Ferrari F138 - Development and News

[wacc]

I just hope the nose strakes are not a bad sign.
They remind me of Mercedes' W02 and their desperate effort to make it faster.

[Kyss4k]

I just hope the nose strakes are not a bad sign.
They remind me of Mercedes' W02 and their desperate effort to make it faster.

Quite a few cars has adopted this solution this year, so my guess is that it's worth something :)

[TheProdigalSon]

I can't see any more than a revised version. But then Ferrari have said the exhausts are different to the tings seen before by all teams, or at least it was implied.


http://www.espn.co.uk/ferrari/motors...ry/101235.html



it sound like it is a new solution like the Williams and Cetrham banned ones were, but it is different to them. Will be interesting to see what they bring, but it can't be that different.

Something about it seems to be taken to the extreme if they are worried about if it will be reliable, not long to find out.

[scuderiafan]

Something about it seems to be taken to the extreme if they are worried about if it will be reliable, not long to find out.

Nope, I can't wait. But I do get the feeling that Ferrari is a little behind (not much at all though). So I hope this pack which is worth a long long time in the wind tunnel can work, and it should be by the sounds of things a little more than what most teams will bring.
I hope it can bring the cars closer to the front, but then this could all be rubbish.

[FrankAlfa]

The cars will change this week and at the first race. The Ferrari will have several changes at the Front Wing, the Exhaust, Floor, Etc. and will develop the car. Everything is about Downforce. Ferrari have a lot of development to do to the car and this car will be a very nimble tool! Keep the Faith!

Ciao,

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[mark p]

The cars will change this week and at the first race. The Ferrari will have several changes at the Front Wing, the Exhaust, Floor, Etc. and will develop the car. Everything is about Downforce. Ferrari have a lot of development to do to the car and this car will be a very nimble tool! Keep the Faith!

Ciao,

Forza Ferrari!!!!

What do you think about the developing engine map story concerning rb and lotus albeit originated from an amus article? As ferrari get faster this could bring them backwards.

[medeni73]

I dont think those engine map things will severely slow them down...they couldnt use it last season (part of) too and they didnt become slow...BUT if they made some mechanical/structural tweaks on bodywork in order to further "support" those maps then they may suffer more...

[chandran2313]

What is the story on passive ddrs guys? That would really help us in qualifying.

[Jas]

I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR THE WORD "COOL" AGAIN!! ACTION PLEASE

Ferrari doubt they will be fastest in Aus

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26 February 2013, 12:13



Ferrari are unlikely to have the fastest car when the Formula One season starts in Australia next month but they hope to be close enough for Fernando Alonso to make the difference, according to team principal Stefano Domenicali.

"The situation at the moment seems to be alright, alright with the programme that we have," the Italian told Reuters at a Motor Sport magazine Hall of Fame event in London late on Monday.

"The target is to be close together with the leading cars...I would be very surprised if it was the quickest (car) at the first race. But if we are all close together in a couple of tenths, then the season is really long and everything is possible."

Ferrari started last season with a car that was tricky to drive and some way off the pace but Alonso kept them in the hunt with some remarkable drives while the team pulled out all the stops to narrow the performance gap.

By mid-season, the Spaniard had a comfortable lead in the championship that was then eroded in the latter half by a resurgent Sebastian Vettel who reeled off a string of wins for Red Bull.

The end result was Vettel's third successive title but the German and Alonso were still fighting for it all the way to the final race in Brazil.

Domenicali said the situation was very different from February last year, when Brazilian Felipe Massa first tested the F2012 and rang Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo to tell him the bad news.

"It's another world," said Domenicali. "It's a totally different situation but we cannot underestimate that everyone is doing a good job, and as far as we can see from the tests I don't see a lot of changes in respect of what we saw at the end (of last year)."

Eight drivers from four teams - Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes and Lotus - have been fastest over the eight days of testing so far although the Red Bull drivers have also sounded happy with their car's performance.

Domenicali said the biggest challenge all teams faced in the first few races would be the new-version Pirelli tyres, designed to degrade quicker and create more pitstops.

"We need to make sure that we are close to the best car and then the team and drivers have to make the difference," he added. "In Australia it is not the end of the championship, it's just the start. We need to be careful and stay cool."

The season starts in Melbourne on March 17

[medeni73]

not very encouraging, it seems we will play cat and mouse game at the beginning again...

[Gerhard Berger]

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Ferrari doubt they will be fastest in Aus

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26 February 2013, 12:13



Ferrari are unlikely to have the fastest car when the Formula One season starts in Australia next month but they hope to be close enough for Fernando Alonso to make the difference, according to team principal Stefano Domenicali.

"The situation at the moment seems to be alright, alright with the programme that we have," the Italian told Reuters at a Motor Sport magazine Hall of Fame event in London late on Monday.

