2022 F1 news/rumours

[JPZ]

BTW given the opportunity to show and perform with your best ability, not being held back for sure changes the outcome of where a driver finishes.

Perhaps the penalty will be a reduced budget cap for next year.

[paolo lalli]

This is really simple firstly the budget cap was mandated by all f1 teams.Secondly they have had ample time to digest the budget and to spend wisely, knowing full well that any breach will result in punishment.As we all know now red bull have broken the rules and we all await there faith from the FIA.The budget cap does not control current facilities which fi teams have The big three in this department are way ahead, also the budget cap has no control as to the recruitment process in other words the brand and its success is the main draw card here, so the budget cap in some respects has flaws from a dollar point of view sure the teams financially are on a level playing field but from a logistics and facility point of view there is divide, throw in there the brand name and its ability to attract or to poach talent leads me to the conclusion that the big three will always be the big three and that the divide and the gap will always remain regardless of the cost cap.Is there an answer to solving this there probably is but the answer would be a bitter pill for the big three to swallow.Lets just end with a hint to the answer being handicapped.

[nani_s23]

The change of engine for Charles Leclerc in Austin is no longer certain! The last two wet races have cast doubt as the engine is less worn than expected. Ferrari could wait or climb 1-2 elements taking 5 or 10 positions instead of starting last.

@Formu1a_uno

[WS6TransAm01]

You're completely missing his argument. Of course the cars got faster, even Minardi would get faster with the limited budget they used to have.

What he is saying is the cars are slower than they otherwise WOULD have been, without budget restritctions, because the TOP teams spent half as much as they would have normally spent. Sure they wouldn't got TWICE as fast because of the law of decreasing returns, but the mere fact that the teams aren't spending as much means, the laptime aren't as low as they COULD be. So we have equality of outcome by attempting to slow down top teams, to allow the others to compete.

edit: don't mean to upset Minardi fans, I just picked a back of grid team to prove a point. I like Minardi, they had some of my favorite liveries.

BINGO!


Maybe I am. But he has twice suggested the cars would have slower lap times. Once using a 1:39 lap time for Barcelona (even if the time is just an exaggeration to make a point, it is implied the cars would be slower), and then again saying cars doing 1:10 now well be doing 1:15.

Yes it is true that a budget restriction could slow the rate of potential performance, just as reduced testing, reduced CFD, reduced wind tunnel, or more restrictive technical directives. I would much rather have a budget cap than more restrictions in the TD's.

FFS dude... you still don't get it. I was making an example to illustrate the point. An exaggeration to make it as simple as possible. One that you still refuse to understand for reasons you may not even know yourself.

Yes, the cars will be slower than their ULTIMATE POSSIBLE PACE WITH A COST CAP THAN WITHOUT. Only an absolute mad man would think that a team can develop a car using $145MM that will be as fast as if the team had $400MM.

Seriously? How is this so damn difficult to understand?

The second part of that, deals with the Second Law of Thermodynamics as they apply to social issued. It's simple Entropy and has been proven to apply to everything, not just heat transfer. All systems in this universe seek equilibrium. As talent becomes equally distributed among teams because of equal budgets the average pace of all the cars will get closer and closer to the AVERAGE!!!!!! Again, using simple numbers as an example, if WITHOUT THE BUDGET CAP, the fastest car would have been a 1:10 and the slowest a 1:20, in a few years they will all be doing 1:15s. Jesus H Christ, dude. It's so freakin' simple my Pomeranian understand but you still seem to struggle. Entropy is a real thing no matter how much you want to pretend it doesn't exist.

[SS454]

BINGO!



FFS dude... you still don't get it. I was making an example to illustrate the point. An exaggeration to make it as simple as possible. One that you still refuse to understand for reasons you may not even know yourself.

Yes, the cars will be slower than their ULTIMATE POSSIBLE PACE WITH A COST CAP THAN WITHOUT. Only an absolute mad man would think that a team can develop a car using $145MM that will be as fast as if the team had $400MM.

Seriously? How is this so damn difficult to understand?

The second part of that, deals with the Second Law of Thermodynamics as they apply to social issued. It's simple Entropy and has been proven to apply to everything, not just heat transfer. All systems in this universe seek equilibrium. As talent becomes equally distributed among teams because of equal budgets the average pace of all the cars will get closer and closer to the AVERAGE!!!!!! Again, using simple numbers as an example, if WITHOUT THE BUDGET CAP, the fastest car would have been a 1:10 and the slowest a 1:20, in a few years they will all be doing 1:15s. Jesus H Christ, dude. It's so freakin' simple my Pomeranian understand but you still seem to struggle. Entropy is a real thing no matter how much you want to pretend it doesn't exist.

Do a better job using your words. YOU gave two examples of times where cars will be slower and not once did you say "without a budget cap cars would be X fast". I did a better job explaining the supposed point you are trying to make by using the 1:08 and 1:12 numbers, and you crap all over it. And I don't get it? Given the fact I clearly stated that the rate of development would be reduced within a budget cap, as well as the gap between the best worst teams would inevitably close. Are you trying to make a point that I have already talked about? I don't have a problem with this, you do, who cares either way? Also if your intended argument is to suggest the maximum performance of an F1 will never be achieved within a budget cap, it's a pointless argument anyways since the FIA have implemented new rules time and time again to slow the cars, slow the development, "reduce costs", and reduce the freedom of the designers.

Seriously dude take a chill pill. You are throwing a hissy fit because someone does not agree with you.

[WS6TransAm01]

Do a better job using your words. YOU gave two examples of times where cars will be slower and not once did you say "without a budget cap cars would be X fast". I did a better job explaining the supposed point you are trying to make by using the 1:08 and 1:12 numbers, and you crap all over it. And I don't get it? Given the fact I clearly stated that the rate of development would be reduced within a budget cap, as well as the gap between the best worst teams would inevitably close. Are you trying to make a point that I have already talked about? I don't have a problem with this, you do, who cares either way? Also if your intended argument is to suggest the maximum performance of an F1 will never be achieved within a budget cap, it's a pointless argument anyways since the FIA have implemented new rules time and time again to slow the cars, slow the development, "reduce costs", and reduce the freedom of the designers.

Seriously dude take a chill pill. You are throwing a hissy fit because someone does not agree with you.

I didn't think I was speaking with a 6 year old to where I had to spell EVERYTHING out. I figured an adult would understand basic scientific principles.

The entire argument is that budget caps are crap and anyone who thinks they are acceptable is fit a similar description.

[SS454]

I didn't think I was speaking with a 6 year old to where I had to spell EVERYTHING out. I figured an adult would understand basic scientific principles.

The entire argument is that budget caps are crap and anyone who thinks they are acceptable is fit a similar description.

Did you really just imply I am a 6 year old because you didn't use wording to accurately describe what you were wanted to say, and then go on to say a form of "this is stupid, and anyone that doesn't agree with me it is stupid too"? Way to take this down to a kindergarden conversation.

[WS6TransAm01]

Did you really just imply I am a 6 year old because you didn't use wording to accurately describe what you were wanted to say, and then go on to say a form of "this is stupid, and anyone that doesn't agree with me it is stupid too"? Way to take this down to a kindergarden conversation.

No, because you don't understand simple concepts and need them spoon fed to you, but rather than admit you misunderstood, you take umbrage with the fact that it wasn't spoon fed to you"

[Liscia]

They are indeed budget CRAP! Applying intentionally nebulous un/mis-enforceable budgets and regulations is against the whole point and the claim of F1's being at the "pinnacle" of motorsport - yeah, motorsport bureaucracy! It's just feeble hypocritical window-dressing to assuage and appease environmentalist whiners, and they do this while yet continually adding even more mediocre races at mickeymouse tracks in some very questionable countries. Fantastic way to cut down spending and environmental damage right?
I'm always enthusiastic about Ferrari but getting more and more disenchanted with what F1 has become. Bring on the LeMans Hypercar series!
This has all been more eloquently stated before so I apologize for the rant but it just rankles me no end!

[WS6TransAm01]

They are indeed budget CRAP! Applying intentionally nebulous un/mis-enforceable budgets and regulations is against the whole point and the claim of F1's being at the "pinnacle" of motorsport - yeah, motorsport bureaucracy! It's just feeble hypocritical window-dressing to assuage and appease environmentalist whiners, and they do this while yet continually adding even more mediocre races at mickeymouse tracks in some very questionable countries. Fantastic way to cut down spending and environmental damage right?
I'm always enthusiastic about Ferrari but getting more and more disenchanted with what F1 has become. Bring on the LeMans Hypercar series!
This has all been more eloquently stated before so I apologize for the rant but it just rankles me no end!

[SLOW CLAP]

[wisepie]

They are indeed budget CRAP! Applying intentionally nebulous un/mis-enforceable budgets and regulations is against the whole point and the claim of F1's being at the "pinnacle" of motorsport - yeah, motorsport bureaucracy! It's just feeble hypocritical window-dressing to assuage and appease environmentalist whiners, and they do this while yet continually adding even more mediocre races at mickeymouse tracks in some very questionable countries. Fantastic way to cut down spending and environmental damage right?
I'm always enthusiastic about Ferrari but getting more and more disenchanted with what F1 has become. Bring on the LeMans Hypercar series!
This has all been more eloquently stated before so I apologize for the rant but it just rankles me no end!

+1, and whose idea was it to travel from Brazil to Abu Dhabi with a double-header, within a week. Bonkers.

[Liscia]

Ciao wisepie! Another fine example of f1diocy!

[aroutis]

Budget cap is just a pathetic attempt of "creating competition" (sic.) between teams that , quite honestly, realistically speaking, in real world should not exist.
In the real world you will never see Ferrari , Mercedes and RBR compete in same terms with the likes of say HAAS.
They simply don't have the same resources , and they never will.

There is zero sense forcing the three big teams to compete with one hand tied behind their back (ie. using 145 mil out whatever they could) just so they play fair (lol) against the smaller teams.

How did that turn out? Question (lol)

Oh I know, RBR first, Ferrari second, Merc three , and even if RBR did not overspend, even then, maybe , if we had our act together (pitwall), it would be Ferrari first, RBR second, Merc third.

So , this whole budget cap is what? exercise to futility?? Trying to make mechanics bust their heads as to work with less money?
Having drama like the one we have right now?
Adding more accountants (I bet RBR has an army)?

I would not mind if FIA called it quits in 2 years' time. It's a stupidity of epic propotions.
F1 IS an elit game. Do you have the money to be in it? Do you have the bones for it?
Come on in.

You don't ? Oh well.

[wisepie]

Ciao wisepie! Another fine example of f1diocy!

Ciao Liscia, and yes, now even more ridiculously complicated rules and regs tweaks for 2023, even we die-hard fans can't keep up. Mind you, I'm ancient enough for the brain cells not to be at full strength.

[Liscia]

I've never had much time for contrived and silly nonsense rules myself and guess our ages are proof that as you gain years you lose patience?
Certainly true in my case!

[Brembo]

Drivers who are told what to do and when for sure have a tough race ahead of them. Charles and Max reached their success doing what they on the track felt had to do to win. Both top drivers for sure. But the drivers pay is a sure incentive to get out there anyway! I always admire how Charles is so into whats going on in the pits etc. during each practice.

[Greig]

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/1583164967020527617


The FIA has made an offer to Red Bull for the terms of an "accepted breach agreement" for them breaching the cost cap. Details, as with all issues on this matter, are confidential for now. Now Red Bull have to decide whether to accept or go before an adjudication panel

[jgonzalesm6]

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/1583164967020527617

Can you say Ferrari 2019 2.0???

[aroutis]

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/1583164967020527617

Will they be snail slow for the next 2 years?

[stefa]

Will they be snail slow for the next 2 years?

Off course not!

[Aziz]

Will they be snail slow for the next 2 years?

No, that's only applied on ferrari

[Nick Singer]

Off course not!

It will, I'm sure, be a fix and the cost cap will be dead. Because if it's a small penalty, everyone will cheat.

Only way to stop the cheating will be a substantial fine, cost cap reduction for next year and a 25 point penalty for each driver in the DC applied in advance of 2023 for the offenders.

[aroutis]

It will, I'm sure, be a fix and the cost cap will be dead. Because if it's a small penalty, everyone will cheat.

