2022 F1 news/rumours

[FerrariF60]

Wolff and Hamilton won. masi is not the race director anymore. Hamilton already getting gifts before the season starts. Also, conversations between TP and race control to be kept secret and not broadcast anymore. Another win for sneaky Toto.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-removes-masi-announces-new-virtual-f1-race-control-system/8254024/

freacking Shamilton...i dislike that guy with a passion as well as toto
hope Ferrari will show them all who is boss on track this year

[ferrari1.8t]

freacking Shamilton...i dislike that guy with a passion as well as toto
hope Ferrari will show them all who is boss on track this year

The feeling is mutual. The hold and control they have on the sport is disgusting. I’m sure Toto is already getting protests ready for our car…

[stefa]

freacking Shamilton...i dislike that guy with a passion as well as toto
hope Ferrari will show them all who is boss on track this year
:thumb

Ohh how i hope we will shut their mouth this year with hard slap on the face!

[paneristi]

Who knows how much Merc paid FIA to let them won. Yes, they couldnt win until they lobbied FIA to use engine the’d researched years ahead. Wish all Mercedes powered cars to never win again.
Wolff and Hamilton won. masi is not the race director anymore. Hamilton already getting gifts before the season starts. Also, conversations between TP and race control to be kept secret and not broadcast anymore. Another win for sneaky Toto.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-removes-masi-announces-new-virtual-f1-race-control-system/8254024/

[PURE PASSION]

The "real" REDBULL??
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[jgonzalesm6]

2022 Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS F1 Team Car Launch | Meet the F1 W13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey4awm5TtUU

[paolo lalli]

Massive has a new position in the fia they will probably make him the president and shove it right up Toto's cullo just for good measure.They will allow him and lewis to think they have won,just let the dust settle.

[stefa]

The "real" REDBULL??
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Most probably

[paneristi]

Here comes Mercedes

https://youtu.be/Ey4awm5TtUU

[tifosi1993]

The new Merc

https://i.imgur.com/RVdAy6u.jpeg

[patrese86]

Looks **** :D

[Schumiklub]

This looks like the show car just painted.

[stefa]

So boring...... 18 minutes into presentation and not a single shot of car!

[tifosi1993]

The MEHcedes W13

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL3hT5XXoAQlhxW?format=jpg&name=orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL3hGjuXoAIq6NV?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[stefa]

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7937&stc=1

[SS454]

The renders they released are quite different than the actual launch car. Always a a farse is Mercedes.

As for the real car, the body work looks extremely tight, even though it's quite boring. Very similar to AM (surprise surprise), Mercedes run a very flat angle just outside the radiator inlets. They really are trying to kick out that air as hard as they can it seems. The waves in the floor are something new. And the rear wing is quite a lot different than what anyone else has shown. The front wing looks to be elevated, much like AM (surprise surprise), but what is surprising is that it appears the nose connects to the lower element. They also have the most extreme curvature to the front wing elements. It seems teams that have the high wing run very aggressive wing angles, and the low wing teams have smaller elements and less angle of attack. Even if their chassis isn't the best, the rear fear is in the PU under the bodywork. An advantage they enjoyed the entire hybrid era, aside from Ferrari's 2019 non-compliant PU.

[Schumiklub]

It’s a nice looking car, very small side pods, but looks conventional, our looks radical and I hope it’s fast.

[paneristi]

Agree

It’s a nice looking car, very small side pods, but looks conventional, our looks radical and I hope it’s fast.

[330 p4]

Merc looks like their last load of cars retro fitted with new wings and floor to make the current rules. They were the best during last generation but as these new rules are supposed to completely change how F1 cars work aero wise let's hope this Merc does not work with what's now possible. Did they simply not have enough budget/CFD/Windtunnel time for this car (they had the least). If this does have the best aero then new rules would be a failure as this is just a continuation on the whole of last generations cars slightly updated to fit new rules.

[JPZ]

The silver livery and narrow sidepods look good, but seems to be a conservative design overall.

[Tony]

The floor looks pretty interesting, seems to be quite a bit of channeling?

[stefa]

Mercedes W13 on track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvcRVPH970w

[nani_s23]

Looking at the cars so far … it’s gonna be good fight for the title this year.

Although no one show their real car at launch, judging by the latest leaks RB/Merc/Ferrari nailed it. I might be wrong come testing

[SS454]

The more I looked at it, the more I'd say it is not a conservative approach. The sidepods are extremely slim. They have a huge channel in the center of the wing, around the nose to let the tunnels gulp up good clean air. Perhaps even getting a benefit of a "Y250" vortex which proved vital in the previous generation cars. They really tried to maximize the coke bottle and there is a massive amount of floor exposed, allowing clean air to get to the beam wing and top of the diffuser, which should mean a greater pressure differential and thus more downforce. The front wing is very aggressive with a steep angle of attack which suggests downforce. I wouldn't be surprised if the car has a lot of drag, but because the Mercedes PU usually has a significant power advantage, then this likely won't be a problem.

This car scares me.

[SS454]

Looking at the cars so far … it’s gonna be good fight for the title this year.

Although no one show their real car at launch, judging by the latest leaks RB/Merc/Ferrari nailed it. I might be wrong come testing

Red Bull only launched the show care with the 2022 livery. I'd say we are yet to see if they nailed it.

[PURE PASSION]

The more I looked at it, the more I'd say it is not a conservative approach. The sidepods are extremely slim. They have a huge channel in the center of the wing, around the nose to let the tunnels gulp up good clean air. Perhaps even getting a benefit of a "Y250" vortex which proved vital in the previous generation cars. They really tried to maximize the coke bottle and there is a massive amount of floor exposed, allowing clean air to get to the beam wing and top of the diffuser, which should mean a greater pressure differential and thus more downforce. The front wing is very aggressive with a steep angle of attack which suggests downforce. I wouldn't be surprised if the car has a lot of drag, but because the Mercedes PU usually has a significant power advantage, then this likely won't be a problem.

This car scares me.
ITs 2 differrent ways of interpretation of the rules . I still say Merc has a more concervative approach BUT they execute it to the extreme !!! Ours is the most radical approatch with extreme solutions in many elements. For this Merc might be more logical to be quite fast but im not concern like we chose the same path but they did it better,like McLaren.Ours is a big question mark and so uniq and radical so nobody really knows how exactly and if it works !!! But if it will work like the team expect to, then i have the felling that in will be the best. I see that the team has a certainty like they have tried all the other solutions and found something special i this concept.

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari know it works they have the data and apparently it is extremely positive.We can flog this topic until blue as fans we are limited to knowledge only press talk,We wait until race 1 then we start directing the issues.

[Gilles]

Ferrari know it works they have the data and apparently it is extremely positive.We can flog this topic until blue as fans we are limited to knowledge only press talk,We wait until race 1 then we start directing the issues.

And press talk don't help, pre-season is so bs

[Gilles]

RB seems to be not conservative
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[jgonzalesm6]

RB seems to be not conservative
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Hard to tell from the pic. I've seen a clearer pic of the RB18 inside the garage but there are crew all over the car building a shield to protect it from prying eyes. You can't see much. RedBull are being very secretive about their car.

We'll see a better picture come testing on the RB18 to include the rest of the field.

[phsyklone]

The first on board shots from these new cars
https://gp-videos.com/video-first-onboards-of-new-mercedes-f1-car-with-lewis-hamilton-and-george-russell/

[redzone]

I've seen a clearer pic of the RB18 inside the garage but there are crew all over the car building a shield to protect it from prying eyes.


https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/RB-Pull-596x1024.jpg.webp


RB going pullrod like Mclaren?

[JPZ]

https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/RB-Pull-596x1024.jpg.webp


RB going pullrod like Mclaren?

So Bybit is now sponsoring Red Bull as well as Tezos.

Quite a lot of crypto advertising in F1 at the moment, such as FTX for Mercedes and crypto.com for F1.

The Ethereum Foundation has also been rumoured to have shown interest in sponsoring an F1 team.

[jgonzalesm6]

Gotta love mother nature in certain instances in F1.

One of those instances is a slight rain or drizzle on the track. During the W13 shakedown (along with the FW44), you could see the turbulence right before the rear wheel caused by the floor. It was quite interesting. Now look at the vortices underneath the front wing of the W13 during its wet shakedown in slow motion. Very interesting how the aero works underneath the front portion of the car.

https://twitter.com/f1talks/status/1495109911956623364?cxt=HHwWiMC4peSi2b8pAAAA


High humidity is another reason to see how the aero works on an F1 car.

[jgonzalesm6]

W13 shakedown at Silverstone. Rooster tail or wake of the car and CFD veiws which are in line with the desired results.

https://twitter.com/AeroGandalf/status/1495064532187758599/photo/1

https://twitter.com/AeroGandalf/status/1495064532187758599/photo/2

https://twitter.com/AeroGandalf/status/1495064532187758599/photo/3

https://twitter.com/AeroGandalf/status/1495064532187758599/photo/4

[Galvonero]

Gotta love mother nature in certain instances in F1.

One of those instances is a slight rain or drizzle on the track. During the W13 shakedown (along with the FW44), you could see the turbulence right before the rear wheel caused by the floor. It was quite interesting. Now look at the vortices underneath the front wing of the W13 during its wet shakedown in slow motion. Very interesting how the aero works underneath the front portion of the car.

https://twitter.com/f1talks/status/1495109911956623364?cxt=HHwWiMC4peSi2b8pAAAA


High humidity is another reason to see how the aero works on an F1 car.

What I found more interesting was this post slightly below on that tweet... Is this what Redbull is trying to hide? Is it legal?

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[jgonzalesm6]

https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/RB-Pull-596x1024.jpg.webp


RB going pullrod like Mclaren?

yep, that's the pic.

Yeah, pullrod up front and pushrod in the back.


So Bybit is now sponsoring Red Bull as well as Tezos.

Quite a lot of crypto advertising in F1 at the moment, such as FTX for Mercedes and crypto.com for F1.

The Ethereum Foundation has also been rumoured to have shown interest in sponsoring an F1 team.

