2014 Regulations.(engine/aero etc etc)

[harry harris]

Next step is introducing traffic lights

[Hornet]

Think the front end/nose will look a little bit like how the Brawn was.

Hmm, I still prefer the older low nose design, but I don't really mind Brawn gp design either. Still far better than last year's stepped nose

[Jas]

Why is a mercades engineer looking round Ferrari!!

Red Bull designer Adrian Newey has admitted the new RB10 he is penning for the 2014 season is ugly.

“The new Red Bull is ugly. Unfortunately,” he is quoted by the German news agency SID.

Briton Newey, widely regarded as the best car designer in Formula 1, is not at Suzuka this weekend as he focuses instead on the challenge of the radical 2014 rules.

He said he is working on the RB10 for “four of the five days” of the working week.

He said the reason for the ‘ugly’ 2014 car is because of the new aerodynamic rules, sending designers down the path of penning a “hook nose”.

But the bigger concern for Formula 1′s technical boffins is the new powertrain rules, which Newey said are “more complex than ever before”.

Agreed Alain Prost, Renault ambassador: “We have three engine manufacturers, and none of them are particularly optimistic.

“Reliability is the biggest challenge at the moment, to be honest,” he added.

Mercedes’ Toto Wolff, however, is excited.

“A month ago I was in Maranello and saw their engine factory and thought: ‘German engineering ingenuity against Italian improvisation and French laissez-faire’.”

Ferrari driver Felipe Massa, however, is most concerned about the ‘show’.

“Yes, it could be very frustrating to have to save fuel,” said the Brazilian at Suzuka.

“I just hope it can be interesting to watch for the spectators and viewers and that it can also be interesting for the drivers,” he added.

[Kiwi Nick]

Think the front end/nose will look a little bit like how the Brawn was.

Back to the future!!!!!

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2502/3...00d4dcac_z.jpg

[Hermann]

Pomodrou is going to Macca? Yikes. After what i heard, he must be some kind of co- genius at RB. Not good....

[Hornet]

Pomodrou is going to Macca? Yikes. After what i heard, he must be some kind of co- genius at RB. Not good....

Did not expect someone to leave Red Bull, but I certainly wished it was Ferrari who grabbed him instead. Lost of opportunity there

[Hermann]

Did not expect someone to leave Red Bull, but I certainly wished it was Ferrari who grabbed him instead. Lost of opportunity there

There were rumours that they tried. Lets hope Ferrari will have an answer to that.

[Rob]

RED BULL TO LOSE 'KEY FIGURE' TO MCLAREN - REPORT

Saturday 12 October at 07:35 : Oct.12 (GMM)

Red Bull looks set to lose its aerodynamics boss to McLaren.

Amid the great British team's 2013 slump, McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh said in Korea a week ago that "some as-yet unannounced" recruitments "will be headline-grabbing".

The first headlines are indeed now emerging.

Germany's Auto Motor und Sport said Red Bull designer Adrian Newey's "right-hand man", Peter Prodromou, is heading to Woking.

Correspondent Michael Schmidt, however, clarified that it is for now just a rumour, but Prodromou knows McLaren well, having worked there until 2006.

Schmidt said Prodromou is "one of the leading engineers in formula one", with his impending move "a win for McLaren and a huge blow to Red Bull".

McLaren, however, may have to wait, as Prodromou's current contract runs until 2015.

When asked about Prodromou at Suzuka, Red Bull's Dr Helmut Marko said: "He's not at Woking yet!"

Schmidt added: "The move would be remarkable, because it is the first time in a long time that Red Bull has lost one of its key figures."

He said one of the reasons Red Bull hangs onto staff is because of "good pay", but also because healthy championship bonuses are only paid in February of the following season.

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/daily...+-+report.html

MCLAREN CONFIRMS SIGNING RED BULL'S PRODROMOU

Saturday 12 October at 09:35 : Oct.12 (GMM)

McLaren has confirmed reports Red Bull's aerodynamics boss is heading to Woking.

Earlier, we reported rumours Peter Prodromou, described by Auto Motor und Sport as Adrian Newey's "right hand man", has been poached from the world champions.

"He's signed a contract with us," team boss Martin Whitmarsh told Reuters at Suzuka.

It is believed Prodromou's existing Red Bull contract runs until 2015.

Whitmarsh's Red Bull counterpart Christian Horner also confirmed the news about Prodromou on Saturday.

"We've enjoyed a long relationship with Peter and he's a valuable member of the team and there's quite a duration left on his contract," he said.

"We won't force him to stay, if it's his choice to leave then he'll leave at the end of his contract. But we are quite some way off that," Horner added.