Only way to stop the cheating will be a substantial fine, cost cap reduction for next year and a 25 point penalty for each driver in the DC applied in advance of 2023 for the offenders.

Fine would not really do something unless it was like in the hundreds of millions.
Cost cap reduction, sure, instead of 140mn. , the punished team should be able to spend say 100mn, that would hurt - add to this an oversight - ie. heavy monitoring over their expenses, an auditor of sorts, see how THAT hurts.
Especially if that auditor is there not for one, but say why not for 3 seasons.

And of course, reduce the use of anything that has to do with working with aerodynamics. Not necessarily way too much, but enough to make it hurt.

Now, set the aforementioned in stone, regardless of how much you go over the budget limits or say if you go over 500k and forward, see if the teams will think twice bout bending the rules ;)

[Liscia]

I sense a RB "plea bargain" in the making after which business as unusual for them?

[stefa]

Funny
https://youtu.be/zgTPifdN2SA

[JPZ]

I sense a RB "plea bargain" in the making after which business as unusual for them?

'For the good of the sport.'

[hakanabi]

Red Bull: F1 team receive $7m fine & 10% aero research reduction

Red Bull have been hit with a $7m (£6.07m) fine and a 10% reduction in permitted aerodynamic research for breaking Formula 1's budget cap.

Governing body the FIA said that Red Bull had overspent by £1.86m in 2021.

Their financial punishment is not a reduction in their permitted spend next year, when the budget cap is $135m.

The 10% cut is in the time they can spend using their wind tunnel or computational fluid dynamics to design their car.

The punishment comes after Red Bull acknowledged they were at fault and entered into a so-called "accepted breach agreement" with the FIA.

The FIA had previously said only that Red Bull had committed a "minor" breach, which is anything up to 5% of the cap, or $7.25m in 2021, when Max Verstappen won his first title, with no further details.

A statement by the FIA detailing Red Bull's errors said the team had "inaccurately excluded and/or adjusted costs amounting to a total of £5,607,000" in 2021.

The team's overspend breach of relevant costs adjusted by the FIA was £1,864,000.

This amounts to an understatement of accounts of nearly 5% and an adjusted overspend of 1.6%.

A total of 13 points of non-compliance included an understatement related to their new power-unit business and fixed costs, and costs relevant to catering, social security, apprenticeships, inventory (unused parts) and non-F1 activities.

The fine has to be paid within the next 30 days.

The FIA said that had Red Bull applied the correct treatment to a notional tax credit, the team would have exceeded the cap by only £432,652.

Meanwhile, Aston Martin have been fined $450,000 (£388,200) for a procedural breach of the financial regulations.

The FIA said Aston Martin were within the cap but had misreported 12 different items, including the costs of their new factory, wind tunnel and simulator.

Will the penalty have an effect?

Red Bull already had the lowest permitted aerodynamic research time for the first half of 2023 as a result of winning this year's championship.

Last year, F1 introduced a sliding scale of aerodynamic restrictions in an attempt to close up the field, giving the lowest team in the championship the most research time and the highest the least.

Rival teams will have questions as to whether the punishment is appropriate, particularly over whether the fine will have any effect on a vastly wealthy global corporation, and also as to why the amounts published are different from those that were doing the rounds of the F1 paddock at last weekend's US Grand Prix.

They will also likely point out that the areas of the overspend are irrelevant because they, too, could have chosen to spend more in such areas, but that would have meant spending less on engineering and car design.

Wow, just wow, Ferrari and Mercedes should do the same for next year, unbelievable!!!

[Liscia]

FIAsco fine on RB is chicken feed that they will easily offset with even more creative accounting. As to the reduction of
windtunnel time exactly how is that enforced? Does FIAsco have full-time monitoring ala IAEA? Without that it's a joke.

[SS454]

Meanwhile, Aston Martin have been fined $450,000 (£388,200) for a procedural breach of the financial regulations.

The FIA said Aston Martin were within the cap but had misreported 12 different items, including the costs of their new factory, wind tunnel and simulator.



So Aston Martin build new factory, wind tunnel, and simulator. Then lie about how much it costs. Get caught but only get a $450k fine?

[JPZ]

So Red Bull gets $7 million fine and 10% less wind tunnel time/aero testing for 12 months starting from today.

Thoughts?

[subfire91]

So Red Bull gets $7 million fine and 10% less wind tunnel time/aero testing for 12 months starting from today.

Thoughts?

the fine is a a joke.

Less aero testing is significant and will definitely hurt them if and only if it is policed correctly and efficiently.

[Lesky]

Alonso stirring the pot again:

https://i.imgur.com/FPqg8Qe.jpg

[jgonzalesm6]

Alonso stirring the pot again:

https://i.imgur.com/FPqg8Qe.jpg

he also tweeted this.....

And again…
Please, all the titles are amazing, well deserved and inspiring. Incomparable to each other and let’s enjoy champions and legends of our current time. Tired of the continuous search for headlines . Let's enjoy them!

[SS454]

Alonso stirring the pot again:

https://i.imgur.com/FPqg8Qe.jpg

Speaking facts once again. Also firing salt at Hamilton once again lol.

Skysport throwing hate towards Alonso should be coming asap.

[nani_s23]

Italian Newspaper Corriere della Sera reports that Bernie Ecclestone was involved in negotiating a penalty for Red Bull’s cost cap breach.

He is a good friend of Christian Horner and Mohammed Ben Sulayem, so both parties were happy about having Ecclestone involved.

[JPZ]

Ferrari preparing for 2023 F1 season ‘by doing things correctly’ amid budget cap rules

In 2022, Red Bull was able to overturn a championship that had not started in an ideal way for them, but the Austrian side gradually introduced updates that allowed the RB18 above all to lose weight, with continuous and extensive work on the floor of the car, on the sidepods and on the engine cover to improve its aerodynamic efficiency since the Bahrain Grand Prix.

Ferrari boss Mattia Binotto has repeatedly invited the FIA ​​to be diligent and pay close attention when performing the checks on the budget cap limits, comments made by the Maranello team principal long before this matter appeared in Singapore, regarding the financial rules for 2021.

Mercedes has also introduced a lot of updates on their W13 during the season, just like Red Bull. In a press conference at the end of the Mexican Grand Prix, Mattia Binotto, when asked about Mercedes expenses potentially being above the budget cap, he replied as following: “I don’t know how to answer and I don’t want to have any doubts. We leave these checks to the FIA. Or rather we hope it will not be necessary to wait until October 2023 to know the truth about 2022. For us I can guarantee that we are preparing for the 2023 season by doing things correctly.”

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-preparing-for-2023-f1-season-by-doing-things-correctly-amid-budget-cap-rules/?fbclid=IwAR2nkg1EFiD-bVRgaJxfUfrsv90Hdfhnw-WwCMHox_4uSovKU43sDm_7Dko

[Gilles]

Binotto said things at the beginning of the championship that make us think he had no faith in winning this year
He was thinking about reliability for sure, maybe porpoising too
I think they put their money in the 2023's car instead of updating the 2022's one
It could also explain why he cut off Charles' hope in this way
3 years of frustration to get back to top, if this is the plan, it’s still tough for everyone
It can also mean that 2022 was the opportunity to exist for Carlos and satisfy Santander, because next year, the team will be with Charles
I had already mentioned these hypothesis, because if Binotto is bad in managing people, i can't imagine he can be that bad without a kind of hidden logic behind it

[WS6TransAm01]

Binotto said things at the beginning of the championship that make us think he had no faith in winning this year
He was thinking about reliability for sure, maybe porpoising too
I think they put their money in the 2023's car instead of updating the 2022's one
It could also explain why he cut off Charles' hope in this way
3 years of frustration to get back to top, if this is the plan, it’s still tough for everyone
It can also mean that 2022 was the opportunity to exist for Carlos and satisfy Santander, because next year, the team will be with Charles
I had already mentioned these hypothesis, because if Binotto is bad in managing people, i can't imagine he can be that bad without a kind of hidden logic behind it

It’s been 14 years of frustration and Ferrari are still not at the top.

Binotto is a hack. In 2023 he will be talking about 2024. He is that bad, without any kind of logic. He isn’t playing 4D chess, he is barely able to play checkers.

[brucewayne]

Binotto said things at the beginning of the championship that make us think he had no faith in winning this year
He was thinking about reliability for sure, maybe porpoising too
I think they put their money in the 2023's car instead of updating the 2022's one
It could also explain why he cut off Charles' hope in this way
3 years of frustration to get back to top, if this is the plan, it’s still tough for everyone
It can also mean that 2022 was the opportunity to exist for Carlos and satisfy Santander, because next year, the team will be with Charles
I had already mentioned these hypothesis, because if Binotto is bad in managing people, i can't imagine he can be that bad without a kind of hidden logic behind it

Binotto is an engineer, so this logical thinking isn't out of reach. 2023 is the year, no excuses anymore. To be able to fight with RB/Max, we have to be all in on Charles.

[jgonzalesm6]

Morto Mauro Forghieri Jan. 13, 1935 - Nov. 2, 2022.......RIP

[wisepie]

Morto Mauro Forghieri Jan. 13, 1935 - Nov. 2, 2022.......RIP

A reflection of Ferrari as Enzo created it, how times have changed, and not necessarily for the better. RIP Mauro Forghieri.

[Cavallino]

Binotto said things at the beginning of the championship that make us think he had no faith in winning this year
He was thinking about reliability for sure, maybe porpoising too
I think they put their money in the 2023's car instead of updating the 2022's one
It could also explain why he cut off Charles' hope in this way
3 years of frustration to get back to top, if this is the plan, it’s still tough for everyone
It can also mean that 2022 was the opportunity to exist for Carlos and satisfy Santander, because next year, the team will be with Charles
I had already mentioned these hypothesis, because if Binotto is bad in managing people, i can't imagine he can be that bad without a kind of hidden logic behind it

no one can deny that there has been steady process since the 2020 season. And Binotto has been consistent with his plan.

We also know for a fact that Ferrari has atleast 15-30 bhp ready to go for next season. No other team can do that, within the regulations. So if another team shows up next year, with more horespower, Ferrari MUST protest. They MUST throw the book at them.

Ferrari also has more to gain than say Red Bull on the porpoising front. I would always bank on Newey being able to come out of the gates ahead of everyone with a new Formula that is very aero-centric, if that makes sense.

And at some point, these TDs have to start going our way. We need to start using our weight.

[jgonzalesm6]

And at some point, these TDs have to start going our way. We need to start using our weight.

Binotto doesn't have it in him. Binotto is going up against 2 ruthless team principals whom want to win in F1 and will do anything to do it....as witnessed by TD39 (from Mercedes and aided by the FIA) and overspending (RedBull) due to the budget cap.

I just don't see it in Binotto.

[nani_s23]

Binotto doesn't have it in him. Binotto is going up against 2 ruthless team principals whom want to win in F1 and will do anything to do it....as witnessed by TD39 (from Mercedes and aided by the FIA) and overspending (RedBull) due to the budget cap.

I just don't see it in Binotto.

Perfectly said. This is the point I was trying to highlight since 2years.
He might be a good technical engineer but not a good team principal. He doesn’t have such qualities.

[nani_s23]

Max vs Charles -> 100 GP’s

WDC. 0 0
Wins 7 5
Pole 1 18
DNF’s 31 17
Podiums 29 23
Front Rows 8 29

[WS6TransAm01]

Max vs Charles -> 100 GP’s

WDC. 0 0
Wins 7 5
Pole 1 18
DNF’s 31 17
Podiums 29 23
Front Rows 8 29

Max has 2 boats. Charles has zero. Because Max drives for a team with a leader not a pusillanimous wimp.

That’s the only stat that really matters.

[Liscia]

A reflection of Ferrari as Enzo created it, how times have changed, and not necessarily for the better. RIP Mauro Forghieri.

A great designer and innovator inextricably linked to some of Ferrari's greatest eras and cars.
May he rest in peace and dream of his flat twelves!! Ever grateful for all he did for our team!

[Gilles]

A great designer and innovator inextricably linked to some of Ferrari's greatest eras and cars.
May he rest in peace and dream of his flat twelves!! Ever grateful for all he did for our team!

