European GP 2010 Official Race Thread

[epiclyaddicted]

So next time there is a yellow flag or a safety car incident, Alonso and Massa should just show the middle finger and floor it, since the worst that can happen to them is a mere 5 second time penalty, or a drive-through that doesn't compromise their race in any way, shape or form. Absolutely disgraceful from the FIA! I thought, the safety car was called the "safety" car for a reason!

And if I remember correctly, at least over the last few seasons, once the safety car comes out of the pits, it lets everyone overtake until it picks up the race leader. So in this case, shouldn't the safety car have let everyone overtake (by flashing yellow and green lights) until they all go round and the race leader comes behind the SC again?

[Alessandra]

I think the point of irritation is that, as James Allen says, "Because it took the stewards quite a while to decide the penalty, this allowed a big enough gap to open up...... for Hamilton to get a penalty-free penalty." May be there should be a rule that if a driver has to serve a penalty drive thorough it has only been properly enacted if that driver loses at least 1 place as a result. If not he has to take another penalty drive-through. Immediately. And so on and so on..........
I'm sure this will be ammended for the future, rather like the finishing quali with enough fuel to reach the garage "rule" was reinfored after the race. But it's no good to our boys now.

When the hell are we going to get some luck?

[MS7XWDC]

nothing wrong with the rules. LH broke the rules & got the same 20 drive through MS got @ Monaco. MS got screwed by the rules today, too, dropping 16 or so spots. It happens.

Again, another 'Rules Clarification' is needed ..... but you can't expect the drivers to simply stop on the track to make their lap times increase:
Button:
"“I had the Safety Car line and the Safety Car warning from the team when I came around the (penultimate) corner of the lap, which is a full-speed corner - I went around that and then slowed down after that corner…the problem was that I was at the end of the lap, so I couldn't slow down [enough]”

[hogo]

Check this out



Just our two cars behind the SC. Cars behind got into the pits, Ham and Vettel through.

great picture, showing how stewards cut our cars from the rest

[Pipstar]

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/ru.../8683/fia.html
16.3 The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an Incident:
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping;
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds and then re-join the race.
c) a drop of any number of grid positions at the driver's next Event.
However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 20 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time of the driver concerned in the case of a) above and 30 seconds in the case of b).

So they're just making up rules as they go.

[TheProdigalSon]

So why am I on the wrong forum? as you stated, because you took offence at me praising clever thinking?

I wasn't offended but its nice to see you making up my mind for me. I was just confused as to why you were praising something at the expense of the team, and how is getting a penalty clever thinking. To be honest it was clumsy thinking but the FIA reacted so slowly that it didn't matter.

[Greig]

I wasn't offended but its nice to see you making up my mind for me. I was just confused as to why you were praising something at the expense of the team, and how is getting a penalty clever thinking. To be honest it was clumsy thinking but the FIA reacted so slowly that it didn't matter.

So why would it make me be on the wrong forum, you don't seem to have an answer, we were screwed no matter what Lewis did, so how was it at the expense of us?

[TheProdigalSon]

So why would it make me be on the wrong forum, you don't seem to have an answer, we were screwed no matter what Lewis did, so how was it at the expense of us?

Well because if lewis had not overtaken the safety car(or been penalised properly) we would have jumped him at the pits due to him changing his front wing, minimizing the points he would have scored in both drivers and contructors, plus we would be cutting into the lead he has built on the drivers champ.. do you get it now?

[Greig]

Well because if lewis had not overtaken the safety car(or been penalised properly) we would have jumped him at the pits due to him changing his front wing, minimizing the points he would have scored in both drivers and contructors, plus we would be cutting into the lead he has built on the drivers champ.. do you get it now?