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/daily...Prodromou.html

[Rob]

Wouldnt be surprised if he goes on gardening leave at end of year. Cannt imagine RBR making him stay if he does want to leave. Big, big signing for Mclaren, he worked there before. Wonder if we be going to get anyone else?

[shamim179]

Everything is falling into place to lure Alonso back to McLaren. If Brawn goes there fry goes there maybe even newey and if the Honda engine is competitive - there's no reason to think it won't be competitive McLaren are going to be an immense force to be reckoned with. It will be game over if Alonso completes the missing link. And if Hamilton goes back too it's definitely game over. Ferrari need to react fast and hard but we're still trying to solve our core problems.

[Jas]

the contract doesn't start till 2015, everyone calm down! He will definitely be on a sabbatical next year, its said that they have such a good retention off staff because they get paid so well and receive large bonuses if they win!

[Hornet]

Honda will have a lot to do to beat the other engine manufacturers in 2015. By 2015, the other manufacturer would have a full season of experience running their engines to fix and improve them.

[ManFromMilan]

Everything is falling into place to lure Alonso back to McLaren.

Nah, the car is still not painted Red and does not have the Prancing Horse on it.

Fernando will stay with Ferrari till the end of his contract.

[Nova]

Honda will have a lot to do to beat the other engine manufacturers in 2015. By 2015, the other manufacturer would have a full season of experience running their engines to fix and improve them.

That depends..Honda/Mac partnership was extremely successful in the 80's. And they were able to run faster even with the fuel restraints then, so I look for them to be strong.

[ManFromMilan]

was extremely successful in the 80's. And they were able to run faster even with the fuel restraints then

30 years on. Nope. No way they will still have the technological advantage as they did then.

[hrc5555]

It crossed my mind, what if James Allison is brought in Ferrari because Ferrari wanted some technical details from Lotus about 2014 project. May be even about Renault new engine...
Allison was on high position in Lotus, is it possible that he knows big secrets about new 2014 Lotus car?
Any opinions?

[mirafiori]

It crossed my mind, what if James Allison is brought in Ferrari because Ferrari wanted some technical details from Lotus about 2014 project. May be even about Renault new engine...
Allison was on high position in Lotus, is it possible that he knows big secrets about new 2014 Lotus car?
Any opinions?

Yeah for sure Allison will have lots of information, lets hope what knowledge he has can help us have a quicker car.

[anakin]

i hate the regulation changes. for the biggest impact would be
no lower wing beam allowed
no airflow conditioners allowed (besides the sidepods)
exhaust will be crap
power train is weaker and heavier
cars will be heavier than 2013
fuel inboard will be limited
but lets see how these thing will be beneficial to ferrari.

[DIEK]

Compare this:

[Mike996]

Compare this:

So from 2014 on, they will be using leaf blower motors in F1 then. Great...

[flam147]

I could just about suffer the whole save tyres part of modern F1, it's always been a part of the sport. But this whole saving fuel (I know they do it to some extent currently) just seems like another nail in the coffin of F1 being about racing.

Next step is introducing traffic lights

yeah when Red lights Flash give way to fire truck

[Tifoso]

I could just about suffer the whole save tyres part of modern F1, it's always been a part of the sport. But this whole saving fuel (I know they do it to some extent currently) just seems like another nail in the coffin of F1 being about racing.

This is it exactly.

[Forzi]

Renault downplays fears that F1 races could be boring in 2014

Renault has downplayed fears that Formula 1's 2014's engine rules could turn races into boring economy drives.

As teams and manufacturers ramp up preparations for the radical new rules, there have been growing concerns that the strict limit on fuel could force drivers to cruise around rather than race hard.

Renault's engine chiefs are adamant however that fuel economy will be no more of an issue than it is now, and the limit could actually open more thrilling strategic battles.

Renault F1's technical director Naoki Tokunaga told AUTOSPORT: "In terms of spectacle, I think the races will be different but still be exciting.

"At a circuit where you are limited to fuel, if you go flat out then you will not make the finish.

"Because you have to save fuel, it means there will be a difference between average power use through races and the maximum power available.

"But that then means if you need it, the maximum power is always available. So if you want to try to use it to get past another car, then you can.

"And afterwards you will then have to make up for the extra fuel used. It will mean more diverse strategies."

Tokunaga also thinks the imposition of a 100kg fuel limit is ultimately no harder to manage that how teams operate now, because they have to minimise fuel use to save weight.

"I have heard the concerns that there will be more people running out of fuel, or that people will stop racing each other to just get to the finish.

"But I don't think there will be more fuel run outs than you have today. We already start races with the lowest fuel load possible.