Conflicting feelings
He is the father of the car I had in my child’s alphabet book which may have influenced my sub concient
He was my ideal ingenieur, until I learned how he had treated Gilles and he continued to talk about him
Unfortunately, heroes only exist in children’s heads

[nani_s23]

Charles Leclerc:

“I want to be World Champion in 2023. I know the president, John Elkann, said it is a goal to be achieved by 2026, but I cannot accept this deadline. I am very impatient.”

“I will prepare and do everything possible to become World Champion in 2023.”

[nani_s23]

Charles Leclerc on his future at Ferrari:

“I have a contract until 2024, and I see that as a long way away.”

“I have always loved Ferrari, and I want to win with this team as soon as possible.”

“When the time comes, I will think about my future, but I love this team.”

[nani_s23]

Carlos had to change his driving style this year. How was your approach?”

Charles: ��️ “I think all drivers had to change their style in some way, as these cars are now much heavier.”

“I also had to adapt to the 2023 cars at the beginning.”

[nani_s23]

Charles tells us what he liked most about the F1-75:

“Personally, the aspect I liked most is having a strong front end.”

“At the beginning of the season the insertion [at the front end] was just what I like.”

Charles: "At the beginning of the season our car in general was better than Red Bull. Then they took steps forward, we saw what they brought to the track on so many weekends, and from our side this led to a difference in performance between quali and the race.Atm I think the points where we need to improve are tyre management, communication, strategy and reliability, an issue the latter of which we had to deal with in the first half of the season and which we had to manage.I think in terms of communication and strategy we have made progress, especially in the last few races, the team has done a great job on these aspects and I have seen progress.It hasn't always been obvious because in some cases the right choices are less obvious, but I know that is the case. As far as tyre management is concerned we know what we are missing, and on some fronts I am already seeing progress.."

On the podium in Austin, it was you Hamilton and Verstappen. Some people have pointed to that podium as the status of the current F1. Do you agree?

Charles: "Tbh I don't like these rankings.Lewis is different for me, he has a lot of experience and was already an established F1 driver when I was a kid, while with Max we grew up together and we've faced each other many times already in karting.I like comparing myself on the track with them. I know Max well, and when I've battled with Lewis I've always had a sense of his experience, he knows what he's doing. They are two completely different styles, but to answer your question, I won't answer the question.

If someone had told you last winter that you would win three races, get on the podium seven more times, and get nine poles, would you have signed for that?

Charles: "No, I wouldn't have because I would only sign for winning the world championship! But I would have been suspicious of this prediction, as 2020 and 2021 were two difficult years and to confirm a leap forward in performance like we did was the result of a lot of hard work.As the season goes on you tend to forget that, but last year there were weekends when finishing P7 was considered a good result. Today we always aim high, it didn't always go as we wanted, but we are working to improve.”

[wisepie]

Charles tells us what he liked most about the F1-75:

“Personally, the aspect I liked most is having a strong front end.”

“At the beginning of the season the insertion [at the front end] was just what I like.”

Charles: "At the beginning of the season our car in general was better than Red Bull. Then they took steps forward, we saw what they brought to the track on so many weekends, and from our side this led to a difference in performance between quali and the race.Atm I think the points where we need to improve are tyre management, communication, strategy and reliability, an issue the latter of which we had to deal with in the first half of the season and which we had to manage.I think in terms of communication and strategy we have made progress, especially in the last few races, the team has done a great job on these aspects and I have seen progress.It hasn't always been obvious because in some cases the right choices are less obvious, but I know that is the case. As far as tyre management is concerned we know what we are missing, and on some fronts I am already seeing progress.."

On the podium in Austin, it was you Hamilton and Verstappen. Some people have pointed to that podium as the status of the current F1. Do you agree?

Charles: "Tbh I don't like these rankings.Lewis is different for me, he has a lot of experience and was already an established F1 driver when I was a kid, while with Max we grew up together and we've faced each other many times already in karting.I like comparing myself on the track with them. I know Max well, and when I've battled with Lewis I've always had a sense of his experience, he knows what he's doing. They are two completely different styles, but to answer your question, I won't answer the question.

If someone had told you last winter that you would win three races, get on the podium seven more times, and get nine poles, would you have signed for that?

Charles: "No, I wouldn't have because I would only sign for winning the world championship! But I would have been suspicious of this prediction, as 2020 and 2021 were two difficult years and to confirm a leap forward in performance like we did was the result of a lot of hard work.As the season goes on you tend to forget that, but last year there were weekends when finishing P7 was considered a good result. Today we always aim high, it didn't always go as we wanted, but we are working to improve.”

All credit to Charles for not throwing his toys out of the pram after some of the issues he's had to face in 2022, only two of which were of his own doing. And he is a fighter, honest and trustworthy enough to bring glory back to Ferrari when the team provides him with the most reliable car and strategy, with continuous development during the season.

[brucewayne]

All credit to Charles for not throwing his toys out of the pram after some of the issues he's had to face in 2022, only two of which were of his own doing. And he is a fighter, honest and trustworthy enough to bring glory back to Ferrari when the team provides him with the most reliable car and strategy, with continuous development during the season.

Only Ferrari develops a car according to the preferences of the slower driver. Good drivers can deal with a loose rear, but it seems Ferrari hates to win. A strong front was the way to go, but Ferrari will never learn.

[Nick Singer]

A reflection of Ferrari as Enzo created it, how times have changed, and not necessarily for the better. RIP Mauro Forghieri.

Taken when pit/ paddock security was a little more relaxed..

8091

[ferrari1.8t]

Charles Leclerc:

“I want to be World Champion in 2023. I know the president, John Elkann, said it is a goal to be achieved by 2026, but I cannot accept this deadline. I am very impatient.”

“I will prepare and do everything possible to become World Champion in 2023.”

2026, wow. So disappointing…Ferrari always moving the goal posts further and further away. At this rate Red Bull and Mercedes will equal our WCC’s soon. Embarrassing.

[Brembo]

I believe every top driver should start the races knowing he has a shot at the podium or even a win. If they know in advance they have to move over for their team mate [once WDC is already won] A first lap DNF and relax watching the race from the pit wall is what seems to be the trend. Who can blame them? The pay stays the same. It also helps drivers in the back to move up . Even into the top 10! I really believed 2022 was Ferrari's turn WDC ,WCC. The 2021 give away just wasn't enough.

[nani_s23]

All credit to Charles for not throwing his toys out of the pram after some of the issues he's had to face in 2022, only two of which were of his own doing. And he is a fighter, honest and trustworthy enough to bring glory back to Ferrari when the team provides him with the most reliable car and strategy, with continuous development during the season.

I fear, soon we gonna see another same missed chances just like Ferrari with Alonso/Vettel & now Leclerc.

[racingbradley]

I fear, soon we gonna see another same missed chances just like Ferrari with Alonso/Vettel & now Leclerc.

I hate to admit it but I agree with you. Let's hope we are both wrong. :pray

[wisepie]

I hate to admit it but I agree with you. Let's hope we are both wrong. :pray

I still have faith that Charles can deliver championships with Ferrari but it's dependent on the team's ability to get their act together for a whole season, with some proper leadership.:pray

[KimiBot]

I still have faith that Charles can deliver championships with Ferrari but it's dependent on the team's ability to get their act together for a whole season, with some proper leadership.:pray

To be honest, it does not look like that at all. You see, Mercs was crap when season started, and look them now. I dont know, but this is like this year after year and nothing happens, no changes, Binotto keeps his job and always talks about next year. I said 2020, that as long as we have Binotto, we are not going to win anything. This is just sad. Really really sad.
Why Elkann does not do anything, is he happy with this.

[racingbradley]

I still have faith that Charles can deliver championships with Ferrari but it's dependent on the team's ability to get their act together for a whole season, with some proper leadership.:pray

i have faith in Charles and know he can deliver championships but alas the team are not on song.
They need a new team principal, strategist and possibly a sporting director..........in fact changes at the top.
Elkann needs to raise his expectations and help to deliver a management team . :roll

[Brembo]

Dear R Bradley; Wisepie; 'Detto con il cuore e sempre un Bon Giorno Speciale!! ' Both your posts are perfectly reflecting Ferrari ! Hopefully Santander can be of help $$!

[Rishu]

Some rumours on social media, Toto targeting Charles for 2024

[Toothlessrage*]

Some rumours on social media, Toto targeting Charles for 2024

My achy breaky heart can't take any more of this sorrow.
If Charles leaves, who else?

I'm sorry, I am a "glass half-empty" kind of guy.

[Brembo]

Some rumours on social media, Toto targeting Charles for 2024

Mick may well be ready by then!

[Toothlessrage*]

Mick may well be ready by then!

Ready?

To re-join HAAS?
To retire?
To join the unemployment line?

[aroutis]

Some rumours on social media, Toto targeting Charles for 2024

Toto can keep Lewis till 2050

[Brembo]

Toto can keep Lewis till 2050

With the likes of Massi gone from F-1 Sir Lewis may well do 10 WDCs ! I just don't believe Max that great. Charles is as good as the rest.

[Silent Bob]

My achy breaky heart can't take any more of this sorrow.
If Charles leaves, who else?

I'm sorry, I am a "glass half-empty" kind of guy.



Maybe Toto will make everyone happy and take Binotto with him

[Rishu]

I think Toto is playing bluff, Lewis wants a multi-year deal and with George doing well, Lewis has lost some leverage. Playing the Charles card, he wants to sign Lewis at a lower salary

[wisepie]

If 2023 proves to be another Ferrari debacle like 2022, we can't blame Charles for looking elsewhere and after so many years of being a Tifoso, I think I may call time on F1 completely if Charles were to leave Ferrari. Let's face it, Liberty are turning F1 into a circus and it really is all about the money.:roll

[wisepie]

If 2023 proves to be another Ferrari debacle like 2022, we can't blame Charles for looking elsewhere and after so many years of being a Tifoso, I think I may call time on F1 completely if Charles were to leave Ferrari. Let's face it, Liberty are turning F1 into a circus and it really is all about the money.:roll

[wisepie]

If 2023 proves to be another Ferrari debacle like 2022, we can't blame Charles for looking elsewhere and after so many years of being a Tifoso, I think I may call time on F1 completely if Charles were to leave Ferrari. Let's face it, Liberty are turning F1 into a circus and it really is all about the money.:roll

[Toothlessrage*]

If 2023 proves to be another Ferrari debacle like 2022, we can't blame Charles for looking elsewhere and after so many years of being a Tifoso, I think I may call time on F1 completely if Charles were to leave Ferrari. Let's face it, Liberty are turning F1 into a circus and it really is all about the money.:roll

I agree with you (x 3).
If Ferrari is in a position where they aren't competitive (in 2023), Binnoto will probably get sacked.
From then on, Ferrari won't have the needed strength nor the stability to compete for the championship until the next major rule change.

[aroutis]

With the likes of Massi gone from F-1 Sir Lewis may well do 10 WDCs ! I just don't believe Max that great. Charles is as good as the rest.

Masi was gone this year and Lewis has yet to score one single victory.
It is the best championship for a long long time.

Also , Masi gone has not benefitted the score. I say, bring him back, if of course he'd return.

[Liscia]

If 2023 proves to be another Ferrari debacle like 2022, we can't blame Charles for looking elsewhere and after so many years of being a Tifoso, I think I may call time on F1 completely if Charles were to leave Ferrari. Let's face it, Liberty are turning F1 into a circus and it really is all about the money.:roll

That goes for me too. This feeling which I don't like but can't help has been creeping up on me for quite a while too!

[wisepie]

That goes for me to. This feeling which I don't like but can't help has been creeping up on me for quite a while too!

No disrespect intended, Liscia, but maybe it's our age! Like everything else in this modern digital world, I find each day a challenge keeping up with the 'advances' made in the name of progress! They just confuse this old fossil. If Charles goes, then so do I....probably.

[Liscia]

You are SO polite wisepie, not even a hint of disrespect detected! You're right too about our ages being
either allergic or immune to contrived hype and baloney! Salute a ti fratello!!

[Brembo]

Masi was gone this year and Lewis has yet to score one single victory.
It is the best championship for a long long time.

