2012 Canadian Grand Prix - Race thread

[Suzie]

2 points behind leader, could be better, could be much worse. This kind of mistake you make once in a season, better now than in Brazil.
Our strategy generally is quite good and cars pace seems to become better every race, no need to panic over one mistake.

Agreed. Naturally 5th and 10th isn't the result I was expecting going into the weekend, but it's a lesson learnt I suppose, and sadly Hamilton's record around Canada meant that he was a big favourite for victory here today.

[sav_pap]

Mate we are still coming second in the championship.
Still love Ferrari win or lose. Get over it love to watch you run a bloody pit wall.

Will you say the same if nando loose the WDC by 2 points????

[Ste]

I'm glad at least some of us remain happy with the result and optimistic.

From Alonso:

Hi! Race was veryyy long today.. ;))! Another good day for the championship!! 10 points more, and with these ones, scoring an entire year!!

[SanderV]

You could say this was our first really disappointing result of the season. Alonso is still second in the championship. We've come a long long way since Melbourne and Alonso is in the WDC fight.

[Corey]

For god's sake... Yes, in the end, it was a bad decision. But you can't get it alway right, can you? There was a chance it would work out, they are not dumb. And once again, there was no chance of winning the race if we pitted twice. Lewis was way too quick and if you didn't see that, I am sorry for you.

You know what at one stage there was a chance. That botched stop left Lewis 15.2 seconds behind us when he came out. We could've easily pitted, came out and retain the lead. Yes, that McLaren probably was the quicker car, but take into account that his tyres are only 1 lap older than ours. If Alonso could keep him behind and keep his tyre temperatures up then there really was a REAL chance to win.

[Greig]

For god's sake... Yes, in the end, it was a bad decision. But you can't get it alway right, can you? There was a chance it would work out, they are not dumb. And once again, there was no chance of winning the race if we pitted twice. Lewis was way too quick and if you didn't see that, I am sorry for you.

I could see from live timing that Felipe's times were dropping, he was a clear indication that we could not win the race with a 1 stop I assume the team had even better data available, there was no chance it would work, when Lewis made his 2nd stop Alonso had a 15 second lead, same amount of time needed to pit, so yes there was a chance to win with 2 stops if you can't see that then you are just being blind for some reason. Lewis was quick but not pitting gave Alonso no chance to fight for the win, sorry you can't accept that.

[Grillo]

I know they're the same for everyone but I hate that the tires are so unpredictable. I guess this has been new info to understand them for future races.

[Agron]

I [edited - TSN Mod] love this year's tires, there's excitement and huge changes even in the last few laps, the correct decision can cost lots of places or even gift you the win. This year is awesome.
That being said, as an Alonso fan who cares a lot about Ferrari, I was really gutted today, but the race, compared with the borefests we had before Pirelli came to the sport, was enormous.

Ferrari made a huge mistake. There's nothing wrong admitting that. It was an amateur mistake.

Just because you support a team doesn't mean you ignore all its shortcoming.

In fact, Ferrari need to take a hard look at what happened today and learn from it. If we all bury our heads each time something like this happens, we're never going to improve. I'm sure Ferrari will be looking into it rather than brushing it off.

Top comment. Championships are won by minimizing risks and problems (and a good car, driver and team), they tried to risk it and got burned. Still, they have more info than us. They have more info than us, but the tires this year are still big unknowns even this late in the season, and of course it could just be a human mistake. On the other hand, they are paid handsomely to not make mistakes and make proper judgements in split seconds, so today they probably didn't make their best job.

[vae32]

They stuff the strategy again, that f2012 is so much faster than macleren, another win down the drain again, Alonso would have been able to beat lewis today 100%.This is sadly another miss opportunity for Alonso to extent his lead. What were they thinking, Alonso would have been able to fight off Lewis for the win for sure.Ahhh im of to bed, this trying to save the tyres race sucks.

[qb_marukochan]

I'm glad at least some of us remain happy with the result and optimistic.

From Alonso:

Hi! Race was veryyy long today.. ;))! Another good day for the championship!! 10 points more, and with these ones, scoring an entire year!!

i love it :)

he already knew about the gamble. and not to regret it. lol , maybe some of us waiting fernando tweet "brainless strat" lol.

[Rob]

And end of day, Fernando feels how the car feels. He would be saying pit or not to pit aswell. He knows how the tyres should last, it isnt just the pitwall to call. So no point callling all them "idiots" the door swings bothways, always remember that!!!!

[Kyss4k]

Will you say the same if nando loose the WDC by 2 points????

Based on your comments, I guess you are perfect and you are not making mistakes. Good for you then. But why are you a Ferrari fan? They are not gods as you clearly are...

[wacc]

There was every chance of the win had we pitted, Lewis might have had a problem, the race as not 4 laps shorter it's not a valid if to make. I am not crying in the slightest, nor am I throwing any crap at the team, it was the wrong decision and I bet they will admit it themselves.

Yeah, now it is clear it was a bad decision, but it wasnt so apparent at the time the decision was taken. So why do people say there are brainless people sitting at the pit wall. I dont get it.

[sav_pap]

This, this 1000x this.

Also i guess the tyre people were BSing. They said you could do a race distance on the softs. Remember, a decision is only as good as its information.
And also, the tyres went off pretty unpredictbly.

Some people paid to eliminate the unpredictable... that's the meaning of testing etc...

[Stormsearcher]

lewis will not finish the race.remember this

lol.. so much for predictions. Blighter went on to win it.

