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Mercs points haul BEFORE their cheating (tyre test) > Australia - 10 pts. Malaysia - 27 pts. China - 15 pts. Bahrain - 12 pts. Spain - 8 pts. AND AFTER the tyre test > Monaco - 37 pts. Canada - 25 pts. Great Britain - 37 pts.
So there's absolutely NO doubt that they got a huge advantage from their cheating (tyre test). And it's still really hard to believe that FIA let them get away with it, without any punishment whatsoever. Pathetic!
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These are the tires that cars at the pinnacle of motorsport
are supposed to run? Too much fiddling with rules and specifications
by the promoter and the FIA have brought F1 to this point. Pirelli is
hardly to blame as they're just trying to follow orders. I wonder if this
kind of junk foisted on them will effect the general public's attitude
towards their consumer and performance tires? They can't be liking
the negative press their brand's been getting in F1.
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The best option is to organize a 5-6 days of testing with the previous year's tyres in order the teams to get used to it. Just for tyres. Cars should have only homologated parts (no new parts test) and 1 driver/1 car per day. That way everybody will be ready for the new tyres.
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I was at Silverstone yesterday, ended up for us OK, but what was clear to see, how well Mercedes performed with there tyres.The last stint of the race Fernando pitted, on the softer tyre, Lewis on much older harder tyre would of caught Fernando if there was couple more laps to go. The way Mercedes are performing due to the Cheat test, they could end the season winning drivers, and team titles. Ferrari need to protest quick, and hard, with the FIA.
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Hi guys, just an idea but maybe the Answer !
I'm thinking that not Mercedes had a advantage from that testing, but that pirelli has changed the Tires ( not only more glue) since Canada whit or without the permission from the Teams or FIA.
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Fire Paul Hambrey IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!! He is the Cuase of this mess! Use either the early 2013 tires and expect mor pit stops or just use the 2012 spec tires and stop all the DRAMA, A - G - A - I - N in Formula One! Bernie things this is "Good For the Show"! This is all a load of CRAP!
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What does Hembery have to do with this? He is just a PR guy... a puppet.Originally Posted by FrankAlfa
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Ferrari, Lotus, Force India ready to relent over Pirelli tyre fix
By Jonathan Noble and Edd Straw Monday, July 1st 2013, 09:33 GMT
Ferrari, Lotus and Force India will no longer stand in the way of any move by Pirelli to change the tyres following the British Grand Prix dramas.
The three outfits lobbied against Pirelli's push to tweak specifications for the Canadian GP because they feared the changes to cure delaminations would affect the competitive order.
But after a number of spectacular blow-outs at Silverstone, the teams say that matters have now got more serious and that safety concerns need addressing.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108477?
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It's a safety issue - so there should be NO compromise on improvement - and what better way to let the teams ( excl. merc) to have 1000km test with current cars and drivers - nuff said.
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Ferrari should fight more aggressively for its interests. We should demand return of Pirellis from the start of the season. There was nothing wrong with them except some teams were experiencing high degradation.
We miss a better politician in the team top management. Stefano is too polite. Todt was much better in this regard.
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I have to admit to being completely and undeniably disgusted with this whole Tire-Gate!!
How can we be expected to believe that "coincidentally" there are five blowouts in the race following the ILLEGAL testing by Pirelli/Mercedes (yes, I know, Hamilton had one, too)!!
How can we be expected to believe that "coincidentally" there are five blowouts in the race following Pirelli's vain attempt at "changing the glue" used to make delamination "go away"!!
How can we be expected to believe this is not some kind of set up so that teams (i.e., Ferrari, Lotus, Force India) are "forced" into reverting back to the Kevlar lining Pirelli used last year, which is "coincidentally" what Red Bull and Mercedes wanted all along!!
How can we not go on the offensive and insist that Pirelli use the tires they initially manufactured for this season, instead of changing the compounds mid-season?? Why shouldn't we insist that Pirelli can't play favourites by choosing harder compounds for tracks where one of the softer tires was better suited, just because some teams favour the harder compounds??
How can it not be sickening to hear Newey call other teams (i.e., Ferrari, Lotus and Force India) "short sighted" for not allowing Pirelli to go back to the 2012 tire, saying that they were only thinking of themselves!!
Dumb Question of the Day: Who the h.e.l.l. was Newey thinking of when he/Red Bull wanted the tires changed because they didn't suit his car's design? Was he being altruistic in thinking of driver safety? Doubt it!!
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LOL, that says a lot. If it was me, I'd gladly trade the young drivers test for such jump too.
