferrari sure is slow. We can give our development boys a few months off.

*after smashing Ferrari 1-2 in Oz*

Other teams: man, they sure fooled us. We better start developing double time.


What am I missing? :oops

Well if you look at car development over the last 4 years, the fastest car (RB) was looked at and either copied or protested against.
Ferrari has an impending problem with respect to the turbo shielding approach they have used and the threat of protest from Mercedes and Renault. Being perceived to be slower may put less pressure on them from the other teams on this issue.

The other element is that they could divert attention to the "faster" teams in terms of their solutions and not have people pay too much attention right now to the developments of the Ferrari and hence buy them a few more weeks jump on the competition.

In looking at Ferrari this year it seems they have been very secretive right from the start (just look at the engines and who said and presented what) so I see no sense in this not continuing.

In addition "sandbagging" does not mean Ferrari don't know how fast they are. This can be worked out very easily, they don't need the official timing sections on the track to work out their true speed, and in fact it has been stated that they actually used different timing loops to the official ones during the test.

You only do that to hide your real speed. Whether it is because they are slow or fast and want to hide it is anyone's guess.

Trying to hide your speed from the competition is beneficial if it doesn't make your life too difficult and the way Ferrari did it would be easy to work with.

[Ferris]

Although we cannot be certain it seems like over the past few pages we all agree Ferrari has intermittent full ERS and unlikely although not impossible this is on purpose.

If issue exists if its a physical issue it may take longer than hopefully a software issue which in theory should be solved quicker by trolling through all the data gathered, hopefully by the 1st race. I beleive to some exyent the issue would have been faced by Merc but likely solved between Jerez and Bharain 1 if its software. Merc engine teams worked on maps together to speed the process up and they had more total mileage.

I hope if an ERS issue is there it is software and simply a part of the development process that even Merc have had to go through i hope just a case of being a phase behind in pu development.


From the info available it looks like Ferrari had a cooling issue with the ERS and had to run at reduced power to stop this from overheating. This may also have affected the development of the ERS with the rest of the PU from a software perspective.

I think they are behind on both fronts as the revised side pods during the test to allow for greater cooling suggests they had some excessive heat issues.
Also the plumbing on the body work (makeshift) during the first test suggested the ERS system was also running too hot.

They will work it out.

[Majki2111]

I really don't understand the article. It says that Ferrari might be sandbagging, but I haven't found a good reason why it could be like that.
And how can you possibly belive that they were using different timing loops??????? I think it is just rubbish media story.

[Ferris]

I really don't understand the article. It says that Ferrari might be sandbagging, but I haven't found a good reason why it could be like that.
And how can you possibly belive that they were using different timing loops??????? I think it is just rubbish media story.

The different timing loops was discussed last week and confirmed by people in the paddock. It's not a new thing.
Everything being discussed here could be rubbish, perhaps we should just close down the forum and wait for the official information only from Ferrari when it comes... Still waiting for an image from Ferrari on their PU... Oh that's right they only released one which was later to be seen to be not the one that they are using...

Still think they are not trying to hide anything?

Naive much?

[Forzi]

From Autosport:
"Domenicalli just said to an italian tv what any wise fan already realized from testing:"


from scuderia.net, domenicalli from tv interview - we have problems with rear tyre degradation - engine too aggressive and too much torque - we have problems running batteries at full power and we run during tests without full power (not cause we wanted to but cause we weren't able to do so) - we lack in traction in slow corners and downforce in high speed corners - we must run low downforce due to fuel consumption. - Our engine has higher consumption and we are forced to run low downforce to reduce drag. In fact we recorded top speed but we are slow in cornering. - Overall rumors agree we are far behind mercedes (more than 1s) - Domenical in tv said we are behind mercedes and williams.. and not by a small margin. Focus is already on catching the competition.

[Ferris]

From Autosport:
"Domenicalli just said to an italian tv what any wise fan already realized from testing:"

The biggest concern is around fuel consumption. Everything else can be addressed through the season but the fuel consumption is largely driven by the ICE which is now locked down.

[Majki2111]

The different timing loops was discussed last week and confirmed by people in the paddock. It's not a new thing.
Everything being discussed here could be rubbish, perhaps we should just close down the forum and wait for the official information only from Ferrari when it comes... Still waiting for an image from Ferrari on their PU... Oh that's right they only released one which was later to be seen to be not the one that they are using...

Still think they are not trying to hide anything?

Naive much?Domenicali said tey are behind Williams and Mercedes...

[emirBoz]

Raikkonen : "There is a lot of talk outside about problems, but inside the team we have a very good feeling"

we will see :thumb

[Ferris]

Domenicali said tey are behind Williams and Mercedes...

What does that have to do with trying to hide their real performance? The two are not related.

[Ferris]

Domenicali said tey are behind Williams and Mercedes...

I think elmo from sesame street is really funny... See what I did there Maj?:lol

[Majki2111]

What does that have to do with trying to hide their real performance? The two are not related.
They would not say that if they were not.


I think elmo from sesame street is really funny... See what I did there Maj?:lolDon't understand you.

[Ste]

From Autosport:
"Domenicalli just said to an italian tv what any wise fan already realized from testing:"
There's nothing on Autosport saying thing...

[Ferris]

They would not say that if they were not.

Don't understand you.

Just because they say they are slower it does not mean they were not trying to hide their pace. I don't understand how you can't see the two are unrelated.

Also I am not surprised you don't understand me; I have a brother in law who is also Croatian, he rarely understands my comments either but that's because he doesn't have a sense of humour.

[Majki2111]

Just because they say they are slower it does not mean they were not trying to hide their pace. I don't understand how you can't see the two are unrelated.

Also I am not surprised you don't understand me; I have a brother in law who is also Croatian, he rarely understands my comments either but that's because he doesn't have a sense of humour.Yeah, Croatian humor and British huimor is totally different.

[Ferris]

Yeah, Croatian humor and British huimor is totally different.

Yeah... kind of the point I was trying to make, but not exactly. :lol

All good. Hopefully we will have something positive to discuss after Melbourne.

[Majki2111]

Yeah... kind of the point I was trying to make, but not exactly. :lol

All good. Hopefully we will have something positive to discuss after Melbourne.

Agree.

[Kiwi Nick]

Of all the people who have commented I will believe the one guy who is less inclined to ...I believe Kimi!

Raikkonen : "There is a lot of talk outside about problems, but inside the team we have a very good feeling"

[nikola0406]

I realy have a good feeling about this season. Didnt feel this way for a long time. So we will win this. Trust me mates.B-)

[Majki2111]

Where did you find that statement?

[Forzi]

There's nothing on Autosport saying thing...

It's from the forums of autosport.com in the ferrari thread. Seems it's been on italian tv a few days back. Not really sure wheres the correct source. Somewhere from scuderia.net. Can't really dig in to this as im now writting from a mobile and am busy. Anyone wanna try finding the source and if stefano really said it on tv?

[Majki2111]

It's from the forums of autosport.com in the ferrari thread. Seems it's been on italian tv a few days back. Not really sure wheres the correct source. Somewhere from scuderia.net. Can really dig in to this as im now wwritting from a mobile and am buisy. Anyone wanna try finding the source and if stefano really said it on tv?

I only see F14T threat. LOL

[windwaves]

Very few things to be taken seriously out of that forum and certainly not that one.

[pluto]

From Autosport:
"Domenicalli just said to an italian tv what any wise fan already realized from testing:"

lol, lets hope these comments are fabricated because if they are a true it means the car is horrible in every single way, and is a complete mule. It cant be this bad, lacking, traction, power, down force, poor fuel consumption, tyre degradation. It sounds like someone describing a maruissia.

[Nova]

Looking closer at the different nose designs pic'd in another thread, Ferrari n Merc noses are close,
although the mercs is higher allowing more air, looking at the F14's, it looks as though its nose doesnt have free airflow but its as if they found something
whereas the air is squeezed thru and around that design nose, almost as if the air squeezed thru the back of the nose design would exit said design w/much higher force than a more open design, creating a stronger airflow exit toward wherever they are intending it to go. Cant help myself, as Ive been looking at the F14T nose since it came out trying to understand what they r trying to do. Looking at the Newey design, they have the most traditional looking nose of the bunch, and not that different than last years. Both they and lotus used the step design nose last year

[Laferrari]

GA is a ferrari hater...Last year , he said Mclaren was very fast...:D.
I hope we will blow out everyone like the 2002 and 2004 .

[Paulpg87]

The comments there are just a summary from italian media (tv, web, etc.) of what they have been told so far and i've made and posted in the testing thread. If they are reporting it elsewhere as domenical words ... well they are just a bunch of idiots cause.
Domenicali in tv just said that we seems to be behind mercedes and williams and we have to work on batteries tuning software for ers. All the other comments i reported are rumors from differents media.