Yep, alot of crypto advertising and sponsorship in the teams and in F1 currently


What I found more interesting was this post slightly below on that tweet... Is this what Redbull is trying to hide? Is it legal?

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Probably so...I really don't know.....but it is legal.... like a massive T-wing aft on the engine cover.

[jgonzalesm6]

It seems Michael Andretti wants to start an F1 team from scratch.......he is eyeing 2024. Michael Andretti has already submitted to the FIA for approval.

There are several articles on this issue. Standby as further progress will come to light in the year or 2.

Good luck.

btw, this is his second attempt at entering F1.

[Gilles]

https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/RB-Pull-596x1024.jpg.webp


RB going pullrod like Mclaren?
Is it possible? Singles arms suspension or my eyes are bad?

[Gilles]

Just got back from an RB18 forum, yes the pic shows something innovative on the suspension arms

[jgonzalesm6]

HAAS hits the track for its filming session at Catalunya.

https://twitter.com/HaasF1Team/status/1495682741177827330


Oh look, vertical cooling louvers on the HAAS car. HAAS has sidepods like the Ferrari F1-75.



More still pics of the HAAS VF-22

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1495687859008946179/photo/3

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1495687859008946179/photo/1

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1495687859008946179/photo/2


https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1495691081224175616/photo/1

[SS454]

The real HAAS is nothing like the launch car. I guess the launch car was nothing more than a fake rendering.

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1495689288238911491/photo/1

Side pods are completely different. Much larger radiator inlets. Front wing is flatter like the Ferrari's. Air intake has the horns like Ferrari. Rear wing is like Ferrari's. A couple of interesting fins on the sidepods near the drivers head.

[tifosi1993]

The Haas looks like it will able to race tomorrow, if there were to be a race tomorrow. It looks to be complete, the most detailed car we've seen so far. But that's to be expected, since testing is less that 48 hours away.

Can't wait to see the real F1-75.

[jgonzalesm6]

Alpine F1 2022 Car Launch - LIVE Countdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPxoaKLiGBc

[jgonzalesm6]

Mclaren on track for its filming session.

https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/1495787281315160067?cxt=HHwWhoCzpe-mjcIpAAAA

https://twitter.com/SalaStampRacing/status/1495787878445637640/photo/1

[jgonzalesm6]

Drivers itinerary so far during Catalunya testing.....updates coming soon.

https://twitter.com/JunaidSamodien_/status/1495770234560684035/photo/1

[jgonzalesm6]

Mclaren from the front

https://twitter.com/JunaidSamodien_/status/1495804026558062600/photo/1

https://twitter.com/JunaidSamodien_/status/1495804539961806860/photo/1

[evil_cloud]

https://twitter.com/AlpineF1Team/status/1495817498201145350?s=20&t=PUFkRSecK7nujWcXeNQR6w

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

The pink Force India is back :lol

[SS454]

https://twitter.com/AlpineF1Team/status/1495817498201145350?s=20&t=PUFkRSecK7nujWcXeNQR6w

New Alpine looks the least impressive so far. I like the front wing though. It has a low design like Ferrari, this seems to be a popular idea now that the real cars are coming out. What is unique is Alpine is the only team so far to heavily load the outboard section with an aggressive kick up. I am not sure this is really for downforce rather than trying to steer the air up and outwards over the front tire. It's definitely different than the usual low out wash strategy.

The front of the side pods have an aggressive slope down, much like Ferrari, which is supposed to give some high pressure on the front of the floor. Not a ton of undercut after that. Also not much coke bottle effect. It has a lot of similarities to the AlphaTauri, just with a much bulkier sidepod. The louvers look very simplistic. Very big air intake which suggests this intake is for the engine and likely the intercooler as well. Maybe even other coolers. The radiator intakes are very thin and a bit wide. The rear wing is the only one to be flat all the way across. Not the huge V shape like most have launched. Will this be more true to the real wings or is it just a dummy?

Also very little talk about Otmar going to Apline and I guess BWT went with him.

[Tony]

It seems Michael Andretti wants to start an F1 team from scratch.......he is eyeing 2024. Michael Andretti has already submitted to the FIA for approval.

There are several articles on this issue. Standby as further progress will come to light in the year or 2.

Good luck.

btw, this is his second attempt at entering F1.

They already have a contract with Renault to supply the engine

[bonzo]

Is the Sochi GP in danger of cancellation?

[Kyss4k]

Is the Sochi GP in danger of cancellation?

Didn't hear anything yet. Probably will depend on how will the situation continue. In the worst case... all races could be in danger.

[ferenc_k]

Is the Sochi GP in danger of cancellation?

I very much hope so. ((The Russians will not stop where they are at the moment.))

[330 p4]

I very much hope so. ((The Russians will not stop where they are at the moment.))

What about Haas main sponsor and Mazepin?

[paolo lalli]

For sure Russian gp will be canned if Russia persists with this invasion.Russia will be sanctioned to the dark ages if putin the terrible continues on this self destructive path.He cares very little for the Russian people and the long term suffering that awaits.Wake up vlad.

[paneristi]

https://www.grandprix247.com/2022/02/22/alonso-i-dont-think-anything-was-wrong-in-abu-dhabi/

[Riccardog]

https://www.grandprix247.com/2022/02/22/alonso-i-dont-think-anything-was-wrong-in-abu-dhabi/

indeed, Alonso and lh have never been the bestest of mates!!! :-):clap:clap:clap

[ferrari1.8t]

Hamilton: F1 needs non-biased stewards

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lewis-hamilton-fia-f1-stewards-unbiased-8424330/8424330/

Is this guy serious? His whole career and success is based off of bias in his favour. I don’t think another driver has had as much help as him and now he’s asking for non-bias stewards? Be careful what you wish for lulu, you might just get exposed for the mediocre driver that you are. This man is clueless, just retire already.

[stefa]

Hamilton: F1 needs non-biased stewards

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lewis-hamilton-fia-f1-stewards-unbiased-8424330/8424330/

Is this guy serious? His whole career and success is based off of bias in his favour. I don’t think another driver has had as much help as him and now he’s asking for non-bias stewards? Be careful what you wish for lulu, you might just get exposed for the mediocre driver that you are. This man is clueless, just retire already.

Well said :clap

[ferrari1.8t]

Wolff says Andretti will need to prove worth to join F1

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/wolff-says-andretti-will-need-to-prove-worth-to-join-f1/8431356/

Since when is it up to Wolff who is worthy to be in F1? It was ok giving your car to your buddy Stroll to copy, but Andretti doesn’t have a place in F1? Wolff should just make a spin off series where 20 Mercedes’ race against each other and only Hamilton is allowed to win every race. This guy is delusional and needs to be taken down a few pegs. You don’t control F1 Wolff….

[WS6TransAm01]

Hamilton: F1 needs non-biased stewards

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lewis-hamilton-fia-f1-stewards-unbiased-8424330/8424330/

Is this guy serious? His whole career and success is based off of bias in his favour. I don’t think another driver has had as much help as him and now he’s asking for non-bias stewards? Be careful what you wish for lulu, you might just get exposed for the mediocre driver that you are. This man is clueless, just retire already.

Hamilton is the Affirmative Action Champion. Promoted in the name of woke diversity by any means necessary. Nico realized it and bounced.

[wisepie]

Hamilton is the Affirmative Action Champion. Promoted in the name of woke diversity by any means necessary. Nico realized it and bounced.

You've hit the nail on the head in your usual outlandish manner!:-P

[WS6TransAm01]

You've hit the nail on the head in your usual outlandish manner!:-P

LOL :thumb

Im here to keep things lively!

[Ferrari312T4]

I think he's being salty because the FIA cancelled his kneeling for BLM show.

[jgonzalesm6]

Wolff says Andretti will need to prove worth to join F1

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/wolff-says-andretti-will-need-to-prove-worth-to-join-f1/8431356/

Since when is it up to Wolff who is worthy to be in F1? It was ok giving your car to your buddy Stroll to copy, but Andretti doesn’t have a place in F1? Wolff should just make a spin off series where 20 Mercedes’ race against each other and only Hamilton is allowed to win every race. This guy is delusional and needs to be taken down a few pegs. You don’t control F1 Wolff….

All 10 teams consider themselves "stakeholders" in F1 meaning the prize money that gets dished out to each team.

Another team in F1 means the existing teams prize money gets less. Now the grid can hold 26 cars, but they don't call F1 the "Piranha" club.

I'm pessimistic that Andretti has the financial backing to start an F1 team from scratch in Indianapolis. His best bet is to buy an existing team rather than start a new one.

Andretti doesn't have Lawrence Strolls financial clout or savvy sorry to say. He doesn't even look like he has a "Type A" personality to survive in F1.

[ferrari1.8t]

All 10 teams consider themselves "stakeholders" in F1 meaning the prize money that gets dished out to each team.

Another team in F1 means the existing teams prize money gets less. Now the grid can hold 26 cars, but they don't call F1 the "Piranha" club.

I'm pessimistic that Andretti has the financial backing to start an F1 team from scratch in Indianapolis. His best bet is to buy an existing team rather than start a new one.

Andretti doesn't have Lawrence Strolls financial clout or savvy sorry to say. He doesn't even look like he has a "Type A" personality to survive in F1.

I understand and agree with your comments. I just dislike Wolff, his arrogance and his control on this sport.

[Tony]

Guys, please keep political discussion off these boards, it just promotes division within this community and it's not really in the spirit of being Tifosi.

[330 p4]

I think he's being salty because the FIA cancelled his kneeling for BLM show.

Nah, he has a spring in his step as Masi has been locked up in a cell under FIA HQ where he has to stay on his knee for 12 month whilst bowing to a picture of Hamilton.

[paneristi]

Well said :clap
+1

[Nick Singer]

I see that Sir Lewis Hamilton is already playing games, trying to suggest there's maybe more than meets the eye to our 'perceived' advantage already.

He truly is a loathsome individual - for this and a variety of reasons but that's not for this forum! So pleased Max got the crown last year.

https://racingnews365.com/hamilton-curious-to-see-if-ferrari-are-several-months-ahead

[Tifoso]

I see that Sir Lewis Hamilton is already playing games, trying to suggest there's maybe more than meets the eye to our 'perceived' advantage already.