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Yep, so would I. And I can't believe that there were some people who tried to claim as though Merc didn't get any advantage from that tyre test. Well it's absolutely clear now, that they DID! And all they got for their crime was a little reprimand...ridiculous!
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Yes unfortunately both Pirelli and Mercedes were protecting each other and the FIA what can I say covering their inadequacies. A total disaster! It's the other teams and fans that suffer from this as a result.
I still cannot find visual evidence that is compelling that the steel belt was still there?
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Pirelli permitted to undertake extra tyre tests
Sole Formula 1 tyre supplier Pirelli has been given the green light by governing body the FIA to carry out two unrestricted three-day tests in the wake of the dramatic tyre blow-outs suffered during Sunday's British Grand Prix at Silverstone.
With teams and drivers promptly raising safety concerns after the race, F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone has revealed that he met with FIA President Jean Todt to discuss the string of failures, the pair later agreeing to let Pirelli complete further mileage.
"They [Pirelli] have complained in the past when these tyres have delaminated – which is certainly nothing to do with it [what happened yesterday]," Ecclestone explained. "They've said they'd like to sort it out, but they don't have a chance to do any testing because of these bloody silly restrictions we have.
"But I spoke to Jean Todt over the weekend and he has said 'Let them test'. So he has allowed them to run two three-day tests between now and... well, when they want, to try and do something for next year, as well as this year, so that's exactly what's going to happen."
The rules currently state that in-season testing is only permitted if completed with a two-year old car, the fact being reinforced when Mercedes picked up a ban from the Young Driver Test for fielding a 2013 chassis during its private Barcelona test.
However, Ecclestone says Pirelli will not be held back at the upcoming tests: "They can use what they like. No restrictions. None at all, so they can do what they want."
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...ra-tyre-tests/
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All teams need to be invited to do this test here. Or is it purely a Pirelli test? FIA needs to make that clear otherwise we will get into the same situation again where it can appear that Pirelli are favoring certain teams over others.
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FrankAlfa, you have not been backward at coming forward with your views about the state of the sport and the lack of winning WDC/WCC by Ferrari of late, and as NeroHorse said, we thought you'd left in disgust! I have already welcomed you back in a previous post weeks ago and my intention was not to be disrespectful to you, there's far too much of that on TSN already. But I do think some of your points are made rather forcefully! Nothing wrong with that, and the sport does need to get a grip as far as fairness and transparency is concerned, as well as a motor-racing rather than tyre-manipulated competition. So sorry if I over-reacted and at least you still admit to supporting our team, come what may, so I'll drink to that!
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well pirelli was asked by Bernie to make the tyres less durable,to make the race more exciting,and pirelli did exactly that,but it seems that they have over done it! Can't blame them entirely though,they were asked to do that,plus 2013 cars seem much faster,I.e Lewis pole time was even better than vettels 2011 when he had the blown diffuser! But pirelli along with Bernie and the fia should shoulder the blame!!
Well pirelli knew they were in trouble,and did the test with Mercedes to get out of this mess,which Bernie put them in the first place!! All this is just gonna make things worse for the 3 teams I'm afraid..
Pirelli now are from being a game changer,to probably a life changer!!
I was only thinking after the race,what if Alonso decided to go left instead of right!!!!
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Considering how bad we saw Mercs deg before at Barcelona, they done well yesterday, Lewis able to push in last 10 or so laps to close up behind Fernando and Nico, could push aswell. They learnt form that test, no care what they or anyone else things. They had revised suspension geometry for Silverstone.
As much as i didnt want the change, as we and Lotus done made car easy on tyres, yesterday was beyond a joke. It looked like the tyre was ripping itself apart from where sidewall meets the tread, on the shoulder there.
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Yes Alonso could have gone left but he was probably radioed that the left rears were failing so he could anticipate that but what if his instincts told him to go left rather than right. It can happen and that's why some people get killed they're not looking for death but it just happens.
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Hopefully they will revert to a tire similar to the beginning of the year. It sure does appear that the latest tire, not to mention blowing themselves up,
do not favor the Ferrari or Lotus. It all does seem a tad unfair to me that tires dictate a cars performance, not just a little, but to a very high degree. If the tires
were the same as the beginning of the year, I think that the fight would be between Ferrari, Lotus and RB, but since something changed somewhere, they only real
benifactors have been Merc and RB.
Granted we always need development, but to see the F138 become so slow and twitchy AND lack real race pace is unacceptable, as far as the tires are concerned.
Ferrari should want a change as soon as possible.