Also , Masi gone has not benefitted the score. I say, bring him back, if of course he'd return.

Forget Massi we fans need Flavio back!!! :rotfl

[aroutis]

Can anyone tell me why do you people think that Charles is looking elsewhere?

[wisepie]

Can anyone tell me why do you people think that Charles is looking elsewhere?

There have been unconfirmed rumours from various sources suggesting that's what he needs to do to become WDC, that's all. He has always maintained he wants the championship with Ferrari and I believe him but he's not going to waste precious years in a car or team that can't support him 100%.

[wisepie]

You are SO polite wisepie, not even a hint of disrespect detected! You're right too about our ages being
either allergic or immune to contrived hype and baloney! Salute a ti fratello!!

Couldn't have put it better myself, auguri anche a te, sorella!

[Golfsmith]

Can anyone tell me why do you people think that Charles is looking elsewhere?
Hungry for WDC and wins Ferrari cant give him at the moment,maybe Audi 2026.

[FerrariF60]

Hungry for WDC and wins Ferrari cant give him at the moment,maybe Audi 2026.

Hopefully by then he’ll have at least one, maybe more wdc,s with Ferrari

[Liscia]

Couldn't have put it better myself, auguri anche a te, sorella!

Io sono masche wisepie. Liscia (in Italiano) a word play on my wife's name Alicia;)

[wisepie]

Io sono masche wisepie. Liscia (in Italiano) a word play on my wife's name Alicia;)

Scusami, ancora una volta, no offence intended! Saluti amico, anche a Alicia!

[Brembo]

Scusami, ancora una volta, no offence intended! Saluti amico, anche a Alicia!

Wisepie Io sono contento che lo abbia chiarito!

[racingbradley]

There have been unconfirmed rumours from various sources suggesting that's what he needs to do to become WDC, that's all. He has always maintained he wants the championship with Ferrari and I believe him but he's not going to waste precious years in a car or team that can't support him 100%.
Whilst I agree with what you say I would hate to see him go. Miracles do happen i supported Felipe at Williams while staying loyal to Ferrari.
I hate to think how i would view F1
I need a driver to support as well as the team.:-??:-??
.

[JPZ]

If the current strategy/decision-making system stays in place at Ferrari, I don't see how anything will improve next year.

I'm worried Leclerc will reach breaking point and leave.

Elkann apparently told him '2026' will be when Ferrari would be able to compete for the title, which would be 19 years since the last WDC.

I don't understand how he could say that, next year must be the year!

[Nick Singer]

Some rumours on social media, Toto targeting Charles for 2024

Which will, of course, be when Mercedes drop the ball and it all goes pear-shaped!

[Nick Singer]

If 2023 proves to be another Ferrari debacle like 2022, we can't blame Charles for looking elsewhere and after so many years of being a Tifoso, I think I may call time on F1 completely if Charles were to leave Ferrari. Let's face it, Liberty are turning F1 into a circus and it really is all about the money.:roll

Sad but true.

[tpe]

Some rumours on social media, Toto targeting Charles for 2024

Maybe it's the other way around.

[subfire91]

If the current strategy/decision-making system stays in place at Ferrari, I don't see how anything will improve next year.

I'm worried Leclerc will reach breaking point and leave.

Elkann apparently told him '2026' will be when Ferrari would be able to compete for the title, which would be 19 years since the last WDC.

I don't understand how he could say that, next year must be the year!

it will be better next year because it cannot get worse. how much lower you can go when you have the fastest car and engine?

of course it well get better only if they fix that reliability issues and finally being able to push the engine 100% and also fix the tire eating issues as well and ferrari will be in the mix.

[Liscia]

[QUOTE=wisepie;1072700]Scusami, ancora una volta, no offence intended! Saluti amic

This is a prime example of why you and the rest of us tifosi are the best! Been away from my magic box
so excuse this late reply.

[wisepie]

Niente problema amicO!!;-)

[JPZ]

it will be better next year because it cannot get worse. how much lower you can go when you have the fastest car and engine?

of course it well get better only if they fix that reliability issues and finally being able to push the engine 100% and also fix the tire eating issues as well and ferrari will be in the mix.

I’m referring specifically to strategy, not car performance or reliability, which I believe will at least be competitive and hopefully the fastest.

However, the strategy department and pit wall communication will have to improve next year in order to maximise the potential of the car and drivers.

[Brembo]

Let them race is the best race to watch and keep us fans happy! Just think how Russell's fans feel now!!! NO last second "Let Lewis pass!! "

[nani_s23]

Gazzetta reporting that starting from January 2023, Frederic Vasseur will be the Ferrari team principal, replacing Mattia Binotto.

Apparently John Elkann considered Vasseur as a replacement already last summer, because the Ferrari management was looking for a potential Binotto replacement..

[ferrari1.8t]

Recent Team Principals of the top 3…

Red Bull Team Principal -
Christian Horner 2005 - Present

Mercedes Team Principal -
Toto Wolff 2013 - Present

Ferrari Team Principal(s)
Stefano Domenicali 2008–April 2014
Marco Mattiacci April–November 2014
Maurizio Arrivabene 2015–2018
Mattia Binotto 2019-?
Fred Vasseur??

It’s obvious that Ferrari lacks stability….maybe they make mistakes picking team leaders. Whatever the case, we are constantly in a re-build. It is frustrating as a fan.

With whatever changes are made on top, hopefully we clearly identify a #1 driver, change the strategists and start to flex our weight again.

[nani_s23]

when asked, reports that regarding the position of Mattia Binotto, the rumors that circulate: "These are rumors and speculations that we never comment on" We take note. As far as I'm concerned, it should be noted that Vasseur is not denying it Alfa / Sauber: "no comment"

@Formu1a_uno

[nani_s23]

In the summer, there was a face-to-face confrontation between Charles Leclerc and Binotto for the management of the Silverstone race.

This was then resolved by the dinner in Monte Carlo.

@Gazzetta_it

[FerrariF60]

Recent Team Principals of the top 3…

Red Bull Team Principal -
Christian Horner 2005 - Present

Mercedes Team Principal -
Toto Wolff 2013 - Present

Ferrari Team Principal(s)
Stefano Domenicali 2008–April 2014
Marco Mattiacci April–November 2014
Maurizio Arrivabene 2015–2018
Mattia Binotto 2019-?
Fred Vasseur??

It’s obvious that Ferrari lacks stability….maybe they make mistakes picking team leaders. Whatever the case, we are constantly in a re-build. It is frustrating as a fan.

With whatever changes are made on top, hopefully we clearly identify a #1 driver, change the strategists and start to flex our weight again.

Totally agree, about time Bin Outto got the boot as TP....good engineer but lacks in being a great team leader
Hopefully with Vasseur in charge we’ll get a clear #1 driver and a support #2 like all top teams have....aka red fools
That is the only way to win a wdc and WCC and hopefully we’ll have the car as a whole ( engine and aero) to do so in 2023

[brucewayne]

Totally agree, about time Bin Outto got the boot as TP....good engineer but lacks in being a great team leader
Hopefully with Vasseur in charge we’ll get a clear #1 driver and a support #2 like all top teams have....aka red fools
That is the only way to win a wdc and WCC and hopefully we’ll have the car as a whole ( engine and aero) to do so in 2023

I agree. I really like Binotto but more in a technical role.
He made too many mistakes this year, focusing to make Sainz more comfortable instead making the car faster to have a shot at winning. Monaco and Silverstone were unacceptable, but yet no consequences. TD039 was the end, you can't let that happen.

[paneristi]

Binotto got the role due to his relationship with Louis Camilleri who went to school in Lausanne.

[wisepie]

It would be a slap in the face for Binotto if he's disposed of and he did contribute to the base F1-75 which was a winner, so he'd be better off staying in the technical role which is his strength. Vasseur is an interesting option but will have to prove himself on a much higher level at Ferrari. And yet more upheaval to follow, no doubt.:Hmm

[SS454]

Recent Team Principals of the top 3…

Red Bull Team Principal -
Christian Horner 2005 - Present

Mercedes Team Principal -
Toto Wolff 2013 - Present

Ferrari Team Principal(s)
Stefano Domenicali 2008–April 2014
Marco Mattiacci April–November 2014
Maurizio Arrivabene 2015–2018
Mattia Binotto 2019-?
Fred Vasseur??

It’s obvious that Ferrari lacks stability….maybe they make mistakes picking team leaders. Whatever the case, we are constantly in a re-build. It is frustrating as a fan.

With whatever changes are made on top, hopefully we clearly identify a #1 driver, change the strategists and start to flex our weight again.

Ferrari have got to stop giving jobs to people that are friends, or digging through resumes that only come from Italy. A world of talent and knowledge, and they focus on people from Italy. A country of 59 million people.

Until they change this snobby mentality, they will never be champions.

[ferrari1.8t]

It would be a slap in the face for Binotto if he's disposed of and he did contribute to the base F1-75 which was a winner, so he'd be better off staying in the technical role which is his strength. Vasseur is an interesting option but will have to prove himself on a much higher level at Ferrari. And yet more upheaval to follow, no doubt.:Hmm

I agree with this, he has been with Ferrari for a long time. He has proven he can build a fast car. Keep him in engineering and give someone else the role of TP. Someone who can make hard decisions, be political and who wants to win!

[Brembo]

`Binotto's only job was to get Mick in as a driver . Mick isn't ready for that Ferrari seat. Binotto is told what to say and do every day. He's not to be blamed for anything that goes wrong, he just follows orders and $$$ gets paid well do do so!! Meanwhile Russell gets his 1st win!! Lewis didn't tell Merc to let him pass!

[WS6TransAm01]

Recent Team Principals of the top 3…

Red Bull Team Principal -
Christian Horner 2005 - Present

Mercedes Team Principal -
Toto Wolff 2013 - Present

Ferrari Team Principal(s)
Stefano Domenicali 2008–April 2014
Marco Mattiacci April–November 2014
Maurizio Arrivabene 2015–2018
Mattia Binotto 2019-?
Fred Vasseur??

It’s obvious that Ferrari lacks stability….maybe they make mistakes picking team leaders. Whatever the case, we are constantly in a re-build. It is frustrating as a fan.

With whatever changes are made on top, hopefully we clearly identify a #1 driver, change the strategists and start to flex our weight again.

The turnover in Ferrari TPs is because they have all been failures. Toto won the championship in his 2nd year. Horner was competitive by his 4th year with a team that started out as a losing Jaguar cluster-f.

There is a pattern in the failed TPs at Ferrari which is easy to identify.

[jgonzalesm6]

HAAS F1

Mick is out at the end of 2022.

Hulkenberg is in.

[jgonzalesm6]

Recent Team Principals of the top 3…

Red Bull Team Principal -
Christian Horner 2005 - Present

Mercedes Team Principal -
Toto Wolff 2013 - Present

Ferrari Team Principal(s)
Stefano Domenicali 2008–April 2014
Marco Mattiacci April–November 2014
Maurizio Arrivabene 2015–2018
Mattia Binotto 2019-?
Fred Vasseur??

It’s obvious that Ferrari lacks stability….maybe they make mistakes picking team leaders. Whatever the case, we are constantly in a re-build. It is frustrating as a fan.

With whatever changes are made on top, hopefully we clearly identify a #1 driver, change the strategists and start to flex our weight again.

AMuS

Elkann has approached Horner and Seidl.....apparently none of these TP's wants to run the gauntlet at Maranello.

[totox]

AMuS

Elkann has approached Horner and Seidl.....apparently none of these TP's wants to run the gauntlet at Maranello.

Because Elkann itself is the problem. He wants a puppet he can handle with politics and influence in order to keep running the brand according the Agnelli family interests. That's why he was opposed to the Binotto's petition of bring back Todt as a right hand. Agnelli family don't have interest in wining anything, just to own and run the most prestigious cars brand in the world and make a huge profit of it.