He truly is a loathsome individual - for this and a variety of reasons but that's not for this forum! So pleased Max got the crown last year.

https://racingnews365.com/hamilton-curious-to-see-if-ferrari-are-several-months-ahead
It was the greatest part of last season seeing Hamilton lose out on the WDC. May he never win another.

[Gilles]

It was the greatest part of last season seeing Hamilton lose out on the WDC. May he never win another.

I hope it somewhere. Could it give some reality lesson to his stupid fans, those that are not able to support anything but the winner, arrogantly.

[stefa]

It was the greatest part of last season seeing Hamilton lose out on the WDC. May he never win another.

Amen to that!

[paolo lalli]

3 chains has issues i do not believe that his head space is really where it has to be,I expect lewis will start poorly a fast ferrari a fast McLaren and red bull with a hungry partner and a very completive midfield makes 3 chains lewis easy pickings.I will just throw it out there guys and gal's an early retirement is coming should the situation of this years cars rattle lewis.

[Brembo]

What a great F-1 season coming up ! Every race will big . 4 teams in the mix for WCC from the start. And that #8 WDC possibly being reached. Ferrari looks strong as far as podium bound each race !!! Millions in sponsor$$ and fan attendance !!!

[Nick Singer]

Hamilton is the Affirmative Action Champion. Promoted in the name of woke diversity by any means necessary. Nico realized it and bounced.

I think ROS bounced because he knew he'd not win another WDC without a lot of poor luck for Sir Lew.

Agree, however, that he's Mr Woke-Champion!

[ferrari1.8t]

It was the greatest part of last season seeing Hamilton lose out on the WDC. May he never win another.

May he never win another race ever again. But don’t worry, if we get lucky and Merc isn’t competitive this season, he will start crying again that the rules were changed just to stop him from winning.

[ferrari1.8t]

Binotto: Ferrari still F1 "outsider" and not favourite in 2022

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/binotto-ferrari-still-f1-outsider-and-not-favourite-in-2022/8483405/

Has Binotto taken a page out of Mercs sandbagging handbook? Or is he genuinely concerned and we are still not in the title fight? I hope we are competitive from race 1, I can’t take much more of Merc winning.

[tifosi1993]

Binotto: Ferrari still F1 "outsider" and not favourite in 2022

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/binotto-ferrari-still-f1-outsider-and-not-favourite-in-2022/8483405/

Has Binotto taken a page out of Mercs sandbagging handbook? Or is he genuinely concerned and we are still not in the title fight? I hope we are competitive from race 1, I can’t take much more of Merc winning.

He is proud of the car and the team, and that pretty much says it all really.

But I do think Binotto should be more combative when dealing with Mercedes. Mercedes is maybe in trouble, but he should still hype them up and turn all the spotlights on them.

[scudieros]

Russian GP cancelled

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1497181295532777475?s=20&t=wTZJj8Yz8hrVibs4eSR4hw

[wisepie]

He is proud of the car and the team, and that pretty much says it all really.

But I do think Binotto should be more combative when dealing with Mercedes. Mercedes is maybe in trouble, but he should still hype them up and turn all the spotlights on them.

I'd be surprised if Merc was really in trouble, the usual sandbagging probably, I'll never under-estimate Merc, Red Bull or Mclaren to spring a surprise come Bahrain. Meanwhile, Ferrari are doing pretty well and not shouting too much about it.

[jgonzalesm6]

Russian GP cancelled

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1497181295532777475?s=20&t=wTZJj8Yz8hrVibs4eSR4hw

According to race promoter Rosgonki, the race has been suspended due to "Force majeure events" and that it is possible the race will take place as scheduled.

[Nick Singer]

According to race promoter Rosgonki, the race has been suspended due to "Force majeure events" and that it is possible the race will take place as scheduled.

Unlikely, I hope!

Short of military intervention - a non-starter; far, far too massive a risk of massive escalation! - Puketin, Russia and Russians (those who leave the Sov.. sorry, almost said 'Soviet Union' - Russia.. - for business, cultural events or sport) should face the toughest possible sanctions across the world.

Sadly, certain countries (cough, cough..) are not as steadfast as others..

Probs get deleted for being 'political'.. :-D

[jgonzalesm6]

Unlikely, I hope!

Short of military intervention - a non-starter; far, far too massive a risk of massive escalation! - Puketin, Russia and Russians (those who leave the Sov.. sorry, almost said 'Soviet Union' - Russia.. - for business, cultural events or sport) should face the toughest possible sanctions across the world.

Sadly, certain countries (cough, cough..) are not as steadfast as others..

Probs get deleted for being 'political'.. :-D

Great time for Andretti to step in and takeover HAAS due to the Uralkali sponsorship and quite possibly Nikita Mazepin's seat.

Andretti might not have the funds at this time due to up-and-coming events.

It would be a "cheaper" way for him to get into F1 rather than starting a new team from scratch.

[Toothlessrage*]

Great time for Andretti to step in and takeover HAAS due to the Uralkali sponsorship and quite possibly Nikita Mazepin's seat.

Andretti might not have the funds at this time due to up-and-coming events.

It would be a "cheaper" way for him to get into F1 rather than starting a new team from scratch.

Having 2 American teams would be nice!

[tpe]

Nothing political here.
But if US companies don't help HAAS, it will be a shame for them...
In my eyes, it's already but that's another story

[paneristi]

https://www.grandprix247.com/2022/02/25/horner-that-masi-and-his-family-received-death-threats-is-not-right/

[SS454]

https://www.grandprix247.com/2022/02/25/horner-that-masi-and-his-family-received-death-threats-is-not-right/

It's too bad that wasn't news. Latifi also received death threats. We all know how big of a story it would be if it was Lewis that got threats.

[Brembo]

May he never win another race ever again. But don’t worry, if we get lucky and Merc isn’t competitive this season, he will start crying again that the rules were changed just to stop him from winning.

Well a few rule changes with Masi's help worked for the last WDC ! He wound up staying @ 7 WDCs. $$$$ from sponsors & attendance for2022!! 23 races !! F-1 I hope will never be boring .

[jgonzalesm6]

last car launch


ALFA ROMEO | FORMULA ONE 2022 CAR LAUNCH | C42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atDg2JFWBfE

[Nick Singer]

last car launch


ALFA ROMEO | FORMULA ONE 2022 CAR LAUNCH | C42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atDg2JFWBfE

Not sure what that is.. but the Sky Sports YouTube short video is OK.

Anyway, I think it looks great.

[paneristi]

It's too bad that wasn't news. Latifi also received death threats. We all know how big of a story it would be if it was Lewis that got threats. P R E C I S E L Y

[stefa]

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[stefa]

Alfa Romeo is first team that has done something with ugly 2022 rims!

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[wisepie]

Alfa Romeo is first team that has done something with ugly 2022 rims!

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Maybe we'll get the gold Ferrari rims back or at least gold covers with a swivelling prancing horse!;-)

[PURE PASSION]

Alfa Romeo is first team that has done something with ugly 2022 rims!

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Ι have the fealling that all team will do something with their rims . They just didnt bother in the tests

[stefa]

Maybe we'll get the gold Ferrari rims back or at least gold covers with a swivelling prancing horse!;-)


Ι have the fealling that all team will do something with their rims . They just didnt bother in the tests

I surely hope so!

[Gilles]

Did you see that !?!? :-Ehttps://www.linkedin.com/pulse/simulating-williams-fw43bar-part-1-all-simulations-wrong-david-penner/
Incredible 2022 Williams CFD analysis job !!

[jgonzalesm6]

Did you see that !?!? :-Ehttps://www.linkedin.com/pulse/simulating-williams-fw43bar-part-1-all-simulations-wrong-david-penner/
Incredible 2022 Williams CFD analysis job !!


ummmm, the analysis is of the 2021 car.

[SS454]

Did you see that !?!? :-Ehttps://www.linkedin.com/pulse/simulating-williams-fw43bar-part-1-all-simulations-wrong-david-penner/
Incredible 2022 Williams CFD analysis job !!

As jgonzalesm6 pointed out, 2021 car. Unbelievably detailed report though. Some very interesting take-aways too.

The louvers on the body work causing a huge disruption of the boundary layer. This supports concerns of what Ferrari's sidepods might be doing, and may prove that Ferrari have a genius solution to work around that on the F1-75

The exhaust flow has such a big impact on rear wing downforce. Not terribly surprising, but it shows it's quite significant. Gives an idea of just how powerful the exhaust blown diffusers were.

[Gilles]

ummmm, the analysis is of the 2021 car.
Oops, y're right
A bit less accurate, of course, even if deserve a look (never seen that)

[jgonzalesm6]

Oops, y're right
A bit less accurate, of course, even if deserve a look (never seen that)

:thumb

[jgonzalesm6]

Telegraaf reports that Max Verstappen and Red Bull agree on a mega contract renewal. Max is set for a four/five year contract deal that would earn him around 50mio per year!

https://twitter.com/ErikvHaren/status/1498906515146788864/photo/1

https://twitter.com/ErikvHaren/status/1498906515146788864/photo/2

[SS454]

Telegraaf reports that Max Verstappen and Red Bull agree on a mega contract renewal. Max is set for a four/five year contract deal that would earn him around 50mio per year!

https://twitter.com/ErikvHaren/status/1498906515146788864/photo/1

https://twitter.com/ErikvHaren/status/1498906515146788864/photo/2

I still think that driver salary should be part of the budget cap. At least to some degree.

[Greig]

I still think that driver salary should be part of the budget cap. At least to some degree.

And turn F1 into pay per drive? no thanks.

[Nick Singer]

And turn F1 into pay per drive? no thanks.

Indeed.

Maz.. [cough, cough..] epin!

BTW, given UKR sit. Neither Mazepin, Uralkali nor any other Russian entity should be anywhere near F1 or any other sport, IMAAHO..

[SS454]

And turn F1 into pay per drive? no thanks.

There would still have to be a figure that hits against the salary cap. Kind of like in big sports, a players salary doesn't always represent the hit on the cap.

There would have to be a structure in place, otherwise half the grid could be drivers buying their way in.

