Pirelli tyre situation - All discussion here

[Hermann]

I just want relax a little the atmosphere...

There are female fans here as well, so do you have something with a half naked handsome guy?

[Hornet]

Mmm... so Pirelli do know how to make some good choice in certain area

There are female fans here as well, so do you have something with a half naked handsome guy?

Google Flavio Briatore Some pictures are like 90% naked though

[SilverSpeed]

[Dino]

Race drivers will be allowed in Silverstone young driver test

While Mercedes may only watch.....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108493

[ManFromMilan]

Ah, a bit of casual sexism with our tyre discussion. Fab.

How the hell is that sexism?


BTW thanks again for the much needed reflection time DIEK

[Nero Horse]

Race drivers will be allowed in Silverstone young driver test

While Mercedes may only watch.....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108493

Excellent news, but unfortunately as it says in the article that the regular race drivers will only be allowed to work on tyre development and cannot assess car improvements. So that won't help us much. But hey, it's still better than no test at all.

[DIEK]

There are female fans here as well, so do you have something with a half naked handsome guy?

No, but I have this superb gif in compensation...

[FA fan]

Yes Alonso could have gone left but he was probably radioed that the left rears were failing so he could anticipate that but what if his instincts told him to go left rather than right. It can happen and that's why some people get killed they're not looking for death but it just happens.

Well you can't anticipate every time your racing behind a car trying to overtake it at high speed,that his rear left tyre might explode so I need to move right;)

[shamim179]

No wonder the Pirelli engineers have got it wrong. Too much distraction!

[FA fan]

No wonder the Pirelli engineers have got it wrong. Too much distraction!

No wonder,you probably anticipated that:)

[Suzie]

How the hell is that sexism?


BTW thanks again for the much needed reflection time DIEK

Nah you're right, objectification is completely fine...

[fadyferrari]

now that pirelli has been allowed 2 three day tests with the 2013 car,STEFANO should grab this opportunity with both hands and not be caught napping as always!!!

[tifosi1993]

Pirelli to use Kevlar-belt tyres in Germany

[sagi58]

Pirelli to use Kevlar-belt tyres in Germany

At the risk of sounding completely cynical, I guess Pirelli's "gamble" paid off? We know Red Bull and Mercedes will be happy to hear this; but, what about us? Will it help or hinder us?

[FerrariF60]

At the risk of sounding completely cynical, I guess Pirelli's "gamble" paid off? We know Red Bull and Mercedes will be happy to hear this; but, what about us? Will it help or hinder us?

well, our car was a bit better last year near the end of the season (with the 2012 tires) so it could go either way for us; let's jsut wait and see.

it will be interesting how we're gonna perform from Hungary onwards with 2012 tire structures (which i assume will have Kevlar belts instead of steel) and 2013 rubber compounds as Paul Hembery has mentioned in that article.

it's gonna be a LONG waiting game for the Ferrari Fans as to how well the prancing horse is gonna perform....let's ALL hope that is gonna be MUCH, MUCH better then as of late scenerios we had

[shamim179]

Reports of kevlar found in the failed tyres by both sauber and McLaren from British gp. Is this true? I couldn't see any steel belts the failed tyres looked different to me. Any thoughts?

[shamim179]

Spanish newspaper Marca claims that Pirelli broke the rules ahead of the British Grand Prix by modifying the tyres without the consent of the teams or FIA.

Reporter Marco Canseco said “At worst, it jeopardised the lives of the drivers,” who also claims that a Kevlar material was included into the internal steel belt.

Paul Hembery of Pirelli denies the changes and said ”I can assure you that the tyres (at Silverstone) were the same construction as the ones used in Barcelona.”

This entry was written by f1.co.uk

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/vi...thout_consent/

[shamim179]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pi...rstone-report/

[shamim179]

Jul.2 (GMM) F1's tyre scandal could be set to deepen yet further, as a Spanish sports newspaper claims Pirelli - already under reprimand for 'test-gate' -blatantly broke the rules.

Marca correspondent Marco Canseco reports that, prior to the tyre-explosive British grand prix, F1's official supplier changed the construction of its 2013 tyre without the knowledge or the consent of the FIA or the teams.

"At worst, it jeopardised the lives of the drivers," Canseco said, referring to the spate of spectacular tyre failures at the British grand prix that have thrown the sport into crisis.

Marca said the tyres used at Silverstone had a completely new structure, with a layer of kevlar included in the internal steel-belt.

Earlier, teams including Lotus, Force India and Ferrari vetoed the introduction of the purely kevlar-belted tyres, due to the rule requiring unanimity for mid-season changes.

Canseco said he discovered Pirelli's breach when Sauber and McLaren sent team personnel out to the scene of Sunday's tyre explosions, only to discover kevlar shards among the debris.

Pirelli's Paul Hembery denies the charge.

"I can assure you that the tyres (at Silverstone) were the same construction as the ones used in Barcelona," he said.

Reacting to F1's new tyre crisis, the FIA has agreed to open up the forthcoming three-day young driver test at Silverstone to include the use of race drivers for tyre development.

"The test may also be extended by one day," read a statement issued by the Paris federation.