"The target is to be close together with the leading cars...I would be very surprised if it was the quickest (car) at the first race. But if we are all close together in a couple of tenths, then the season is really long and everything is possible."

Ferrari started last season with a car that was tricky to drive and some way off the pace but Alonso kept them in the hunt with some remarkable drives while the team pulled out all the stops to narrow the performance gap.

By mid-season, the Spaniard had a comfortable lead in the championship that was then eroded in the latter half by a resurgent Sebastian Vettel who reeled off a string of wins for Red Bull.

The end result was Vettel's third successive title but the German and Alonso were still fighting for it all the way to the final race in Brazil.

Domenicali said the situation was very different from February last year, when Brazilian Felipe Massa first tested the F2012 and rang Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo to tell him the bad news.

"It's another world," said Domenicali. "It's a totally different situation but we cannot underestimate that everyone is doing a good job, and as far as we can see from the tests I don't see a lot of changes in respect of what we saw at the end (of last year)."

Eight drivers from four teams - Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes and Lotus - have been fastest over the eight days of testing so far although the Red Bull drivers have also sounded happy with their car's performance.

Domenicali said the biggest challenge all teams faced in the first few races would be the new-version Pirelli tyres, designed to degrade quicker and create more pitstops.

"We need to make sure that we are close to the best car and then the team and drivers have to make the difference," he added. "In Australia it is not the end of the championship, it's just the start. We need to be careful and stay cool."

The season starts in Melbourne on March 17

Whilst he's correct that the season is not decided in Australia, it certainly helps to start off on the front foot, especially in terms of the development race. Playing catchup from the very beginning is always difficult as we've seen in the last few seasons.

Our target should be to BE THE FASTEST CAR not "to be close to the fastest cars". We can not always rely on Alonso to dig us out of a hole.

He also states that the car is similar to what it was at the end of last season, which is not so encouraging.

[medeni73]

Whilst he's correct that the season is not decided in Australia, it certainly helps to start off on the front foot, especially in terms of the development race. Playing catchup from the very beginning is always difficult as we've seen in the last few seasons.

Our target should be to BE THE FASTEST CAR not "to be close to the fastest cars". We can not always rely on Alonso to dig us out of a hole.

He also states that the car is similar to what it was at the end of last season, which is not so encouraging.

+1
+ we may have reliability issues now too..

[Gerhard Berger]

engine power issues

[medeni73]

fuel consumptions is bigger and less power in engine...

[sagi58]

Although, I am fairly fluent in Italian, the technicalities of F1 elude me in that language!
So... Would someone be so kind as to translate this?

La ricerca esasperata sugli scarichi, sempre più stretti, sta “strozzando” i V8: consumano di più e hanno perso altri cavalli

Montmelò - Più che le novità tecniche viste in pista oppure le risultanze cronometriche ottenute, del tutto relative perché scaturite in un quadro regolamentare di gomme troppo variabile, a preoccupare sono le degenerazioni che questo regolamento tecnico, al suo ultimo anno di vita, sta determinando. A Barcellona è dilagato l’allarme motori, ultime “vittime” della esasperazione sempre più frenetica che si sviluppa attorno agli scarichi e all’obiettivo di velocizzarne il flusso per fini aerodinamici. Ci voleva il lungo rettilineo della pista catalana per far sorgere il timore che ormai si sia arrivati ad un punto limite.

I believe it's referring to the search for more power through the engine discharge, which seems to be throttling the V8's horsepower?
Boh... anyway...

Thanks in advance for any help on this!!

[Hornet]

Thanks for the share, hopefully someone can translate it.

So, it seems there may be some concern surrounding Ferrari's engine?

[bluesilhouettes]

Stefano Domenicali has admitted Ferrari will probably not field the fastest car at the 2013 season opener next month.

Indeed, based on the results of the opening two tests of the pre-season, most rivals and pundits think world champion Red Bull is still in the lead.

Veteran correspondent Roger Benoit, of the Swiss newspaper Blick, ranks Lotus second in his early 2013 pecking order, followed by McLaren and then last year’s runner-up Ferrari.

“The target is to be close together with the leading cars,” Maranello based Ferrari’s team boss Domenicali told Reuters.

“I would be very surprised if it (the F138) was the quickest at the first race. But if we are all close together in a couple of tenths, then the season is really long and everything is possible.”

Last year, Ferrari and Fernando Alonso fought back into contention after a dire start, and both the Spanish driver and Felipe Massa have said the F138 is on “a different planet” compared to what they had early in 2012.

Still, their 2013 machine will probably not be dominant, Domenicali warns.

“In Australia it is not the end of the championship, it’s just the start. We need to be careful and stay cool,” he added.

http://www.f1zone.net/news/new-ferra...enicali/17887/

F138 is not quickest but F138 + Fernando is.