The way it is now, teams like Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull just saved like 200-300 million dollars with the salary cap, so they can afford to throw all the money they want at drivers, while the small teams will still struggle to keep talent.

[jgonzalesm6]

Indeed.

Maz.. [cough, cough..] epin!

BTW, given UKR sit. Neither Mazepin, Uralkali nor any other Russian entity should be anywhere near F1 or any other sport, IMAAHO..

Well, the UK is banning anyone with a Russian license or Belarusian license, to include teams, from racing in the UK.

The FIA just had a meeting yesterday regarding the Russion-Ukraine issue.


There would still have to be a figure that hits against the salary cap. Kind of like in big sports, a players salary doesn't always represent the hit on the cap.

There would have to be a structure in place, otherwise half the grid could be drivers buying their way in.

The way it is now, teams like Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull just saved like 200-300 million dollars with the salary cap, so they can afford to throw all the money they want at drivers, while the small teams will still struggle to keep talent.

I like the current pay structure with regards to the drivers--> "the cream rises to the top"....unless your dad is super rich, then you're just taking up space on the F1 grid. i.e. Stroll, Latifi, and Mazepin.

Most F1 drivers(not all) start on the lower teams....and then prove themselves to the top teams like Schumacher, Alonso and Vettel.

[Greig]

There would still have to be a figure that hits against the salary cap. Kind of like in big sports, a players salary doesn't always represent the hit on the cap.

There would have to be a structure in place, otherwise half the grid could be drivers buying their way in.

The way it is now, teams like Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull just saved like 200-300 million dollars with the salary cap, so they can afford to throw all the money they want at drivers, while the small teams will still struggle to keep talent.

Why would talent not want to move to top teams? budget cap won't stop that.

[SS454]

Why would talent not want to move to top teams? budget cap won't stop that.

Why are they top teams? For the most part. Money. Williams once was a top team, but their budget dwindled away, the good drivers, designers, and technicians left to the teams that could pay.

It'd just be nice all the teams in F1 had a better chance of success, and not just a stepping stone for drivers to move to one of three or four bigger teams. The way it is now the smaller teams can never develop a car around a great driver because that driver is likely gone in a couple years and it's back to some rookie.

[Greig]

Why are they top teams? For the most part. Money. Williams once was a top team, but their budget dwindled away, the good drivers, designers, and technicians left to the teams that could pay.

It'd just be nice all the teams in F1 had a better chance of success, and not just a stepping stone for drivers to move to one of three or four bigger teams. The way it is now the smaller teams can never develop a car around a great driver because that driver is likely gone in a couple years and it's back to some rookie.

So you want the NFL or NHL? no thanks.....

[SS454]

So you want the NFL or NHL? no thanks.....

How many competitive teams are in the NHL? Every year 16 teams have a chance of winning the cup, even more when you look at the battles just to get into the playoffs.

How many teams have had a chance to win the F1 championship in the last 8 years?

[ferrari1.8t]

How many competitive teams are in the NHL? Every year 16 teams have a chance of winning the cup, even more when you look at the battles just to get into the playoffs.

How many teams have had a chance to win the F1 championship in the last 8 years?

16 teams have a chance to make the playoffs, but only 8 are really competitive…8 out of 32 teams have a chance to win. Normally in F1 2-3 have a chance to win out of 10. Pretty much the same odds, only difference is the last 8 years of Merc corruption has skewed the odds.

[Greig]

How many competitive teams are in the NHL? Every year 16 teams have a chance of winning the cup, even more when you look at the battles just to get into the playoffs.

How many teams have had a chance to win the F1 championship in the last 8 years?

Leafs are still waiting.....so can't be that great to manufacture different winners :-D

[ferrari1.8t]

Leafs are still waiting.....so can't be that great to manufacture different winners :-D

I know your making fun of me, but I don’t care. I still believe that Hamilton is trash and a fake champion.

As far as the leafs are concerned, this years our year! I’ve said that every year for the last 5 years lol. Same with Roma! It’s hard for me to be a sports fan… AS Roma, Toronto Maple Leafs and Ferrari lol. At least Italy took the Euros!

[SS454]

16 teams have a chance to make the playoffs, but only 8 are really competitive…8 out of 32 teams have a chance to win. Normally in F1 2-3 have a chance to win out of 10. Pretty much the same odds, only difference is the last 8 years of Merc corruption has skewed the odds.

Between 2014 and 2021 the NHL has seen 6 different cup winners, plus 7 additional teams made it to he finals. In that same 8 year span Mercedes has won 8 championships, with only Red Bull having a shot going into the 2-3 races of the season.

If the NHL was as competitive as F1 has been, we would see 8 years of one team having the best record (by a lot, 60+ wins), winning every championship with only Red Bull going to a game 6 or 7 in 2021. How exciting would that be?

I sure hope 2022 is better, and my point is I just want to see a more competitive championship where each year it's not the same story from top to bottom.

[SS454]

Leafs are still waiting.....so can't be that great to manufacture different winners :-D

Thank goodness! But that's the point. NHL's salary cap has brought a much more competitive league. Not much manufacturing of a champion in the NHL. Same can't be said about F1.

[SS454]

It’s hard for me to be a sports fan

I know what you mean amigo. 2008 was the last time a team of mine has won. (Ferrari WCC) and that was still bitter sweet because Massa lost on the last corner.

1998 for NBA
1995 for NFL
1993 for MLB
never for NHL

My second favorite teams have had some success though haha.

[Greig]

I know your making fun of me, but I don’t care. I still believe that Hamilton is trash and a fake champion.

As far as the leafs are concerned, this years our year! I’ve said that every year for the last 5 years lol. Same with Roma! It’s hard for me to be a sports fan… AS Roma, Toronto Maple Leafs and Ferrari lol. At least Italy took the Euros!

Why am I making fun of you and it has nothing to do with Lewis stop letting him consume your every post on here.

I follow NHL and Leafs are my team....I have no idea what teams you follow....

[stefa]

In the beauty contest we are winning :-D

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.vote-which-car-do-you-think-is-the-best-looking-on-the-2022-f1-grid.6xzasCP2XMmBeL3eVdzYzx.html

[scudieros]

I know your making fun of me, but I don’t care. I still believe that Hamilton is trash and a fake champion.

As far as the leafs are concerned, this years our year! I’ve said that every year for the last 5 years lol. Same with Roma! It’s hard for me to be a sports fan… AS Roma, Toronto Maple Leafs and Ferrari lol. At least Italy took the Euros!

Grande! Forza Roma, Forza Ferrari!

[Silent Bob]

Go Leafs!! But I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing a Cup any time soon. Hope I'm wrong.

[stefa]

Formula One terminates Russian Grand Prix contract
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/33411099/formula-one-terminates-russian-grand-prix-contract

[Gilles]

Go Leafs!! But I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing a Cup any time soon. Hope I'm wrong.

Acclaimed F1 car designer Rory Byrne signs contract extension with Ferrari
https://scuderiafans.com/acclaimed-f1-car-designer-rory-byrne-signs-contract-extension-with-ferrari/
‘Ferrari working harder than ever and keeping our heads down’ – Charles Leclerc
https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-working-harder-than-ever-and-keeping-our-heads-down-charles-leclerc/

[Tony]

Why am I making fun of you and it has nothing to do with Lewis stop letting him consume your every post on here.

I follow NHL and Leafs are my team....I have no idea what teams you follow....

Go Habs Go!!

Ok well maybe not this year :rotfl

[SS454]

Formula One terminates Russian Grand Prix contract
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/33411099/formula-one-terminates-russian-grand-prix-contract

Good for them. Hopefully as long as Putin is in power, they stay away. Unfortunately, lets be honest, shall we now expect another middle eastern race since they pay the most? F1 will ignore all the human rights issues when they pay $50 million a year.

[SS454]

Acclaimed F1 car designer Rory Byrne signs contract extension with Ferrari
https://scuderiafans.com/acclaimed-f1-car-designer-rory-byrne-signs-contract-extension-with-ferrari/
‘Ferrari working harder than ever and keeping our heads down’ – Charles Leclerc
https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-working-harder-than-ever-and-keeping-our-heads-down-charles-leclerc/

Very good news. I still say Rory is just as good as Adrien Newey. Perhaps even better, at least at times he is.

[jgonzalesm6]

HAAS update:

Mazepin is gone. Fittipaldi signs with HAAS for 2022 with Schumacher. Fittipaldi will test in Bahrain.

source: SkySports Germany

[SS454]

HAAS update:

Mazepin is gone. Fittipaldi signs with HAAS for 2022 with Schumacher. Fittipaldi will test in Bahrain.

source: SkySports Germany

Makes sense. No point keeping the worst driver on the grid if the team isn't getting his dad's money. Not sure Fittipaldi will perform much better. He hasn't impressed me in the little leagues and really is only driving off the backbone of his name.

[Tony]

My memory is a little foggy, wasn't it Mazepin that crashed that led to Hamilton losing the title?

[SS454]

My memory is a little foggy, wasn't it Mazepin that crashed that led to Hamilton losing the title?

Latifi

[Gilles]

Ferrari expects Mercedes to bring a “big upgrade” for Bahrain test
https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-expects-mercedes-to-bring-a-big-upgrade-for-bahrain-test/

[Gilles]

Alfa Romeo C42 bottom is super light but too soft
https://www.formu1a.uno/il-fondo-dellalfa-romeo-c42-e-super-leggero-ma-troppo-flessibile/

[stefa]

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[paolo lalli]

So mercedes and the whyning wolf will show there true speed at Bahrain test,is that type of statement suppost to send fear into the eyes of other teams.I think not mercedes are the the team that left first round of testing in poor shape and returned to there factory in panic mode.Hamiltons fastest lap was set on the c4 soft tyre I believe nothing special.My feeling mercedes will still have issues after Bahrain testing .

[Gilles]

F1 | Minimum weight for 2022 cars to be increased only by three kg – report
https://scuderiafans.com/f1-minimum-weight-for-2022-cars-to-be-increased-only-by-three-kg-report/

[jgonzalesm6]

F1 | Minimum weight for 2022 cars to be increased only by three kg – report
https://scuderiafans.com/f1-minimum-weight-for-2022-cars-to-be-increased-only-by-three-kg-report/

These 2022 cars are overweight IMO. 2022 cars weigh from 790kg to 805kg. In 2014, they weighed 690kg.