[totox]

People ask for Binotto's head and are perfectly fine with incompetente Mekies, and Rueda, a guy in charge for almost 10 years of the most erratic and polemic department. And that's suggest clearly that is protected by someone from the top level of the organization, maybe an agreement with Spanish people of the Santander bank. The same happens with Sainz and the illogical decision of change the car development towards his preferences. In that environment, winning is almost anecdotical thing that will never occur in decades

[FerrariF60]

So will Bin OUTTO still gonna get ousted from his position?? Or all thyme as of late that Vaseur will take his place was just that, a rumor.
I’d personally like to see him gone from his TP position and more into an engineering role as he’s a great engineer
Also they should revamp the strategy dept as it’s lacking big time

[Riccardog]

found this on F1.com:
"This has been a remarkable season, one where Max Verstappen delivered one of the most comprehensive title defences the sport has ever seen, driving one of the most dominant cars to have graced this championship in the form of the Red Bull RB18."

do they actually believe the ******** being spewed in this one sentence?
have they forgotten the last 8 years?
Why are they allowed to continue this way?

[tpe]

My prediction is clear.
Binotto is out
Vasseur is mediocre, at best.
Ferrari will struggle to be 3rd in 2023.

Relax, more difficult years are ahead of us

[stefa]

My prediction is clear.
Binotto is out
Vasseur is mediocre, at best.
Ferrari will struggle to be 3rd in 2023.

Relax, more difficult years are ahead of us

:rotfl

[aroutis]

Recent Team Principals of the top 3…

Red Bull Team Principal -
Christian Horner 2005 - Present

Mercedes Team Principal -
Toto Wolff 2013 - Present

Ferrari Team Principal(s)
Stefano Domenicali 2008–April 2014
Marco Mattiacci April–November 2014
Maurizio Arrivabene 2015–2018
Mattia Binotto 2019-?
Fred Vasseur??

It’s obvious that Ferrari lacks stability….maybe they make mistakes picking team leaders. Whatever the case, we are constantly in a re-build. It is frustrating as a fan.

With whatever changes are made on top, hopefully we clearly identify a #1 driver, change the strategists and start to flex our weight again.

You can have stability when you have the right people at the right places. We saw that recently back in 1996 to say 2008ish or so.
When you fail to make the right decisions who you put to the right places, what you get is poor performance and you end up making stupid calls.

I have nothing personal with Binotto who is an excellent technician. In fact, this is exactly the issue, his position calls for soft skills that he utterly lacks, and he ended up being a TP because God knows why (I honestly don't care).
He should never had been a TP, I don't care if he wanted to be, the top management should have had a sit down (or 20) and explain to him as to why, and find some sort of solution.
But no, in typical Ferrari fashion , he became a TP, and we see the results. He did deliver, sure but he found his limits, and this is why the team SUFFERED.

And now , we ended up having this conversation.

[aroutis]

People ask for Binotto's head and are perfectly fine with incompetente Mekies, and Rueda
Says who?
Everyone expects that the pitwall people that makes the ridiculous strategic decisions that have screwed the team , should go.

[jgonzalesm6]

High probability Ricciardo returns to RedBull in 2023 as a reserve driver.........welcome back Danny.

[brucewayne]

Says who?
Everyone expects that the pitwall people that makes the ridiculous strategic decisions that have screwed the team , should go.

It's quite the opposite. Most want Binotto to stay, and find someone who works with him. Literally everyone wants changes with the strategy team.

[jgonzalesm6]

Anyone ready for women in F1?

An F1 Academy for women starts in 2023.

[SS454]

Anyone ready for women in F1?

An F1 Academy for women starts in 2023.

I really don't like this affirmative action nonsense. Women have the same opportunities to get into F1 as men do. There is no reason a woman can't perform as well as a man in car driven motorsports. But when the male drivers outcount the women by probably 1000:1, the talent pool for women is just very low.

[Brembo]

Every start of season top teams announce there will be no 1,2 drivers, each driver will be equal to go out and win. Santander $$ may well give Carlos a shot at an even chance. Remember 1,2 or 2,1 = same points for WCC !

[nani_s23]

@ Motorsport Italy: Scuderia Ferrari is ready to enforce the right to veto. The Scuderia has not yet signed up for entry among the Constructors who will adhere to the 2026 engine regulations, although the FIA ​​had set a limit which was set for November 15th.Maranello does not like the idea that Red Bull Powertrains can be considered a new power unit manufacturer and, therefore, as such can take advantage of a series of concessions from which Audi will certainly benefit.
For the moment there are 3 engine manufacturers who have joined the 2026 tender: Mercedes, Audi & of course, Red Bull Powertrains. Horner admitted that he signed the agreement, even if Ferrari got in the way, this time showing its intention to bring its political weight to bear.For Ferrari, a structure like RBP cannot be equated to a new engine manufacturer, given that the Milton Keynes structure makes use of the technical collaboration of Honda and the inevitable technical transfer facilitates the growth of the technical group which was generated around a group of ex-Mercedes motorists who have left the Star en bloc to join the ambitious project headed by Christian Horner.Although the negotiations with the Japanese to continue the collaboration even beyond the 2025 world championship have not yet been completed, Ferrari fears that the two-times world champion in F1 could acquire a technical advantage with the concessions (an extra budget and fewer constraints for the development of the power unit on the test bench) and, therefore, gets in the way by weighing down what is its right enshrined in the initialing of the renewal of the Concorde Agreement.A Scuderia that is too often submissive in its political choices (in Maranello they have already swallowed that the PU 2026 will have an overly simplified internal combustion engine, losing many of the tools that make the current 6-cylinder turbos sophisticated), this time they would have decided to bang their fists on the table. Ferrari is not signing, while Renault is ready to do so and Porsche and Honda who have expressed interest have been invited to take a position, except buy time and express the idea of ​​entering F1 starting from 2027, the second year of the new regulation. How will FIA and FOM behave? The Scuderia's setbacks go beyond a few disagreements and, after the experience in the first report of the 2021 budget cap, with Red Bull having exceeded the spending constraints, it wants precise guarantees of fairness, without being faced with surprises. At this point it will be interesting to find out how what promises to be a real tug of war will end.

[Liscia]

...or time to LEAVE F1 and the signers to their own devious devices? Fairness and parity are all that should be engendered
and enforced as Ferrari has nothing left to prove in this formula, abandoning it to all and sundry dishonorable participating garagisti.

[WS6TransAm01]

Anyone ready for women in F1?

An F1 Academy for women starts in 2023.

Why? Do the pit stalls need to be vacuumed?

ITS A JOKE! RELAX!

[FerrariF60]

Why? Do the pit stalls need to be vacuumed?

ITS A JOKE! RELAX!

I know I’m gonna be criticized but I’m with you on this one

[Brembo]

If not for women there'd be no men! Charles; Carlos, Max ; Perez , spite work would not exist with the likes of a Danica Patrick as a team mate. She would punch either one in the face!! :rotfl

[nani_s23]

Mattia Binotto is leaving Ferrari. The official confirmation is just a matter of time.

@Corriere

[nani_s23]

More on Binotto:

He is leaving due to a lack of trust from President John Elkann, with whom the relationship has been cold for a while.

The news came from sources linked to Charles Leclerc’s entourage.

Fred Vasseur is the only realistic candidate, due to Seidl saying no.

[nani_s23]

More on Binotto:

He is leaving due to a lack of trust from President John Elkann, with whom the relationship has been cold for a while.

The news came from sources linked to Charles Leclerc’s entourage.

Fred Vasseur is the only realistic candidate, due to Seidl saying no.

[brucewayne]

Not good. Seidl would have been a good addition, but we lack leadership and vision from the upper management. Plus we are already on the back foot for 2023.

[paneristi]

https://twitter.com/fanaticsferrari/status/1596089555417174016?s=61&t=wf6B_-CLVD5h1I-HWaN9kQ

[ferrari1.8t]

Mattia Binotto is leaving Ferrari. The official confirmation is just a matter of time.

@Corriere

Another TP, more instability at Ferrari in the middle of a rule cycle. I didn’t agree with how Binotto handled a lot of situations but I believe he should stay with Ferrari in some capacity.

How long until he ends up at Mercedes?

[JPZ]

If Binotto is leaving Ferrari, this is worrying news.

[JPZ]

Another TP, more instability at Ferrari in the middle of a rule cycle. I didn’t agree with how Binotto handled a lot of situations but I believe he should stay with Ferrari in some capacity.

How long until he ends up at Mercedes?

Agreed.

[Forzi]

Another TP, more instability at Ferrari in the middle of a rule cycle. I didn’t agree with how Binotto handled a lot of situations but I believe he should stay with Ferrari in some capacity.

How long until he ends up at Mercedes?

It seemingly looked like a case of either he stays and he doesn't do the changes needed to improve (changes in the strategy and race operations departments with some people being sacked), or he leaves. That's at least the view i get with his stream of comments that nothing needs changing.

I'd argue that the team is capable of keeping what they got from Mattia and improving even more with the very well needed changes happening. The season has been littered with mistakes that are well beyond the the lines of "we have to learn from it".

[nani_s23]

Another TP, more instability at Ferrari in the middle of a rule cycle. I didn’t agree with how Binotto handled a lot of situations but I believe he should stay with Ferrari in some capacity.

How long until he ends up at Mercedes?

I assume he might go to AM. But yeah sad news.

First of all I regret him being a TP, but he’s a good technical engineer.

Sources say, he kept the resignation. It’s a huge blow going into next season.

[nani_s23]

Charles available only till 2024, want to win championship, gave away 2 years for 2022, might have promised better results. All these factors might have come into the play.

[h3ro]

To lose someone who had been with the team nearly 3 decades is a shame.

[jgonzalesm6]

Since 1950, Ferrari has had 23 team principals now. This has been an on-going issue for a loooooong time already.

Who's next on the chopping block....Vasseur??

[nani_s23]

Sources say, he resigned for TP position. Whether he will continue with Ferrari as a technical chief not sure.

This is the clarity needed & waiting for official confirmation.

[SilverSpeed]

Another TP, more instability at Ferrari in the middle of a rule cycle. I didn’t agree with how Binotto handled a lot of situations but I believe he should stay with Ferrari in some capacity.

How long until he ends up at Mercedes?

my 2 cents too.

[nani_s23]

Ferrari CEO, Benedetto Vigna:

“I am not satisfied with second place. Second is the first of the losers.”

“I’m happy with the progress we’ve made, but I’m not happy with second. I think the team has what it takes to improve over time.”

[JPZ]

Binotto apparently at the meetings for work on Ferrari’s 2023 car today according to journalist Giuliano Duchessa.

[ferrari1.8t]

Binotto apparently at the meetings for work on Ferrari’s 2023 car today according to journalist Giuliano Duchessa.

Good, maybe he will be sticking around as an engineer and continue to develop the 2023 car.

[RossTheBoss]

Good, maybe he will be sticking around as an engineer and continue to develop the 2023 car.
Why? Binotto clearly stinks at developing a car throughout a season since 2017. I've seen no evidence he's any better than Pat Fry was.

[RossTheBoss]

Another TP, more instability at Ferrari in the middle of a rule cycle. I didn’t agree with how Binotto handled a lot of situations but I believe he should stay with Ferrari in some capacity.

How long until he ends up at Mercedes?
Mercedes wouldn't take Binotto if they were all drugs. They've seen his incompetency in full view and will want nothing to do with it. They have plenty of good leaders without getting in bed with an incompetent like him.

[Cheeseman]

Good! Binotto is a waste of space, he proved that. Let's hope he does end up at Mercedes, if they start going backwards we'll know they've been Binotto'd

[stefa]

Good! Binotto is a waste of space, he proved that. Let's hope he does end up at Mercedes, if they start going backwards we'll know they've been Binotto'd

Does Aldo Costa rings any bell?

[FerrariF60]

Does Aldo Costa rings any bell?

Exactly...all the good engineers Ferrari had, they went to Merc after being sacked

Binotto is a bad TP, but he’s a greAt engineer, it would be sad to see him go altogether

[Greig]

Mercedes wouldn't take Binotto if they were all drugs. They've seen his incompetency in full view and will want nothing to do with it. They have plenty of good leaders without getting in bed with an incompetent like him.

Mercedes who finished behind Binotto's incompetence? that Mercedes?

[jgonzalesm6]

Mercedes who finished behind Binotto's incompetence? that Mercedes?

Since the start of the turbo-hybrid era, it's been Mercedes 8 wins vs Ferrari 1 win between both of them.....yes that Mercedes. Mercedes got it wrong in 2022. You can be sure they will bounce back in 2023.