[Jas]

Can somebody translate the italian post please! Thanks

[stefa]

Google translation of above Italian text:

The exasperated search on discharges, ever closer, it is "choking" the V8 consume more and have lost more horses Montmelò - More than technical innovations seen on the track or the results obtained timekeeping of all relative, because resulting in a regulatory framework for tires too variable to worry about is the degeneration that technical regulations, the last year of his life, is determining. Barcelona has ramped up the engine alarm, the latest "victims" of exasperation increasingly hectic that is built around the objective of the discharge and speed up the flow for aerodynamic purposes. It took a long straight track Catalan arouses the suspicion that has now reached a tipping point.

Regards

[SinanOzerS]

We're all know we're still haven't got a fastest car by far,but after the last Barcelona tests,we will be...

[FerrariF60]

We're all know we're still haven't got a fastest car by far,but after the last Barcelona tests,we will be...

....let's hope so...i have faith in our TEAM and DRIVERS....

[Dino]

‘Engine maps’ trouble for Red Bull, Lotus

Hot on the heels of Williams and Caterham’s dubious exhaust exit solutions for 2013, trouble could also be brewing for F1′s two other Renault-powered teams.

Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport reports that, after Renault and ‘works’ partner Red Bull were told to cease using certain ‘engine maps’ last year, the same issue is now back on the table.

Correspondent Michael Schmidt also said the similarly Renault-powered Lotus, who according to most pundits has been the second most impressive team of the 2013 pre-season, is also in the spotlight as the latest controversy brews.

The report said that despite the FIA issuing a technical directive about engine maps last August, “it was not clear what should apply for 2013″.

Ferrari’s engine boss Luca Marmorini was quoted as insisting “Everything remains the same”.

His Renault counterpart Remi Taffin does not agree, claiming “a new benchmark” for engine mapping in 2013 will be set down by teams in Australia next month.

“The (August 2012) directive referred exclusively to last year,” said the Frenchman.

According to journalist Schmidt, however, the FIA has confirmed that the August 2012 directive still stands.

Renault was reportedly unaware of the federation’s stance until as recently as Thursday of last week, having developed new maps to optimise the exhaust-blowing effect for 2013.

Ross Brawn, Mercedes’ team boss, thinks the situation could now harm Red Bull and Lotus, as their similar exhaust solutions for 2013 were probably designed to work in conjunction with “a clever engine management system”

[Massimo]

Can somebody translate the italian post please! Thanks

Sorry Stefa, don't mean to be rude, google translate is often not the best for understanding an article, maye this is a bit easier to read

The exaggerated development of the exhausts, making them more narrow and tight, is choking the V8 engine:higher fuel consumption and loss of horsepower

Forget about the technical innovations that we saw on track or the laptimes, they're very relative because of the abnormal tyre degradation.
The real worry or degradation comes from the technical regulations, although they're in their last year of life.
In Barcelona it was the engines who sounded the alarmbell, the latest victims of a growing irritation or worry about the atempts to keep developing different exhaustsystems and airflows for aerodynamic benefits.
The long straight at Montmelo may have made clear that we have reached the limits of that kind of development.

[Hornet]

Thanks for the translation

Also, I hope FIA tells Renault to stuff it. They made a mistake, too bad, time to get back in line.

[Jas]

Thanks massimo

[Grillo]

‘Engine maps’ trouble for Red Bull, Lotus

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The report said that despite the FIA issuing a technical directive about engine maps last August, “it was not clear what should apply for 2013″.

Ferrari’s engine boss Luca Marmorini was quoted as insisting “Everything remains the same”.

His Renault counterpart Remi Taffin does not agree, claiming “a new benchmark” for engine mapping in 2013 will be set down by teams in Australia next month.

“The (August 2012) directive referred exclusively to last year,” said the Frenchman.

It would be ridiculous if the engine maps restrictions only applied to 2012. It would be unacceptable, a loophole ready for Renault again while most teams understood it would apply to 2013.

[sagi58]

... google translate is often not the best for understanding an article...

I tried with Google and then with Bing, both were clear as mud!!
I knew someone would help us out, here! And that someone was you!!
Thanks, Massimo!!

[Massimo]

I was waiting for your translation Sagi, but.....very dissapointing, very dissapointing indeed.
Ha,ha, only joking!

[SinanOzerS]

I tried with Google and then with Bing, both were clear as mud!!
I knew someone would help us out, here! And that someone was you!!
Thanks, Massimo!!

Google's Other Langs to English translate is always working perfect

[Dino]

Massimo''The exaggerated development of the exhausts, making them more narrow and tight, is choking the V8 engine:higher fuel consumption and loss of horsepower''

It seems Ferrari are trading the ideal exhaust pipe shape and sizes [loosing power and some reliability in the process]
for some extra downforce.
Our aero guys are trying out smaller diameter exhaust pipes to achieve higher exhaust gas speed.
This in turn causes some power loss,a lot of heat and stress on all the exhaust system !!!
Just my guess.