[Forzi]

Actually these comments were already posted a few days back in the Bahrain threat:


Ferrari faster on the straights to save fuel? Transleted please!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh3nlTDCUAAEPkP.png


Do not write a lot...here just a summary of what i've read on italian newspapers and heard on tv about Ferrari. That's a pity cause are just bad news.

- we have problems with rear tyre degradation
- engine too aggressive and too much torque
- we have problems running batteries at full power and we run during tests without full power (not cause we wanted to but cause we weren't able to do so)
- we lack in traction in slow corners and downforce in high speed corners
- we must run low downforce due to fuel consumption.
- Our engine has higher consumption and we are forced to run low downforce to reduce drag. In fact we recorded top speed but we are slow in cornering.
- Overall rumors agree we are far behind mercedes (more than 1s)
- Domenical in tv said we are behind mercedes and williams.. and not by a small margin. Focus is already on catching the competition.

just reporting guys, not my opinion

So it was copied from here to Autosport, and then back to here on a different thread. Did a circle :lol

[Forzi]

When you think, a lot of things do fit in. We do have battery problems, hence why we are consuming more fuel to make up for the loss, hence why we would go for low downforce levels and that's why we have such a high speed. Things do fit in and the priority problem is our batteries that causes most of this.

The bit that we got rear tire degradation seems fitting too. We do seem to have some problems in the power delivery to the rear wheels. Multiple videos show that we do have a rather twitchy rear and a lot of trackside people said it too and we have a few clips of of us spinning.

[Paulpg87]

Actually these comments were already posted a few days back in the Bahrain threat:





So it was copied from here to Autosport, and then back to here on a different thread. Did a circle :lol

yes but are just speculations. yesterday they were already saying that we are very fast and we have just to fix ers to gain on mercedes

[Laferrari]

PitLaneTalk ‏@KomivesP 31s

Ferrari were running the ERS at 120hp capacity instead of the full 160 in Bahrain. They're unable to control the full power boost right now.



PitLaneTalk ‏@KomivesP 28s

Montezemolo says it's a software issue, which should be solved by Melbourne. Ferrari are also bringing various upgrades.. #F1 #Formula1

[Paulpg87]

PitLaneTalk ‏@KomivesP 31s

Ferrari were running the ERS at 120hp capacity instead of the full 160 in Bahrain. They're unable to control the full power boost right now.



PitLaneTalk ‏@KomivesP 28s

Montezemolo says it's a software issue, which should be solved by Melbourne. Ferrari are also bringing various upgrades.. #F1 #Formula1

yes, it has been said by media here and that's why all they are saying Mercedes has HP advantage of circa 45hp, which is true right now. However we have recorded top speed of the test due to low downforce setup while Mercedes was running at higher downforce configuration .. and so they are also saying that we are forced to do so due to fuel consumptions in order to reduce drag. Yes Montezemolo said is a software issue but never said it should be fixed by melbourne.

[f300v10]

There is no evidence at all of Ferrari running a low downforce setup. The rear wings used at all the tests were of a high downforce specification. I have looked at hundreds of photos of the F14T taken during the tests, and none reveal a 'low downforce' setup. The fact that the Ferrari was 5 kph faster than the Williams does not mean the F14T was running lower downforce. Perhaps the Ferrari DRS desig gives a higher top speed. Maybe when allowed to run at full power the Ferrari has more power than the Mercedes. Maybe its due to the more efficient cooling system on the F14T giving less drag, we just don't know. But a 'low downforce' setup was not used.

[Paulpg87]

There is no evidence at all of Ferrari running a low downforce setup. The rear wings used at all the tests were of a high downforce specification. I have looked at hundreds of photos of the F14T taken during the tests, and none reveal a 'low downforce' setup. The fact that the Ferrari was 5 kph faster than the Williams does not mean the F14T was running lower downforce. Perhaps the Ferrari DRS desig gives a higher top speed. Maybe when allowed to run at full power the Ferrari has more power than the Mercedes. Maybe its due to the more efficient cooling system on the F14T giving less drag, we just don't know. But a 'low downforce' setup was not used.

yes, could be.. personally i don't know, i just reported what has been written. Just hope we are in a good shape in australia.

[Laferrari]

yes, could be.. personally i don't know, i just reported what has been written. Just hope we are in a good shape in australia.



One week and we will know wat is the true.
There is no low configuration , just pure speculation from newspaper.No one know what is the true pace of all cars.
Redbull is still on top of aero , because of the same philosophy of the F1.So they still have a edge over the field.Mercedes are always the fastest on testing 2 years in row.
I predict a close battle between us and mercedes for the beginning of the season after that redbull will be there but i can t imagine them blow everyone because they are 2 month behind in developpement so it s very difficult to get back.

[Silent Bob]

I wonder why none of these experts has mentioned the fact that the high top speed and slow lap time could just be due to trying different gear ratios. Lower numerical gear ratios will give you a good top end if the motor has the grunt but will lose time in slower sections. Could be that simple, but everyone seems to be suggesting season ending problems. Also I struggle to see how some of the other complaints make sense. If our engine is too aggressive, maybe that is the cause of the lack of traction and tire degradation? then we turn down the boost, save fuel and tires. I'm sure this is a mapping issue but I don't think the car can be bad in all of these areas.

[Gerhard Berger]

One week and we will know wat is the true.
There is no low configuration , just pure speculation from newspaper.No one know what is the true pace of all cars.
Redbull is still on top of aero , because of the same philosophy of the F1.So they still have a edge over the field.Mercedes are always the fastest on testing 2 years in row.
I predict a close battle between us and mercedes for the beginning of the season after that redbull will be there but i can t imagine them blow everyone because they are 2 month behind in developpement so it s very difficult to get back.

We don't know if Red Bull is still on top of aero. The engine changes alot of things (packaging, sidepod shape and size, air intake, cooling requirements which all have a knock on effect aerodynamically). Additionally, the exhaust rules changed which will hurt red Bull as they were the best team at using exhaust gases to seal the diffuser.

[Jas]

I would still say red bull are head of aero, their car...all be it stood still...looks fantastic!

[Jas]

Pirelli has released its in-season testing schedule, detailing when teams will work with the tyre manufacturer during test days this year.

In 2013 Pirelli suffered a series of tyre failures during race weekends, which highlighted the lack of on-track testing available to the tyre manufacturer. The situation became contentious when Pirelli undertook a series of private tests with teams - one of which involved an up-to-date Mercedes and was investigated by an FIA tribunal.

Under this year's regulations all 11 teams must dedicate one in-season test day to working on the development of Pirelli's tyres in a bid to ensure the tyre manufacturer has sufficient mileage to develop its products. At the final pre-season test in Bahrain, Pirelli and the teams agreed on the schedule for the in-season tests taking place after certain races this season.


Bahrain test (8-9 April)
Day 1 CATERHAM
Day 2 MERCEDES and WILLIAMS

Barcelona test (13-14 May)
Day 1 SAUBER and TORO ROSSO
Day 2 McLAREN and FORCE INDIA

Silverstone test (8-9 July)
Day 1 FERRARI and LOTUS
Day 2 RED BULL and MARUSSIA




At the final in-season test in Abu Dhabi, Pirelli will bring prototype tyres in preparation for a ban on tyre warmers in 2015.

Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/148167.html#bzI2PgEITFLjCh92.99

[ferrari4life]

how many inseason testing days are available to us outside of these pirelli tests?

[Jas]

how many inseason testing days are available to us outside of these pirelli tests?

4...the above are the inseason test for us...just that one day they will focus on one team as stated!

[Senna4Ever]

We don't know if Red Bull is still on top of aero. . According to reports from Button who got overtook from Ric during testing ... they are! Button said had never seen something like that ... I try to search the realted posting here in this forum ...

Link (http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/31970-Bahrain-testing-27-Feb-2-Mar?p=829490#post829490)

[Gerhard Berger]

I would still say red bull are head of aero, their car...all be it stood still...looks fantastic!

I'm not talking about aesthetics.

[Gerhard Berger]

According to reports from Button who got overtook from Ric during testing ... they are! Button said had never seen something like that ... I try to search the realted posting here in this forum ...

Link (http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/31970-Bahrain-testing-27-Feb-2-Mar?p=829490#post829490)

This is the same Button who said the F150 Italia looked miles ahead of the competition. we all know how that one turned out.

Red Bull currently have a car which overheats. Until they revise their rear bodywork in order to get certain components the right amount of cooling, then they will struggle to finish races. Pretty pointless having such a tight rear end when it means the car overheats and won't finish the race.