"We don't want to leave any fuel in the tank when the race is finished, so we have to manage fuel consumption now. It will be the same, and nothing has changed."

TEAMS NOT DRIVERS FACE ECONOMY HEADACHE

Although fuel economy will be important in 2014, Renault Sport's deputy managing director Rob White thinks that it will be achieved through clever engine management rather than drivers having to back off through grands prix.

Rob White with Christian Horner

"The driver will be driving flat out with a power unit that is calibrated to not exceed the allotted fuel allowance," he said.

"It is perhaps not quite the case that we will have drivers getting sore calves because they are driving around at half throttle. It will not be like that.

"The guy that wins the race is the guy that goes fastest from the start to the end, and that is absolutely fundamental and it remains the case.

"There will definitely be some lift and coast type behaviour, because it is physics that make it fundamentally the most fuel efficient way to save fuel, and we shouldn't shirk saying it.

"But the way it is implemented will be less shocking than the doom mongers forecast."

[Hornet]

The difference though is that right now, if the performance gain is worth the extra fuel, the team would rather carry that extra fuel. I'm sure every team carry a slightly different amount of fuel at every race depends on their needs. The new rule will completely remove any means for the team to adept to the engine they are using, If our engine happens to use more fuel, we are screwed because we cannot carry those fuel we need to have the desired level of performance, and we have to tune down our engine.

Everything becomes so technically limited that the difference a driver can make will further diminish. We seem to forget that it is still a racing of drivers, Formula 1 drivers are supposed to be some of the best drivers around. Instead they keep changing the rules that results in shifting the focus to the technical side, and away from the drivers.

If we keep going down this path, someday we can have drivers in his 40s still racing in F1, because the drivers will no longer be able to push racing a car to it's limits. Everything will be decided at the factory, a car will win or lose by it's fundamental design.

[Corey]

One more car development solution: Provided that Red Bull is still as dominant next year (as much as I wish for that to not happen), we should drop a snitch into the FIA who can regularly inspect the cars (in Parc Ferme etc.), and will be able to have a close up look of that RB10, then come report back to us on what was it that made that car so dominant. Or, we could think of a way to simply force the guys already in that working team to blurt out findings. This'll give us new leads on what is needed to make our F2014 quicker even though I hope that it'll already be good enough at the start of next year.

[Nova]

Wasnt there a story earlier this week that RB houses the kers unit in the transmission?
Would that in anyway help the car behave as if it had a form of TC?
Oh that V12...

[AfterLife]

Honda 2015 engine noise is better than Mercedes 2014 engine noise IMO. Even better than current engines.

[Hornet]

Wasnt there a story earlier this week that RB houses the kers unit in the transmission?
Would that in anyway help the car behave as if it had a form of TC?
Oh that V12...

Yeah Red Bull themself confirmed that their KERS is in the transmission system. But I haven't really seen any article that suggest what advantage Red Bull may get from that design (maybe I missed it?). I think it's safe to assume there's at least a little advantage, we just don't know what it is.

Honda 2015 engine noise is better than Mercedes 2014 engine noise IMO. Even better than current engines.

I'm not a fan of Honda's sound, the loud airflow sound drowns out the mechanical sound, makes it sound like a vacuum cleaner. What's with the air flow sound anyway?

[Ste]

Yeah Red Bull themself confirmed that their KERS is in the transmission system. But I haven't really seen any article that suggest what advantage Red Bull may get from that design (maybe I missed it?). I think it's safe to assume there's at least a little advantage, we just don't know what it is.


I'm not a fan of Honda's sound, the loud airflow sound drowns out the mechanical sound, makes it sound like a vacuum cleaner. What's with the air flow sound anyway?

Probably the turbo...

[wisepie]

The difference though is that right now, if the performance gain is worth the extra fuel, the team would rather carry that extra fuel. I'm sure every team carry a slightly different amount of fuel at every race depends on their needs. The new rule will completely remove any means for the team to adept to the engine they are using, If our engine happens to use more fuel, we are screwed because we cannot carry those fuel we need to have the desired level of performance, and we have to tune down our engine.

Everything becomes so technically limited that the difference a driver can make will further diminish. We seem to forget that it is still a racing of drivers, Formula 1 drivers are supposed to be some of the best drivers around. Instead they keep changing the rules that results in shifting the focus to the technical side, and away from the drivers.

If we keep going down this path, someday we can have drivers in his 40s still racing in F1, because the drivers will no longer be able to push racing a car to it's limits. Everything will be decided at the factory, a car will win or lose by it's fundamental design.

And they'll be driving electric F1 cars with zero noise at all!! Talk about strangulation of our sport, the way things are going everything will be so regulated that there'll be no point having any drivers.