2012 Canadian Grand Prix - Race thread

[wacc]

It was clear Felipe's tyres were going off fast though.

Do you know how often Felipe blocked his wheels while breaking? How often he had to fight for position etc.? Why did RedBull make the same mistake, their tires were 2 laps older then Fernando's.

[sav_pap]

why take a risk when you're leading the championship and looking good for p2 in the race?

Good talk some morons in here must read your post... I've said this 100 times now...

[Kyss4k]

It's not a mistake to do something which has 20% chances to happen . It's stupidity... As for the God comments nothing to reply... I can feel that you are more angry than me... so go and talk elsewhere.... If I was God I would be next to you now... you know why...

I am angry. I am angry that there are fans as you, who are not grateful even a bit... This season, our strategists were fantastic and the make one mistake and you would fire them all.

[Greig]

Do you know how often Felipe blocked his wheels while breaking? How often he had to fight for position etc.? Why did RedBull make the same mistake, their tires were 2 laps older then Fernando's.

Red Bull realised it was wrong.

[Gerhard Berger]

Think we kept our eye on Vettel before pitting, and then thought we may as well 1 stop. Worked out badly. Track position means nothing at this track and the cost of making a pitstop is only around 14 seconds.

Should have had 2nd place at least if we had shadowed Hamilton. Oh well! Hope we learn from this.

[REDARMYSOJA]

Good talk some morons in here must read your post... I've said this 100 times now...

No need to call people morons just because they don't agree with you.

[Stormsearcher]

I think we feared that if we pitted along with hamilton and vettel didnt... AND.. managed to drag his tyres all the way to the end, we might lose points to him.

[wacc]

Maybe, maybe not, but Alonso would have a chance to fight. And at least 2nd was safe if it never worked out.

You are right. It would have been a safe call to pit him a lap later after Hamilton. Imagine safety car. It shows how much they wanted that win.

[Stormsearcher]

Good talk some morons in here must read your post... I've said this 100 times now...

Easy there...

[Kyss4k]

Where did I say anyone was dumb? don't put words into my mouth please. I note you ignore the fact Alonso had time to make a stop and be out again right with Lewis and with a chance to fight for the win. Ferrari have done plenty of dumb things, most fans can accept that and speak about it.

"I could see from live timing that Felipe's times were dropping, he was a clear indication that we could not win the race with a 1 stop I assume the team had even better data available..." You saw that, but team clearly didn't. So they are either blind, or dumb. Or you just can't admit, that there was a chance, that the team and Fernando was trying to make these tyres last longer than in Felipe's case. And they saw something more in the data, that you did. And maybe that they are smarter than you (no offence)

[Greig]

"I could see from live timing that Felipe's times were dropping, he was a clear indication that we could not win the race with a 1 stop I assume the team had even better data available..." You saw that, but team clearly didn't. So they are even blind, or dumb. Or you just can't admit, that there was a chance, that the team and Fernando was trying to make these tyres last longer than in Felipe's case.

I never called anyone dumb or blind or anything, again don't put words in my mouth. There is nothing for me to admit, you are the one saying there was no chance of a win with 2 stops, when in fact there was as Alonso had a gap to pit and come out right with Lewis.

[Gerhard Berger]

I think we feared that if we pitted along with hamilton and vettel didnt... AND.. managed to drag his tyres all the way to the end, we might lose points to him.

my thoughts too!

[wacc]

Red Bull realised it was wrong.

Yep, because they made even bigger mistake then Ferrari. They had bigger degradation and older primes.

[sav_pap]

I am angry. I am angry that there are fans as you, who are not grateful even a bit... This season, our strategists were fantastic and the make one mistake and you would fire them all.

Show me where i posted something in this thread about sacking or firing. I think it's your hobby to put words never said in others mouth. You did it b4 with Greig.
I just said that our pitwall suffers from brainless people. They proved it today. If you don't agree OK. I live with that.

[Ferrarichamp]

I think we feared that if we pitted along with hamilton and vettel didnt... AND.. managed to drag his tyres all the way to the end, we might lose points to him.

and yet Alonso says he sees Ramilton as his biggest rival

[wacc]

Show me where i posted something in this thread about sacking or firing. I think it's your hobby to put words never said in others mouth.

Look:

How could it be possible our tyres to last 50...
How could it be possible our tyres to last 50 laps????????????????????????
Are they so idiots????
Luda D shouls take immediately some urgent decisions.

[FerrariF60]

I think we feared that if we pitted along with hamilton and vettel didnt... AND.. managed to drag his tyres all the way to the end, we might lose points to him.