[Greig]

Since the start of the turbo-hybrid era, it's been Mercedes 8 wins vs Ferrari 1 win between both of them.....yes that Mercedes. Mercedes got it wrong in 2022. You can be sure they will bounce back in 2023.

That era is over.....get used to it.

[jgonzalesm6]

That era is over.....get used to it.

I'm sorry, who again is getting replaced as team principal? It's obvious the higher ups at Ferrari want change. Vigna is tired of not winning.

[Greig]

I'm sorry, who again is getting replaced as team principal? It's obvious the higher ups at Ferrari want change. Vigna is tired of not winning.

Toto will never be replaced right....even Todt got replaced whats your point?

[jgonzalesm6]

Toto will never be replaced right....even Todt got replaced whats your point?

Mercedes upper management are happy with Toto.

Ferrari on the other hand have a history of replacing their team principals and others whom often go to Mercedes to....."shine."

Being a team principal at Ferrari is like running a gaunlet.......Vasseur, if it's him, will be treading water.

[Greig]

Mercedes upper management are happy with Toto.

Ferrari on the other hand have a history of replacing their team principals and others whom often go to Mercedes to....."shine."

Being a team principal at Ferrari is like running a gaunlet.......Vasseur, if it's him, will be treading water.

See how long "happy" lasts when they are not winning.....

[FerrariF60]

Toto will never be replaced right....even Todt got replaced whats your point?

Todt did not get sacked, he retired I’m afraid

[jgonzalesm6]

See how long "happy" lasts when they are not winning.....

Like when Toto wasn't winning pre-turbo-hybrid era?

Or how bout Horner when he wasn't winning during the turbo-hybrid era from 2014 thru 2020?


Yeah, don't compare Mercedes and Redbull upper management with Ferrari upper management. Ferrari is quite different.....and not for the better.

[Greig]

Like when Toto wasn't winning pre-turbo-hybrid era?

Or how bout Horner when he wasn't winning during the turbo-hybrid era from 2014 thru 2020?


Yeah, don't compare Mercedes and Redbull upper management with Ferrari upper management. Ferrari is quite different.....and not for the better.

Brawn was there till end of 2013.....

Merc and Red Bull are more likely to just stop being in F1 once the winning dries up....

[Gilles]

Not unhappy to see that Ferrari will get rid of the liar Binotto, it destabilizes the team, but we can’t continue like this, there has already been too much waste, it is not possible to continue
As I already said, support against all logic, Sainz (development of the car in its favor, refusal to give Charles the status of first driver at the time it becomes necessary), support Rueda and Marcos (the latter is a real scourge) are serious mistakes towards Ferrari
Binotto had time to correct his mistakes, but he preferred to lie and do unfortunate analyses and even to say everything crazy
Ferrari does not belong to him and he will learn it
So I’d like to ask you Greg, who has me as well as other members, said that criticizing the team showed us that we weren’t fans of the team, that we should join a fan club of Charles: Greg, how do you feel, you who is authorized to tell us what we are, what we are not, you who has the monopoly of the liturgy of the fan and who allows you the right of anathema?
You point the finger like Binotto does, but Ferrari proves you wrong, don't you think?

Give the kid a TP

[brucewayne]

Not unhappy to see that Ferrari will get rid of the liar Binotto, it destabilizes the team, but we can’t continue like this, there has already been too much waste, it is not possible to continue
As I already said, support against all logic, Sainz (development of the car in its favor, refusal to give Charles the status of first driver at the time it becomes necessary), support Rueda and Marcos (the latter is a real scourge) are serious mistakes towards Ferrari
Binotto had time to correct his mistakes, but he preferred to lie and do unfortunate analyses and even to say everything crazy
Ferrari does not belong to him and he will learn it
So I’d like to ask Greg, who has me as well as other members, said that criticizing the team showed us that we weren’t fans of the team, that we should join a fan club of Charles: Greg, How do you feel, you who is authorized to tell us what we are, what we are not, you who has the monopoly of the liturgy of the fan and who allows you the right of anathema?
You point the finger like Binotto does, but Ferrari herself proves you wrong, don't you think?

Give the kid a TP

Imagine developing the car in favor of Sainz, only to see him get slapped by Charles in AD, despite having a fresher PU and the favorable strategy. What a catastrophic mistake, especially in times of a budget cap. And when we think about Monaco, Silverstone and Hungary, it's just not acceptable anymore.

[Greig]

Why do you care what I think so much? Ferrari does not belong to anyone not even Charles.

You are not the first ever "driver" of Ferrari fan.......

[Greig]

Imagine developing the car in favor of Sainz, only to see him get slapped by Charles in AD, despite having a fresher PU and the favorable strategy. What a catastrophic mistake, especially in times of a budget cap. And when we think about Monaco, Silverstone and Hungary, it's just not acceptable anymore.

Probably because they never developed the car for Sainz....

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/sainz-had-to-completely-change-f1-driving-style-to-get-on-top-of-2022-ferrari/10385902/

[brucewayne]

Probably because they never developed the car for Sainz....

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/sainz-had-to-completely-change-f1-driving-style-to-get-on-top-of-2022-ferrari/10385902/

The focus was to make Carlos more comfortable. Weirdly Charles was happy at the beginning of the year, later it was the other way around. But Ferrari always finds a way to regress during a season. Other teams find ways to improve the car according to the preferences of their No.1 driver. And the result is, RB did beat us and it was not even close. We nearly lost P2 to in the WDC and WCC. But it seems it finally sunk in. Lessons learned!

[tifosi1993]

People put way too much emphasis on individual abilities. Binotto isn't Newey, his departure isn't going to make any big difference. Cowell, Lowe, Costa none of these masterminds of Mercedes domination are in F1 right now. Their departure didn't make any major discrepancies.

Binotto is a terrible TP. His people skills are subpar and isn't as shrewd as Horner/Toto at playing the political game.

He was wagging his finer at Charles while always defending the Rueda circus. Hallmark of a terrible TP, as well as an ego maniac.

If he doesn't accept his demotion, then he should be kicked out of Ferrari. "Keep me as the TP or I'll leave" - show the door to this clown.

[Greig]

The focus was to make Carlos more comfortable. Weirdly Charles was happy at the beginning of the year, later it was the other way around. But Ferrari always finds a way to regress during a season. Other teams find ways to improve the car according to the preferences of their No.1 driver. And the result is, RB did beat us and it was not even close. We nearly lost P2 to in the WDC and WCC. But it seems it finally sunk in. Lessons learned!

No that was not the focus, you also make it sound like Red Bull were in the midfield at the start of the season....trying to create drama over nearly losing P2 is awesome tho, you were probably upset we never lost it just so you could moan about it :-D

[Greig]

People put way too much emphasis on individual abilities. Binotto isn't Newey, his departure isn't going to make any big difference. Cowell, Lowe, Costa none of these masterminds of Mercedes domination are in F1 right now. Their departure didn't make any major discrepancies.

Binotto is a terrible TP. His people skills are subpar and isn't as shrewd as Horner/Toto at playing the political game.

He was wagging his finer at Charles while always defended the Rueda circus. Hallmark of a terrible TP, as well as an ego maniac.

If he doesn't accept his demotion, then he should be kicked out of Ferrari. "Keep me as the TP or I'll leave" - show the door to this clown.

He has been at Ferrari for 30 years probably before you were born judging by your tantrums, they know his worth. How about you show some respect.

[tifosi1993]

The focus was to make Carlos more comfortable. Weirdly Charles was happy at the beginning of the year, later it was the other way around. But Ferrari always finds a way to regress during a season. Other teams find ways to improve the car according to the preferences of their No.1 driver. And the result is, RB did beat us and it was not even close. We nearly lost P2 to in the WDC and WCC. But it seems it finally sunk in. Lessons learned!

Charles also said the same in his interview. The car had a strong front end at the start but later developed into being more understeery.

And even making the car more understeery didn't "help" Sainz in the end. Still got thrashed and was fortunate enough to finish in P5, thanks to Hamilton's retirement at the last race.

[Greig]

Charles also said the same in his interview. The car had a strong front end at the start but later developed into being more understeery.

And even making the car more understeery didn't "help" Sainz in the end. Still got thrashed and was fortunate enough to finish in P5, thanks to Hamilton's retirement at the last race.

Ferrari decided to make the car like that or the TD was the reason.....big difference.

[tifosi1993]

He has been at Ferrari for 30 years probably before you were born judging by your tantrums, they know his worth. How about you show some respect.

Which again highlights Binotto's incompetence. Learned nothing from Jean Todt/Ross Brawn at how to manage a F1 team properly.

He's a good engineer and a terrible team principal. Initiated a civil war to get the TP job and doing a terrible job ever since. Binotto, as a team principal, will never get any respect from me.

[brucewayne]

Charles also said the same in his interview. The car had a strong front end at the start but later developed into being more understeery.

And even making the car more understeery didn't "help" Sainz in the end. Still got thrashed and was fortunate enough to finish in P5, thanks to Hamilton's retirement at the last race.

Exactly. Great drivers can live with a strong front end, average drivers not so much.

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari decided to make the car like that or the TD was the reason.....big difference.

There was no "TD39" floor at SPA, and after SPA. Ferrari introduced a floor modification in France and kept it till the end. In smooth tracks they were competitive, in bumpy tracks and high-altitude tracks, they were poor.

All the developments Ferrari brought this year have made the car balance more understeery. After Australia Charles was ahead by 46 points, any competent TP would've thrown in the gauntlet and made the car more of his liking.

And naturally, an oversteery car balance is always faster than an understeery balance.

[brucewayne]

No that was not the focus, you also make it sound like Red Bull were in the midfield at the start of the season....trying to create drama over nearly losing P2 is awesome tho, you were probably upset we never lost it just so you could moan about it :-D

Creating drama? Yeah, if you regress from having the best car to being slower in comparison to RB and Mercedes. If you are ok with regress, that's on you. You should support McLaren in this case. You don't seem to be too upset that we lost another developing battle during a season.

[tifosi1993]

Exactly. Great drivers can live with a strong front end, average drivers not so much.

Dealing with the oversteer has always been the hallmark of great drivers. They can throw the car around corners and deal with the snaps at the rear.

[Greig]

Creating drama? Yeah, if you regress from having the best car to being slower in comparison to RB and Mercedes. If you are ok with regress, that's on you. You should support McLaren in this case. You don't seem to be too upset that we lost another developing battle during a season.

Ah so Red Bull were not quick at the start of the season now? I am not upset at stopping developing this year to focus on next when the title was long gone, why would you not want us to focus on 2023 rather than develop for a meaningless battle for P2?

You seem to think instant success or nothing, clearly you are the one who should support the winning team.

[brucewayne]

Ah so Red Bull were not quick at the start of the season now? I am not upset at stopping developing this year to focus on next when the title was long gone, why would you not want us to focus on 2023 rather than develop for a meaningless battle for P2?

You seem to think instant success or nothing, clearly you are the one who should support the winning team.

I am supporting Ferrari since 1996, what are you talking about? Instant success? :lol

So you are ok to loose couple of tenths while developing? We were already miles away in Spa, and we didn't shift our focus to 2023 at this time. This should have been a fight for the title until the end of the year. We do have big problems in inseason developing since 2017. If we don't improve in this area, we won't win anything in the next years. If you want to focus on next years car at the middle of the year year in year out, you should support McLaren.

[brucewayne]

Dealing with the oversteer has always been the hallmark of great drivers. They can throw the car around corners and deal with the snaps at the rear.

It seems this info got lost with some people.

[Greig]

I am supporting Ferrari since 1996, what are you talking about? Instant success? :lol

So you are ok to loose couple of tenths while developing? We were already miles away in Spa, and we didn't shift our focus to 2023 at this time. This should have been a fight for the title until the end of the year. We do have big problems in inseason developing since 2017. If we don't improve in this area, we won't win anything in the next years. If you want to focus on next years car at the middle of the year year in year out, you should support McLaren.

Tech Directive mean anything to you? Engines not at full power register anything in that brain of yours? Ferrari's aim this year was to be competitive considering where we had been the years before, and that was done. It was never going to be a over night change of fortunes no matter how much you stamp your feet and demand it. Lucky for you starting in 96 just as it got good, you would probably have demanded Todt to be sacked before the team got to where they were going.....