[Kiwi Nick]

According to reports from Button who got overtook from Ric during testing ... they are! Button said had never seen something like that ... I try to search the realted posting here in this forum ...

Link (http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/31970-Bahrain-testing-27-Feb-2-Mar?p=829490#post829490)

Was that on Ric's first or last lap? Ooops! They were the same lap. But seriously, To be fast with an aero package that is so tight that the mechanical and electrical components overheat fail is no to be fast.

[Senna4Ever]

This is the same Button who said the F150 Italia looked miles ahead of the competition. we all know how that one turned out.

Red Bull currently have a car which overheats. Until they revise their rear bodywork in order to get certain components the right amount of cooling, then they will struggle to finish races. Pretty pointless having such a tight rear end when it means the car overheats and won't finish the race.

Yes, the same Button ;)
But one thing for certain: he is driving F1 car and I am only watching ...

Let's wait and see: before the 1st half of the season isn't over I think it is much too early to count RB off ... They know Aero best and as soon as they have their overheating solved we better be far ahead of them ...

[blaney1977]

Im watching the f1 show on sky f1 hd and its really bummimg up the merc and the merc engines while again commenting on the apparently thirsty ferrari engine. I suppose there only commenting on what there seeing and what the stopwatch says. I just hope we are hiding a bit off speed and were sandbagging a bit. Worst case scenario is we are 3rd with issues that we can sort before melbourne. Whats everyones thoughts on it?

[Ferrari Man]

Im watching the f1 show on sky f1 hd and its really bummimg up the merc and the merc engines while again commenting on the apparently thirsty ferrari engine. I suppose there only commenting on what there seeing and what the stopwatch says. I just hope we are hiding a bit off speed and were sandbagging a bit. Worst case scenario is we are 3rd with issues that we can sort before melbourne. Whats everyones thoughts on it?

Ye watchin it too. It's gonna be a steep learning curve this year so if we start third we can easily improve with a working wind tunnel...

[Ferrari Man]

Ted beating down on Ferrari again saying we will be third fastest in qualifying in Austrailia and in the race we ll fall down the order to tenth place with our fuel saving during the race with all the merc in the top spot...:furious

[Nero Horse]

Ted beating down on Ferrari again saying we will be third fastest in qualifying in Austrailia and in the race we ll fall down the order to tenth place with our fuel saving during the race with all the merc in the top spot...:furious

I don't care what they say, let them talk what they want. The only thing that will tell the real truth is the reality, next weekend in Australia when the lights go green in qualifying and in the race. All these expert opinions are just that...opinions.

[gvera]

I wonder why none of these experts has mentioned the fact that the high top speed and slow lap time could just be due to trying different gear ratios. Lower numerical gear ratios will give you a good top end if the motor has the grunt but will lose time in slower sections. Could be that simple, but everyone seems to be suggesting season ending problems. Also I struggle to see how some of the other complaints make sense. If our engine is too aggressive, maybe that is the cause of the lack of traction and tire degradation? then we turn down the boost, save fuel and tires. I'm sure this is a mapping issue but I don't think the car can be bad in all of these areas.

Remember this year the gear ratios are fixed for the entire season, you have to use the same ones in Monaco and Monza, so all cars should be using ratios that allow maximum speed in the longest straight.

[Winter]

Remember this year the gear ratios are fixed for the entire season, you have to use the same ones in Monaco and Monza, so all cars should be using ratios that allow maximum speed in the longest straight.

I think gear ratios may be changed once during the season.

[SS454]

Remember this year the gear ratios are fixed for the entire season, you have to use the same ones in Monaco and Monza, so all cars should be using ratios that allow maximum speed in the longest straight.

I believe the rules do not permit changing the diff gear, so the cars will still be geared to the given track, just not optimized for each corner like before. I did just learn the teams are running 8 speed gear boxes this year. Crazy. I wonder how many will use 8th as an overdrive.

[Hornet]

Remember this year the gear ratios are fixed for the entire season, you have to use the same ones in Monaco and Monza, so all cars should be using ratios that allow maximum speed in the longest straight.

I don't think so. Most track favors acceleration over max top speed. Track like Monza is the odd one out and will be sacrificed in favor of a better balance between top speed and acceleration.

[Nova]

Dont fool yourselfs and count anyone out..we've only had a few tests..to count out anyone
including RB and Reno is silly. They probably have their issues sorted.

[bondilad]

I don't care what they say, let them talk what they want. The only thing that will tell the real truth is the reality, next weekend in Australia when the lights go green in qualifying and in the race. All these expert opinions are just that...opinions.

Exactly. No one knows. I also think the safety car might be used more often in the first few races so we might be able to save fuel going behind it.

[Silent Bob]

Remember this year the gear ratios are fixed for the entire season, you have to use the same ones in Monaco and Monza, so all cars should be using ratios that allow maximum speed in the longest straight.

Exactly. So it would make sensor to try different gear sets and compare acceleration and top speeds between them to determine the best compromise overall. That top speed wasn't down to wing angles or low downforce... it was either the car at max power or high final gearing.

[ntukza]

From Autosport:
"Domenicalli just said to an italian tv what any wise fan already realized from testing:"

Hahaha what a joke. The only reason Stefano would not get fired for saying this is if it's an internal ploy to disguise an otherwise positive team situation. No team principal in their right mind would speak these words if they were true.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Ted beating down on Ferrari again saying we will be third fastest in qualifying in Austrailia and in the race we ll fall down the order to tenth place with our fuel saving during the race with all the merc in the top spot...:furious

Ignore the british press, they hate Ferrari and Alonso.

[DIEK]

Someone of McLaren has told someone of Sky TV they are surprised by the high consumption of Mercedes engine... :Hmm

[Rob]

Someone of McLaren has told someone of Sky TV they are surprised by the high consumption of Mercedes engine... :Hmm

ssssh the media isnt really saying that as Merc/Merc engine teams are the favs for WDC WCC.

[FerrariF60]

Someone of McLaren has told someone of Sky TV they are surprised by the high consumption of Mercedes engine... :Hmm

hopefully it's true and the Mercedes engine is thirstier then the Ferrari....although these are all rumors and NO one knows for sure which one is has the least consumption...

only the engine manufacturers know exactly and they won't divulge the truth

[Winter]

I believe the rules do not permit changing the diff gear, so the cars will still be geared to the given track, just not optimized for each corner like before. I did just learn the teams are running 8 speed gear boxes this year. Crazy. I wonder how many will use 8th as an overdrive.




If I understund right this text " (for 2014 only teams may re-nominate ratios once)" from F1 offical, gear ratios may be changed once during season 2014.

[LF1Torsion]

If I understund right this text " (for 2014 only teams may re-nominate ratios once)" from F1 offical, gear ratios may be changed once during season 2014.

Yes this is correct. All teams have one joker in this regard - i.e. they can change the ratios without any penalty.

[Kiwi Nick]

Yes this is correct. All teams have one joker in this regard - i.e. they can change the ratios without any penalty.

But, I assume that they cannot change back to the original, without that counting as their second change.

I see lots of room for monkey business in these rules/penalties. Teams will be weighing whether to take a penalty to get better performance if they qualify poorly, or crash in quali. Would it be advantageous to start from the pit lane at Monza or Spa, or Montreal, etc. if it meant you got better gearing? It looks like it could be quite confusing or not confusing at all. We'll have to see how things sort themselves out.

Seems to me that Monza could be a real problem for any car that uses too much fuel, since there is so much time spent at full throttle. I'm sure there are other tracks that would also be problems.

[SS454]

The rules seem to suggest they are talking about the gear ratios of the gear box. The pinion gear in the differential is completely different and acts as a multiplier to the gear box ratios. I am not certain, but it seems they still can change the rear gear, which would make sense. It's kind of like having a Corvette 6 speed, and changing the pinion gear to suit the track.

[Zytes]

The rules seem to suggest they are talking about the gear ratios of the gear box. The pinion gear in the differential is completely different and acts as a multiplier to the gear box ratios. I am not certain, but it seems they still can change the rear gear, which would make sense. It's kind of like having a Corvette 6 speed, and changing the pinion gear to suit the track.


If I am correct in reading this from the Formula 1 site, the teams will not be allowed to change the rear gear (More than one time) without penalty...

"9.6 Gear ratios :
9.6.1 The number of forward gear ratios must be 8.
9.6.2 Each competitor must nominate the forward gear ratios (calculated from engine crankshaft to drive shafts) to be employed within their gearbox. These nominations must be declared to the FIA technical delegate at or before the first Event of the Championship. For 2014 only a competitor may re-nominate these ratios once within the Championship season, in which case the original nomination becomes immediately void. Ratio re-nominations must be declared as a set.