And they are too big as well.

[Silent Bob]

So mercedes and the whyning wolf will show there true speed at Bahrain test,is that type of statement suppost to send fear into the eyes of other teams.I think not mercedes are the the team that left first round of testing in poor shape and returned to there factory in panic mode.Hamiltons fastest lap was set on the c4 soft tyre I believe nothing special.My feeling mercedes will still have issues after Bahrain testing .

Might have something there. Even Hamilton is going out of his way to support Merc, saying they don't make mistakes and that he trusts his team to give him a fast car. It seems a little of the arrogance has vanished.

[Gilles]

Might have something there. Even Hamilton is going out of his way to support Merc, saying they don't make mistakes and that he trusts his team to give him a fast car. It seems a little of the arrogance has vanished.

Yes
And for whoever thinks my opinion is exaggerated, do you remember how superior the Mercedes engine was in 2014 (cheat of the decade), with years of anticipated engineering and that, despite they were hiding their true power to not been suspected, while pointing Ferrari as favorite every pre-season? I found back the pic tweeted by Mercedes during winter 2015, taken right at the factory doors : Enjoy!

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[Aziz]

Yes
And for whoever thinks my opinion is exaggerated, do you remember how superior the Mercedes engine was in 2014 (cheat of the decade), with years of anticipated engineering and that, despite they were hiding their true power to not been suspected, while pointing Ferrari as favorite every pre-season? I found back the pic tweeted by Mercedes during winter 2015, taken right at the factory doors : Enjoy!

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Corriere Della Sera on the W13 upgrades for Bahrain Tests: "The car should be almost without sidepods, thanks to a revolutionary but efficient arrangement of the radiators in the highest area of the bodywork. This has produced impressive simulator performances." "The gains are already 'legendary', worth much more than 1s per lap."
If these rumours are true the W13 could be as dominant as some of it's predecessors, but the FIA is uncertain about the legality of some cars: the new W13, and the new RB18 as well, will have to be checked

:-E:-E

[PURE PASSION]

Corriere Della Sera on the W13 upgrades for Bahrain Tests: "The car should be almost without sidepods, thanks to a revolutionary but efficient arrangement of the radiators in the highest area of the bodywork. This has produced impressive simulator performances." "The gains are already 'legendary', worth much more than 1s per lap."
If these rumours are true the W13 could be as dominant as some of it's predecessors, but the FIA is uncertain about the legality of some cars: the new W13, and the new RB18 as well, will have to be checked

:-E:-E

IF this is the case, then for me it's over. I still gonna have Ferrari in my hart BUT I'm not gonna continue bother with races etc. And unfortunately Merc will prove that they are the most dominant team ever !!!!

[ferrari1.8t]

IF this is the case, then for me it's over. I still gonna have Ferrari in my hart BUT I'm not gonna continue bother with races etc. And unfortunately Merc will prove that they are the most dominant team ever !!!!

Most ‘corrupt’ team ever. Dirty Wolff has his fingers everywhere in the sport and he’s dangerous. If Mercedes’ dominance continues, F1 is finished.

[patrese86]

It's all a bit vague that. 1 sec advantage against what?

Edit: reading more they say it's against the car they brought to Barcelona in the first test. Meh we will see, I wasn't impressed with Mercedes in the first test, ourselves and McLaren looked the better teams.

[PURE PASSION]

Most ‘corrupt’ team ever. Dirty Wolff has his fingers everywhere in the sport and he’s dangerous. If Mercedes’ dominance continues, F1 is finished.
Its easy to blame the others when you're failing .I dont like that, unless i have solid proofs. Like i dont like to say the same to me if i dominate !!!!

[Gilles]

Wait and see. Brawn might be following this closely. Could it fall under what he already call as illegal ? I'm naturally in favor to innovation, but everyone now (those involved in the F1, not simple public, unfortunately) knows about the cheating during the last erea. they weren't penalized (the fia did not saw the cheating coming, no more than Montzemolo), but i don't think Brawn to be ready for a new period of Mercedes dominance. I hope at least

[Gilles]

Its easy to blame the others when you're failing .I dont like that, unless i have solid proofs. Like i dont like to say the same to me if i dominate !!!!

I agree with you, but with all these restrictions to update cars, there is a problem. The main objective of the FIA ​​was to achieve relative convergence on performance, not a technological breakthrough with rules preventing the competition from enough upgrading (as for 2014)

[ferrari1.8t]

Its easy to blame the others when you're failing .I dont like that, unless i have solid proofs. Like i dont like to say the same to me if i dominate !!!!

There is plenty of proof. But regardless, they had the jump on the regs last time around and no one was allowed to catch up. If they do it again this time and again no one is allowed to catch up until 2026 then I stand by my point that F1 would be dead. The whole point of the new regs was convergence, not Merc domination.

Anyway, these are all rumours of 0 side pods and 1 second a lap faster. Let’s see what happens come Q3 next week and then we will be able to comment correctly.

[Tony]

I'm not sure about these legality arguments... under the cap you wouldn't bring a car that has crucial features that could be deemed illegal because, if so, you'd spend a big part of your development budget trying to catch up. So, in my mind, whatever car they bring will have been cleared for the most crucial aspects, like side pods.

[Gilles]

I'm not sure about these legality arguments... under the cap you wouldn't bring a car that has crucial features that could be deemed illegal because, if so, you'd spend a big part of your development budget trying to catch up. So, in my mind, whatever car they bring will have been cleared for the most crucial aspects, like side pods.

Nothing certain, but Brawn's words were that he saw illegal things in the drawings submitted to him by the teams for Bahrain updates :

"The top five drivers, coming from four different teams, were separated by less than half a second with Mercedes’ Lewis Hamilton leading the way.
Whether it stays that way remains to be seen with reports claiming several teams, including Mercedes and Red Bull, will head to the Sakhir circuit for this week’s test with significant upgrades for their cars.
Some of those upgrades that will be debuted in Bahrain are said to be toe-ing the line.
According to Auto Motor und Sport the CAD data that the FIA have already seen in order to check the legality of the upgrades that are coming, shows that some are “sailing close to the wind and bringing solutions that do not quite correspond to the spirit of the regulations”.
Brawn has reminded all the teams that a tweak of the rules means if someone finds a “silver bullet”, the rules can be changed in “short notice” to ban that innovation"

Yesterday I read back the 2014 pre-season test's forum, sure I don't want to see it happen again !

[paolo lalli]

A mercedes with hardly any side pods sounds legal to me.Of course its the big bad wolf at play.FIA will do nothing to the bullies of f1.This is all about making sure hamilton gets his 8th title this time,to replace the aledgedly stolen one.

[ferrari1.8t]

Corriere Della Sera on the W13 upgrades for Bahrain Tests: "The car should be almost without sidepods, thanks to a revolutionary but efficient arrangement of the radiators in the highest area of the bodywork. This has produced impressive simulator performances." "The gains are already 'legendary', worth much more than 1s per lap."
If these rumours are true the W13 could be as dominant as some of it's predecessors, but the FIA is uncertain about the legality of some cars: the new W13, and the new RB18 as well, will have to be checked

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Scarbs take on “no side pods”

https://twitter.com/scarbstech/status/1501251580124819462?s=21

[FerrariF60]

Scarbs take on “no side pods”

https://twitter.com/scarbstech/status/1501251580124819462?s=21

if you think about it, having NO side pot HOLE is quite beneficial, as having a hole induces LOTS of drag...but at the same time it woudl be hard to keep the car/engine COOL....
if they did come up with such thing, i hope it blows in their face and have lots of issues due to cumulative heat not being able to keep the engine within normal temps....

one thing for sure, the Bahrain heat will be a good test for Merc and Co.

[SS454]

scarbs says using a fan to suck the air through. This would have to be considered a moveable aerodynamic device. I can't see how this would be legal at all.

[FerrariF60]

scarbs says using a fan to suck the air through. This would have to be considered a moveable aerodynamic device. I can't see how this would be legal at all.

it's merc we're talking about here mate.....the MIA as usual will turn a blind eye when it comes to them.....or better yet make it legal for this season enough for 2 chains to get his 8th and then BAN it in 2023.....

[ferrari1.8t]

scarbs says using a fan to suck the air through. This would have to be considered a moveable aerodynamic device. I can't see how this would be legal at all.

Again, it’s all rumours. However, when there’s smoke there is always fire. This “no side pod” rumour, coupled with Brawn saying teams upgrades are not within the regulations leads me to believe it could be true. I’m curious to see how this all plays out and how the FIA turn the regulations around again to benefit Merc and Ham.

[TTRSMAD]

Since it's Mercedes, there are going to say like they did with the DAS to allow it only for this season. Giving them the time to develop are proper car.

This season better not be a Mercedes domination or these rule changes was a waste of time.

[ferrari1.8t]

Since it's Mercedes, there are going to say like they did with the DAS to allow it only for this season. Giving them the time to develop are proper car.

This season better not be a Mercedes domination or these rule changes was a waste of time.

Exactly what I was thinking about. Like DAS, if Merc find a grey area innovation the FIA will let them run it, dominate and then ban it next year so no other team can benefit from it. Time will tell.

[FerrariF60]

Exactly what I was thinking about. Like DAS, if Merc find a grey area innovation the FIA will let them run it, dominate and then ban it next year so no other team can benefit from it. Time will tell.

but if it was Ferrari that came up with such thing, God forbid.....it would be deemed ILLEGAL no if's and's or but's......SAD, JUST SAD.....

[ferrari1.8t]

but if it was Ferrari that came up with such thing, God forbid.....it would be deemed ILLEGAL no if's and's or but's......SAD, JUST SAD.....

Let’s see what happens in the coming days. Hoping it’s Ferrari with an Ace up their sleeve and that they blow away the competition come Q3. :pray

[FerrariF60]

Let’s see what happens in the coming days. Hoping it’s Ferrari with an Ace up their sleeve and that they blow away the competition come Q3. :pray

we can only dream of such a scenario mate....just a little over a week 'till Q3.....cannot wait

[KimiBot]

Must be clever people working for Mercs, innovations after innovations.