You should support Merc already if in-season development is what does it for you.

Merc got closer to Ferrari and Red Bull, but end of day still ended up 3rd much to your disappointment. Maybe they can do better next year for you.

[brucewayne]

Tech Directive mean anything to you?

You should support Merc already if in-season development is what does it for you.

Merc got closer to Ferrari and Red Bull, but end of day still ended up 3rd much to your disappointment. Maybe they can do better next year for you.

I am disappointed that we didn't win the WCC and WDC, you seem to be disappointed that we didn't start to develop the car for 2023 earlier. As you don't seem to think in season development is important, you don't seem to care if Ferrari is winning a title in the future.

We already lost ground before the TD. I am not even mentioning our missing political power and catastrophic mistakes. 4/22 wins, you seem to be ok with that. Many great wins for Ferrari which we were not able to achieve.

[Greig]

Don't think we had really lost ground before Spa, Silverstone, Austria and France were good, Hungary a mess but our pace was not the issue there so not quite sure why you would be saying that other than to try and make stuff up as it suits your point? our development up to the TD was just fine. You seem to hinge your success on wins and only wins while I realise Ferrari were coming from way behind and it's very hard in F1 to go from miles behind to title winning.

Ferrari don't have devine right to win every season and they need to work for it just like the rest, I can see progress if you can't then so be it you won't change my mind.

[brucewayne]

Don't think we had really lost ground before Spa, Silverstone, Austria and France were good, Hungary a mess but our pace was not the issue there so not quite sure why you would be saying that other than to try and make stuff up as it suits your point? our development up to the TD was just fine. You seem to hinge your success on wins and only wins while I realise Ferrari were coming from way behind and it's very hard in F1 to go from miles behind to title winning.

Ferrari don't have devine right to win every season and they need to work for it just like the rest, I can see progress if you can't then so be it you won't change my mind.

With these excuses Ferrari won’t win anything, that’s for sure. I don’t see any progress in in-season development. Silverstone would have been a huge defeat if Max wouldn’t have a broken car. Austria was ok but more thanks to Charles. TDs always seem to affect Ferrari, not so much the other teams. All developments made the car more understeery. But hey, Sainz was more comfortable. Great achievement. Only to finish 16 seconds behind his teammate.

[Greig]

With these excuses Ferrari won’t win anything, that’s for sure. I don’t see any progress in in-season development. Silverstone would have been a huge defeat if Max wouldn’t have a broken car. Austria was ok but more thanks to Charles. TDs always seem to affect Ferrari, not so much the other teams. All developments made the car more understeery. But hey, Sainz was more comfortable. Great achievement. Only to finish 16 seconds behind his teammate.

LOL and you say about excuses...we were not dropping behind before Spa no matter how much you try to make up "excuses". We were set for a 1-2 in Austria but yeah it was more thanks to Charles....really you are struggling there.....

What developments made the car have more understeer? oh yeah that was the tech directive not Ferrari's updates....and you again will say "excuses". Car lost it's front end after the TD everyone can see that apart from you maybe? After it was clear they would not recover it they switched to 2023 along with reduced engine, but you can claim it as excuses all you want, that's just the way it is.

Ferrari are said to have sacrificed nearly half a second by stopping developing early, that along with full engine power should see us right up there in 2023, but you can't see that far ahead I guess.

[brucewayne]

LOL and you say about excuses...we were not dropping behind before Spa no matter how much you try to make up "excuses".

What developments made the car have more understeer? oh yeah that was the tech directive not Ferrari's updates....and you again will say "excuses". Car lost it's front end after the TD everyone can see that apart from you maybe? After it was clear they would not recover it they switched to 2023 along with reduced engine, but you can claim it as excuses all you want, that's just the way it is.

We changed the floor in France. And since then the car understeered. So at the end it’s a matter of development. You can deny this fact all day, it won’t change. We lost the development fight again, don’t fool yourself. Hopefully there won’t be any excuses in Maranello about this.

[Greig]

We changed the floor in France. And since then the car understeered. So at the end it’s a matter of development. You can deny this fact all day, it won’t change. We lost the development fight again, don’t fool yourself. Hopefully there won’t be any excuses in Maranello about this.

Fact because you said so without any facts to back it up haha good post :-D

Amazing that stopping developing the car would see you lose time to others around you, until we stopped developing we were not losing the development race at all, what will be your next excuse?

[Greig]

Seen some rumours in Italian media that Brawn is in the running to replace Binotto.

[WS6TransAm01]

Seen some rumours in Italian media that Brawn is in the running to replace Binotto.

Well that would be spectacular but I won’t hold my breath.

[Gilles]

Seen some rumours in Italian media that Brawn is in the running to replace Binotto.

Binotto must have a forum with all his real fans
You could go there

[Greig]

So I’d like to ask you Greg, who has me as well as other members, said that criticizing the team showed us that we weren’t fans of the team, that we should join a fan club of Charles: Greg, how do you feel, you who is authorized to tell us what we are, what we are not, you who has the monopoly of the liturgy of the fan and who allows you the right of anathema?




Binotto must have a forum with all his real fans
You could go there

Who authorized you?

:lol

[Gilles]

Why do you care what I think so much? Ferrari does not belong to anyone not even Charles.

You are not the first ever "driver" of Ferrari fan.......

So just think and keep your anathemes to yourself
We don’t come to this forum to be pointed out by a schoolmaster
There must be forums for people in need of authority

[Greig]

So just think and keep your anathemes to yourself
We don’t come to this forum to be pointed out by a schoolmaster
There must be forums for people in need of authority


Binotto must have a forum with all his real fans
You could go there

:lol

[Gilles]

No messages have been erased, don't be a liar.

I lost them for a while, don't know why, use some words with a bit of reserve please
But, where is my last post, the one saying that (i lost it too now):
"I love the way you erase my messages!
Obviously you do what you want on this forum
I don’t know how the members support this kind Binotto's management, but for on my side, it tires me seriously"

[brucewayne]

Fact because you said so without any facts to back it up haha good post :-D

Amazing that stopping developing the car would see you lose time to others around you, until we stopped developing we were not losing the development race at all, what will be your next excuse?

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. But whatever makes you sleep better. So according to you, we didn't loose the development race at all, but nevertheless still stoped developing the car. You are on to something, we should encourage other teams to stop developing their cars too.:lol:lol:lol

You aren't even addressing the change in balancing after France, shows me everything I need to know about you. Even Ferrari admited that they had problems since they updated the floor. But we weren't loosing the development race right? Pathetic, but not a surprise.

You seem to be happy that Ferrari doesn't win.

[Greig]

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. But whatever makes you sleep better. So according to you, we didn't loose the development race at all, but nevertheless still stoped developing the car. You are on to something, we should encourage other teams to stop developing their cars too.:lol:lol:lol

You aren't even addressing the change in balancing after France, shows me everything I need to know about you. Even Ferrari admited that they had problems since they updated the floor. But we weren't loosing the development race right? Pathetic, but not a surprise.

You seem to be happy that Ferrari doesn't win.

I am not the one claiming we lost ground before Spa as we never. Spa and beyond which is when we pretty much stopped developing so off course would lose out to those who did not stop developing, not sure why you find this hard to understand at all? Merc also gained on Red Bull you know so what development race was going on???? only Merc kept going for obvious reasons, so I am failing to see your point at all to be honest. We were not falling behind until TD and we decided it was a lost cause and switched to 2023 if you can't see that then I don't really care.

The floor in France did not change the car to suit Sainz is my point, you seem to think otherwise for some made up reason, probably just so you can whine about the team for something they never done. Ferrari rarely win titles, I am pretty used to it maybe you will get there sometime as well but until then you can rage about it on the internet but it really won't change anything. :-D

You seem to hate everything about Ferrari.

[Gilles]

You seem to hate everything about Ferrari.

Why do you always fight like that?
I really don’t understand the reason
Can’t we talk without aggression?

[Greig]

Why do you always fight like that?
I really don’t understand the reason
Can’t we talk without aggression?

Ah so you don't read what others write, just me. So today I have been told to support McLaren, then you told me to join a Binotto forum. But you want to talk without aggression now?

So what you want it to be?

[Gilles]

Imagine developing the car in favor of Sainz, only to see him get slapped by Charles in AD, despite having a fresher PU and the favorable strategy. What a catastrophic mistake, especially in times of a budget cap. And when we think about Monaco, Silverstone and Hungary, it's just not acceptable anymore.

I read that Sainz sr is pleased that the 2023 car would be better suited to his son: Are we going to have a posthumous "gift" from Binotto?

[Greig]

I read that Sainz sr is pleased that the 2023 car would be better suited to his son: Are we going to have a posthumous "gift" from Binotto?

If it suits Sainz and wins the titles then nobody will care.

[Gilles]

Ah so you don't read what others write, just me. So today I have been told to support McLaren, then you told me to join a Binotto forum. But you want to talk without aggression now?

So what you want it to be?

No, I read everyone
And I find you incomprehensibly "nervous" for some time already

[Greig]

No, I read everyone
And I find you incomprehensibly "nervous" for some time already

You asked for me to talk to you, you wanted my response. You then told me to join a Binotto forum.

Now you turn it around to me, stop being obsessed with me.

[SS454]

Ferrari was capable of winning races up to Austria. In France and Hungary, they car was no longer as competitive. Then TD39 kicked in at Spa and Ferrari lost ground for sure relative to RBR and Mercedes. Mercedes in particularly continued some successful development while Ferrari did not. Since the season didn't stop at Spa, it is a fact that Ferrari lost the development race.

[Gilles]

If it suits Sainz and wins the titles then nobody will care.

Do you really think we can be superior enough to allow Sainz to win?
Do you really think that with a car he would beat Charles?
And if it happened anyway, do you think everyone would be fooled?

[SS454]

I read that Sainz sr is pleased that the 2023 car would be better suited to his son: Are we going to have a posthumous "gift" from Binotto?

I think that's a bad idea by Ferrari if it's true. Design the car for Charles and hopefully incorporate a setup window big enough that makes the car comfortable to Sainz.

Red Bull have done this with Max, Ferrari did it with Schumacher. Those were big successes. Who knows, maybe it will suit both drivers, but judging from the 2022 season, Leclerc was most competitive with the SF75 when the car was acting in a way that didn't quite suit Sainz.

[Greig]

Ferrari was capable of winning races up to Austria. In France and Hungary, they car was no longer as competitive. Then TD39 kicked in at Spa and Ferrari lost ground for sure relative to RBR and Mercedes. Mercedes in particularly continued some successful development while Ferrari did not. Since the season didn't stop at Spa, it is a fact that Ferrari lost the development race.

Lost by choice is very different though as I have said, as for not being competitive in France and Hungary I could quote your own words from those post race threads you do, perhaps you could refresh your memory :-)

[Greig]

Do you really think we can be superior enough to allow Sainz to win?
Do you really think that with a car he would beat Charles?
And if it happened anyway, do you think everyone would be fooled?

Nico won a title against Lewis, it happens.

[Gilles]

I think that's a bad idea by Ferrari if it's true. Design the car for Charles and hopefully incorporate a setup window big enough that makes the car comfortable to Sainz.

Red Bull have done this with Max, Ferrari did it with Schumacher. Those were big successes. Who knows, maybe it will suit both drivers, but judging from the 2022 season, Leclerc was most competitive with the SF75 when the car was acting in a way that didn't quite suit Sainz.

I think like you

[SS454]

Lost by choice is very different though as I have said, as for not being competitive in France and Hungary I could quote your own words from those post race threads you do, perhaps you could refresh your memory :-)

That's true about France. I somehow managed to forget Leclerc putting it in the wall while in the lead. Hungary the car wasn't as competitive as they had been though. If Ferrari was as good as developing as the other teams, they there is no excuse why they could barely keep pace with Mercedes who was 1.5 seconds slower than them early in the season.

Lost by "choice", or ran out of money, or didn't have the skill, it does not matter. By season's end, Ferrari did not develop their car as well as Mercedes, and perhaps not as good as Red Bull, but that's questionable since the TD39 played in their hands.