EXACTLY!!!! i have to agree 100% and the team felt that way too...
of course looking in the hindsight, it would have been a better call to bring alonso in and cover hamilton; but like you said, Ferrari feared that if Vettel could keep his tires to the end (on a one stopper), he could win the race and we'd end up 3rd...

so all in all, i'm not happy with the decision Ferrari made, but HEY we have to look on the bright side, we're only 2 points down on Lewise with a LONG, LONG way to go to the end.

and if by some weird miracle the ONE stopper strategy would have worked for us....we would have been on the TOP step now, but hey, this is FORMULA ONE RACING, and we always have to take risks....even though in the end may dissapoint us FANS....

so CHEER up mates, we have a car now that's proven to fight at the front, Ferrari will keep on working day and night 24H around the clock to make us EVEN more competitive and hopefully will LOTS more WINS coming up...

and in the end, Alonso's ONLY 2 POINTS DOWN....not that bad with the NOT so good car we had in the first few races

[sav_pap]

When you are avoiding the OBVIOUS it's pure (you know what). We didn't follow the possible today in Canada. We knew the right thing and we turned our backs to it.

[Stormsearcher]

and yet Alonso says he sees Ramilton as his biggest rival

In the larger scheme of things, yes. And Hamilton proved it today. But for the moment, at that current time, it was Vettel who was threatening him. There was no saying at what position he would finish. Little did he know he would get reeled in by 3 other drivers and completely miss out on the podium. So i guess for him/team to be covering vettel would be natural. If they had finished lewis, nando and vettel, as am sure they expected even with the single stop strategy, we would still be leading the championship and pulled a gap to vettel.

[Kyss4k]

I never called anyone dumb or blind or anything, again don't put words in my mouth. There is nothing for me to admit, you are the one saying there was no chance of a win with 2 stops, when in fact there was as Alonso had a gap to pit and come out right with Lewis.

Well I am sorry than, but you are now seeing only what you want. I am done with this discussion. And I am NOT puttion words into your mouth, there is just no other option than these I wrote. Or as I edited, you can be way smarter than they are and in that case you should be the head strategist. I respect you, and kind of admire you for what are you doing for our comunity, but well... here you are just "blinded" and you don't want to see the other side of the thing and by that, you're making me sad.

[Grillo]

Red Bull realised it was wrong.

It would have been too late for Alonso to stop right after Vettel. The podium was gone and there was nothing we could do to finish ahead of him. Our only chance was to stay out and pray for Vettel not having the pace to get past Alonso. Bad decision but it didn't look that bad.

[REDARMYSOJA]

When you are avoiding the OBVIOUS it's pure (you know what). We didn't follow the possible today in Canada. We knew the right thing and we turned our backs to it.

Calm down. The world didn't end and Alonso is still in great shape for the championship.

[sav_pap]

Look:

And since when the "make a decision" = "fire people".
I didn't know you are a lawyer. Can you give some advise for a personal matter??

[Kyss4k]

and yet Alonso says he sees Ramilton as his biggest rival

As wacc said. And there were others even using the word.

[FrankAlfa]

Well this was a very good race. Ferrari and Red Bull thought 1 pitstop could out run the 2 pitstops of Hamilton but came up short and both Alonso and Vettel suffered int he end. Vettel did make a 2nd pitstop but was much to far behind to catch the front runners. He passed Alonso and that hurt Ferrari and Alonso. The saying is : "Hindsight is 20/20". Sometimes it doesn't work out as hoped.

Good race regardless of the below expectations result for the Ferrari Team. Massa is still falling back and that is hurting Ferrrari Team points in the Constructor's Championship.

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[brembo man]

WE are as much in the race for driver championship if not more than any team. We have Alonso! Our car is not what it was, were good to go. Cheers to the chin! He's looking good to break another F1 record, most DNFs in a season! Point wise he's still 6 up from the bottom and only 57 points behind his teamate! As Todt once said" Two points could mean a lot at seasons end."

[mark p]

Maybe Ferrari thought after Monaco with hindsight they could have won by staying out longer but agot it all wrong in Monaco staying out longer would win the race in Canada istaying out cost them. At the time I thought Ferrari were right but.... Oh well car is right there now 13 races to go and nothing in it in the championship. Better than 2010 when rb had a huge advantage in the car and Ferrari just in the lead due to reliability as soon as rb got a run they easily won the last 3 races. Not this year I am very confident.

[wacc]

And since when the "make a decision" = "fire people".
I didn't know you are a lawyer. Can you give some advise for a personal matter??

So which decision should he make then?

[Greig]

Well I am sorry than, but you are now seeing only what you want. I am done with this discussion. And I am NOT puttion words into your mouth, there is just no other option than these I wrote. Or as I edited, you can be way smarter than they are and in that case you should be the head strategist. I respect you, and kind of admire you for what are you doing for our comunity, but well... here you are just "blinded" and you don't want to see the other side of the thing and by that, you're making me sad.

Yes there was other options, I am not smarter than they are, nor am I blind to a mistake being made, it seems you are blinded by things as we had the option to pit with a 15 second lead, have fresh rubber and to fight for the win to the finish, this is not Monaco overtaking is very easy round here, not giving Fernando fresh rubber to fight for the victory and at least 2nd was a mistake.

[scuderiafan]

I think it was encouraging that Ferrari could have fought McLaren for the win at a track like Canada which suits McLaren a lot more.