[KimiBot]

In the beauty contest we are winning :-D

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.vote-which-car-do-you-think-is-the-best-looking-on-the-2022-f1-grid.6xzasCP2XMmBeL3eVdzYzx.html

:thumb

I did like Williams too, more round nose I think.

[Kyss4k]

IF this is the case, then for me it's over. I still gonna have Ferrari in my hart BUT I'm not gonna continue bother with races etc. And unfortunately Merc will prove that they are the most dominant team ever !!!!

Yep, if this is real I will be done with F1. This would mean that even after fighting till the end Mercedes would manage to outdevelop Ferrari, who had full year head start. So I really hope this is false news.

[JPZ]

We'll have to see if those zero side-pods can properly cool the engine.

Blown engines with the current regulations would be a disaster.

[jgonzalesm6]

We'll have to see if those zero side-pods can properly cool the engine.

Blown engines with the current regulations would be a disaster.

After seeing Scarbs notes and renderings(quite a few of them), the no sidepod works.

[FerrariF60]

After seeing Scarbs notes and renderings(quite a few of them), the no sidepod works.

My question is, where would Merc stuff and relocate all those radiators to keep teh car/engine cool if NO SIDEPODS????
they woud have to put them/mount on top of engine which in essence would raise the COG which in F1 is a big NO, NO....

i hope it don't work for tehm and it blows in their face....LOL

[jgonzalesm6]

My question is, where would Merc stuff and relocate all those radiators to keep teh car/engine cool if NO SIDEPODS????
they woud have to put them/mount on top of engine which in essence would raise the COG which in F1 is a big NO, NO....

i hope it don't work for tehm and it blows in their face....LOL

Radiators can be placed in various places-->the front wing or flushed alongside the bodywork.

The intake to cool the radiators can be underneath where the T-tray is located.

To extricate the heat can be at the back of the engine cover.

[Gilles]

My question is, where would Merc stuff and relocate all those radiators to keep teh car/engine cool if NO SIDEPODS????
they woud have to put them/mount on top of engine which in essence would raise the COG which in F1 is a big NO, NO....

i hope it don't work for tehm and it blows in their face....LOL

The Cog should be even more important this year to make the floor work (see the curbs situation)
For cooling, I've been wondering for some years how it could be beneficial for aero to use some body surface of the car for cooling (like human skin). The idea is to use the unavoidable losses (air friction) to reduce the whole aero losses by carrying out the cooling at the same time (realize 2 things in one)
I can already see some saying ironically that I should have gone to Ferrari : I prefer to warn you right away : I don't care :-)

[Paulpg87]

No sidepods MB not really different from RBR. We have a different concept in which i am not confident due to our poor track record.

[ntukza]

I agree with you, but with all these restrictions to update cars, there is a problem. The main objective of the FIA ​​was to achieve relative convergence on performance, not a technological breakthrough with rules preventing the competition from enough upgrading (as for 2014)

If a team finds a way around the FIA's objectives, how is that a bad reflection on the team itself? You should be upset that WE didn't find a way around it.

[ntukza]

scarbs says using a fan to suck the air through. This would have to be considered a moveable aerodynamic device. I can't see how this would be legal at all.

We can all do that. Should be an advantage for three races max. Nothing to lose sleep over.

[ntukza]

but if it was Ferrari that came up with such thing, God forbid.....it would be deemed ILLEGAL no if's and's or but's......SAD, JUST SAD.....

We got away with using an illegal engine for most of the season. No disqualifications, no penalties, no docked points. Me reckons it's time we adopted a balanced view and not play the victim all the time.

[Gilles]

If a team finds a way around the FIA's objectives, how is that a bad reflection on the team itself? You should be upset that WE didn't find a way around it.

Sure, for this year, maybe, but when it comes to 2014, you have to remember that was also an enormous cheating from Mercedes

[Silent Bob]

We got away with using an illegal engine for most of the season. No disqualifications, no penalties, no docked points. Me reckons it's time we adopted a balanced view and not play the victim all the time.

Except it was never deemed illegal. It was a clever way of interpreting the rules. Remember, Ferrari's PU was under constant scrutiny the whole year and it was always cleared. But they added sensors and we lost the edge, that's the way the game is played. Same goes for all the bendy wing investigations etc. Find a loophole and exploit it until it's closed or no longer relevant.

[Tifoso Svedese]

Better hope Mercedes don't show up with an illegal rocket and the maFIA let them keep running it.

Congratulations to Magnussen on landing the Haas drive. At least they have secured a better driver than Mazepin and someone Mick can learn quite a bit from.

[Gilles]

Better hope Mercedes don't show up with an illegal rocket and the maFIA let them keep running it.

Congratulations to Magnussen on landing the Haas drive. At least they have secured a better driver than Mazepin and someone Mick can learn quite a bit from.

I would have preferred a better driver, Magnussen wasn't really better than "crash-Grosjean". He certainly brings some money, that's the game, ok

[ntukza]

Except it was never deemed illegal. It was a clever way of interpreting the rules. Remember, Ferrari's PU was under constant scrutiny the whole year and it was always cleared. But they added sensors and we lost the edge, that's the way the game is played. Same goes for all the bendy wing investigations etc. Find a loophole and exploit it until it's closed or no longer relevant.

Exactly! See the post I was replying to for the context of my comment.

[JPZ]

After seeing Scarbs notes and renderings(quite a few of them), the no sidepod works.

Is it legal to have no actual working side pods?

[SS454]

Is it legal to have no actual working side pods?

Yes. Technically the teams could run no side pods or wings or floor if they wanted to. The regulation boxes specify where teams can put bodywork, it doesn't say it requires any at all.

[ragfone]

Question.... as there is a budget cap, how is it possible for one team to produce 2 independent chassis inside this budget cap?

[Greig]

Question.... as there is a budget cap, how is it possible for one team to produce 2 independent chassis inside this budget cap?

Sure they just used "fake" sidepods at the shakedown.

[jgonzalesm6]

Question.... as there is a budget cap, how is it possible for one team to produce 2 independent chassis inside this budget cap?

Cars are a year and half built, so in this case 2022 cars were being built at the end of the quarter of 2020.....before the budget cap. So it's possible 2 cars could be built.

[Brembo]

[QUOTE=Tifoso Svedese;1053663]Better hope Mercedes don't show up with an illegal rocket and the maFIA let them keep running it.

Running it just until the last race and then do a " Masi FIA " ! Millions more F-1 fans watching every race as long as there's no 8 WDC.

[Kyss4k]

Ok... that RedBull scares me

[ntukza]

Ok... that RedBull scares me

You are easily scared, mate. I suggest you stay off the internet, sit tight and wait for Race 1.

[SS454]

So Mercedes' mirrors have been ruled legal by the FIA.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-mercedes-w13-gli-specchietti-confermati-legali/9043806/

At first I thought the issue was how Mercedes had the mirror mounted to the chassis (the crash bar), or the little strakes under the mirror itself (Green arrow). I felt those were legal. But now I see there is a clear wing profile above the mirror (Red arrow) that according to the rule book should be illegal.

https://i.imgur.com/FM4mHiy.jpg

[ferrari1.8t]

So Mercedes' mirrors have been ruled legal by the FIA.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-mercedes-w13-gli-specchietti-confermati-legali/9043806/

At first I thought the issue was how Mercedes had the mirror mounted to the chassis (the crash bar), or the little strakes under the mirror itself (Green arrow). I felt those were legal. But now I see there is a clear wing profile above the mirror (Red arrow) that according to the rule book should be illegal.

https://i.imgur.com/FM4mHiy.jpg

LOL What a joke, but obviously not surprised because everything Merc does is legal in the eyes of the FIA. Ferrari's mirrors where illegal, but somehow Mercs are legal.

Mattia Binotto, in his meeting via zoom with the Italian press, had very clear words on the subject ...
"The FIA ​​has always made it clear that the support for the mirrors must have only a structural function and if it involves an aerodynamic influence it must be just 'incidental'. If this has been the principle underlined by the FIA ​​in the past, I believe it must be the same today and in the future, there is no reason to change your mind today. "

[Tifoso]

How can anyone (FIA included) argue with that?
If this isn’t fixed, it will be a stain on the fairness of F1.

[tpe]

McLaren bagged a nice sponsorship with Google

[SS454]

McLaren bagged a nice sponsorship with Google

That is a nice one. I don't think I've seen Google sponsorship in motorsports before.

[jgonzalesm6]

McLaren bagged a nice sponsorship with Google


That is a nice one. I don't think I've seen Google sponsorship in motorsports before.
The give away was Mclarens rainbow colored wheel hubs

[WS6TransAm01]

McLaren bagged a nice sponsorship with Google

Now when you Google "Mercedes F1" or "Ferrari F1" Google will respond with "Did you mean McLaren F1?", show you the link to the McLaren F1 site at the top and send the others to the bottom of the search while labeling them fake.

[tpe]

Now when you Google "Mercedes F1" or "Ferrari F1" Google will respond with "Did you mean McLaren F1?", show you the link to the McLaren F1 site at the top and send the others to the bottom of the search while labeling them fake.

Hahaha
Probably!

[stefa]

Google joins hands with McLaren Racing to promote Android and Chrome
https://www.gsmarena.com/google_joins_hands_with_mclaren_racing_places_andr oid_logo_on_the_engine_cover-news-53597.php

[Silent Bob]

So Mercedes' mirrors have been ruled legal by the FIA.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-mercedes-w13-gli-specchietti-confermati-legali/9043806/

At first I thought the issue was how Mercedes had the mirror mounted to the chassis (the crash bar), or the little strakes under the mirror itself (Green arrow). I felt those were legal. But now I see there is a clear wing profile above the mirror (Red arrow) that according to the rule book should be illegal.

https://i.imgur.com/FM4mHiy.jpg



I really can't imagine how those are not deliberately designed to have an aero function. Ferrari's halo mirror wasn't much different so I don't see how this stands.

[jgonzalesm6]

Las Vegas looks to be 3rd on the calender for 2023.