[Ste]

Via Jason.

#F1 Fernando said on TV that they had 2 options, cover Hamilton and finish second, or cover Vettel (closest rival on the championship) and go for the win, they took the gamble and it didn't pay off, but he said he was happy because the aimed for the win.

[REDARMYSOJA]

The moral of this story is, these tires can't be trusted.

[Greig]

Yeah, now it is clear it was a bad decision, but it wasnt so apparent at the time the decision was taken. So why do people say there are brainless people sitting at the pit wall. I dont get it.

It was clear Felipe's tyres were going off fast though.

[Nova]

Wow..what a finish...totally bad call...appears we went for it all and lost sight of the wdc. I guess theres nothing wrong w/that. Cept we lost.
But knowing these tires and when they go off, they are off...I wouldntve tried it. I thought we shouldve pitted around Lewis's stop,
mabey a few after that. B4 the 1st stops we were hanging in there good. Even closing towards the end of the stint.
I guess its better to try something like this now instead of later in the season. If we lose the wdc by 3 points, well..
Its good to see the car is able to fight for the positions, it aint there yet, but we are moving in the right direction.

And I have to agree with Hornets last post here..this was a bad call, amateur..which I find hard to swallow coming from my team.
A few notes, they arent idiots..no one needs sacked, and no one needs to tell us we are pathetic for voicing opinions.
Man, it was a bad call, plain n simple. Lets move on. I aint gonna even talk about this no mo. As long as they dont do it again...

I bet a fiver Luca kicked in the TV....again....

[Stormsearcher]

I know they're the same for everyone but I hate that the tires are so unpredictable. I guess this has been new info to understand them for future races.

Yes. These pirellis suck!

[Agron]

They stuff the strategy again, that f2012 is so much faster than macleren, another win down the drain again, Alonso would have been able to beat lewis today 100%.This is sadly another miss opportunity for Alonso to extent his lead. What were they thinking, Alonso would have been able to fight off Lewis for the win for sure.Ahhh im of to bed, this trying to save the tyres race sucks.

So much faster? I didn't see that so much fasterness to be honest.

[wacc]

I could see from live timing that Felipe's times were dropping, he was a clear indication that we could not win the race with a 1 stop I assume the team had even better data available, there was no chance it would work, when Lewis made his 2nd stop Alonso had a 15 second lead, same amount of time needed to pit, so yes there was a chance to win with 2 stops if you can't see that then you are just being blind for some reason. Lewis was quick but not pitting gave Alonso no chance to fight for the win, sorry you can't accept that.

Even if Fernando jumped Lewis in the pits, Lewis would overtake him at the DRS zone just like at the time of the first pit stop and then pulled away.

[Ferrarichamp]

why take a risk when you're leading the championship and looking good for p2 in the race?

[Kyss4k]

I could see from live timing that Felipe's times were dropping, he was a clear indication that we could not win the race with a 1 stop I assume the team had even better data available, there was no chance it would work, when Lewis made his 2nd stop Alonso had a 15 second lead, same amount of time needed to pit, so yes there was a chance to win with 2 stops if you can't see that then you are just being blind for some reason. Lewis was quick but not pitting gave Alonso no chance to fight for the win, sorry you can't accept that.

Ok, so basicly what you are saying is, that Ferrari is full of dumb people, who are not able to read the data from even a live timing? Hmm... I thought I am fan of Ferrari not som Jamaica F1 team.

[Greig]

Even if Fernando jumped Lewis in the pits, Lewis would overtake him at the DRS zone just like at the time of the first pit stop and then pulled away.

Maybe, maybe not, but Alonso would have a chance to fight. And at least 2nd was safe if it never worked out.

[Nova]

I could see from live timing that Felipe's times were dropping, he was a clear indication that we could not win the race with a 1 stop I assume the team had even better data available, there was no chance it would work, when Lewis made his 2nd stop Alonso had a 15 second lead, same amount of time needed to pit, so yes there was a chance to win with 2 stops if you can't see that then you are just being blind for some reason. Lewis was quick but not pitting gave Alonso no chance to fight for the win, sorry you can't accept that.

Yep.

[Greig]

Ok, so basicly what you are saying is, that Ferrari is full of dumb people, who are not able to read the data from even a live timing? Hmm... I thought I am fan of Ferrari not som Jamaica F1 team.

Where did I say anyone was dumb? don't put words into my mouth please. I note you ignore the fact Alonso had time to make a stop and be out again right with Lewis and with a chance to fight for the win. Ferrari have done plenty of dumb things, most fans can accept that and speak about it.

[Agron]

The moral of this story is, these tires can't be trusted.

Man!

[sav_pap]

Based on your comments, I guess you are perfect and you are not making mistakes. Good for you then. But why are you a Ferrari fan? They are not gods as you clearly are...

It's not a mistake to do something which has 20% chances to happen . It's stupidity...
As for the God comments nothing to reply...
I can feel that you are more angry than me... so go and talk elsewhere....
If I was God I would be next to you now... you know why...

[Stormsearcher]

Via Jason.

#F1 Fernando said on TV that they had 2 options, cover Hamilton and finish second, or cover Vettel (closest rival on the championship) and go for the win, they took the gamble and it didn't pay off, but he said he was happy because the aimed for the win.

Reeks of "cover webber for the championship (2010)" while finger boy sneaks in. Anyways, one mistake. It had to come. Better now than later in the season. Bring on the european GP.