Source:http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/technical_regulations/8710/fia.html

[Kiwi Nick]

So, does this suggest that the final drive ratio may be raised or lowered by swapping pinion rings in the diff?

[bluesilhouettes]

Merc has tried McLaren rear suspension solution in wind tunnel but they said that it produce too much drag.

[Jas]

Merc has tried McLaren rear suspension solution in wind tunnel but they said that it produce too much drag.

Source?

[gvera]

So, does this suggest that the final drive ratio may be raised or lowered by swapping pinion rings in the diff?
I think they mean the opposite. As the ratios are measured in the driveshaft, the diff is included.
With eight gears and the flat torque it won't be a problem.

[bobi_ve]

.....it seems that the latest Prancing Horse is close to a second off the pace of the Mercedes and around seven-tenths slower than the Williams.

Source! (http://mobile.formula1.com/news/features/2014/3/15536)

[Nero Horse]

.....it seems that the latest Prancing Horse is close to a second off the pace of the Mercedes and around seven-tenths slower than the Williams.
Source! (http://mobile.formula1.com/news/features/2014/3/15536)

No! Just no :-!

Why even write such sensationalist crap? I don't get it.

[ManFromMilan]

Source! (http://mobile.formula1.com/news/features/2014/3/15536)





Just speculation:roll

[abbottcostello]

So people like us read it ;-)
No! Just no :-!

Why even write such sensationalist crap? I don't get it.

[Nero Horse]

So people like us read it ;-)

If by "people like us" you mean Ferrari fans then I'm sure that people like us don't want to read such things. ;-)

All these grim predictions are nothing more than pure speculation and guesswork.

[abbottcostello]

If by "people like us" you mean Ferrari fans then I'm sure that people like us don't want to read such things. ;-)

All these grim predictions are nothing more than pure speculation and guesswork.

Well, I actually meant all F1 fans/followers in general.
Everyone or I should say a good many F1 fans (OK, maybe just me?) are looking to sate their appetite for almost any F1 tidbit of news, inside info of how their team is going to do.

Because of the possibility some journalist may just have something good to say about my team, I am driven to search the web, track down links, all with the endpoint being someone saying things supportive of Ferrari. Oh, they should also have some credibility in the F1 world to REALLY buoy my spirits!

[Nero Horse]

Well, I actually meant all F1 fans/followers in general.
Everyone or I should say a good many F1 fans (OK, maybe just me?) are looking to sate their appetite for almost any F1 tidbit of news, inside info of how their team is going to do.

Because of the possibility some journalist may just have something good to say about my team, I am driven to search the web, track down links, all with the endpoint being someone saying things supportive of Ferrari. Oh, they should also have some credibility in the F1 world to REALLY buoy my spirits!

I can assure you that it's not just you who does that. :-)

I too scan the web every day to find someone saying something supportive about Ferrari, the emphasis being on the word "supportive". All that negative and pessimistic crap I reject immediately. As long as the season hasn't started yet and we don't know anything for sure, I will hope for the best.

[Ophidian786]

I think the general consensus is 1. Mercedes 2. Williams and 3. Ferrari throughout the media.

Personally, I am inclined to agree, and in fact think it is more clearer than we all think.

The only unknown factor is Red Bull. Again, the media generally seem to believe that once they have their problems sorted, they will be up their with Mercedes - which is logical considering they haven’t lost any key figureheads or changed suppliers since they won the last 4 championships.

If / when RB come good, unfortunately we will become - albeit temporarily - the fourth best team. We will leapfrog Williams when the development race heats up.

[shamim179]

That article if you bother to read it actually paints a positive picture for Ferrari. The author says there is more potential to be gained in the car and a podium is very possible. Think the forum poster is being a little naughty there or perhaps did it unintentionally that by just mentioning those lines it can be taken out of context.

[Ophidian786]

That article if you bother to read it actually paints a positive picture for Ferrari. The author says there is more potential to be gained in the car and a podium is very possible. Think the forum poster is being a little naughty there or perhaps did it unintentionally that by just mentioning those lines it can be taken out of context.

I think you may have misinterpreted the article. It basically states that Ferrari are behind now but have potential to improve. To me this is still a negative: if the article is correct, we need to find 1 second from somewhere.

[Nova]

So thats it then, sigh...we're 4th best..no gettin round it...
n we havent even raced yet...mabey I can get a few lottery numbers off some of you....:-D

[FerrariF60]

So thats it then, sigh...we're 4th best..no gettin round it...
n we havent even raced yet...mabey I can get a few lottery numbers off some of you....:-D

ha, ha....true indeed
we haven't even ran a race yet and all "experts" think we're 4th fastest.....LMFAO

keep the faith people, i'm sure Ferrari have been working around the clock since last day of testing in Bahrain to get everyting ready for OZ...i have faith in our TEAM and i'm sure we haven't shown our full speed yet....

just a few more days until friday practice, and then come quali time we'll see a FAST ferrari that we haven't seen yet and we'll all be surprised...

[abbottcostello]

I am feeling quietly confident about the upcoming tilt in Albert Park, I actually think we'll be competitive in quali & the race, I won't use the "glass half full" saying because I think the glass is about 92% full... gotta leave some room for improvement, right!!:-D

[Laferrari]

F1 - Ferrari sandbagged in winter testing - Salo

"Ferrari has been pretty much hidden"

10 March 2014 - 09h05, by GMM


Ferrari is yet to reveal the full potential of its 2014 car.

That is the view of former F1 driver Mika Salo, who raced a few times for the fabled Italian team in 1999 and is now a pundit on Finnish television.

Many believe that, in the 2014 pecking order, Ferrari trails most of the Mercedes-powered teams, but 47-year-old Salo is not so sure.

"Ferrari has been pretty much hidden," he told Finnish radio Nova.

"When you look at the sector times for the tests, some are very good but some are ridiculously bad. They are covering up their pace and no one really knows where they are," added Salo.

[f1tomi8]

An exclusive look behind the scenes of the Ferrari F1 team as, ahead of the 2014 season, they prepare for the biggest raft of rule changes in a generation.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k1XdLFDIQyWi3Y5TfXl

[mirafiori]

F1 - Ferrari sandbagged in winter testing - Salo

"Ferrari has been pretty much hidden"

10 March 2014 - 09h05, by GMM


Ferrari is yet to reveal the full potential of its 2014 car.

That is the view of former F1 driver Mika Salo, who raced a few times for the fabled Italian team in 1999 and is now a pundit on Finnish television.

Many believe that, in the 2014 pecking order, Ferrari trails most of the Mercedes-powered teams, but 47-year-old Salo is not so sure.

"Ferrari has been pretty much hidden," he told Finnish radio Nova.

"When you look at the sector times for the tests, some are very good but some are ridiculously bad. They are covering up their pace and no one really knows where they are," added Salo.
Thank god we finally have a race this weekend, all will be revealed.

[f300v10]

An exclusive look behind the scenes of the Ferrari F1 team as, ahead of the 2014 season, they prepare for the biggest raft of rule changes in a generation.


Thanks for posting. You really see how much work was involved in developing the new power units.

[ManFromMilan]

An exclusive look behind the scenes of the Ferrari F1 team as, ahead of the 2014 season, they prepare for the biggest raft of rule changes in a generation.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k1XdLFDIQyWi3Y5TfXl




Thanks F1tomi8, great video! :thumb

[f1tomi8]

Analysis of racing
Bottas faster than Rosberg
The hard currency of the new Formula 1 generation are the driving games. Since the drivers have to be careful not only tire wear but also on fuel consumption. We have analyzed nine GP simulations and three alibi tests at the driving test Tern. Valtteri Bottas fastest was just ahead of Nico Rosberg.

One round is not saying much. As is true for all drivers, the maximum allowable flow rate of 100 kg of fuel per hour. If you can ever make a statement to the best lap times, then, what about the engine in the rear. There was clearly a division into three classes recognizable. , Mercedes ahead of Ferrari and Renault.

The true standard of comparison, more than ever, the race simulations. Because this year, a factor is added, who has played only a minor role in the last year. In addition to the tire wear, fuel consumption dictated the pace in the race.

Only nine riders with GP experiments
Because of ongoing problems with the engines only a few drivers have ever done a real racing simulation. We have organized the times and nine of these rehearsals examined, and three continuous runs where at least three-quarters of the full race distance have been completed of Bahrain. And these are 57 rounds.

To get to the round cut, we had to pull off the pit stops. You did not take place at race pace. One could be more, some less time. In addition, there were interruptions by red flags that interfered with the process.

Mercedes-teams in their racing games forward
Despite all the obstacles can be derived as an indication. The only two drivers who have competed at a Bahrain Grand Prix two times, were Valtteri Bottas and Nico Rosberg. Bottas put on the second of the eight test days before a best time that could not be beaten.