Why would he not have overtaken it? he was in position to pass it easy, instead he tried to mess with Alonso, so either way we were screwed, do you get it now? had he got punished right then he would have looked stupid, but now it seems he got one over on Alonso today IMO, Alonso's reaction says it all, toys right out the pram, yet when he did it to MS at Hungary he thought it was ok.....see the problem I have is I don't just take the hardcore stance, sorry

Searching around for penalty's to keep us in it has never been my kind of thing, we should do a better job then the rest can worry about us

[TheProdigalSon]

Why would he not have overtaken it? he was in position to pass it easy, instead he tried to mess with Alonso, so either way we were screwed, do you get it now? had he got punished right then he would have looked stupid, but now it seems he got one over on Alonso today IMO, Alonso's reaction says it all, toys right out the pram, yet when he did it to MS at Hungary he thought it was ok.....see the problem I have is I don't just take the hardcore stance, sorry

You make no sense, and how you can blame this on Alonso is even more shocking

[Suzie]

If Fernando had pulled the same stunt on Lewis and gotten away with it, we'd all be laughing our heads off right now about how great he is getting one over on Hamilton. Can't have it both ways I'm afraid.

[Greig]

You make no sense, and how you can blame this on Alonso is even more shocking

I make no sense? You say what IF Lewis never overtook the SC, if you watch it again you will see Lewis would have passed it easily, he decided to time it and screw with Alonso, thus getting a penalty, your post makes no sense with a big IF, what IF Vettel never passed it either? Where did I blame it on Alonso out of interest?

[TheProdigalSon]

This is about the FIA, lewis is not clever enough to do that hence why he couldn't get passed the safety car in time...

[TheProdigalSon]

I make no sense? You say what IF Lewis never overtook the SC, if you watch it again you will see Lewis would have passed it easily, he decided to time it and screw with Alonso, thus getting a penalty, your post makes no sense with a big IF, what IF Vettel never passed it either? Where did I blame it on Alonso out of interest?

So your telling me he planned it, so he must have also known what type of penalty he would get and when meaning that the FIA is indeed working with mclaren right?

[DIEK]

New decoration for next race...

[tifoso SF]

if the rules don't include a 5s penalty, where the hell did that come from?? i mean, can't ferrari do something about this? appeal or something...

the new decoration would also be great.. :)

[DIEK]

Q: (Stephane Barbé – L’Equipe) Can you comment a little bit on this penalty with the safety car? Did you see the car coming out of the pits? Did you hesitate to overtake it?
LH: No, when I came down the straight, I was accelerating, I didn’t see the safety car coming out and then as I came round turn one, we know that obviously the safety car was out but I was able to push until the safety car two line, I think, and at that point I saw the safety car alongside me and I thought I was passed, so when I noticed it, he was already behind and so I continued.

FIA post race press conference





Cheater and lyer...

[Stormsearcher]

Why would he not have overtaken it? he was in position to pass it easy, instead he tried to mess with Alonso, so either way we were screwed, do you get it now? had he got punished right then he would have looked stupid, but now it seems he got one over on Alonso today IMO, Alonso's reaction says it all, toys right out the pram, yet when he did it to MS at Hungary he thought it was ok.....see the problem I have is I don't just take the hardcore stance, sorry

Searching around for penalty's to keep us in it has never been my kind of thing, we should do a better job then the rest can worry about us

Its not so much as tryin to find a penatly. But this is a gaping hole in the rule book and today it was apparent. The logic being simple that breaking a rule allowed hamilton to end up second, with or without the penalty, making the penalty redundant actually.
Was he trying to mess around with alonso... i dunno. Maybe he was told over the radio that "no lewis, u wont get a penalty, do as u please"... i dont know. But the point remains that he broke a rule, cheated in effect and got away with it. That wont do would it?

[Greig]

So your telling me he planned it, so he must have also known what type of penalty he would get and when meaning that the FIA is indeed working with mclaren right?

Planned what? planned to pass the SC before the line yes, meaning no penalty, no foul and Alonso screwed, what part don't you get?

How about we discuss Alonso's inability to hold off a Sauber instead?