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Analysis: British Grand Prix Pirelli tyre failure causes
By Jonathan Noble Monday, July 1st 2013, 10:37 GMT
A perfect storm of kerb design, track layout, internal shockwaves and low pressures is likely to have caused the British Grand Prix tyre dramas, according to leading Formula 1 engineers.
As Pirelli continues analysis of the remains of the tyre blow-outs at its Milan headquarters, preliminary investigations have pointed towards a combination of factors being to blame.
Much of the focus during the race was on the kerb layout at Silverstone; with drivers being advised to stay clear of them during the race once it emerged that damage was being done to the tyres.
Following feedback from drivers and a first look at the tyres, a closer inspection of the kerbs after the race indicated that there were two areas of the track that were of particular concern.
The first was an area inside the kerb at the Aintree kink that drivers appeared to be short-cutting at times with their inside left wheels to get a better entry onto the Wellington straight.
The serrated surface there is likely to have put increased strain on the inside edge of the left rear tyre, especially with tyre pressures being run as low as possible for performance reasons.
Running pressures low is good for durability, but it means the contact patch of the tyre moves towards the inside shoulder - the very area that was being punished by the kerbs.
As Red Bull technical chief Adrian Newey said: "The tyre failures appeared to have been from the inside shoulder of the rear tyre. By raising the pressure then you move the contact pressure [patch] more to the centre of the tyre and less onto the edge."
TYRE SHOCKWAVES
Allied to potential cuts being caused by running across the kerbs - as drivers were also doing at The Loop – the Aintree shortcut may also have set off what one engineer suggested was a 'shockwave' inside the tyre.
This shockwave is something that can be exacerbated with the kind of steel belt design that has been introduced for this year, which is why the kerb factors were not a problem in 2012 when Pirelli's tyres featured a Kevlar belt.
With the steel-belt tyres running around 10-degrees centigrade hotter than last year's Kevlar version, any temperature increase caused by the shockwaves will have put the rubber closer to the danger zone.
The other area of the track that is being singled out as a factor is the kerb on the exit of Becketts where drivers prepare for the left hander at Chapel curve onto Hangar straight.
Behind the red and white kerbs on the exit is an area of old and now rough concrete blocks exactly where some drivers had been placing their left rear tyre.
This will have likely put tremendous forces on to the inside shoulder of the tyre which, allied to the internal shockwaves caused by the rough area, helped trigger the failures that occurred on the Hangar straight
Pirelli's forensic investigations are expected to deliver a definitive answer on the causes of the problem in the next 48 hours.
If the combination of kerb design, tyre specification and pressures is proven as the cause, then it will only increase the need for Pirelli to take action prior to the next race in Germany where similar factors could also come into play.
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Formula 1 teams to discuss possible post-Brazil tyre test
By Jonathan Noble Monday, July 1st 2013, 15:15 GMT
Formula 1 teams are to discuss plans to stay on after this year's Brazilian Grand Prix for an end-of-season test to trial 2014 tyres, AUTOSPORT can reveal.
With the FIA prepared to do more to help Pirelli in future, the idea of a test at Interlagos has been added to the agenda of Wednesday's Sporting Working Committee meeting at the Nurburgring.
The plan for a two or three-day test immediately after the season finale will need approval from teams as it will require a change of the regulations.
Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery said the idea of a Brazil test came up in a meeting he had with FIA president Jean Todt and F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone at the British Grand Prix on Saturday.
"Jean had some good ideas like that, and felt that we ought to work to find a solution that would make it easier for us to do such testing," Hembery told AUTOSPORT.
"We mentioned about whether it could be possible to do something at the end of the season for two or three days to help us decide our last solutions.
"OK, the cars are changing a lot for 2014 but, as you can see, the cars this year are going very, very quick.
"The best and most stressful experience we can give the tyres is with the current cars."
Hembery said Pirelli would not require every team to be present at the test for it to be useful, but it would make tyres available to everyone if the test gets the green light.
"It is still at the concept stage," he said. "We wouldn't need every team.
"We could provide tyres to every team if they wanted to run, but still have different programmes for different teams.
"We want it to be close to the tyres we will use for winter testing."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108490
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The FIA is ready to allow Pirelli to use a 2013 Formula 1 car in its private tyre tests in a bid to overcome its recent problems, AUTOSPORT has learned.
So who will to the testing?
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Hope don't explode.
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Ah, a bit of casual sexism with our tyre discussion. Fab.
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They has to do it with everyone, surely (well, maybe except Merc...).
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I just want relax a little the atmosphere...
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