Six laps to go, the Finn was a red flag in between. He hung the six rounds still to see if he would come with 100 kg gasoline over the distance. This gives three stops, although only two were planned. On average Bottas a lap time of 1:40.342 minutes with a fastest lap of 1:37.328 minutes. This is followed by all the bite of the teeth.

Racing simulation two minutes slower than Grand Prix
This would result in a total race time of 1:28.38,150 hours net. If one were three pit stops and the corresponding rounds to clean and go out, these include total would be a race time 1:40:18 hours. As a reference point: Sebastian Vettel took for his victory ride in 2013, a time of 1:36.00,4 hours, would have been so over four minutes faster.

The comparison is not entirely fair, because the last stop was not planned at Bottas. So you have to pull off nearly two minutes at Bottas. In order for the V6 turbos were not so dramatically much more slowly over a race distance. But also promises the comparison of the fastest race lap. Vettel managed 1:36.962 minutes a year ago. The best time of Bottas was only four-tenths of it.

Rosberg with three and four stops
The Williams driver drove in the second Bahrain Grand Prix another week, this time with two stops in the middle and came to a lap time of 1:41.515 minutes. Nico Rosberg ended up with his two race simulations between the two Bottas times. The one rewound the Mercedes driver with three pit stops off on Saturday of the first week. Average lap time: 1:40.865 minutes.

The variant with four stops on the penultimate day of testing was slightly faster with an average of 1:40.621 minutes. Whether it makes sense or four times to change tires, is another matter. To this end, Williams technical director Pat Symonds: "More stops are faster on paper but also cost more petrol.."

Alonso gone with the wind
Jenson Button was with a mean of 1:41.574 minutes at three stops, the number three in the field. Team-mate Kevin Magnussen fell from contrast with 1:43.003 minutes. The Dane was beaten by both Force India drivers. Sergio Perez came with 1:42.336 minutes for his 48 rounds with two stops over the distance. Also Nico Hülkenberg joined the tires twice. His average lap time: 1:42.921 minutes.

And what about Ferrari? Fernando Alonso reeled on Friday of the second week 52 laps plus three pit stops from. The Spaniard was average 1:42.551 minutes fast. But on this day the wind blew strongest. Alonso got the worst possible time for a race simulation.

Sauber still modest
Lewis Hamilton, Kimi Raikkonen and Adrian Sutil could not go to the end of their GP simulation. Maybe they did not want it too. The times were not famous. Hamilton turned 34 laps with a stop in between and was in average 1:42.190 minutes fast. Kimi Raikkonen came with 42 laps 1:43.251 minutes on average, Adrian Sutil after 40 rounds in 1:44.122 minutes. As always, a lot of studies prior to reading tea leaves. Because the types of tires used play a role. About this unfortunately we lack reliable records.

ANALYSIS RENNSIMULATIONEN BAHRAIN 2014
Driver Day Round cut Rounding Pit stops
Valtteri Bottas 2 1:40.342 min 47 3
Nico Rosberg 7 1:40.621 min 54 4
Nico Rosberg 4 1:40.865 min 48 3
Valtteri Bottas 5 1:41.515 min 53 2
Jenson Button 3 1:41.574 min 51 3
Sergio Perez 5 1:42.336 min 48 2
Fernando Alonso 6 1:42.551 min 52 3
Nico Hulkenberg 7 1:42.921 min 47 2
Kevin Magnussen 5 1:43.003 min 53 2
Via Amus

[ntukza]

An exclusive look behind the scenes of the Ferrari F1 team as, ahead of the 2014 season, they prepare for the biggest raft of rule changes in a generation.

Wow, this is great. It's a pity it doesn't include Bahrain. I hope there is a follow-up video and many more to come. Have Ferrari done anything like this in the past? This may be a sign of confidence in and of itself.

[AfterLife]

"Imbalance at some moments because of high torque" Look at the F14T getting wild at 00:52. Very Interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUhIwueP9L4

[abbottcostello]

Thanks for the super video f1tomi8!

Loved the comment by Kimi something to the effect... "it's pretty OK", I know it's just a language thing but still gave me a little smile.

[Jas]

WHAT A GREAT VIDEO, Thank you, so much respect for our boys, the huge challenges, for example re building an engine team for starters! Come Aus quali and race for that matter, we still don't know how these cars get off the line I will be a nervous wreck

[Nero Horse]

An exclusive look behind the scenes of the Ferrari F1 team as, ahead of the 2014 season, they prepare for the biggest raft of rule changes in a generation.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k1XdLFDIQyWi3Y5TfXl

What an incredibly great and fascinating video! Thank you very much for posting it. :clap

This video really makes you realize just how complex everything is inside a Ferrari F1 team and how much effort these guys put in to be successful. It's a constant 24/7 year-round intense hard work and if you don't win a championship then it's viewed as a complete failure and you get a lot of flak for it every time...so much responsibility and pressure.
I take my hat off and bow in gratitude to every single person working for Ferrari. :bow


Oh and I really loved the part in the video when "La Gazzetta dello sport" journalist Pino Allievi said:
Formula 1 without Ferrari wouldn't be the same. This is the history of motor-racing. Ferrari is more important alone than all the other teams together.
So true... :-)

:ferrarifl

[mirafiori]

Thank you for posting and sharing this fantastic video.:-)

[f1tomi8]

"New" gasolina?
pbs.twimg.com/media/BibxgB-CEAIEx7N.png

[Sab_g]

An exclusive look behind the scenes of the Ferrari F1 team as, ahead of the 2014 season, they prepare for the biggest raft of rule changes in a generation.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k1XdLFDIQyWi3Y5TfXl

I can't see the video, anywhere else I can see it?

[Jas]

I can't see the video, anywhere else I can see it?

Daily Motion!

[ManFromMilan]

"Imbalance at some moments because of high torque" Look at the F14T getting wild at 00:52. Very Interesting.






The "wild Ferrari" was due too the late braking for the corner and not torque at all.

[hrc5555]

Anyone knows what updates are we bringing in Melbourne?

[Tony]

"Imbalance at some moments because of high torque" Look at the F14T getting wild at 00:52. Very Interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUhIwueP9L4

Hmmm, seems to be an issue under braking and not under acceleration.... could it be braking issues with that new system?

[pavenc]

F1plus @f1plus
F1 2014 Season Team Preview: Ferrari - Dark horses?
http://t.co/1MysExtwVX

[MRRabbit]

An exclusive look behind the scenes of the Ferrari F1 team as, ahead of the 2014 season, they prepare for the biggest raft of rule changes in a generation.


Simply beautiful :ferrarifl

[Paulpg87]

Mercedes PU more powerfull due to MGU - H mounted between turbo and compressor, a solution able to let flow in more air and extract more power while Ferrari and Renault mounted th MGU in the "v". That's why they have an HP advantage.

source: omnicorse

seems bad news..

[mirafiori]

Mercedes PU more powerfull due to MGU - H mounted between turbo and compressor, a solution able to let flow in more air and extract more power while Ferrari and Renault mounted th MGU in the "v". That's why they have an HP advantage.

source: omnicorse

seems bad news..

I see you are based in Italy:Hmm, most of your posts seem to only report negative information regarding Ferrari and you love telling us how wonderful and powerful the Mercedes car is, any chance of some positive news from Italy to share with us Ferrari fans.

[Paulpg87]

I see you are based in Italy:Hmm, most of your posts seem to only report negative information regarding Ferrari and you love telling us how wonderful and powerful the Mercedes car is, any chance of some positive news from Italy to share with us Ferrari fans.

it's a pity but there arent' good news, rumour here are mercedes too strong at the moment. I reported the source (it's a site) and have really time to translate all the article:

va ascritto al grosso lavoro che hanno fatto i tecnici di Brixworth, dove ha sede Mercedes AMG-High Performance Powertrains, la sede nel Northamptonshire dove si realizzano le power - unit PU 106A Hybrid.

La Casa tedesca ha dedicato risorse importanti nello sviluppo del motore V6 Turbo da 1,6 litri di cilindrata. Guardando con attenzione le immagini che sono state diramate dalla Stella a tre punte emerge un aspetto molto interessante: i tecnici che si occupano dell'impianto di sovralimentazione hanno montato l'MGU-H fra la turbina e il compressore, a differenza di Ferrari e Renault che lo avrebbero sistemato all'interno della V.

La Mercedes in questo modo riuscirebbe ad immettere nel cassoncino di aspirazione del V6 dell'aria più fresca e, quindi, potrebbe trarre una maggiore potenza, anche se il motore elettrico sarebbe sottoposto a maggiori sforzi torsionali.