[Hornet]

I would feel bad if one of our drivers pull of something like that. Its very un-sportsmanship

If the FIA doesn't look into it, it could encourage other drivers to pull off the same stunt as well in the future.

though to be very honest, I'm not surprise its Lewis who take the lead in doing this dirty stunt

[Stormsearcher]

Planned what? planned to pass the SC before the line yes, meaning no penalty, no foul and Alonso screwed, what part don't you get?

How about we discuss Alonso's inability to hold off a Sauber instead?

A car with the same engine and brand new tyres?? seriously?

[Greig]

A car with the same engine and brand new tyres?? seriously?

Yeah seriously, on a track where if you make no mistakes you don't get overtaken, I seem to remember Alonso holding a train behind him at Singapore, holding MS at Imola, why not today?

[Stormsearcher]

I would feel bad if one of our drivers pull of something like that. Its very un-sportsmanship

If the FIA doesn't look into it, it could encourage other drivers to pull off the same stunt as well in the future.

though to be very honest, I'm not surprise its Lewis who take the lead in doing this dirty stunt

I agree. More than anything, its really unsportsman like. And yes, it does seem like the lewser is the first to try a dirty stunt. Funny thing is he is getting away with just about everything this season.
I think our season is almost out of the window. One more race like this and we are toast.

[Stormsearcher]

Yeah seriously, on a track where if you make no mistakes you don't get overtaken, I seem to remember Alonso holding a train behind him at Singapore, holding MS at Imola, why not today?

The sauber was way too quick man. There was no way he could hold him. We saw the race, there was no mistake from nando.. there was also no way he could have kept that car behind him. It was closing in on him like a freight train.

[Greig]

Hungary 2006, Alonso slows under yellow flags to make MS pass him, MS given time penalty on grid, we can't sit here and say Lewis is the first one ever to do a dirty trick or be unsporting

[Greig]

The sauber was way too quick man. There was no way he could hold him. We saw the race, there was no mistake from nando.. there was also no way he could have kept that car behind him. It was closing in on him like a freight train.

So you don't think he cost himself a whole load of time trying to pass Buemi, which gave the Sauber a run at him?

[TheProdigalSon]

Planned what? planned to pass the SC before the line yes, meaning no penalty, no foul and Alonso screwed, what part don't you get?

How about we discuss Alonso's inability to hold off a Sauber instead?

Why becuase you don't know what your talking about anymore? Just do us all a favour and stop talking all together, you dont know who take your frustration out on so your using Alonso hoping to antagonize his fans and make them look bad. whatever carry on whining about Alonso if it makes you feel better that the car just hasn't been good enough.

[Stormsearcher]

Hungary 2006, Alonso slows under yellow flags to make MS pass him, MS given time penalty on grid, we can't sit here and say Lewis is the first one ever to do a dirty trick or be unsporting

Of course we cant. But if u see the season, lewser is really building up his tally. He will surpass MS at this rate.

[Stormsearcher]

So you don't think he cost himself a whole load of time trying to pass Buemi, which gave the Sauber a run at him?

He had to try and get past buemi. At best this race was damage limitation the moment the safety car came out. I wont blame him for trying to get past buemi and score as many points as possible.
I also think seeing the pace at which the sauber was coming at him, he was trying to get that torro rosso inbetween himself and kobiyashi.
He lost out to the sauber, but not for want of trying or making a mistake.

[Greig]

Why becuase you don't know what your talking about anymore? Just do us all a favour and stop talking all together, you dont know who take your frustration out on so your using Alonso hoping to antagonize his fans and make them look bad. whatever carry on whining about Alonso if it makes you feel better that the car just hasn't been good enough.

Awh diddums, you are the one clearly with no idea what the debate is about, I suggest you go back and read it again, then come back with a reasonable understanding of what you are actually trying to debate, I love how you deflect Alonso onto the car, typical fanboy response, and also not at all looking to antagonize Ferrari fans yeah LOL. I am not frustrated in the slightest, you are the one being paranoid