Viva Las Vegas.

[WS6TransAm01]

Looks like Seb is out of the first race for the Coof. So much for masks and being jabbed to the gills.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[Tony]

So Mercedes' mirrors have been ruled legal by the FIA.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-mercedes-w13-gli-specchietti-confermati-legali/9043806/

At first I thought the issue was how Mercedes had the mirror mounted to the chassis (the crash bar), or the little strakes under the mirror itself (Green arrow). I felt those were legal. But now I see there is a clear wing profile above the mirror (Red arrow) that according to the rule book should be illegal.

https://i.imgur.com/FM4mHiy.jpg

Wait a second, the mirror isn't touching the inverted L-wing, it seems to be supported on it's own and is just floating below it. The mirror isn't attached to that inverted L-shaped wing, but to the support that has a silver bracket immediately below it. That's probably how it's legal?

[paolo lalli]

Why bother protesting anything about mercedes its a waste of time and only falls on deaf ears.Ferrari will beat them on the track this weekend they mercedes have loads of issues with there zero pod car.

[Greig]

Formula 1: 'Human error' responsible for incorrect application of rules in Abu Dhabi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60807766

[SS454]

I'd like to know why there was no track limits enforced in qualifying. Supposedly it's now the white line defines the track, which it should always have been, but that should make it much much easier to police. Instead Perez clearly went over the white line and no penalty was given.

[Kyss4k]

I'd like to know why there was no track limits enforced in qualifying. Supposedly it's now the white line defines the track, which it should always have been, but that should make it much much easier to police. Instead Perez clearly went over the white line and no penalty was given.

Well their systems were not working properly at all, so that's probably the reason. Timing data were wrong, bugs all over the place... they have a rough couple of weeks ahead of them to iron it all out. Then hopefully even the track limits enforcing will be consistent.

[458 Italia]

I guess Eduardo Freitas is only doing the WEC this weekend otherwise he would've been watch track limits like a hawk.

[SS454]

Well their systems were not working properly at all, so that's probably the reason. Timing data were wrong, bugs all over the place... they have a rough couple of weeks ahead of them to iron it all out. Then hopefully even the track limits enforcing will be consistent.

I noticed some timing errors, like Russell showing purple S1, yet 0.9 seconds off the pace.

Isn't the track limits policed by eye? If so, Perez was on screen when he went off track, and they showed a replay!

I don't understand how they have this many goofs or can't get it right when it's nothing really new. Plus they had all of testing last week to be prepared. Seems amateur for one of the largest spectated sports worldwide.

[458 Italia]

I noticed some timing errors, like Russell showing purple S1, yet 0.9 seconds off the pace.

Isn't the track limits policed by eye? If so, Perez was on screen when he went off track, and they showed a replay!

I don't understand how they have this many goofs or can't get it right when it's nothing really new. Plus they had all of testing last week to be prepared. Seems amateur for one of the largest spectated sports worldwide.

Compared to other racing series F1 has become more amateur as far was stewarding is concerned, even more so since the Bernie days.

[KimiBot]

Formula 1: 'Human error' responsible for incorrect application of rules in Abu Dhabi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60807766

Good that they are doing something, VAR will be excellent !!!

[Brembo]

Sponsorship for the teams and fan attendance at the tracks and watching on TV needed Lewis to stay @ 7. Masi did what he was told. The result came at the last lap of the 2021 season! 2022 will be watched and enjoyed hoping Merc will stay out of controlling the win.

[nani_s23]

#AMus reported about the Mercedes deficits:

• over one lap, the gap is at 0.5s
• over a race distance, the gap is at 0.8s per lap due to higher tyre deg

It seems Mercedes also lacks a bit of PU power and the ICE is frozen now (you can't update that).

Mercedes wants to sort out their car issues by the start of the European races in Imola (they understand the car better but still need to make big setup compromises). Lewis thinks they have a fundamental issue and it will take longer than that.

On the other teams:

McLaren drivers were instructed on the straights to move from the racing line in order to cool components. It wasn't the brakes this time.

Aston Martin has too little downforce and too much drag.
Williams lacks downforce too.

[Greig]

Sainz new deal with Ferrari is pretty much done according to reports.

[Cavallino]

just saw this

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/106770/red-bull-investigation-makes-clear-fuel-pump-was-not-the-cause.html

i'm not sure how reliable that source is.

a few thoughts...

if they simply ran out of fuel, which i heard in twitter rumours, that's great because it means the extra fuel they carry during the race is going to make them a few tenths per lap slower.

if it's the higher fuel temperatures overheating the pump, how do you solve that? increase cooling? by sacraficing aero, also costing them race and qualifying pace you would guess.

i don't see how it can be the pump though, the way Perez just spun out it was like the engine seized. and if they truly don't know....

that last scenario is actually the worst outcome for us, because Red Bull will use anything to activate the "reliability" clause of the engine freeze. be glad it's happening to Red Bull (and not Merc) who might not have the infrastructure in the engine department yet to react to this.

[PURE PASSION]

If it's a 3d party part like fuel pump, how can they work with the engine to "solve " the problem?? Even Gaslys was an MGU-K failure so again nothing to do with the ice

[jgonzalesm6]

just saw this

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/106770/red-bull-investigation-makes-clear-fuel-pump-was-not-the-cause.html

i'm not sure how reliable that source is.

a few thoughts...

if they simply ran out of fuel, which i heard in twitter rumours, that's great because it means the extra fuel they carry during the race is going to make them a few tenths per lap slower.

if it's the higher fuel temperatures overheating the pump, how do you solve that? increase cooling? by sacraficing aero, also costing them race and qualifying pace you would guess.

i don't see how it can be the pump though, the way Perez just spun out it was like the engine seized. and if they truly don't know....

that last scenario is actually the worst outcome for us, because Red Bull will use anything to activate the "reliability" clause of the engine freeze. be glad it's happening to Red Bull (and not Merc) who might not have the infrastructure in the engine department yet to react to this.


If it's a 3d party part like fuel pump, how can they work with the engine to "solve " the problem?? Even Gaslys was an MGU-K failure so again nothing to do with the ice

RedBull update regarding their cars "fueling out" at Bahrain. Also explains how the fuel system works.

FormulaUno excerpts translated:

The fuel is not drawn by one pump, but by three. Initially, there is a lift pump (low pressure) that sends the fuel to a manifold.

Subsequently, the priming pump intervenes which increases the pressure and sends the fuel to the high-pressure pump, which has the function of feeding the injectors of the V6 internal combustion engine.

Two of these three pumps are classified by the FIA as SSC,i.e. standard supply components. We are talking about the priming pump, supplied by Magneti Marelli, and the high pressure one, supplied by Bosch.

The lifting pump is instead classified as an OSC (open source) component, ie a part that teams can design independently but in which the project must be shown to the other teams, via a dedicated FIA server. The other teams can thus download and analyze it, even copy it.

In the pre-season test, some teams, including Ferrari, had problems with the priming pumps.

Over the weekend in Bahrain, the FIA gave the teams more time inside the Parc Fermé to check these pumps, also proposing their replacement should the teams notice any problems.

Horner confirmed this, adding that “it was more of a general problem and not specific to our car. We were given extra time, so we wanted to check them out just to be safe". As understood by FormulaUno, Red Bull was among the few teams not to replace it.

In the past few hours, the FIA has unofficially denied that the problem directly concerns this component. We then started talking about temperature at the lifting pump caused by the "cavitation" of the fuel.

A pump works fluids, not gases, for that a compressor would be needed. We can therefore understand that if the fuel were to evaporate, it would create many problems both to the pump and to the accessories that compose it, such as its gaskets.

If a gasket were to overheat, losing its physical and mechanical characteristics, it would generate a loss of pressure in the fuel system of the internal combustion engine and therefore a failure to send the fuel to the subsequent stages of the supply.

A team does not believe in the technical reasons, adding that it is very likely that both Red Bull's stopped on the track due to lack of fuel.

To compensate for the weight difference of the RB18, according to a qualified source, approaching 10 kg over Ferrari, would mean they use less fuel.

This, coupled with a very tough race from a competitive point of view for the first four drivers and overheating that altered the fuel level (the new E10 evaporates at a lower temperature), helped to take the car over the limit.

Even after the performance in Bahrain, Red Bull believes that the RB18 has an advantage of 1-2 tenths on the race pace compared to the F1-75, which disappeared in race precisely because of these problems that occur while racing in dirty air.

https://www-formu1a-uno.translate.goog/red-bull-ci-vuole-nascondere-la-vera-causa-dei-ritiri-di-verstappen-e-perez/?_x_tr_sl=it&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

[Ferrarichamp]

f1 cars running out of fuel, like the 1980s.

[PURE PASSION]

RedBull update regarding their cars "fueling out" at Bahrain. Also explains how the fuel system works.

FormulaUno excerpts translated:

The fuel is not drawn by one pump, but by three. Initially, there is a lift pump (low pressure) that sends the fuel to a manifold.

Subsequently, the priming pump intervenes which increases the pressure and sends the fuel to the high-pressure pump, which has the function of feeding the injectors of the V6 internal combustion engine.

Two of these three pumps are classified by the FIA as SSC,i.e. standard supply components. We are talking about the priming pump, supplied by Magneti Marelli, and the high pressure one, supplied by Bosch.

The lifting pump is instead classified as an OSC (open source) component, ie a part that teams can design independently but in which the project must be shown to the other teams, via a dedicated FIA server. The other teams can thus download and analyze it, even copy it.

In the pre-season test, some teams, including Ferrari, had problems with the priming pumps.

Over the weekend in Bahrain, the FIA gave the teams more time inside the Parc Fermé to check these pumps, also proposing their replacement should the teams notice any problems.

Horner confirmed this, adding that “it was more of a general problem and not specific to our car. We were given extra time, so we wanted to check them out just to be safe". As understood by FormulaUno, Red Bull was among the few teams not to replace it.

In the past few hours, the FIA has unofficially denied that the problem directly concerns this component. We then started talking about temperature at the lifting pump caused by the "cavitation" of the fuel.