Mercedes, however, remains banned from the test, even though team director Toto Wolff expressed concerns about what the other teams will be allowed to do.

"If it is a pure tyre test, I'm all for it," he is quoted by Germany's Sport Bild.

The FIA also said it will seek the World Motor Sport Council's consent to allow Pirelli to introduce new specifications during the season without the need for unanimity.

"In the meantime," the governing body added, "the FIA has asked Pirelli for an assurance that there will be no repetition of the tyre problems at this weekend's German grand prix or at subsequent grands prix."

If that guarantee is not forthcoming, it is possible drivers will boycott the Nurburgring.

"I don't think that will happen," Bernie Ecclestone told the BBC.

But McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh insists: "There is that danger (of boycott), if it is not certain that it is safe.

"But this is not what we want for F1. We had these problems in Indianapolis (in 2005) and it was terrible for the sport.

"This is not the time to blame anyone," he is quoted by Auto Hebdo, "we need to work together and find a solution."

The Telegraph reports that Pirelli will "almost certainly" use its safer kevlar tyres this weekend.

"We would support this," Lotus boss Eric Boullier, who previously blocked the introduction of the kevlar tyres on sporting grounds, is quoted by AFP news agency.

"Safety is the primary concern," he insisted.

F1 chief executive Ecclestone confirmed: "They (Pirelli) can change them (the tyres).

"(FIA president) Jean (Todt) agreed with that and I told Pirelli."

Influential French sports daily L'Equipe headlined that the sport is "in tatters" after Silverstone, but the most damage has been to Pirelli's image.

"Fortunately they (Pirelli) don't make condoms," joked German tennis legend Boris Becker, according to Welt newspaper.

Ferrari's Stefano Domenicali thinks the Nurburgring will be a "less stressful" circuit for tyres than high-speed Silverstone.

[Kingdom Hearts]

This is suck a joke and farce.

[radosav]

From Hungary tyres revert to 2012 spec , BBC!

[Hornet]

So, despite objections from the team, Pirelli couldn't take no, went ahead and modify it, and ended up in a disaster

[zike]

[QUOTE=radosav;792395]From Hungary tyres revert to 2012 spec , BBC![/QUO

So Ferrari nowhere to be seen

[FerrariF60]

[QUOTE=zike;792398]

From Hungary tyres revert to 2012 spec , BBC![/QUO

So Ferrari nowhere to be seen

i dont' think it's 100% 2012 tires; from what i've read is gonna be 2012 structure, BUT with 2013 rubber compound

how well is going to work for US??? no one knows, we're going to have to wait and see


....this is from the article from one post above:

'A return to 2012 tyres, which also featured Kevlar belts, would have been the preferred solution this weekend but there is insufficient time to prepare them given the five-day turnaround from Sunday's race to Friday's first practice session at the Nurburgring. The use of 2012 tyre structures, with 2013 compounds, is likely to come into effect from Hungary at the end of July.'

[Greig]

So can you test new parts at the ydt as long as you dont use the race drivers?

[Dino]

So can you test new parts at the ydt as long as you dont use the race drivers?

If i remember correctly yes.Some Teams use Ydt to test development parts that could then be introduced for the remaining races on the calendar.

[Ferris]

The return to using Kevlar will assist those teams generating a lot of heat into the tyres as the steel belts were what was causing RB and Merc the most trouble due to the energy they were putting into the tyre.

Expect this move to assist them and present greater warm up issues for Ferrari as the steel belt actually assisted us in the warm up process for the rubber and we managed the tyre temps better due to being gentler with the tyre unlike RB and Merc.

FIA and Pirelli look to have handed the title to RB this year.

They should have instead continued with the original 2013 spec rubber, they didn't blow up and this is what all the teams tested with in winter testing this year so no excuses for not being able to run with these tyres.

I think most even handed fans will have had enough now. This is a big joke.

[FA fan]

The return to using Kevlar will assist those teams generating a lot of heat into the tyres as the steel belts were what was causing RB and Merc the most trouble due to the energy they were putting into the tyre.

Expect this move to assist them and present greater warm up issues for Ferrari as the steel belt actually assisted us in the warm up process for the rubber and we managed the tyre temps better due to being gentler with the tyre unlike RB and Merc

FIA and Pirelli look to have handed the title to RB this year

They should have instead continued with the original 2013 spec rubber, they didn't blow up and this is what all the teams tested with in winter testing this year so no excuses for not being able to run with these tyres.
I think most even handed fans will have had enough now. This is a big joke.

Well the problem was that in winter the temperatures were very low,so they didn't have these kinda problems!! Although most teams did complain about sudden degradation from the lap times,that's why testing in hot countries such as bahrain makes more sense!! Anyways your 100% right,the championship is handed to red bull,as it is from Barcelona to silverstone,they have made a big jump in understanding and managing the tyres better in comparison to Ferrari,plus with more testing they will be ahead of us...

[Suzie]

What an absolute mess.

[Senna4Ever]

Pirelli to use Kevlar-belt tyres in Germany

Why to hell should we accept this?
If this sport really goes this way (and I think it is obvious who is controlling that) then maybe it is more funny to build a LPM1 than to get sacked only because we don't have a German Dear-Baby as driver.