[Kiwi Nick]

Mercedes PU more powerfull due to MGU - H mounted between turbo and compressor, a solution able to let flow in more air and extract more power while Ferrari and Renault mounted th MGU in the "v". That's why they have an HP advantage.

source: omnicorse

seems bad news..

If that truly is the key to an additional 50-75hp and improved reliability of the MGU-H, it spells big trouble for Ferrari and Renault. Their designs have been homologated as of February 28. So, if they are to gain on Mercedes it will have to be from maximizing the existing design.

Unless the FIA give them a do-over, which is a long shot, as allowed by the sporting regulations:

"c) A power unit delivered to the FIA after 28 February 2014, or modified and re-delivered to the FIA after that date, which the FIA is satisfied, in its absolute discretion and after full consultation with all other suppliers of power units for the Championship, could fairly and equitably be allowed to compete with other homologated power units.
Such changes will normally only be accepted if they are being proposed for reliability, safety or cost-saving reasons. Any manufacturer wishing to make a change for any of the above reasons must apply in writing to the FIA Technical Department and provide all necessary information including where appropriate, clear evidence of failures. The FIA will study such requests and, if they agree that the changes should be permitted, will circulate the correspondence to all manufacturers for comment. If the FIA receive no comments which cast doubt on their original decision about the proposed modification(s) they will confirm to the manufacturer concerned that they may be carried out.
All such power units should be delivered in such a condition that the seals required under Article 28.4 can be fitted. Power units will be held by the FIA throughout the homologation period."

[gvera]

it's a pity but there arent' good news, rumour here are mercedes too strong at the moment. I reported the source (it's a site) and have really time to translate all the article:

va ascritto al grosso lavoro che hanno fatto i tecnici di Brixworth, dove ha sede Mercedes AMG-High Performance Powertrains, la sede nel Northamptonshire dove si realizzano le power - unit PU 106A Hybrid.

La Casa tedesca ha dedicato risorse importanti nello sviluppo del motore V6 Turbo da 1,6 litri di cilindrata. Guardando con attenzione le immagini che sono state diramate dalla Stella a tre punte emerge un aspetto molto interessante: i tecnici che si occupano dell'impianto di sovralimentazione hanno montato l'MGU-H fra la turbina e il compressore, a differenza di Ferrari e Renault che lo avrebbero sistemato all'interno della V.

La Mercedes in questo modo riuscirebbe ad immettere nel cassoncino di aspirazione del V6 dell'aria più fresca e, quindi, potrebbe trarre una maggiore potenza, anche se il motore elettrico sarebbe sottoposto a maggiori sforzi torsionali.

It doesn't say 'more air' but 'fresher air' and so they can extract more power from the engine.
I think I get the idea behind their reasoning, as the turbo side (extremely hot) is separated from the compresor by the MGU-H thats placed in the middle, the compressor works cooler.
That maybe true, but I think it all depends on the effectivity of the intercooler.

[Kiwi Nick]

I suppose that it is possible that this MGU-H design is so inherently superior to the design used by Ferrari and Renault that the power difference is impossible to overcome.

That said, I see nothing in the Sporting Regulations that prohibit teams from switching engines in mid-season. In fact, the FIA has required all PUs to have identical mounting points, presumably to insure that all PUS are similarly stressed, but it also opens the door for PU swapping. Of course, teams have contracts and Mercedes has limits on its ability to produce PUs. But, who knows whether a certain fizzy drink maker might be able to buy their way out of one engine contract and into another.

[Hornet]

I see you are based in Italy:Hmm, most of your posts seem to only report negative information regarding Ferrari and you love telling us how wonderful and powerful the Mercedes car is, any chance of some positive news from Italy to share with us Ferrari fans.

Relax, we shouldn't let any of these news affects us:-P

Whatever happens, we'll find out in the next few races. If Ferrari do well, we'll have plenty to celebrate about. If Ferrari don't, then we'll have to endure it and hope for the best until the team fix itself.

[Paulpg87]

It doesn't say 'more air' but 'fresher air' and so they can extract more power from the engine.
I think I get the idea behind their reasoning, as the turbo side (extremely hot) is separated from the compresor by the MGU-H thats placed in the middle, the compressor works cooler.
That maybe true, but I think it all depends on the effectivity of the intercooler.

Yes Sorry it's fresher, translated after few minutes without reading and didnt rember it perfectly

[Paulpg87]

Relax, we shouldn't let any of these news affects us:-P

Whatever happens, we'll find out in the next few races. If Ferrari do well, we'll have plenty to celebrate about. If Ferrari don't, then we'll have to endure it and hope for the best until the team fix itself.

Only good news are rumor about us sandbagging. Overall just bad news like everywhere and basing on tests there is not much to add.

[Jas]

I think this is a good article to sum up things...nothing we don't know...

F1 2014 Season Team Preview: Ferrari - Dark horses?

Once again, it seems the team from Maranello will play catch up; nothing is written, but Alonso $ Co for sure are under pressure to deliver.

Tuesday, March 11, 2014

March 11th, 2014 (F1plus/Graham Kelloh).- Nico Rosberg summed it up. In the middle of the third and final pre-season test before everyone headed out to Melbourne for round one he reckoned he had a good handle on where his Mercedes team was on pace relative to all others. Well, all apart from one. For him, Ferrari remained a mystery. And he wasn't the only one feeling this way.

Perhaps appropriately F1's most enigmatic team has been the enigma of 2014 pre-season testing, for the most part getting on with its business without drawing attention to itself; in Anthony Rowlinson's words performing 'a measured and consistent programme'.

Confusing the whole issue, with Ferrari there was none of the extremes on show at either end of the spectrum from Mercedes or from Renault/Red Bull - instead the consensus is that while neither team nor engine were experiencing anything like the woes of Red Bull or Renault, and indeed were running pretty reliably at least, they weren't reaching for the stars either.

One Ferrari 'insider' was quoted in the final test saying that the Italian power unit is ceding some 75bhp to the Merc, with the Scuderia struggling to understand how the German marque was extracting so much power from the fuel restrictions.

Certainly, even before this year the Ferrari engine tended to be more fuel-thirsty than the rest. Equally certainly, there has been no rising-tide-lifts-all-boats experience with the Ferrari unit as there has with all of those powered by Mercedes, and if Ferrari has ceded ground then with engine homologation clawing it back won't be easy.

While the F14 T has looked a bit of a handful out on track, particularly with a loose rear end both upon acceleration (which caught Kimi Raikkonen out in Bahrain, resulting in him ending a test day slightly early after a smash) as well as more generally aerodynamically, something that has been a Ferrari trait for a while.

But nevertheless there seems a fairly strong case for optimism.

All the way through testing only the Ferrari has been a consistent presence among the Merc-powered teams at the business end of the timing screens.

At the very least, one would imagine that if the eight Mercedes-powered cars will get into Q3 at Melbourne then it will be the two Ferraris that complete the ten.

Raikkonen will inevitably fight each other for points.

In the third test the red cars started to show their hand, and the lap times were fairly impressive: not quite on the level on show from the Mercedes but seemingly enough to place it in the next group up with the likes of McLaren and Williams.

Edd Straw described the Scuderia as 'coming up the rails', while some optimists have Ferrari as the Merc's closest challenger.

Furthermore, the Ferrari design has just about the tightest cooling out there, which reflects well on the team's confidence in the engine's reliability and in how the whole package works together.

Its millstone of the past few years of wind tunnel correlation and having to use the Toyota tunnel in Cologne appears lifted too, with its own tunnel recalibrated, reopened and reportedly giving results that chime well with what is happening on track.

Add to it that the team turned up to the second Bahrain test with loads of upgrades may show a collective with its technical swagger back. While for those of you who like their history, on previous occasions wherein the rules have changed radically, in particular engine rules, Ferrari has tended to be right there right away.

And in a converse sense Ferrari's low profile is likely to bode well, as had a red car gone after a headline-grabbing low fuel glory run it would have set off alarm bells, that the team had felt the need to get the Italian press off its back - indeed one recalls that it was in 2012's pre-season that everyone really knew that the car then was struggling when it did precisely that.

But whatever is the case at the broadest level the Scuderia simply must deliver this year. It's got all of the budget and facilities in the world, its previous wind tunnel problems sorted and its simulation capacity much improved, star technical recruits such as James Allison and Dirk de Beer, and one of the strongest driver line ups that the sport has ever seen, both experienced and smart - exactly what you want with the new formula.

President Luca Montezemolo has already given his pronouncement, that he is 'sick of coming second', and you feel that Ferrari has to make a credible championship challenge - and unlike the one in 2012 one not so conspicuously based on the skills of one of its drivers - at the very least. There is nowhere to hide. It all should concentrate the mind beautifully.