A pump works fluids, not gases, for that a compressor would be needed. We can therefore understand that if the fuel were to evaporate, it would create many problems both to the pump and to the accessories that compose it, such as its gaskets.

If a gasket were to overheat, losing its physical and mechanical characteristics, it would generate a loss of pressure in the fuel system of the internal combustion engine and therefore a failure to send the fuel to the subsequent stages of the supply.

A team does not believe in the technical reasons, adding that it is very likely that both Red Bull's stopped on the track due to lack of fuel.

To compensate for the weight difference of the RB18, according to a qualified source, approaching 10 kg over Ferrari, would mean they use less fuel.

This, coupled with a very tough race from a competitive point of view for the first four drivers and overheating that altered the fuel level (the new E10 evaporates at a lower temperature), helped to take the car over the limit.

Even after the performance in Bahrain, Red Bull believes that the RB18 has an advantage of 1-2 tenths on the race pace compared to the F1-75, which disappeared in race precisely because of these problems that occur while racing in dirty air.

https://www-formu1a-uno.translate.goog/red-bull-ci-vuole-nascondere-la-vera-causa-dei-ritiri-di-verstappen-e-perez/?_x_tr_sl=it&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Τhis is ,i presume, considering that that was our pace . If we also hould some pace for several reasons ( lot of rumours about running conservative pu modes) then we could also see the same next race !!

[JacKy]

I remember back in 2014-2015( not sure ) FOM was screening live fuel usage info of the cars.

Would ve nice addition to 2022

Found it

8002

[Cavallino]

regardless of the actual part that is causing, from everything we've heard, the possible remedies are either add fuel, or add cooling to your engine and fuel, both of them are going to cost laptime atleast in race trim.

unless it's their specific fuel blend that is causing problems, they'll be allowed to change that for "reliability" but it will take time, not in time for Jeddah or even Australia.

just continue to qualify on pole and keep them in the dirty air. overheating because of overly aggressive aero is a Newey trait I've noticed for quite a long time.

[SFTifoso]

So essentially red Bull ran out of fuel. Lol

Let’s hope they’re forced to carry extra fuel at Saudi Arabia. 10KG of extra weight is easily a tenth per lap.

[JacKy]

So essentially red Bull ran out of fuel. Lol

Let’s hope they’re forced to carry extra fuel at Saudi Arabia. 10KG of extra weight is easily a tenth per lap.

Horner keep saying “the fuel is there”

Just before Verstappen retired , His engineer said we can see the issue , it is not battery related.

So They knew what was going on. I presume they are not going to reveal it.

[jgonzalesm6]

Anyone want more races per season???? How bout 30 races per season.

Formula 1 boss Stefano Domenicali has confirmed to Sky Sports F1 that Las Vegas and Africa could both hold races in the future, and says 30 Grands Prix a season would be possible due to the level of interest in the sport.

[JacKy]

Anyone want more races per season???? How bout 30 races per season.

Formula 1 boss Stefano Domenicali has confirmed to Sky Sports F1 that Las Vegas and Africa could both hold races in the future, and says 30 Grands Prix a season would be possible due to the level of interest in the sport.

Nah as much as i love watching F1 more than any other sport, around 20 races is enough.

30 races gonna overwhelm both teams and drivers.

[Ferrarichamp]

what they could do is drop one of the European races (we have enough of those), and return to South Africa for example.

[enjaybel3]

Anyone want more races per season???? How bout 30 races per season.

Formula 1 boss Stefano Domenicali has confirmed to Sky Sports F1 that Las Vegas and Africa could both hold races in the future, and says 30 Grands Prix a season would be possible due to the level of interest in the sport.

30 would be great, they will need to find ways of making it manageable.

[scudieros]

Do cars still have to provide a fuel sample if they DNF?

It really is starting to sound like they ran out of fuel. You could almost read into what Max's engineer was saying to him "It's not the battery, we can see the problem...There isn't much we CAN do". Surely though they would have known if they were running out of fuel?

[jgonzalesm6]

Nah as much as i love watching F1 more than any other sport, around 20 races is enough.

30 races gonna overwhelm both teams and drivers.


what they could do is drop one of the European races (we have enough of those), and return to South Africa for example.




30 would be great, they will need to find ways of making it manageable.


Teams would have rotating crews for each race....to keep up with the logistics, pit crew, and so on.

It's possible they would increase the budget cap in that department.

[Cavallino]

it's perfect the way it is, if not a tad too much

[Tony]

it's perfect the way it is, if not a tad too much

Agreed, personally I think 20 races is the sweet spot.

[Tifoso]

Anyone want more races per season???? How bout 30 races per season.

Formula 1 boss Stefano Domenicali has confirmed to Sky Sports F1 that Las Vegas and Africa could both hold races in the future, and says 30 Grands Prix a season would be possible due to the level of interest in the sport.
Las Vegas: please, please, please.
Although, I think we could stand to ditch a couple of current races, and replace them, TBH.

[SFTifoso]

Horner keep saying “the fuel is there”

Just before Verstappen retired , His engineer said we can see the issue , it is not battery related.

So They knew what was going on. I presume they are not going to reveal it.

Yes I’m sure the fuel is there, but in what state? Vapor? Horner can say whatever he wants, the essentially ran out of liquid fuel. The quickest way to solve is is to add extra fuel. The long term solution is for exxon to reformulate their E10 so it stays liquid longer. And in the hotter races this problem could get worse; as it was quite cool in Bahrain.

Either way I hope they’re forced to carry extra liquid dead weight.

[SS454]

30 races. Way to reduce the carbon footprint. 30 races isn't like Nascar traveling around the USA, F1 is a global motorsport. He worked for Ferrari, doesn't he remember that the mechanics and everyone else have families?

Plus I like that teams can develop and repair cars in the weeks between races.

What a horrible idea, and i see very few that actually support it. But let's be honest, the more races on the calendar means the more money for the white collars of F1 and Liberty Media. If we add 7 more races, how many are going to be middle eastern because they pay $50 million a year?

[wisepie]

Being a Ferrari tifoso is hard work sometimes and not necessarily good for my health, so 23 races is quite sufficient! To have 30 out of 52 weekends of F1 would mean my everyday life would be put on hold, too much even for me!

[Tony]

To sum it all up, I agree with 30 races if it means Ferrari has a better chance of winning. However, I completely disagree with 30 races if it means Ferrari has less of a chance of winning... :D

[Gilles]

30 races. Way to reduce the carbon footprint. 30 races isn't like Nascar traveling around the USA, F1 is a global motorsport. He worked for Ferrari, doesn't he remember that the mechanics and everyone else have families?

Plus I like that teams can develop and repair cars in the weeks between races.

What a horrible idea, and i see very few that actually support it. But let's be honest, the more races on the calendar means the more money for the white collars of F1 and Liberty Media. If we add 7 more races, how many are going to be middle eastern because they pay $50 million a year?

Well said

[Greig]

I think Stefano means because F1's popularity is so high at the moment they could have 30 races due to the demand...not that they will have 30 races.

[Gilles]

Qatar to replace 2022 Russian GP, Las Vegas race to join F1 calendar from 2023
https://scuderiafans.com/qatar-to-replace-2022-russian-gp-las-vegas-race-to-join-f1-calendar-from-2023/

[SS454]

Qatar to replace 2022 Russian GP, Las Vegas race to join F1 calendar from 2023
https://scuderiafans.com/qatar-to-replace-2022-russian-gp-las-vegas-race-to-join-f1-calendar-from-2023/

So many great tracks that could have replaced Sochi

Portugal
Hockehiem Germany
Nurburgring Germany
Magny Cours France
Mugello Italy
Turkey
Malaysia

All of these make more logistic sense than Qatar. But money talks every time.

[Greig]

Maybe none of those tracks wanted to host a race?

[Gilles]

I suspect Wolf of persisting in saying that he has no problem with the power of the ICE to attribute to the chassis the gain(s) that will be made by the ICE reliability update(s)

[SS454]

Maybe none of those tracks wanted to host a race?

I doubt all would not want to host an F1 event. I am sure none want to pay the price though. It would not surprise me if the race went to the highest bidder.

[Silent Bob]

F1 is a business after all.

[Tifoso]

Qatar to replace 2022 Russian GP, Las Vegasrace to join F1 calendar from 2023
https://scuderiafans.com/qatar-to-replace-2022-russian-gp-las-vegas-race-to-join-f1-calendar-from-2023/

Yessss!
Thanks for posting this!

[Brembo]

F1 is a business after all.

Yes for sure ! Lewis not getting his 8th was worth Millions in 2022 attendance.

[SS454]

Aston Martin has gone with a massive low downforce package.

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1507018255826780170/photo/1

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1507018255826780170/photo/2

[PURE PASSION]

Aston Martin has gone with a massive low downforce package.

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1507018255826780170/photo/1

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1507018255826780170/photo/2

Others gone with higher ,others with lower .8003

[FerrariF60]

Others gone with higher ,others with lower .8003

yeah, Ferrari rear wing looks like a barn door compared to say renault or austin M.....hopefully Ferrari know what they're doing

[Kyss4k]

yeah, Ferrari rear wing looks like a barn door compared to say renault or austin M.....hopefully Ferrari know what they're doing

On these pics us and Redbull have the same RW as both had in Bahrain. So let's wait and see if we have some other spec wings ready to test.

[SS454]

Others gone with higher ,others with lower .8003

Im interested to see what each team has done. Its unusual to start the season with tracks that require such different downforce packages, and some teams may not have a low downforce package just yet. I saw Perez's car has been fitted with a low DF wing. Alpine looks to have a low DF wing. Mercedes has cut the top of their upper element off, which is unusual.

[paneristi]

https://www.grandprix247.com/2022/03/25/tech-draft-challenging-for-mercedes-to-fix-w13/

[jgonzalesm6]

Honda MGU-H 2021 spec and its evolution.

https://twitter.com/NorthHertsSam/status/1508375415097856006/photo/1

https://twitter.com/NorthHertsSam/status/1508375415097856006/photo/2

https://twitter.com/NorthHertsSam/status/1508375415097856006/photo/3

[speedmaster]

Marko confirmed that they are going to bring a significant update to reduce weight which we will give them couple of tenths.