[Brembo]

I read that Sainz sr is pleased that the 2023 car would be better suited to his son: Are we going to have a posthumous "gift" from Binotto?

Binotto owes Carlos big time! He did everything he could get away with; trying to get Carlos out and Mick in his seat. Mick costing millions $$ in damage to his Haas car proved not ready for Ferrari. Maybe Carlos will race with the best car Ferrari can do up for him as is and was the case with Charles. Ferrari has two of the best drivers in F-1 . Let them compete; and during each race make the calls as to who should move over if needed. That's how Charles got picked over Seb at the end. They let Charles race!!!

[Greig]

Italian source today stating Binotto has tendered his resignation but Elkan is stalling for time, also stating Binotto and Elkan see things very differently and Elkan stopped Todt coming back to Ferrari and stopped Binotto breaching the budget etc.

Maybe Binotto is the least of our worrys......

[guro]

It is currently buzzing with rumours when it comes to the role of team boss at Ferrari. Now it is the Italian newspaper La Stampa that manages to report that even Ross Brawn is said to be on the shortlist.
It seems a matter of time before the announcement follows that Mattia Binotto is leaving Ferrari. Although the team denied prior to the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix that the team boss would be leaving the team early, several (Italian) media outlets know that Binotto will be leaving.

[paneristi]

It is currently buzzing with rumours when it comes to the role of team boss at Ferrari. Now it is the Italian newspaper La Stampa that manages to report that even Ross Brawn is said to be on the shortlist.
It seems a matter of time before the announcement follows that Mattia Binotto is leaving Ferrari. Although the team denied prior to the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix that the team boss would be leaving the team early, several (Italian) media outlets know that Binotto will be leaving.

https://twitter.com/motorsportweek/status/1597167145128951808?s=46&t=V9VysSKf0YynyxW2qvgXLg

[Nick Singer]

The focus was to make Carlos more comfortable. Weirdly Charles was happy at the beginning of the year, later it was the other way around. But Ferrari always finds a way to regress during a season. Other teams find ways to improve the car according to the preferences of their No.1 driver. And the result is, RB did beat us and it was not even close. We nearly lost P2 to in the WDC and WCC. But it seems it finally sunk in. Lessons learned!

I endorse that sentiment!

[paneristi]

Binotto owes Carlos big time! He did everything he could get away with; trying to get Carlos out and Mick in his seat. Mick costing millions $$ in damage to his Haas car proved not ready for Ferrari. Maybe Carlos will race with the best car Ferrari can do up for him as is and was the case with Charles. Ferrari has two of the best drivers in F-1 . Let them compete; and during each race make the calls as to who should move over if needed. That's how Charles got picked over Seb at the end. They let Charles race!!!

Agree. Let them compete. I believe we should root for Ferrari winning, be it driver A or B. As long as it is scarlet cars. It's the team that matters.

[paneristi]

https://twitter.com/motorsportweek/status/1597167145128951808?s=46&t=V9VysSKf0YynyxW2qvgXLg

but at the same time https://www.grandprix247.com/2022/11/28/brawn-my-time-with-formula-1-is-coming-to-an-end/
enjoy your retirement, Ross

[stefa]

https://twitter.com/motorsportweek/status/1597167145128951808?s=46&t=V9VysSKf0YynyxW2qvgXLg


If this has just 1% of truth, I pray for it!

[JacKy]

We need a boss not an engineer as TP.

Not sure if Vasseur has it.

I am even ok with Briatore.

[racingbradley]

If this has just 1% of truth, I pray for it!

Would'nt we all
Alas he has denied it saying that he will watch from his sofa.:-s

[racingbradley]

We need a boss not an engineer as TP.

Not sure if Vasseur has it.

I am even ok with Briatore.

Not sure about Vasseur either. His CV doesn't sound good but if he can delegate with the right people around him who knows??? :pray

[JPZ]

If Binotto remains and this is all speculation, it has been one serious media hit job on him.

[JacKy]

If Binotto remains and this is all speculation, it has been one serious media hit job on him.

This kind of news usually comes out true in the end.

I think We are done with Binotto as TP , Idk if there is a way to keep him as engineer. Very unlikely

[WS6TransAm01]

We need a boss not an engineer as TP.

Not sure if Vasseur has it.

I am even ok with Briatore.

One thing we know, Briatore will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to win.

[Greig]

This kind of news usually comes out true in the end.

I think We are done with Binotto as TP , Idk if there is a way to keep him as engineer. Very unlikely

Read today he has already been offered a job by 4 teams, they said Alpine and Aston Martin are among them. Who knows how true it is.

[brucewayne]

That's true about France. I somehow managed to forget Leclerc putting it in the wall while in the lead. Hungary the car wasn't as competitive as they had been though. If Ferrari was as good as developing as the other teams, they there is no excuse why they could barely keep pace with Mercedes who was 1.5 seconds slower than them early in the season.

Lost by "choice", or ran out of money, or didn't have the skill, it does not matter. By season's end, Ferrari did not develop their car as well as Mercedes, and perhaps not as good as Red Bull, but that's questionable since the TD39 played in their hands.

It seems Ferrari always looses by choice. It's not the case obviously.

[brucewayne]

Binotto owes Carlos big time! He did everything he could get away with; trying to get Carlos out and Mick in his seat. Mick costing millions $$ in damage to his Haas car proved not ready for Ferrari. Maybe Carlos will race with the best car Ferrari can do up for him as is and was the case with Charles. Ferrari has two of the best drivers in F-1 . Let them compete; and during each race make the calls as to who should move over if needed. That's how Charles got picked over Seb at the end. They let Charles race!!!

Sainz won’t win anything, even his only win was a gift by Ferrari strategists. I really can’t believe how naive some fans are.

[ferrari1.8t]

Rumor is that Binotto resigned and we don’t have a replacement yet…no one wants the job it seems. Imagine firing your TP without having a replacement lined up. What a Ferrari thing to do…

Is everyone ready for a few more years of instability, losses and embarrassment?

Supposedly 4 teams have reached out to Binotto….let’s see how this all plays out.

[ferrari1.8t]

https://twitter.com/fanaticsferrari/status/1597285697307570176?s=21

[ferrari1.8t]

Disaster….

Binotto's departure from Ferrari could result in several senior technicians and engineers leaving.

His exit could result in significant restructuring within the team.

https://twitter.com/formularacers_/status/1597299586233958400?s=12

[brucewayne]

Rumor is that Binotto resigned and we don’t have a replacement yet…no one wants the job it seems. Imagine firing your TP without having a replacement lined up. What a Ferrari thing to do…

Is everyone ready for a few more years of instability, losses and embarrassment?

Supposedly 4 teams have reached out to Binotto….let’s see how this all plays out.

I am ready for accountability and growth. Steping down or getting fired, there is a big difference.

[JPZ]

https://twitter.com/fanaticsferrari/status/1597285697307570176?s=21

If true, complete train wreck.

So many questions:

Why would the management have blocked Todt coming back...?

Why would the Ferrari team be on Binotto's side till the last race and suddenly not?

What are the differences in vision between Binotto and Elkann? And if there was, Binotto would have to follow what his boss said anyway.

Why did Binotto 'suddenly' want to resign if everything was good till the last race?

What has really been going on behind the scenes here?

[JPZ]

Disaster….

Binotto's departure from Ferrari could result in several senior technicians and engineers leaving.

His exit could result in significant restructuring within the team.

https://twitter.com/formularacers_/status/1597299586233958400?s=12

If true, even worse train wreck.

[JPZ]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1597274096160903168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1597274096160903168%7Ctwgr% 5E58a6ea66b4a08752865cf74ba88a3a8bd9123534%7Ctwcon %5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fque ry%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FFanaticsFerrari2Fstat us2F1597274096160903168widget%3DTweet

Apparently even approached Horner.

[Tony]

Italian source today stating Binotto has tendered his resignation but Elkan is stalling for time, also stating Binotto and Elkan see things very differently and Elkan stopped Todt coming back to Ferrari and stopped Binotto breaching the budget etc.

Maybe Binotto is the least of our worrys......

This is what worries me the most...

[JacKy]

Just Do whatever it takes to convince Ross Brawn to put the team under his full control.

Otherwise this mess gonna get worse and worse.

[stefa]

If half of all these stories are true, we are going to be fudget for the great period of time...

[ferrari1.8t]

If half of all these stories are true, we are going to be fudget for the great period of time...

When there is smoke there is always fire. Ferrari is constantly in shambles, so upsetting.

[totox]

Just Do whatever it takes to convince Ross Brawn to put the team under his full control.

Otherwise this mess gonna get worse and worse.

The guy announced his retirement of the sport today :roll

[JacKy]

The guy announced his retirement of the sport today :roll

I dont care. Get him now :-)

[stefa]

If half of all these stories are true, we are going to be fudget for the great period of time...

This sums it pretty nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhBHL3v4d3I

[SS454]

If true, complete train wreck.

So many questions:

Why would the management have blocked Todt coming back...?

Why would the Ferrari team be on Binotto's side till the last race and suddenly not?

What are the differences in vision between Binotto and Elkann? And if there was, Binotto would have to follow what his boss said anyway.

Why did Binotto 'suddenly' want to resign if everything was good till the last race?

What has really been going on behind the scenes here?

I've seen several examples of how Ferrari like to fake it for the people. They take no responsibility or accountability for any of their mistakes. They hand cuff and gag anyone from saying anything negative about the team because they want a false image of perfection. Binotto all year claiming Ferrari is in great shape when the world was watching Ferrari burn itself to the ground. How about when Binotto gave Leclerc a stern finger wag. Sure seemed like he was telling him to not bad mouth the team to me, but then claimed it was nothing afterwards.

If Binotto wanted to resign, I'd say it could be because he was tired of taking all the bullets for his upper management making bad decisions, or preventing him from making changes.

Ferrari suddenly wanting to fire him. Well most people want his head on a stick since somebody has to be a scapegoat.

I hadn't heard Todt got blocked, but maybe its some ego/pride thing? Or maybe it's personal for things Todt did or didn't do while with the FIA.

[ferrari1.8t]

The entire Juventus board just resigned…including Agnelli and Arrivabene. Arrivabene making a Ferrari comeback? lol

[brucewayne]

The entire Juventus board just resigned…including Agnelli and Arrivabene. Arrivabene making a Ferrari comeback? lol

No success with Ferrari and Juventus. We need someone like Horner or Toto.

[jgonzalesm6]

Seen some rumours in Italian media that Brawn is in the running to replace Binotto.


Read today he has already been offered a job by 4 teams, they said Alpine and Aston Martin are among them. Who knows how true it is.


The entire Juventus board just resigned…including Agnelli and Arrivabene. Arrivabene making a Ferrari comeback? lol

The length that some of these so called rumors go to.......is laughable.

[JPZ]

Mick Shumacher confirmed as a reserve driver for Mercedes 2024...

[tifosi1993]

Binotto had enough time to build up the team. He had all the support.

Instead, he kept on doing the same thing over and over. Blamed the car, the drivers and everything else while rigorously defended the hapless strategy team. Had he made the necessary changes, by kicking Rueda and his entire circus out of Ferrari, the team would've been in a great position.

I really really hope his replacement isn't going to be another company man. I want someone from the outside, a non Italian, to lead this team. If it's Ross Brawn, then Christmas has come early.

[paneristi]

Binotto had enough time to build up the team. He had all the support.

Instead, he kept on doing the same thing over and over. Blamed the car, the drivers and everything else while rigorously defended the hapless strategy team. Had he made the necessary changes, by kicking Rueda and his entire circus out of Ferrari, the team would've been in a great position.

I really really hope his replacement isn't going to be another company man. I want someone from the outside, a non Italian, to lead this team. If it's Ross Brawn, then Christmas has come early.

You can tell
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.he-pushed-us-to-develop-grey-areas-binotto-on-the-pressure-of-working-for.5OFKeLCArTRdjlaxMhrPPh.html

[totox]

It's official. Now let's remember this few wins this year, they will be the last ones in many many years...

[Michelc30]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-ferrari-confirm-mattia-binotto-has-resigned-as-team-principal.2FYOT8KZyrfOulHUDG87aF.html

Binotto official resign