[Nero Horse]

Whatever happens, we'll find out in the next few races. If Ferrari do well, we'll have plenty to celebrate about. If Ferrari don't, then we'll have to endure it and hope for the best until the team fix itself.

+1000

Well said. :thumb

[pavenc]

Good or Bad we will support The Scuderia!!!. They going to makes us proud in 2014 and it's going to be an exciting season.

[f1tomi8]

Alo: 'what we saw in testing was representative. Torque delivery is v diff'rent

Kimi: 'Ferrari a more relaxed team than when I was here last' and reports he & g'friend r having baby are is bulls*** ''

[f1tomi8]

I hope...
Niki Lauda: "We will only know when the first three races are over, but I think Ferrari is on roughly the same level as Mercedes"

[Ferrari Man]

I hope...
Niki Lauda: "We will only know when the first three races are over, but I think Ferrari is on roughly the same level as Mercedes"

First time I hoped Niki Lauda 's comments were right...

[anakin]

are they also playing the game?
it was first stefano then horner
now its lauda.

[tifosi1993]

http://i.imgur.com/hD8VkNM.png

[Ferrari Man]

http://i.imgur.com/hD8VkNM.png

:pray:pray:pray Come on boys ... Surprise them all..

[Hornet]

I hope...
Niki Lauda: "We will only know when the first three races are over, but I think Ferrari is on roughly the same level as Mercedes"

I hope that's true. As long as we're on the same level as Merc, we can win it.

[CurdaNeta]

Alonso: Why fuel tactics will not harm F1 for fans

Amid concerns that racing may be robbed of some excitement by drivers needing to look after fuel, Alonso expects a similar approach to previous campaigns when tyre conservation was key.

"I don't think it will be a big difference compared to the previous years, especially when Pirelli arrived in F1," said Alonso, speaking during an appearance at a Shell media event in Melbourne on Wednesday.

"We have been managing the tyres a lot because of high degradation. Now we will manage the tyres, we will manage a little bit the batteries and the fuel consumption - but all in the same way.

"It will be hard to see on TV for the spectators when we are saving two or three tenths of a second, or even from the grandstand.

"If we save three tenths of a second on one lap, at one particular grandstand we save half of one tenth - so if someone can recognise when we are saving fuel they are quite expert."

Alonso also reckons that despite a lot of talk about a whole new way of racing in 2014, the impact of the new rules would be less than many expect.

"The acceleration and torque delivery from the power unit is a little bit different, the gear usage is a little bit different compared to the past and all these tools we have available this year, we need to maximise them in a different way and need to learn a couple of things," he explained.

"But this is a motorsport competition. When the green light is on nothing will change in terms of adrenaline, overtakes, strategy, driver management, or tyre saving.

"Things will be very, very similar to last year when the green light is on."

Jonathan Noble - AutoSport

http://au.eurosport.com/formula-1/alonso-why-fuel-tactics-will-not-harm-f1-for-fans_sto4170591/story.shtml

[mark p]

what? Can someone please translate ...

It might break forum rules. Use your imagination he is saying these twitter speculation is like brown stuff falling out the sky.

[mirafiori]

what? Can someone please translate ...

Well the word means *** ****

[Ferris]

Well the word means *** ****:oops

Obviously the mods are not Italian because everytime I write the "s" word it gets deleted immediately! :lol

[gjoko-mkd]

First picture of the Fertari engine



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bih5zNtCUAAYk-f.png:large

[Paulpg87]

Alonso and Raikkonen said that is things go "ok" we can aim to podium or at least points. However there are so many variables this year that no one really knows.

source: omnicorse.it

[Rob]

Obviously the mods are not Italian because everytime I write the "s" word it gets deleted immediately! :lol

have deleted it and handed a warning, i speak Italian.

[PURE PASSION]

Alonso and Raikkonen said that is things go "ok" we can aim to podium or at least points. However there are so many variables this year that no one really knows.

source: omnicorse.it
To me they seemed a little more optimistic!!!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112862

[Paulpg87]

To me they seemed a little more optimistic!!!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112862

translation in the italian one is a little bit less optimistic. However if it's optimistic.. well better. I would like to win.

[mirafiori]

translation in the italian one is a little bit less optimistic. However if it's optimistic.. well better. I would like to win.

Careful you don't want to be to optimistic.

[Ferris]

have deleted it and handed a warning, i speak Italian.

Molto bene, allora è necessario avere dormito :lol

[Senna4Ever]

It might break forum rules. Use your imagination he is saying these twitter speculation is like brown stuff falling out the sky.

;) thank you ... I would have used my imagination but I wasn't able to decrypt the way he put the words in a row ... no matter how I tried it didn't make sense to me. But could also be my bad English as well ...

Nevertheless it seems it wasn't much information I missed ...

[Rob]

Molto bene, allora è necessario avere dormito :lol

:lol

Ero al lavoro visto solo quando tornato a casa :-D

[Ferris]

:lol

Ero al lavoro visto solo quando tornato a casa :-D

Non si può essere on-line per tutto il giorno.

[Nero Horse]

http://i.imgur.com/hD8VkNM.png

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiiDCLDIAAACmOD.png:medium

[tifosi1993]

Albert park, Melbourne, Australia (13/03/2014)

http://i.imgur.com/VKhqsvKl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/VKhqsvK.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/k68zEs3l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/k68zEs3.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/5AiiPsMl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/5AiiPsM.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/wa8SqC7l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/wa8SqC7.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/NbWBqokl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/NbWBqok.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/VH1sZtjl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/VH1sZtj.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/ZSqe5pKl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ZSqe5pK.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/zl7gKVkl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/zl7gKVk.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/VblfSXjl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/VblfSXj.jpg)

Edit:

http://i.imgur.com/Bah1umnl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Bah1umn.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/834LGihl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/834LGih.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/pM773GWl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/pM773GW.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/HS99iwQl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/HS99iwQ.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/zIkA1Axl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/zIkA1Ax.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/YpbtILll.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/YpbtILl.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/ZHlMWUzl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ZHlMWUz.jpg)

via Sutton

[SilverSpeed]

11 mins of passion:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUbnSmY_HAI#t=46

[tifosi1993]

Albert park, Melbourne, Australia (13/03/2014)

http://i.imgur.com/7NwS8Nj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/P9c9Cv9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8uupvgC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sdHfgVC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hTGukEK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bbg4ckY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DIakp7Z.jpg

via Sutton

[Jas]

LUCA SPEAKS TO US:

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has sent an open letter to fans of the Scuderia across the globe.

It reads:

Dear tifosi,

It seems incredible but another season is about to begin and I, like you, am anxious and in a state of strong trepidation - as happens to me every year, even though I have gone through so many championships as President and, before, as sporting director.

There are more unknowns and uncertainties about this season than in the past. The rule changes are profound and numerous. It's not just a matter of the new six-cylinder turbo engine, but also systems with integrated electric engines, control units with innovative and complex software, a new package of aerodynamics... In essence it's a complicated car that will also require a different driving style.

So the first target is reliability, as we clearly saw in the test sessions.

Everyone has issues; we have lined ours up and we are in the process of resolving them. We're also putting into practice an intense plan of development, which can count on the fact that the data from the wind tunnel have been confirmed by the track comparisons, something that has not happened in recent years.

It will also be a difficult championship for the spectators to follow. The drivers will have to take care that they do not wear out the tyres and save fuel. I have already said that I hope they don't turn into taxi drivers and I say that with the greatest respect to taxi drivers, but they obviously do a different job. I, like all of you, love an extreme Formula 1 where technology and drivers are always on the limit.

Such an important set of changes to the regulations is bringing some grey areas, for example fuel, software, consumption... In these I am fully expecting the FIA to be vigilant - as I'm sure they will be - to avoid any trickery, which has also taken place in the recent past but must not happen any more for the good of this sport.

So what should we expect from tomorrow? I have asked for the highest commitment from Domenicali and his team and I know that they are all doing their best. We have a strong team, the best driver pairing - who are experienced and very talented - and everyone knows what they have to do.

We can count on an important factor that only we have: the immense affection from you, our tifosi, all over the world. I ask you for your usual great support: let's not go overboard in the good moments and let's not give up in harder ones. The championship is long and the objective is clear.

Forza Ferrari!

[Alessandra]

Such an important set of changes to the regulations is bringing some grey areas, for example fuel, software, consumption... In these I am fully expecting the FIA to be vigilant - as I'm sure they will be - to avoid any trickery, which has also taken place in the recent past but must not happen any more for the good of this sport. (Domenicali)

What on earth is he alluding to?

[Ferris]

Such an important set of changes to the regulations is bringing some grey areas, for example fuel, software, consumption... In these I am fully expecting the FIA to be vigilant - as I'm sure they will be - to avoid any trickery, which has also taken place in the recent past but must not happen any more for the good of this sport. (Domenicali)

What on earth is he alluding to?

EBD, flexi wings immediately come to mind.

[RedPassion]

.

[RedPassion]

EBD, flexi wings immediately come to mind.
Modyfing mechanical items in park ferme with micro tools hidden in your hands,being caught and be let by.Building the rear suspension layout with an inclination of 25% when the rules clearly say MAX 5%.Stopping on track after qualifying or race simulating a mechanical problem when in reality is lack of fuel.Hyperexploting the park ferme rule by changing half of the car etc.. etc.. etc...And of course nothing ever happened

[f300v10]

This is a shot of the Marussia, but it shows the lovely exhaust packaging of the Ferrari turbo:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiomjgTCIAEcNts.jpg

[gjoko-mkd]

that is the best solution seen ever in F1

[Ferris]

Modyfing mechanical items in park ferme with micro tools hidden in your hands,being caught and be let by.Building the rear suspension layout with an inclination of 25% when the rules clearly say MAX 5%.Stopping on track after qualifying or race simulating a mechanical problem when in reality is lack of fuel.Hyperexploting the park ferme rule by changing half of the car etc.. etc.. etc...And of course nothing ever happened

I never heard about that first one. Cheating s! That's just blatant cheating. Nothing innovative there.

[Richred]

look at the drs ...closes very late --- settings the new system for me



Hmmm, seems to be an issue under braking and not under acceleration.... could it be braking issues with that new system?

[Jas]

is that a new cooling hole below the airbox?!

[Ferris]

Have a read of the "engine" section in this link from Pitpass. http://www.pitpass.com/51030/Whiting-clarifies-2014-rules

Particularly this section "While Whiting wouldn't confirm which supplier had done what or how, he did state no manufacturer had 'added bits,' effectively confirming Ferrari has fallen in to line." This doesn't make sense to me. In the English language when someone says that someone has fallen into line it means they have accepted the position of others. But if that was the case then how does it fit in with Charlie's comment that "no manufacturer had added bits."?

If Ferrari did "fall into line" then that would suggest that they have now adopted the shield, but that cannot be the case as Charlie stated that no manufacturer added any "bits" to their engine. Perhaps the poor use of the English phrase "fallen into line" by Pitpass means that Ferrari's current turbo solution is in-line with the regulations.???

I thought Pitpass was an English website?

[Jas]

hmmm that is very interesting

[peta_w]

Have a read of the "engine" section in this link from Pitpass. http://www.pitpass.com/51030/Whiting-clarifies-2014-rules

Particularly this section "While Whiting wouldn't confirm which supplier had done what or how, he did state no manufacturer had 'added bits,' effectively confirming Ferrari has fallen in to line." This doesn't make sense to me. In the English language when someone says that someone has fallen into line it means they have accepted the position of others. But if that was the case then how does it fit in with Charlie's comment that "no manufacturer had added bits."?

If Ferrari did "fall into line" then that would suggest that they have now adopted the shield, but that cannot be the case as Charlie stated that no manufacturer added any "bits" to their engine. Perhaps the poor use of the English phrase "fallen into line" by Pitpass means that Ferrari's current turbo solution is in-line with the regulations.???

I thought Pitpass was an English website?

Both Whiting points could be true. Remember the shielding is not part of the homologated engine. So, Ferrari may have fallen in line by agreeing to add it to the car. I read over at Forumula1 that Ferrari had agreed to add the shielding but it won't be done in Australia, they will do it after 3 races.

[Ferris]

Both Whiting points could be true. Remember the shielding is not part of the homologated engine. So, Ferrari may have fallen in line by agreeing to add it to the car. I read over at Forumula1 that Ferrari had agreed to add the shielding but it won't be done in Australia, they will do it after 3 races.

Some people were saying that this report was rubbish.

[Ferris]

Ted was saying that he was surprised that RB was not running the front camera's and that this was illegal.
I think that maybe their nose extension piece to meet the regs is actually doubling as a camera.

[Ferris]

I stand corrected. RB.... clever little buggers!

[Ferris]

Ok so clear after first practice. We need to work on our power delivery.
Starting to get worried about our race pace due to fuel conservation issues as clearly the pace is there over one lap when fuel conservation is not an issue.

I think this is where Merc could lap the field. Not because they are that much faster but because they use a lot less fuel.

[f1tomi8]

Onboard with Kimi&Alo Alo is much aggressive than Kimi.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=doiAnjUvqbo&feature=youtu.be

[Kristof_F40]

About the Turbo shield. Apparently to develop such a shield it would take some time, so probably Ferrari already started to develop this shield, but since the FIA has said there current configuration is legal they don't need to use it. However, if Merc and Renault make an official protest because a Ferrari turbo fails (if this happens) and FIA say that they need to use a shield, the risk is there that the shield isn't ready for the next race, so if the shield is already made, they just need to put it on the car.

[tifosi1993]

Albert park, Melbourne, Australia (14/03/2014)

http://i.imgur.com/ssm0Ppul.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ssm0Ppu.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/ATZsU6ml.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/ATZsU6m.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/vm3P9Mql.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/vm3P9Mq.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/JlexzGHl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/JlexzGH.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/4zIIlZ2l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/4zIIlZ2.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/QZpsfVyl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/QZpsfVy.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/KJMOoZkl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/KJMOoZk.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/EiEy4fsl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/EiEy4fs.jpg)

[F1NAC]

Such an important set of changes to the regulations is bringing some grey areas, for example fuel, software, consumption... In these I am fully expecting the FIA to be vigilant - as I'm sure they will be - to avoid any trickery, which has also taken place in the recent past but must not happen any more for the good of this sport. (Domenicali)

What on earth is he alluding to?

Omg stefano do your work and shut up. Be inovative. No wonder why we don't have inovations anymore

[Jas]

Omg stefano do your work and shut up. Be inovative. No wonder why we don't have inovations anymore

That comment was made by Luca in his address to the tiffossi!

[Alessandra]

Omg stefano do your work and shut up. Be inovative. No wonder why we don't have inovations anymore

I'm sorry - I meant to put (LDM), not (Domenicali), just to indicate who wrote the piece, not who was being referred to! Pace Stefano:pray

[Jas]

Had to share this regarding red bull...very clever, yet so simple, however arnt our cameras used positively to aid air flow?

LINK HERE TO SEE PIC http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/481085/Tech_Talk_Red_Bull_hiding_FOM_camera_in_nose/

Tech Talk: Red Bull hiding FOM camera in nose

Friday 14th March 2014, 19:14 by TF1T Staff



Red Bull appeared to be running an illegal car during practice one and two for the Australian Grand Prix. However it turns out that they've come up with an ingenious solution to the mandatory FOM camera requirements.

All 22 cars on the grid must run five camera housings which can be used by FOM during the season to provide onboard footage. Whilst not all of these housings will have a working camera, they carry a dummy camera to the same weight and size to ensure no competitior is advantaged of disadvantaged.

As you can see on the above image, the RB10 doesn't have any visible camera mounts on the front of the car. Compare that to the image below of the Mercedes, and the camera mounts are clearly visible.

These small wings provide drag, albeit a small amount, and therefore hinder the airflow running over the car despite the designers best attempts at placing them in the best possible location to minimise the effects.

The inset image above sheds light on how Red Bull have managed to get around having these wings. Above the 'o' of Casio, a small hole can be seen which is for the FOM camera lens to see out of.

Red Bull have mounted the cameras within the vanity panel of the nose. Whilst a small opening on the nose will also provide drag and airflow disruption, it has a far smaller effect than the traditional approach.

It's likely the legality of Red Bull's solution will be questioned, but the technical regulations don't state anything about the mountings having to be placed externally, or a certain distance from the centre line of the car.

[blaney1977]

Iv just read somewhere that ferrari are not getting enough from the ers system and is causing us too burn more fuel? Is that a problem that should be fixable? Is that why we can't run full power in race conditions?

[Ferris]

Iv just read somewhere that ferrari are not getting enough from the ers system and is causing us too burn more fuel? Is that a problem that should be fixable? Is that why we can't run full power in race conditions?

Depends on what type of issue it is. I suppose to some degree it is a good sign that they have an ERS issue as they are no as quick as Merc and ERS is a big factor in overall performance so once they get that fixed they should be a lot closer to them and hopefully have a more driveable PU also.

[gjoko-mkd]

From the latest tech update with Scarbs, the Ferrari water-air intercooler.


http://i.imgur.com/7wjdK1U.png

by Owen from f1.techical

[anakin]

ferrari didn't bring any updates right?
the car was very similar to the last test in Bahrain.
I don't know if I noticed it right but I think ferrari are the only car out there without the monkey seat.